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If a file you upload is approved for download, the Forum-Op might arrange for you to receive a bonus. All messages posted to this Forum are preserved indefinitely, until erased by the Forum-Op. Welcome, Sysop, to Careers: Tips and leads for finding a job R ... Read messages W ... Write a message F ... Find messages T ... Teleconference S ... Select a new Forum ? ... Description of this Forum M ... Modify a message E ... Erase a message A ... Approve files (0 waiting) O ... Operations menu Select a letter from this list, or X to exit: flfff Date: Monday, April 6, 1992 2:14pm Forum: Careers From: Vibrantm Msg#: 173744 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: To Start The SIG (3 replies) I am not a career expert but just someone who looks forward to helping moderate a process where people help each other out. Any input, anecdotes, files, suggestions are most welcome! Date: Monday, April 6, 1992 3:39pm Forum: Careers From: Vibrantm Msg#: 173900 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: The Career Doctors' BBS (1 reply) Jeff Altman is the principal in a search firm known as Executive Directions. He and his staff have been good enough to run a free BBS for computer programming and information management professionals for a few years now: 212 279-4855 at 2400 BAUD 212 279-4875 at 9600 BAUD There is a very extensive database of current job listings in many states, as well as a collection of RIME message bases which are not necessarily job related. Jeff can be reached by telephone at 212 594-5775, and his office is near Penn Station. Date: Wednesday, April 8, 1992 9:27am Forum: Careers From: Chictype Msg#: 174960 To: Vibrantm *EXEMPT* Re: Jobsrch.zip File: JOBSRCH.ZIP I think what you are doing here is a very good idea. It is obvious from the e-mail in this SIG that it *HAS* sparked some interest. I send with this message a decent shareware program that helps the user decide on his/her best points for marketing his/her job skills. Be sure to read the README files which indicates how to configure the program. ---------------------------------------------------- Thanks from alleged management for this straight- forward, easy to operate program. It covers most of the basics and is a good way to start focusing on job change and career issues. ---------------------------------------------------- Date: Thursday, May 14, 1992 8:14pm Forum: Careers From: Vibrantm Msg#: 194299 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: Professional Advice for Job Sers (2 replies) This is an advice bulletin issued today by Robert Half, a large and reputable professional search operation operating internationally: ________________________________________________________________________ COMTEX (14-MAY-1992) WORLDWIDE JOB RECRUITER, ROBERT HALF INT'L OFFERS OPTIMISM AND TIMELY JOB TIPS MENLO PARK, CA (MAY 14) PR NEWSWIRE - While recent reports indicate the job outlook for this year's college graduates is the worst seen in the last 20 years, author and colum-nist Robert Half, founder of Robert Half International, offered some hope and practical advice for first-time job seekers. "Given the current job market, the 'Class of '92' must become sophi -ticated self-marketers -- perhaps more so than any crop of graduates in recent years," advised Half. "Similar to the sales approach for a new product, this requires excellent one-on-one communications skills and enthusiasm -- which can be developed." Half said that flexibility is now more critical than ever. "College graduates may have to invest in relocating to where the opportunities are. While that could cost $2,000-$3,000, job candidates should keep in mind that their investment to date in tuition has probably ranged between $20,000-$100,000 for the past four years. In addition, they may have to accept a position for slightly lower pay than anticipated. "The current job climate could mean that now more than ever, a graduate's first job may have to be a temporary one." That may be a plus, according to Half. "Through temporary work, a job candidate gets introduced to a prospective full-time position, and can buy time until the right opportunity comes along." Half provides these additional tips for job-seekers: -- Follow the opportunities. Investigate geographic markets and industries that are experiencing growth. For example, export manufacturers; businesses in the Midwest; the Pacific Northwest and parts of Texas; and com-panies in the fields of health care and information systems. -- Prepare several resumes. They should all be factual, but vary by the positions being applied for, and highlight skills applicable to each. -- Consider smaller firms. Gone are the days when Fortune 500 firms were the only way to start one's career. Industry reports indicate a decline in hiring among companies with more than 1,000 employees, with the bulk of new jobs being created in firms with fewer than 20 employees. Half also advises candidates not to ignore resume and interview "basics": -- Play up leadership and communications skills. No employer will expect you to have a wealth of experience on your resume. But these skills are always in demand, and can be demonstrated at this early point in your career. -- This is no time for a sloppy resume.A recent submission to Half's "Resumania" column in National Business Employment Weekly, illustrates the point: "Excellent memory; strong math skills; excellent memory; and good at math." -- One of the biggest mistakes job applicants make is what they don't do -- ask for the job. This means demonstrating genuine enthusiasm, offering to work hard and promising not to let the employer down. Half writes career advice columns for National Business Employment Weekly, the New Accountant and Management Accounting.Robert Half International, through its Robert Half and Accountemps divis- ions, is the world's largest permanent and temporary personnel service for accounting, finance and information systems. The company has 150 offices in the United States, Canada, the United Kingdom and Europe. CONTACT: Lynn Taylor, 415-854-9700; or Marc Silbert, 516-- 767-3700, both of Robert Half International Date: Thursday, May 14, 1992 9:10pm Forum: Careers From: Vibrantm Msg#: 194335 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: Astute advice from an Employer (2 replies) Fellow named Weinstein occasionally contributes salty but absolutely right on advice to job seekers who read the RIME networked conferences. This is a really good example: _____________________________________________________ PUBLIC Message from BARRY WEINSTEIN to DAVID LUNDEEN. Source: The Red Phone Informatio; Conference 74 (JOBS-P); Message No. 4763 Time Stamp: 05-07-92 21:14 Subject: JOB DL}In this message you state that you receive about 400 messages each DL}time you advertise for management or supervisory positions. What DL}makes a resume or marketing letter stand out in a crowd? Nothing like starting out with the easy questions . I suppose that there are as many answers to this as there are people reading your resume. I have read many of the books and articles on the "proper" way to send a standout resume and my viewpoint is that they are all B.S. In the past I have posted some of the humorous and some of the horror story resumes I have seen (one was 120 pages long and contained tabs to separate the various phases of the candidates life). I don't look for a resume to stand out before I read it. ie: brightly colored paper, extra heavy 30# paper, color print, fancy typeset, plastic binder, etc. I'm not impressed by how much a candidate spends to send a high quality resume, I'd rather be impressed by the content. DL}Is it o.k. to send a resume on high quality paper printed on a (very DL}good) NLQ printer, or must it be typeset? Any printer is good as long as the type isn't grainy (hard to read), the ribbon isn't worn out and ghostwriting (hard to read), your information should not be done in compressed mode (hard to read), and you shouldn't try to shrink your margins and top and bottom to accommodate a few more lines of text (hard to read). I think maybe you get the point by now. If a resume is hard to read, I don't read it. DL}How long should the resume be? Is two and a half pages too much? At one time, I might have told you it's OK, but not anymore. Obviously in today's job market everyone reading resumes is in the same situation I am in, they are inundated every time there is an opening. Unfortunately for you, the candidate, it is a catch 22 situation, the more resumes I go through the less time I am inclined to spend carefully reading them. Based on this, you would think that the first resumes received by the company get the most attention, this is true, but by the time I get through number 500 I surely don't remember number one. One page, as hard as it is to do, may be your best chance of making an impression. I always used to say, about my own resume, "I can't possibly list all of my twenty two years of accomplishments and experience on one page." The key is DON'T. List your most recent applicable experience and make it interesting enough for the interviewer to want more. You can discuss your accomplishments and experience in an interview, but you have to get the interview. I was trying to assist an acquaintance in finding a job last year. I read his resume and cover letter and offered some criticism and observations. First of all the resume was too long and very cramped. Secondly, it contained my number one "NO NO" misspelled words. Thirdly, it was copied on a xerox copier with a dirty glass and had all of those wonderful dots that make it look like the dirty jokes that always get secretly passed around the office. Last, it didn't list any really important information as to the individual's accomplishments or education. After I offered my observations, he said "Don't worry about it, I'll tell them everything they want to know at the interview." I couldn't convince him that there probably wouldn't be a chance of an interview. Let me touch, again, on a sore spot as far as I'm concerned; Misspelled Words. The last time I posted a commentary on misspelled words in this echo, it started a two month war. People called me names and said I was an idiot for putting so much emphasis on spelling. My own wife asked me if I was looking for a supervisor or someone to write the Great American Novel. What I AM looking for, is someone who cares enough to take the time to thoroughly examine their resume and send me something that is representative of the type of work I can expect. Your resume represents YOU, it is the only thing an interviewer sees or knows about you. If it is unkempt, misspelled, cluttered, wrinkled, erased or has white-out all over it, etc. it represents you to the interviewer. DL}What are you looking for in the cover letter that stands out? To me, This is the key. Resumes don't always get read, cover letters usually do. I have spent years perfecting my cover letter, my resume is almost an attachment. A good cover letter will grab the interviewer's attention and hopefully make him want to seek more information from your resume and then from an interview. Try to avoid the usual trite cliche ridden cover letter that most people use because they feel it is obligatory to sent something with their resume. You are better off sending nothing, instead of the famous two paragraphs that say you saw the ad and just knew it was a perfect match to your skills. (I say two paragraphs because that is what I usually see. Two paragraphs of drivel using the largest words one can find in Websters Unabridged, to say absolutely nothing.) If I have to wade through an entire page of bullshit to find that the individual has said absolutely nothing, I don't read the resume. Make your cover letter count. Briefly tell of your most current/recent employment, your strongest skill or skills, and don't just say "this job is a perfect match for my experience," but tell them WHY! I'll end this small book at this point, you're probably bored half to death by now (if you haven't already hit the twit filter key). If anyone is interested in the next installment, I'll tell you everything I HATE to see in a cover letter or resume, the total turn offs. I'm going to go back through my archives of horrible resumes and post portions of each. --- ~ SLMR 2.1a ~ ROBONAP--Sleeps for you while online! PCRelay:STINGRAY -> #546 RelayNet (tm) 4.11 STINGRAY BBS * Lansdale, PA * 215-368-9662 * Date: Tuesday, June 9, 1992 11:24am Forum: Careers From: Vibrantm Msg#: 204642 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: Short List of Jobs BBS's This information came over the RIME network recently: Time Stamp: 06-05-92 11:54 Subject: employment BBS list Employment BBS'es List How about the following: Federal Job Information Center (313)226-4423 BBS CCC IEEE Employment Database (508)263-3857 BBS Census Bureau Personnel Div. (301)763-4574 BBS JOBBS (404)992-8937 BBS Society for Technical Comm. (703)522-3299 BBS Jobs-On-Line (415)324-3780 BBS Date: Tuesday, June 9, 1992 11:25am Forum: Careers From: Vibrantm Msg#: 204643 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: Details on an Employment BBS This BBS description originated in a RIME jobs conference: Time Stamp: 06-04-92 15:54 Subject: MIS & Software jobs open For those of you in the MIS and Software Engineering fields, here is an excellent resource to help you in your job search. The jobs listed require at least 1 yr work experience though. Free JOB LISTINGS ONLINE for MIS, Data Processing, and SW En- gineering. Career Systems Online 413 592 9208 N-8-1 HST Positions available all over the United States 24 hours a day No cost or obligation at all Member NAPC fax 413 592 9255. Date: Friday, December 11, 1992 10:09am Forum: Careers From: Vibrantm Msg#: 271167 To: Lythande *EXEMPT* Re: Career Doctors BBS - Free Job Listings in NYC (Reply to #269467, Reply to #268738, Reply to #265308, R*) (1 reply) The Career Doctors BBS is a three line board provided free of charge by an experienced search professional named Jeff Altman. 212 279-4875 for 9600 BAUD access 212 279-4855 for 2400 BAUD access Jeff Altman Executive Directions 2 Penn Plaza Suite 1185 New York, NY 10121 212 594-5775 voice 212 594-4183 fax Date: Friday, January 1, 1993 10:48pm Forum: Careers From: Vibrantm Msg#: 281476 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: Ported from Careers . . . (Copy by Lythande) (2 replies) Career Advice from the Internet; not my authorship| --------------------------------------------------- Tired of your boring, dead-end job? Why not enter the fast-growing field of PIZZA REPAIR! Thousands of pizzas are prepared incorrectly every single day--and experts predict that four hundred million pizzas will be baked with the wrong ingredients by the end of the decade. And, if you are one of the select few who know the secrets of pizza repair, that means BIG BUCKS for you! You'll learn how to Remove unwanted pepperonis! Pick off mushrooms! Add anchovies! Repaint pepperonis to make them look like Canadian bacon! Take those anchovies off again! Filter sausage bits out of the cheese! Staple pineapple directly to the crust so it looks just like it was baked on! Take off the rest of the mushrooms! And, you'll learn how to remove the following bits of foreign material that were accidentally baked into the pizza: Hair Hairnets Dentures Jewelry Rodents Hash Browns Spiders Ice Cream (a toughie) Spatulas Nail Clippings Coast Guards Pom-Poms Best of all, thanks to the Columbia School of Pizza Repair, you can learn all about this rapidly-growing field in your own home! We'll mail you a different pizza each week and, if you're not entirely satisfied, you can fix it yourself! So, send us $575.35 (plus $6.50 postage and handling) and two box tops from any General Mills cereal and enter the lucrative world of pizza repair today! Remember: that's $575.35 (plus $6.50 postage and handling) and two box tops from any General Mills cereal to: The Columbia School of Pizza Repair (Not affiliated with anybody) 3270 Cherryridge Road Englewood, CO 80110 Date: Monday, February 22, 1993 9:01am Forum: Careers From: Jesse Msg#: 315585 To: QuinSis *EXEMPT* Re: Anyone can do it if they REALLY want to (Copy by Lythande, Reply to #314287, Reply to #313693, R*) QU>I know I am....Where can I buy a life like this one? :) QU> QuinSis Study hard in school. Work hard when you get a job. Do more than is expected of you. If you start at 9AM get in at 8:30AM. Respect others. Be honest in your dealings with others - business integrity is paramount. Lead a moral life. Dont get discouraged when besit by obstacles - they are only opportunites in disguise. Anyone can do it, if they REALLY want to. That's the key - you have to want it. Date: Tuesday, April 5, 1994 9:06am Forum: Careers From: Odie Msg#: 465952 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: JOB SEARCH (Copy by Lythande, Reply to #462055) (2 replies) Saw this recently on a local bulletin board and thought you Might be interested in it, it has to do with JOBS Call 407-296-0428 using your modem (8/N/1) The passwords you will need are Demo and Demo (they ask for two passwords, and its the same for each, DEMO) I haven't tried it, but the guy who posted it said that you get a resume to fill out and that employers are accessing this thing. He claims he got an interview within a week of posting and a job less than two weeks after posting. I have no idea what job he has though. Figure for the price of a long distance call,it just might be worth it. Good Luck Date: Tuesday, April 12, 1994 3:29pm Forum: Careers From: Odie Msg#: 468056 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: Fed Jobs (1 reply) I know someone might want a federal job, so I dug out some info there is a FED BBS. It lists the Federal jobs available. Problem is , its a real dog to get onto. The number is 313-226-4423. Good luck. I tried off an on all day today (just to check it out, but line is always busy). Date: Wednesday, April 13, 1994 9:29am Forum: Careers From: Odie Msg#: 468212 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: all.zip File: ALL.ZIP The posting from Yesterday about the Fed BBS, well I got on, (finally) and downloaded the latest listing they had there, so here it is attached (hope this upload works) Date: Thursday, April 28, 1994 12:29am Forum: Careers From: Vibrantm Msg#: 473652 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: JOBSBBS.TXT File: JOBSBBS.TXT (1 reply) This is a lengthy text file with a number of career related BBS telephone numbers and descriptions. Date: Wednesday, June 8, 1994 8:24am Forum: Careers From: Odie Msg#: 485661 To: Kayla *EXEMPT* Re: Fed Jobs (Reply to #478235, Reply to #477911, Reply to #470387, R*) Ill try and do what I can ok. In the mean time, there is another board that I found out about, I am going to post info in a seperate message, but the phone number is 703-321-8020. Also, the local voce number to find out about government jobs is 212-264-0422 ( its in Manhatten) good luck :) Date: Wednesday, June 8, 1994 8:27am Forum: Careers From: Odie Msg#: 485663 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: FedWord (1 reply) There is another federal bulletin board service. The number is 703-321-8020 (same set ups 8/N/1) This number, and I haven't completely explored it yet, is more diverse than the one listed for Fedjobs. This board has info on jobs, but also a lot of other things. As far as I can determine, there are at least 37 lines to it. Give it a call and check it out. I checked it briefly this morning, and it seems very good. Oh, its also ANSI etc... much better with regard to file downloading too . Hope this helps Date: Friday, June 24, 1994 11:11am Forum: Careers From: Odie Msg#: 490908 To: Kayla *EXEMPT* Re: FedWord (Reply to #485738, Reply to #485663) (1 reply) Well, I did find out that FEDWORD can be accessed on the Internet use the telnet command as follows Telnet to: fedworld.gov (192.239.92.201) Hope that helps ya. oh, and btw, there is a technical help desk if you have problems. Phone is 703-487-4608 10am to 4pm weekdays. Sorry I dont have much luck finding 800 number items. Oh, to save you sometime, here is a list of FEDWORLD Online systems ALF (USDA) National Agricultural Library BBS ALIX (LC) Automated Library Information Exchange BOM_BBN Bureau of Mines Bulletin Board Network ISM-SIS ISM Information System CIC-BBS Consumer Information Center CLU-IN Superfund Data and Information CPO-BBS Lists open Jobs at the census Dept. ADA-BBS American With Disabilities Act Info Comp Sec. Computer System Lab Computer Security BBS DCBBS DC Government information DMIE NIST/CSL Data Management Info EBB Economic data and Information ELISA DOD Export License Tracking System GSA/IRM Information Resources Management Issues EPUB Energy information and data FDA'sBBS FDA Info and policies FDA/DMSS PMA, IDE, 510k & guidance FERC-CIPS Fed Energy Regulatory Commission FEBBS FHWA Information and Data VA Vendor Learn about business opps with the VA Federal BBS GPO And Government data OSS-BBS GSA on-line scheduling system Eximbank Export-Import Bank info Jag-net Navy Judge advocate general Labor News Department of Labor Information files Megawatt Information on energy and DoE NADAP(USN) Navy Drug and Alcohol abuse prevention RIBBS US Postal Service Rapid information EHSC-DDS Army Engineering and housing NDB-BBS Human Nutrition Information Service NSSDC\NASA NASA Nodis locator system 1040 BBS Electronic tax filing information SBB-BB Surety Bond Branch circular 570 OIS US Bureau of Prison employees SBIR-BBS NASA small business inovation research WTIE-BBS Wastewater Treatment Info Exchange QED-BBS Quake Epicenter Determ and EQ DAta SALEMDUG State and local FEMA User groups SBA on Line SBA information and data for job info you would access Labor news hope it all helps john Date: Friday, June 24, 1994 11:38am Forum: Careers From: Odie Msg#: 490917 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: govtbbs.zip File: GOVTBBS.ZIP (1 reply) ok, here is a file that describes everything on Fedworld BBS it also lists the direct numbers to federal bbs services. hope someone can make use of the info on that bbs, especially the job info. Date: Monday, August 1, 1994 10:47am Forum: Careers From: Atha Msg#: 504067 To: Msreality *EXEMPT* Re: Metro Net (Reply to #503974, Reply to #503871, Reply to #503258) (1 reply) the Metro Net number? Sure. It's 852 3265. they have about 5 employment areas, including one which lets you post your resume for NYC users. See, I'm a creative. I invented the concept of putting reflectors onto a badge. Last year I got my own designs heat-stamped onto reflective material, and I make these badges in various designs, various colors. See, I'm good at creation of the product. I'm bad at marketing it. You said the same basic methods are used to market almost anything. What are those methods? Date: Tuesday, September 6, 1994 9:35pm Forum: Careers From: Indranie Msg#: 512855 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: . TEN CRITICAL ATTRIBUTES HIRING MANAGERS LOOK FOR Company recruiters prefer to hire candidates who take the following 10 steps before and during interviews. Perform all 10, and your job search won't last long. Display these traits in interviews to secure an offer. 1) Show that you meet and exceed the position's requirements. Lengthy resumes make for dull reading, if they're read at all. By describing all of the job responsibilities you've held in your past three positions, you'll diminish your resume's impact. 2) Explain the successes you've achieved in previous positions. There isn't a more objective and reliable indicator of future success than past performance. A sound employment history is demonstrated by career progression, excellent evaluations and solid references. 3) Show that you'll fit the company and its image. Personnel managers will assess your personality, character and traits (including your age and appearance, despite the discriminatory nature of such a review) in terms of the image their companies wish to maintain or establish. 4) Explain how you can help boost the bottom line. Before personnel managers begin the screening process, they outline critical skills and key personal strengths they feel would ensure a candidate's success. 5) Do your homework before each meeting. Never risk alienating a prospective employer by applying for a job for which you're not qualified or that isn't a good match for your background. Begin your efforts by researching likely employers in your local library. 6) Express your career goals and interests. Goal-oriented employees are highly motivated and possess the drive and determination it takes to succeed. That's why personnel administrators seek focused, enthusiastic candidates. If the position you seek isn't a sound career choice, you won't receive serious consideration. 7) Show that you're a sound decision-maker. Personnel managers seek candidates with good judgment and an aptitude for decision-making under pressure. Personality excesses, quirks or rigidities often interfere with that ability. One serious deficiency in your character may exclude you from consideration. 8) If you have leadership qualities, display them. Top-notch managers gain respect for their ability to plan, coordinate and make effective decisions, but what really counts is their capacity to see the big picture. They possess the fundamental skill to look beyond their own needs and consider how their activities affect others. 9) Display confidence and composure. If you really believe in yourself and your ability to function effectively in the job you're seeking, interviewers will feel it, too. Confidence is contagious, but don't oversell yourself. Conduct your interviews in a composed, confident manner to confirm their appraisal. 10) Create a rapport with interviewers. "Developing chemistry" is often cited as a key ingredient in the search process. "I really liked Bill or Linda" is a key statement you want interviewers to say when you leave. If that statement isn't followed by a "but" which refers to a deficiency, you'll probably get the job. Date: Tuesday, September 6, 1994 9:37pm Forum: Careers From: Indranie Msg#: 512856 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: Career Tips (2) (2 replies) STRATEGIES FOR COPING WITH A DIFFICULT BOSS Every company has its share of bad bosses. At some point in your career, expect to toil under the reins of a boss who is indecisive, uncommunicative or otherwise managerially flawed. The trick to surviving under this leadership is to learn how to manage your boss so the flaws don't show--or at least don't sink your career. Managers tend to trust people they like and admire, so you'll benefit from treating your superior as you expect to be treated when you're the boss. That will help you earn the respect you desire and gain your boss's trust. The following five steps will help improve your relationship: 1. Learn your manager's interests. Others, whether bosses or associates, are more interested in themselves than they are in you. Study subjects that concern your boss and routinely talk about them. 2. Ask questions that your boss will enjoy answering. For instance, if your manager is an avid sailor, learn about sailing and ask pertinent questions when the subject arises. 3. Be a good listener. Encourage others to talk about themselves. Don't interrupt or finish their sentences. Hear people out before starting to formulate a reply. Concentrate on analyzing and interpreting what they say. Maintain eye contact; it shows you're interested in what's being said. 4. Try to make your boss feel important. You don't need to give unearned flattery. Just express honest admiration of real accomplishments. 5. Expect the best. When dealing with a difficult superior, always act as though you expect the best from him or her. By calmly refusing to accept irritating traits as normal behavior, you create a pleasing picture in the boss's mind of how he or she is perceived. In the end, your boss is likely to try to live up to that image. Conversely, if you act as if you expect the worst, your manager may will oblige with negative behavior. Date: Tuesday, September 13, 1994 10:43pm Forum: Careers From: Slope Hope Msg#: 514160 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: Any PC Trainers out there? (2 replies) If you are looking for full time or per diem work, and you are have the skills and inclination to be a PC application trainer, then send a resume and cover letter to: Ms. Ellen Flotteron Director of Training Productivity Point International 19 West 44th Street, 17th floor New York, NY 10036 (fax to Ellen at 212-840-2894) The job involves teaching major word processors, spreadsheets, databases, graphics, and technical topics to corporate personnel, Fortune 500 clients, at PPI's training sites in NYC, NJ and LI as well as at the client locations throughout the area. Windows applications are particularly important. You must be professional, dependable, flexible and have solid presentation skills. If you have specific questions about careers in training, or PPI, etc, send me an e-mail. Chris Date: Thursday, September 15, 1994 7:35am Forum: Careers From: Indranie Msg#: 514349 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: Career Tips 3 TEN POLITICAL PRINCIPLES Whether your career is at the starting gate or near the finish line, the following 10 principles will apply in nearly every organization. 1. Your work is a commodity. It will have value only if it benefits someone else. Most of use have such pride in what we do that it's incomprehensible that others may not fully appreciate our efforts. If you view your job as providing value to others in your organization, you'll develop an appreciation of what is truly important in your job and what isn't. 2. The value of your efforts is always defined by others. Unless you anticipate how others will define the value of your efforts, you gamble your time, resources and sometimes your career. Before you initiate your next major project, decide how your clients will be most influenced by your efforts and ask what would be most useful to them in your project. 3. Myth: You are chosen for your assignment because you are wonderful. The truth is you posed less risk than the other candidates. The bottom line in most promotion and hiring decisions is that the person selected was deemed as able to produce results more consistently and predictably than the other available candidates. 4. Make your boss a hero. Self-help books are filled with chapters on how to influence or manage your boss. If you were better than your boss, you would be the boss. His (or her) job is entirely different from yours and his perspective is bigger. Bosses are far from perfect, but part of your job is to acknowledge the frailty of the human condition and support your boss whenever possible. 5. Make your subordinates heroes. If you worry about the best interests of your boss and your subordinates, they will take care of you. And your job is straightforward--to make them as good as they can be within their potential. If a subordinate has busted a gut on a project, ask your boss to drop by and mention what a wonderful report it was. The more you make your people heroes, the more committed they'll be to work. 6. For a great victory, give yourself 10% credit. No great achievement was ever accomplished individually. If your group scores a coup, give 90% of the credit to everyone else. Remember, all working relationships are based on trading value back and forth--the tit-for-tat phenomenon. If you give a subordinate praise, he'll reciprocate by responding to the praise and continue to work hard. 7. Conflicts reveal a greater truth than agreement. There are good reasons why the terms "yes men" and "rubber stamp" have pejorative connotations. Yet when we present our brilliant idea, any opposition is threatening. All too often, we avoid conflict rather than accept what it really represents--another aspect of the larger truth. In any committee, there are the quiet ones who don't offer comments on a proposal. If you draw these people out, you create the ingredients of a potentially richer solution. 8. Tolerate the frailties and inconsistencies of your organization. Everyone expects an organization to be predictable, consistent and always fair. That's nonsense. Part of growing up is to recognize that organizations have inconsistencies, that they'll occasionally be unfair. You have to be tolerant of this and maintain your sense of humor. 9. The most significant events in your career will be those that force you to change. Instinctively, everybody resists change in every conceivable way as they get older. That's why it's usually the whiz kids who come up with the big successes--they capitalize where the more experienced fear to venture. 10. Don't look back. What you design and produce today with such care and love will be completely dismantled and rebuilt by your successor. Savor your successes, but let them stay in the past. Accept that as you grow, others will change the basis of your recognition and prestige. Date: Monday, March 13, 1995 3:28pm Forum: Careers From: Odie Msg#: 572956 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: NY.TXT File: NY.TXT (Fw by Sysop) (1 reply) need a job, here is a list of government jobs in NY Date: Monday, March 13, 1995 3:33pm Forum: Careers From: Odie Msg#: 572960 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: howto.txt File: HOWTO.TXT (Fw by Sysop) Need to know how to apply for those govenment jobs? D/L this file Odie Date: Monday, March 13, 1995 3:34pm Forum: Careers From: Odie Msg#: 572961 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: jobapp.txt File: JOBAPP.TXT (Fw by Sysop) now that you know HOW to apply for the job, and Where to apply, you need the FORM to apply right?? well here it is :) Odie Date: Monday, March 20, 1995 1:57pm Forum: Careers From: Odie Msg#: 575685 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: EMPBBS04.TXT File: EMPBBS04.TXT (1 reply) Here is a list of BBS's to search for jobs on, or post resumes on Found it in a very unlikely place, the bulletin board for the US Robotics Company. Date: Monday, March 20, 1995 3:57pm Forum: Careers From: Odie Msg#: 575697 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: JOBHUNT.TXT File: JOBHUNT.TXT attached is some information I gathered from the Internet, from a board where hundreds of companies can access (anyone with Internet access can browse resumes here). I hope this can help someone. Postings if sent by e-mail are free, if sent by snail mail its ten bucks. d/l the file for more info. Date: Friday, July 21, 1995 11:14am Forum: Careers From: Indranie Msg#: 617615 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: Job-Hunting (Copy by Lythande) (1 reply) A great resource when job-hunting is 'The Hoover's Handbook'. You can find it at your local library or GO HOOVER on CompuServe. The Hoover's Company Database, provided by the Reference Press Inc., is a leading provider of business information to the mass market. The database is comprised of "Company Profiles" and "Company Capsules." The Company Profiles contain detailed company information while the Company Capsules contain a brief synopsis of the company (Name, Address, CEO/CFO, etc...) The Hoover's Company Database is ideal for executives, investors, career changers, salespeople, consumers, and scholars - anyone with a need to know about both US and foreign public and private companies, from Abbott Labs to Zenith Electronics, Cargill to Virgin Group, and Airbus to Yamaha. For more information about The Reference Press, Inc., call or write at: 1-800-486-8666 The Reference Press 6448 Highway 290 E, Suite E-104 Austin, Texas 78723 Phone: (512) 454-7778 Fax: (512) 454-9401 CompuServe mail: 76711,1211 Hope this helps..... Date: Monday, October 23, 1995 9:08pm Forum: Careers From: Faz Msg#: 646483 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: resumes (1 reply) Just a reminder on the type of resumes that are capable of being written. Entry Level Chronological Functional Professional Entry level is self explanatory. good for those with limited job experience or if you are new to the job market. Chronological is usually used to highlight your accomplishments in of course, chronological order. These types of resumes are suited for management positions. Functional is good for eduactors or those at administrative level. These people usually have Job experience in several areas and need to present this material in a cohesive fashion, tying all the differnt positions together. Last but not least is professional. im not talking about a "professional" looking resume. Im speaking of the type of person whose Educational background and Accreditation is of primary importance to the type of job they are looking for. usually this is for higher level people or those who have exceptional educational credentials such as PhD or even someone who was in charge of a highly specialized type of job. If anyone ever has questions on how to present material on a resume just ask. I started off with a so so resume but ive almost (note almost heheh) gotten it down to the point that wherever i sent my resume i got a call. i had no special credentials or exceptional education, but i knew what the interviewer and personnel director wanted :the truth put in the most concise and exact fashion to the point where they could glance at it and say "schedule him for an interview". Remember above all, never over or understate your accomplishments. Sell yourself, after all you alone are your greatest asset! Happy Hunting, FAZ! Date: Wednesday, October 25, 1995 7:06pm Forum: Careers From: Faz Msg#: 647241 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: another tip. (1 reply) prior to getting the job and signing the papers, make sure they got what you want, or what they PROMISED you is written in black and white. things like Tuition reimbursement, and 156a programs usually have alot of fine print and its better you have an understanding of what you are getting before you sign with a company. I ha dhtis problem, i was promised that my bonus would be tied to my performance (of course) but i didnt remember( or was i told?) that the entire finance desks performance would be avged and i would get the lower of the two! now when youve put in a good yr, someone who dragged their ass all yr would bring down my bonus! well live and learn i guess :) but as with any company make sure that they can deliver on what they say, cause these perks are sometimes a big reason that people take a job with a particular company. Date: Thursday, October 26, 1995 12:10am Forum: Careers From: Faz Msg#: 647294 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: the pursuit of financial freedon... :) (2 replies) hello all, Its been like almost a yr ive been working on my own. Anyone else out there want to share their experiences of how its been for them being their own boss? Ive had my ups and downs, but all in all ive really been enjoying it. No answering to anyone, no unpaid overtime, no working with screwups who make you do the work and then take credit for it.....total freedom with accountability to no one. :) I am small by comparison to most other companies, only have two employees, but thats because i usually have to hire temps and such when the need arises(or guys who work in other companies who are looking for a few bucks off the books,heheehe). So please feel free to share your success/failures with me and everyone else here. As with any entreprenurial excursion, better to have tried and failed than to have never tried at all. Date: Friday, November 24, 1995 11:56pm Forum: Careers From: Faz Msg#: 654407 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: a little note...... (1 reply) As a person who has to read resume after resume that get spammed to my fax machine i have noticed something that makes me laugh to no end. Some people NEVER check their final draft of their resume or cover letter for typos or even simple grammatical syntax. Things like this are not forgotten easily, especiall when some people state in the resume how accurate they are(accurate being spelled acurrate!!). Above all, never forget before you send your correspondence out to a potential employer, or even a colleague, have it perused by a friend or someone else. they can be objective and pick up on something that you missed entirely. I once had a guy who graduated from Columbia send me a fax and cover letter that all totalled about 5 typos,50% passive structure, and endless "I this" and "I that". Remember, this is not just a piece of paper, it is your KEY to even getting an interview, and some people blow it right off the bat. Date: Sunday, March 31, 1996 12:18pm Forum: Careers From: Moonster Msg#: 690346 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: Nursing (1 reply) I'm interested to see if any one knows of a part time nursing position for an LPN who hasn't done much nursing these days. I passed by state (NY) boards on the very first try, which is a good sign that I really did learn something in nursing school. I think I've retained much of the things they taught us, but you know what they say about out of sight out of mind. That's why I'm wondering about getting a job in nursing again...on a part time basis because I've got a great job right now. I'm just feeling a little guilty about not practicing what I worked so hard studying. All replies are welcome. Thanx all! Minnie Date: Tuesday, April 23, 1996 3:17pm Forum: Careers From: Erica Msg#: 697644 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: Here's my resume in WP 6.1 format File: RESUME.WPD For obvious reasons I deleted some information from my resume. So I do not have my address and phone number in here. This mainly is a history of where I worked and education I've had. Not all the places I've worked or freelanced are listed. Date: Tuesday, April 23, 1996 3:19pm Forum: Careers From: Erica Msg#: 697645 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: Here's my resume in Ascii format File: ERESUME.WPD Again this doesn't have my phone number or address in it and doesn't list everywhere I worked or did freelance work at or even volunteer work. Date: Wednesday, April 24, 1996 9:51am Forum: Careers From: Vibrantm Msg#: 698094 To: Erica *EXEMPT* Re: Good Start for Erica's Resume (Reply to #697871, Reply to #697826, Reply to #697584, R*) (2 replies) ER>Well there are two messages here with my resume attached to them one ER>with WP 6.1 and the other in Ascii format. Right. I have downloaded them and have had a look. I encourage other Forum members to read the resume and provide comments and suggestions to help, and especially to steer Erica to any opportunities they might know of. One idea I have right now - there is no specific "Career Objective" anywhere on the resume. A second thought - leave the references, telephone numbers, and names of supervisors for a separate document dealing with references when asked for by prospective employers. Use the space freed up to expand on the descriptions of the jobs. What I mean is that it is good to tell what the jobs involved but there is room for specific accomplishments on these jobs, things done which tell people you are better than the average worker. Date: Sunday, June 16, 1996 11:56pm Forum: Careers From: Robin Msg#: 709239 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: Job-hunting As one who's spent many hours job hunting, I can safely say that this is the worst climate ever for finding work, and unfortunately, mangerial knows it. If anyone else out there is in the technical field, perhaps they'll recognize some of these problems. 1: You get turned down for being over qualified. 2: You get turned down because even though they insisted on the phone that "XXX" wasn't required, they now suggest that they want someone competent in "XXX". 3: The person interviewing you fears that due to your expertise and experience, you could be a threat to them in the future. 4: Despite 3, they want you to know more than God and ask questions that are impossible to know. (I went on an interview where I was questioned about Novell, for the interview, I memorized the titles, version #'s, menus, sub-menu's, and description lines of those sub-menus. The interviewer was floored that I could answer everything in depth. In the end they hired someone else who was asking for a lower salary). 5: They expect you to work for peanuts. I used to make $60,000 a year. Now I'm lucky if I get an interview where they pay $30,000. It's incredible the number of incompetemt people out there who'e managed to work their way into management It's incredible the number of people out there who've managed to work thi Date: Sunday, November 17, 1996 10:56pm Forum: Careers From: Conundrum Msg#: 723094 To: Faz Re: To Start The SIG (Reply to #717155, Reply to #716689, Reply to #715722, R*) (1 reply) FA>good stuff......they do sort of think they are an entity unto FA>themselves...sort of like many of the useless federal agencies we FA>support. but i digress. How much room are they going to give you to put FA>stuff into this site? is there a limit? Dorsai's standard is that of your home directory's 5 megs, you can use as much as you want for web space, though you can't access your web space directly (you use a program to transfer stuff into the web area of your home directory). Of course, if you need more than 5 megs, and can justify it, they'll probably give you more. Date: Monday, November 25, 1996 12:34am Forum: Careers From: Faz Msg#: 723367 To: Conundrum Re: To Start The SIG (Reply to #723094, Reply to #717155, Reply to #716689, R*) (1 reply) CO>Dorsai's standard is that of your home directory's 5 megs, you can use CO>as much as you want for web space, though you can't access your web CO>space directly (you use a program to transfer stuff into the web area of CO>your home directory). CO> Of course, if you need more than 5 megs, and can justify it, CO>they'll probably give you more. sounds fair enough.:) what of the pricing? Date: Tuesday, November 26, 1996 9:06am Forum: Careers From: Kkid Msg#: 723419 To: Faz Re: To Start The SIG (Reply to #723367, Reply to #723094, Reply to #717155, R*) (2 replies) FA>CO>Dorsai's standard is that of your home directory's 5 megs, you can use FA>CO>as much as you want for web space, though you can't access your web FA>CO>space directly (you use a program to transfer stuff into the web area of FA>CO>your home directory). FA>CO> Of course, if you need more than 5 megs, and can justify it, FA>CO>they'll probably give you more. FA>sounds fair enough.:) what of the pricing? At this point it's $125 for the year. That is unlimited access more or less. Bye more or less I mean that although they do have a limit per day that they'd like you to stick by they have not in the past number of year ever enforced it. Every once in a while if someone is on for over a 4 hour stretch they may be asked why they are on so long. Never happened to me yet :-) Date: Sunday, December 1, 1996 9:33pm Forum: Careers From: Faz Msg#: 723634 To: Kkid Re: To Start The SIG (Reply to #723419, Reply to #723367, Reply to #723094, R*) KK>At this point it's $125 for the year. That is unlimited access more or KK>less. Bye more or less I mean that although they do have a limit per day KK>that they'd like you to stick by they have not in the past number of KK>year ever enforced it. Every once in a while if someone is on for over a KK>4 hour stretch they may be asked why they are on so long. Never happened KK>to me yet :-) that sounds pretty good. :) Ive spent 4 hrs easily just trying to pull stuff from the Net on the Old Testament. :) Sometimes you follow some good leads, sometimes you just find garbage..........i guess the work you do searching is proportionate to the quality of the information you find. :) Date: Monday, March 3, 1997 9:14pm Forum: Careers From: Conundrum Msg#: 730547 To: Kkid Re: To Start The SIG (Reply to #723419, Reply to #723367, Reply to #723094, R*) KK>At this point it's $125 for the year. That is unlimited access more or KK>less. Bye more or less I mean that although they do have a limit per day KK>that they'd like you to stick by they have not in the past number of KK>year ever enforced it. Every once in a while if someone is on for over a KK>4 hour stretch they may be asked why they are on so long. Never happened KK>to me yet :-) It's happened to me, but I've been superaddicted at times (and I also had a certain amount of special dispensation). Also, at the time, idleness wasn't disconnected, while now it fortunately is (so you can't accidentally stay on for 20 hours). Date: Thursday, March 6, 1997 8:58am Forum: Careers From: Kamakazi Munchkin Msg#: 730690 To: ** ALL ** Re: Job (1 reply) Does anyone know of any jobs where they let you work at home? I am currently not working, but looking for something that I can do at home while the baby is sleeping or my husband is home, any ideas or suggestions? Date: Thursday, March 6, 1997 7:11pm Forum: Careers From: Nightbird Msg#: 730699 To: Kamakazi Munchkin Re: Job (Reply to #730690) (1 reply) KM>Does anyone know of any jobs where they let you work at home? I am KM>currently not working, but looking for something that I can do at home KM>while the baby is sleeping or my husband is home, any ideas or KM>suggestions? I know that sometimes you might be able to use your computer to work at home just watch out for some of these stay at home business chances. --- þ OLX 2.1 TD þ It's only a hobby ... only a hobby ... only a Date: Friday, March 7, 1997 9:01am Forum: Careers From: Kamakazi Munchkin Msg#: 730731 To: Nightbird Re: Job (Reply to #730699, Reply to #730690) (1 reply) I know, I tried clling some of the ads and they are the ones that want you to pay money up front before anything, so I told them no thank you, and made up some bullshit excuse before they got any information on me. Date: Friday, March 7, 1997 7:25pm Forum: Careers From: Nightbird Msg#: 730775 To: Kamakazi Munchkin Re: Job (Reply to #730731, Reply to #730699, Reply to #730690) KM>I know, I tried clling some of the ads and they are the ones that want KM>you to pay money up front before anything, so I told them no thank you, KM>and made up some bullshit excuse before they got any information on me. Good for you, they are so full of shit! Good luck! --- þ OLX 2.1 TD þ She's dead Jim. Still warm though. Flip you for her? Date: Friday, March 21, 1997 9:10am Forum: Careers From: Indranie Msg#: 731605 To: ** ALL ** Re: HTML - Java - CGI (Copy by Calvin) (1 reply) Hi My company is looking to hire an HTML programmer. Full-time, part-time or contract - if you're an experience in HTML, some Java and CGI, e-mail me some pages you've created and I will take a look at it and contact you. thanks Indranie Date: Sunday, November 23, 1997 10:26pm Forum: Careers From: Scott Msg#: 742602 To: Indranie Re: HTML - Java - CGI (Reply to #731605, Copy by Calvin) IN>Hi IN>My company is looking to hire an HTML programmer. Full-time, part-time IN>or contract - if you're an experience in HTML, some Java and CGI, e-mail IN>me some pages you've created and I will take a look at it and contact IN>you. IN>thanks IN>Indranie are you still looking? End of list! 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