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Configure your Quickscan Select a Find option (S,L,Q,C,X to exit, or ? for help): l List message in this (F)orum only, in (Q)uickscan: f The listing modes available are: B ... Brief-title (1 line per message) T ... Title (4-line summary of each message) F ... Full-text (summary plus full message text) Select a list mode (B,T,F,X to exit, or ? for help): f Enter message number at which to start listing, F for the first, or ? for help (just press ENTER to start with new messages): f Date: Tuesday, January 29, 1991 11:37pm Forum: Xrated From: Eeg Msg#: 16645 To: Lythande *EXEMPT* Re: The Story File: 16645.ATT (3 replies) One last try: Date: Saturday, February 9, 1991 6:49pm Forum: Xrated From: Mark Msg#: 18978 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: sex.txt File: SEX.TXT (3 replies) Not sure what this is??? Date: Tuesday, February 12, 1991 1:22am Forum: Xrated From: Lastjudge Msg#: 19681 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: intersex.exe File: INTERSEX.EXE (4 replies) This is an IBM compatible game. it is similar to Monopoly Have fun and play it with a loved one. Date: Saturday, March 9, 1991 5:07pm Forum: Xrated From: Drpax Msg#: 24069 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: marie1.txt File: MARIE1.TXT (4 replies) this is the first of six stories of the sexual awakening of a young girl. Date: Saturday, March 9, 1991 5:11pm Forum: Xrated From: Drpax Msg#: 24070 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: marie2.txt File: MARIE2.TXT (1 reply) Second of six parts of the story of the awakening of a young girl. (VERY GOOD) Date: Saturday, March 9, 1991 5:13pm Forum: Xrated From: Drpax Msg#: 24071 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: marie3.txt File: MARIE3.TXT (3 replies) Third of six parts of the story of a young girl's sexual awakening. Date: Saturday, March 9, 1991 5:17pm Forum: Xrated From: Drpax Msg#: 24074 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: marie4.txt File: MARIE4.TXT Fourth of six parts about sexual awakening. Date: Saturday, March 9, 1991 5:21pm Forum: Xrated From: Drpax Msg#: 24076 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: marie5.txt File: MARIE5.TXT Fifth of six txt files of the story of a young girl's awakenings Date: Saturday, March 9, 1991 5:24pm Forum: Xrated From: Drpax Msg#: 24077 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: marie6.txt File: MARIE6.TXT (2 replies) Last of six text files about the awakening of a young girl. Any comments or whatever, please leave me e-mail! Enjoy! Date: Sunday, March 17, 1991 3:59pm Forum: Xrated From: Cool Msg#: 25748 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: susie.txt File: SUSIE.TXT (2 replies) Here is another story for all you lolita lovers. Enjoy. COOL Date: Saturday, March 30, 1991 10:30am Forum: Xrated From: Cool Msg#: 27288 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: brittany.txt File: BRITTANY.TXT (2 replies) Another nice story for all of you that like the "good stuff" ... stay cool Date: Tuesday, April 2, 1991 9:18pm Forum: Xrated From: Cool Msg#: 27870 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: doingdad.txt File: DOINGDAD.TXT (1 reply) Here we go with a story about country life.I can promise, it's interesting whoever likes family sex stories. Stay COOOL Date: Wednesday, April 3, 1991 10:21pm Forum: Xrated From: Cool Msg#: 28054 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: Brittany2.txt File: 28054.ATT (2 replies) Upon request, here commes brittny2.txt Stay COOOL... Date: Wednesday, April 3, 1991 10:27pm Forum: Xrated From: Cool Msg#: 28055 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: Brittany3.txt File: 28055.ATT (1 reply) This one is not in sequence regarding the content (I DL this one a while ago before the others appeard) but it is my personal favor. You'll see soon why. Enjoy. Stay COOOL... Date: Thursday, April 11, 1991 6:24pm Forum: Xrated From: Cool Msg#: 29552 To: Headman *EXEMPT* Re: sexmem1.txt File: SEXMEM1.TXT (Reply to #29475, Reply to #28900, R*) (3 replies) Let's keep those stories rollin' here comes memory1.txt Enjoy..see ya COOL Date: Tuesday, May 7, 1991 6:24pm Forum: Xrated From: Mark Msg#: 33401 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: pussy.cat File: PUSSY.CAT (2 replies) Might be considered bestaility. Date: Tuesday, May 7, 1991 6:26pm Forum: Xrated From: Mark Msg#: 33402 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: sexdream.txt File: SEXDREAM.TXT (1 reply) HEres a short text file I found someplace. Enjoy Date: Sunday, June 30, 1991 7:41pm Forum: Xrated From: Drpax Msg#: 45183 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: widow1.txt File: WIDOW1.TXT Another interesting incest story. (Dr. Pax) Date: Sunday, June 30, 1991 7:43pm Forum: Xrated From: Drpax Msg#: 45185 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: widow2.txt File: WIDOW2.TXT Continuation of widow 1. Incest fantasy (Dr. Pax) Date: Sunday, June 30, 1991 7:45pm Forum: Xrated From: Drpax Msg#: 45187 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: widow3.txt File: WIDOW3.TXT Last of the three. Incest fantasy. (Dr. Pax) Date: Sunday, June 30, 1991 7:56pm Forum: Xrated From: Drpax Msg#: 45199 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: widow4.txt File: WIDOW4.TXT (2 replies) Ooops, I almost forgot--there is more to this one! :) (Dr. Pax) Date: Sunday, June 30, 1991 8:01pm Forum: Xrated From: Drpax Msg#: 45201 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: widow5.txt File: WIDOW5.TXT (1 reply) Ok. This should be the last of the series. (Dr. Pax) Date: Wednesday, July 3, 1991 9:59am Forum: Xrated From: Drpax Msg#: 45806 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: sorority.txt File: SORORITY.TXT (4 replies) Now it can finally be told!! The REAL truth behind those sorority initiations!! :) (Dr. Pax) Date: Tuesday, November 12, 1991 7:08pm Forum: Xrated From: Ton Msg#: 103662 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: BARBARA1.TXT File: BARBARA1.TXT (2 replies) Well written 8 part story Date: Tuesday, November 12, 1991 7:30pm Forum: Xrated From: Ton Msg#: 103682 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: BARBARA2.TXT File: BARBARA2.TXT (1 reply) PART 2 OF 8 Date: Tuesday, November 12, 1991 7:34pm Forum: Xrated From: Ton Msg#: 103687 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: BARBARA3.TXT File: BARBARA3.TXT (1 reply) PART 3 OF 8 Date: Wednesday, November 20, 1991 3:08pm Forum: Xrated From: Ton Msg#: 107814 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: BARBARA4.TXT File: BARBARA4.TXT Here's some more, enjoy Date: Wednesday, November 20, 1991 3:12pm Forum: Xrated From: Ton Msg#: 107815 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: BARBARA5.TXT File: BARBARA5.TXT 5 OF 8 Date: Wednesday, November 20, 1991 3:16pm Forum: Xrated From: Ton Msg#: 107818 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: BARBARA6.TXT File: BARBARA6.TXT 6 OF 8 Date: Wednesday, November 20, 1991 3:20pm Forum: Xrated From: Ton Msg#: 107824 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: BARBARA7.TXT File: BARBARA7.TXT 7 OF 8 Date: Wednesday, November 20, 1991 3:24pm Forum: Xrated From: Ton Msg#: 107826 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: BARBARA8.TXT File: BARBARA8.TXT (1 reply) 8 OF 8 Date: Tuesday, November 26, 1991 2:45am Forum: Xrated From: Headman Msg#: 110200 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: SECGUARD.TXT File: SECGUARD.TXT This is a story I saw on another board. A security guard in a high school is seduced by a freshman girl. - = ]-[ E A D M A N = - Date: Friday, November 29, 1991 6:34am Forum: Xrated From: Headman Msg#: 111638 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: SISSAWIT.TXT File: SISSAWIT.TXT I saw this on Apple House BBS. It is a brother/sister incest story. - = ]-[ E A D M A N = - Date: Saturday, November 30, 1991 3:40pm Forum: Xrated From: Hulkster Msg#: 112477 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: sexhar.txt File: SEXHAR.TXT (1 reply) this document will give those persons the ability to legitimately sexually harrass a male or female with written consent..... Date: Tuesday, December 3, 1991 4:11pm Forum: Xrated From: Michael Msg#: 113756 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: chapter.01 File: CHAPTER.01 (2 replies) This is a well writtestory, quite long (24 chapters) Date: Tuesday, December 3, 1991 4:12pm Forum: Xrated From: Michael Msg#: 113759 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: chapter.02 File: CHAPTER.02 chapter 2 of 24 Date: Tuesday, December 3, 1991 4:14pm Forum: Xrated From: Michael Msg#: 113761 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: chapter.03 File: CHAPTER.03 (1 reply) chapter 3 of 24 Date: Tuesday, December 3, 1991 4:16pm Forum: Xrated From: Michael Msg#: 113764 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: chapter.04 File: CHAPTER.04 chapter 4 of 24 Date: Tuesday, December 3, 1991 4:17pm Forum: Xrated From: Michael Msg#: 113766 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: chapter.05 File: CHAPTER.05 chapter 5 of 24 Date: Tuesday, December 3, 1991 4:37pm Forum: Xrated From: Michael Msg#: 113772 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: chapter.06 File: CHAPTER.06 chapter 6 of 24 Date: Tuesday, December 3, 1991 5:04pm Forum: Xrated From: Michael Msg#: 113778 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: chapter.07 File: CHAPTER.07 (1 reply) chapter 7 of 24 Date: Friday, December 6, 1991 3:20pm Forum: Xrated From: Michael Msg#: 114925 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: citation.txt File: CITATION.TXT (1 reply) Very good story about a policewoman mistress. Date: Monday, December 9, 1991 2:03pm Forum: Xrated From: Michael Msg#: 115902 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: chapter.08 File: CHAPTER.08 see Message #115898 chapter 8 of 24 Date: Monday, December 9, 1991 2:04pm Forum: Xrated From: Michael Msg#: 115903 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: chapter.09 File: CHAPTER.09 chapter 9 of 24 Date: Monday, December 9, 1991 2:06pm Forum: Xrated From: Michael Msg#: 115904 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: chapter.10 File: CHAPTER.10 chapter 10 of 24 Date: Monday, December 9, 1991 2:07pm Forum: Xrated From: Michael Msg#: 115905 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: chapter.11 File: CHAPTER.11 chapter 11 of 24 Date: Tuesday, December 10, 1991 3:35pm Forum: Xrated From: Michael Msg#: 116276 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: chapter.12 File: CHAPTER.12 chapter 12 of 24 Date: Tuesday, December 10, 1991 3:37pm Forum: Xrated From: Michael Msg#: 116277 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: chapter.13 File: CHAPTER.13 chapter 13 of 24 Date: Tuesday, December 10, 1991 3:38pm Forum: Xrated From: Michael Msg#: 116278 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: chapter.14 File: CHAPTER.14 chapter 14 of 24 Date: Tuesday, December 10, 1991 3:51pm Forum: Xrated From: Michael Msg#: 116281 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: chapter.15 File: CHAPTER.15 chapter 15 of 24 Date: Tuesday, December 10, 1991 3:53pm Forum: Xrated From: Michael Msg#: 116282 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: chapter.16 File: CHAPTER.16 chaprter 16 of 24 Date: Tuesday, December 10, 1991 3:55pm Forum: Xrated From: Michael Msg#: 116284 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: chapter.17 File: CHAPTER.17 chapter 17 of 24 Date: Tuesday, December 10, 1991 4:40pm Forum: Xrated From: Michael Msg#: 116297 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: chapter.18 File: CHAPTER.18 chapter 18 of 24 Date: Tuesday, December 10, 1991 6:43pm Forum: Xrated From: Michael Msg#: 116337 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: chapter.19 File: CHAPTER.19 chapter 19 of 24 Date: Tuesday, December 10, 1991 6:45pm Forum: Xrated From: Michael Msg#: 116339 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: chapter.20 File: CHAPTER.20 chapter 20 of 24 Date: Wednesday, December 11, 1991 3:35pm Forum: Xrated From: Michael Msg#: 116638 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: CHAPTER.21 File: CHAPTER.21 CHAPTER 21 OF 24 Date: Wednesday, December 11, 1991 3:38pm Forum: Xrated From: Michael Msg#: 116640 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: CHAPTER.22 File: CHAPTER.22 CHAPTER 22 OF 24 Date: Thursday, December 12, 1991 4:17pm Forum: Xrated From: Michael Msg#: 117073 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: chapter.23 File: CHAPTER.23 chapter 23 of 24 Date: Thursday, December 12, 1991 4:23pm Forum: Xrated From: Michael Msg#: 117075 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: chapter.24 File: CHAPTER.24 (1 reply) Well here it is the final cahpter 24 of 24. Let me know what you all think of the whole story. Date: Tuesday, December 24, 1991 1:42pm Forum: Xrated From: Michael Msg#: 122575 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: chris50.txt File: CHRIS50.TXT Interesting slave story (long distance) Date: Tuesday, December 24, 1991 1:53pm Forum: Xrated From: Michael Msg#: 122582 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: cindy.txt File: CINDY.TXT (1 reply) Haven't finished reading it yet seemed pretty good. Date: Friday, January 3, 1992 8:23am Forum: Xrated From: Michael Msg#: 127238 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: ali-aa.txt File: ALI-AA.TXT (1 reply) corrupt city officials take their liberty with some sweet young things. Date: Friday, January 3, 1992 8:26am Forum: Xrated From: Michael Msg#: 127240 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: angie.txt File: ANGIE.TXT (1 reply) School bus driver admires one of his students. Date: Friday, January 3, 1992 8:33am Forum: Xrated From: Michael Msg#: 127243 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: bitch.txt File: BITCH.TXT (1 reply) Mild male slave story. Date: Friday, January 3, 1992 8:42am Forum: Xrated From: Michael Msg#: 127245 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: badger.txt File: BADGER.TXT A guy goes at it with his stepsister. Date: Friday, January 3, 1992 5:07pm Forum: Xrated From: Slayer Msg#: 127442 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: ficta.* File: FICTA.* story: ficta part 1-4 Date: Saturday, January 11, 1992 12:53pm Forum: Xrated From: Enchanter Msg#: 131404 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: Purity Test File: 131404.ATT (Fw by Lythande, Fw by Lythande) (1 reply) See how innocent you are(and how easy your friends are) with the Purity Test. Great at parties. =) Date: Saturday, February 8, 1992 11:59am Forum: Xrated From: Kittycat Msg#: 140571 To: Dti *EXEMPT* Re: here's what you've been waiting for.. (7 replies) I am waiting upon the bed in the position you have taught me, wearing only garters and black stockings, no panties. My back is arched high, exposing both orifices. Your are keeping me waiting, letting me think about what is going to go on next. As you enter the room, i stay very still. I am completely open and ready for you. You come up from behind me, my face is still tilted towards the bed, i do not look at you. You take your palm and rub it against me, i am alreay wet. I close my eyes, trying to supress a moan. You take out the KY and I know what is going to happen next. You rub it over my asshole, which since it has not been entered in a while, will be very tight. Oh, what pain there will be! As you seperate my cheeks my body becomes tight with anticipation, but i do not move. If i move even slightly, if I curve my back to get away from you, you will do what you have done so many times before, you will take whatever device you deem appropriate and whip me with it, you will start off with 10, if i even flinch you will start all over again. Eventually i would just give into the pain, let it overwhelm me, knowing that it will eventually end. You grab my hair by the nape of the neck, wrapping the hair around you fingers, pulling hard. A warm tingly feeling comes over me. You enter me, without any warning, i'm so tight. The pain is so sudden! I moan, deep from within me. You laugh and ask me if i like it. I say no, no. And you slap my ass, and ask me again. You know how much i love it, but how can i admit it. You say i am so bad, you say that you know how much i love it. Don't you, don't you, you ask again, i moan yes, yes, as you thrust gets harder and quicker. You feel my pussy, adn it is sopping wet, you withdraw and i react like a dog in heat, rubbing my pussy hard against your cock,i want to be entered, to be filled. You grab one of my nipples hard, as you take a riding crop and strike me, once,twice, very hard it come's down on my but, you raise again and hit me on my back, between the shoulder blades. These leave a fine red mark, with every contact. You make me beg, but htis time you will give me what i want. I need you so bad. As you fill me up, easily sliding in, i'm so wet, you take an already lubricated dildo from the night table, and I arch even higher to give you easy access, i want to be filled both ways, oh it will feel so good..... Date: Monday, February 10, 1992 3:29pm Forum: Xrated From: Kittycat Msg#: 141164 To: Dti *EXEMPT* Re: liz1.txt File: LIZ1.TXT (4 replies) Ok, here's another one :)...... Date: Tuesday, February 11, 1992 2:09am Forum: Xrated From: Dti Msg#: 141324 To: Kittycat *EXEMPT* Re: here's what you've been waiting for.. (Reply to #140571) (2 replies) You better have been using the time between writing that tale and reading this one masturbating thinking forward to the day I take you for real none of this words bullshit anymore, talk is cheap but it serves to prepare similar to the KY you mentioned in yours... I have a vivid picture in the mind, you with ass high in the air, dressed the way you should, waiting. I better see your fingers wet shining busy between thighs, give me one more reason to smack your ass leave one red handprint each side just to say hello... I let you keep on grinding pussy against my cock while you beg waiting for me to jam into you, feels nice but seems like you may be getting off just a cunthair too fast off of this alone, reach over to the edge of the bed, get the prodder pregreased ready, this is meant for you to give me a show but right now you need to be doubleganged, me below, in your cunt, waiting aching begging for real now, shut the fuck up, we got time and only started... Red hand silhouettes framed by net garters black in color reaching down over my favorite thighs to keep fine net stockings in their place, in place just like you, elbows and knees pressed into the mat, face in the pillow, hair in my hand pulling you to me, ass the highest point of you. Smear more lube, hit the crack and spread it outwards just to feel the heat from where you caught the palm and see the gleaming flesh, slap yo to hear how much more sharp the impact is with slick substance covering sensitive skin. Do not yelp, be silent, we both know you live for this shit, no more pretend, you are in it deep and pure trouble like the worst nightmare best cream dream balled up in one... An errant hand reaches, trying to get off premature? This will not do, you live on my schedule, a sharp tug on your hair brings you to your senses and I let you take the adjunct inside, slide it all the way to the flange, into you, the upper hole for the nonmeat this time, the slit is for me personally and not some thing of synthetics, you catch one deep ragged buttfucked ripping gasp and shiver, slight spasm reaction, all I can see of you is your butt, the curve of your back sliding like a cliff down into a mass of curls down there where your head is, later for that, when you get to clean up this mess you started. You could go fuck yourself for all I care except that you have a fine ass and you pick up on what I want pretty fast, faster than nine tenths of the eligible population, so you find yourself in such a fortunate position completely exposed can't do a fucking thing about it now can you? Actually, you can do one thing, you can shave your cunt; if you do, I'll let you sit on my face next time and the time after that, remember such things. You have been begging praying to unnamed christs for no telling how long for me to finally fuck you for real, no latex substitute and not just in your asshole either, you get your fondest wish as I let slightly loose on your hair, pull back some, one hand on the device filling your ass and the right hand snagged in your curls to keep you close, a short bit of the tease touch to maneuver, my siffed eyes greedy taking you in, when right there a really hard yank on you hair slides you all the way back pull me into you again, jammed like a wedge feel you shudder in response hear the wet smack of me into you, pull out in concert with the dildo and loose your hair just enough, there will always be tension on your hair unless you are otherwise restrained. Then when you try to catch a breath the return slam comes, the rhythm designed to upset, you are obscene in ways that you cannot even imagine and must be handled carefully, the slam pulling on your scalp and it better hurt, too. One time, when I let you a little loose, you fuck up bigtime and move too far slipping me out, you have just earned more handprints and a yank on hair that brings you up to my level, face to face the first time this time, face red lined from pressing into the pillow, I bite hard stretching neckskin hear the moan makes me pleased and redeems you for awhile more. Since you screwed up and let me drop, I figure you need me to cum on your face. Move. I got something else to keep your cunt occupied while you get to clean me off, leave no cuntslime anywhere on me or suffer the consequence, bitch. Get over me, the only thing I want to see on you is your hole and your slit framed by your reddened ass, I am tired of looking at your face already, move right now. Better. While you get busy with the tonguebath I will fuck around with this huge rubber prod I have plugging your nether hole, let you feel my fingers in and around your cunt, you do not get to feel my tongue until you make yourself perfectly smooth, lets see how many fingers I can get in here, one, two, three feels resistance even though you are absolutely drenched with shame and need, but I can get four in there feel the heat tight clenching back at me, four slides deep in, up to my thumb, thumb pressing hard on your clit, you mashing against my hands working you like you never thought you even deserved, not in this life, pure hunger and love fuels your mouth over the far end of me, you have skill but could use more practice, you may get it if you behave for once... Sweet Dreams... Date: Tuesday, February 11, 1992 6:12pm Forum: Xrated From: Hotshot Msg#: 141655 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: Just the thing... (1 reply) Found an interesting ad in a magazine today: For a FREE sample of K-Y Jelly call 1-800-547-2300 ext. 211 This is a legit Johnson & Johnson ad... Date: Wednesday, February 12, 1992 3:38pm Forum: Xrated From: Kittycat Msg#: 141978 To: Dti *EXEMPT* Re: here's what you've been waiting for.. (Reply to #141324, Reply to #140571) (2 replies) I am on my hands and knees busy working on your cock, with my pussy wet and swollen in front of your face as you have directed. You watch as it lifts and lowers in front of you, you make a mental note that the next time you get me on the bed, spread eagle, you will apply cold water and shaving cream, and shave me smooth. But for now, as you watch, i look very appetizing to you, you want to taste me. You can see a little pink slit between the lips, you take your tongue and work your way inside, i immediately stop what i am doing to you, and pull my bottom away from you, and directly looking at your face in OPEN defiance, i say, No! And although i don't say it, by the look on my face, you know i'm asking you what are you possibly going to do about it? Hmmmm, take my body and flip it over, and just do what you are going to do? and what if i struggle or fight back. Would that just be a losing battle, which would only make me in the end, a little more compliant and a little more bruised? But would you come out completely untouched yourself? Date: Thursday, February 13, 1992 12:25am Forum: Xrated From: Dti Msg#: 142143 To: Kittycat *EXEMPT* Re: here's what you've been waiting for.. (Reply to #141978, Reply to #141324,*) All is going well, smooth nice, your posession of an educated tongue and willingness to apply it can make life with me far easier, you had been well behaved the entire day and looked to evade the lash for the time being. You were sucking me off giving me an unparallelled vista consisting entirely of your cunt and hole set lovely into fine flesh, I pulled you down to me wanted a taste wanted more. And you turned, turned around face shining with sweat and spit smeared from me, turned around gave me a face reflecting your imagined rights, rights of denial, errant concept of autonomy, grave error. With that face and mistaken expression came a wrenching twist of your hips turning you away and from me, powerful leg muscles can break my embrace if surprise on on the side of the trickster. One whipping hand extreme speed connects wetly loud like a rifle crack with your cunt as it recedes your legs still wide open too bad hope it hurt as loud as it sounded bitch, my fingers throb from reverb so even your dead nerves must have appreciated that lovetap, your body faster than you face in reaction doubling up laying on your right side fell right off the bed to the floor, face still showing vestiges of rebellion but not for long will I see such obscenity. Looks like you may be fingering yourself down there but the eyes clenched in another sensation so I figure you are not stupid enough to deny me AND pleasure yourself within five seconds, folded up like a saving & loan slow snotty whimper emanating from your face nicely replaces the shit you just tried to give me. You do not even see the bedsheet as it flies down surrounding you, I have speed and bad intent on my side spinning you into a cocoon arms held tight between your legs throb of your burning cunt a reminder never to deny me anything ever again, motion on your part will be an innaresting theoretical concern wrapped in the sheet tied from behind, skill learned from dealing with the insane and the overamped who require ambulance service, funny how a trade can impart skills that become useful at home, all I need now is a stretcher and I might as well wheel you to the edge of the stairs or leave you in the elevator overnight, tied naked in a sheet squirming thighs securely strapped to the gurney, pull the bottom of the sheet up six or so inches so your seething device can benefit from the healing properties of Bronx air, wonder if you would even be there at all when I wake up next day eleven am? Instead of leaving you out with the other trash I haul all what is it ninety eight pounds maybe of you into the bathroom, logroll you into the tub feel how chill a steel tub in February can feel, shut the fuck up already, this was the worst thing yet and you are extremely lucky I did not just snap your goddamn neck to hear the sound, never deny me again or you will just be dead after begging for it for the night silent behind gags standing tiptoe cuffed behind your back cuffchain hooked to the ceiling the chain just a cunthair too short. Run the shower, you did ask for cold water before didn't you and here it is a special reward full blast needle jets of icewater peel the nerves inner thighs to say absolutely nothing of your pussy still radiating an almost audible pain frequency jam your hands around behind your ass no use hiding now, get the razor, German Straight hollowground gleams in pale yellow lamplight but you can't see a goddamn thing through the sheet no matter how wet it becomes, you do not really deserve shaving cream or even soap just a careful hand that will not nick or slice my property while treatment ensues. Razor sharp like razor is, flashing with thirtyfour degree water skiving and bouncing off the blade, sweat beads runs down my brow into my eyes as each pass of the blade shows me more of you, exposing flesh reddened by recent impact, pulling each hair like nine saints in the inner circle of hell before neatly slicing through, the showerstream of deep winter tapwater sluicing useless dead fibers into the drain. I take twenty minutes to complete the job, perfect, not even one molecule of stubble to annoy my sensitive skin, turn off the shower and notice you are shivering somewhere in there in the bedsheets, I take you in my arms gently pick you up holding you against me with one arm while undoing the EDP knots with the other, feel your heart beat almost hear it too, rewrap you in all the warm dry towels within view, dry your hair like a baby, allow a smile for you to see and bring you back to bed, cover you with me and the covers kiss your eyelids closed and hold you tight until you stop shaking... Date: Friday, February 21, 1992 3:03pm Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 147077 To: Lythande *EXEMPT* Re: BBS's and meeting people (Reply to #147032, Reply to #146488,*) (6 replies) "considering how many males here want you"... Ugh. When I first started calling BBS's I was on such a high.. it was like "shit.. I'm so popular, I have all these guys up my ass"... but then I started thinking about it and it pissed me off because these guys have never seen me, they don't know ME.. they just "wanted" me because I had the right parts... When a guy out of nowhere leaves me a message and asks me out it pisses me off to no end.. But when I talk to guys on here.. I mean actually TALK about our feelings and things like that, THEN I get flattered if they're interested... But I like guys to at least try to get to know me before they decide to confess their undying love. -=*SYNNE*=- Date: Wednesday, February 26, 1992 8:55pm Forum: Xrated From: Dti Msg#: 151810 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: Really, No Shit... (Copy by Sysop) (5 replies) I figure that lots of people at least read the stuff in this Sig even if relatively few actually post publicly. However, I have a request, to all persons who see this message. If you have twenty bucks to use at your discretion, send it in to Ed and Deb to help the cause, aid in obtaining a couple more lines and a more horsepowerful version of the software. Twenny bucks. Eliminates busy signals and will never be asked for again once you give. This is one of the few free boards that has a chat function, and is flat out the best goddamn BBS in anywhere I ever called to. Just peel a twenty, send it in. Don't remember the adress? Email the Sysop. What the fuck, you can't even get a reasonable blowjob for twenty bucks anymore, this is the biggest bargain in the free world... PS: I am unemployed too. That is no good excuse. Date: Tuesday, March 17, 1992 10:28pm Forum: Xrated From: Wayno Msg#: 162368 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: helphant.txt File: HELPHANT.TXT see how well brother & sister can get along! Date: Thursday, March 19, 1992 11:43am Forum: Xrated From: Michael Msg#: 163437 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: watch.txt File: WATCH.TXT Voyuers delight Date: Thursday, March 19, 1992 11:47am Forum: Xrated From: Michael Msg#: 163444 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: sexhrass.zip File: SEXHRASS.ZIP Fun Harassment by a female boss. Date: Thursday, March 19, 1992 11:53am Forum: Xrated From: Michael Msg#: 163447 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: Busstrip.zip File: BUSSTRIP.ZIP All of your business trips should be like this one. Date: Wednesday, March 25, 1992 12:28pm Forum: Xrated From: Keys Msg#: 167136 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: Overtime.txt File: OVERTIME.TXT Spanking at the office Date: Wednesday, March 25, 1992 12:32pm Forum: Xrated From: Keys Msg#: 167137 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: indocerm.txt File: INDOCERM.TXT Husband spanked by women's group Date: Wednesday, March 25, 1992 12:35pm Forum: Xrated From: Keys Msg#: 167138 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: lab.txt File: LAB.TXT Spanking by machine Date: Sunday, March 29, 1992 5:43pm Forum: Xrated From: Guile Msg#: 169450 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: xxirst.txt File: XXIRST.TXT (Fw by Lythande) Story of incestuous first experience Date: Monday, April 6, 1992 5:17pm Forum: Xrated From: Toughenuf Msg#: 174094 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: trapeze.txt File: TRAPEZE.TXT OK FANS you asked for it. This is a description of what happened at a night at the swing club TRAPEZE. This is a true story!!! Date: Saturday, May 16, 1992 11:42am Forum: Xrated From: Kowasika Msg#: 195116 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: ruthie.1 File: RUTHIE.1 Daughter telling her story to her boyfriend about doing with her dad. Date: Saturday, May 16, 1992 12:53pm Forum: Xrated From: Kowasika Msg#: 195137 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: ruthie.2 File: RUTHIE.2 2nd of Ruthie6 Date: Saturday, May 16, 1992 12:58pm Forum: Xrated From: Kowasika Msg#: 195139 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: ruthie.3 File: RUTHIE.3 3rd of Ruthie6 Date: Monday, May 18, 1992 7:02pm Forum: Xrated From: Michael Msg#: 196269 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: sexharas.zip File: SEXHARAS.ZIP Fun form, bring it to work. Date: Monday, May 18, 1992 11:36pm Forum: Xrated From: Magnum44 Msg#: 196345 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: Lust2.txt File: LUST2.TXT Pretty good XXX story, found out there on nother bbs, enjoy! Date: Monday, May 18, 1992 11:41pm Forum: Xrated From: Magnum44 Msg#: 196347 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: lust3.txt File: LUST3.TXT Another little XXX goody! Date: Monday, May 18, 1992 11:43pm Forum: Xrated From: Magnum44 Msg#: 196353 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: Nymphbab.doc File: NYMPHBAB.DOC Hot n Horny Babysitter... Date: Monday, May 18, 1992 11:48pm Forum: Xrated From: Magnum44 Msg#: 196358 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: wife.txt File: WIFE.TXT (1 reply) Real hot story, XXX Hope you anit married to her!!! Date: Monday, May 18, 1992 11:56pm Forum: Xrated From: Magnum44 Msg#: 196363 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: movies.txt File: MOVIES.TXT Fuck Siskel & Egbert (they're dickheads anyway) Meet THIS one At The Movies!!! Date: Friday, May 22, 1992 2:58pm Forum: Xrated From: Michael Msg#: 197857 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: STRPPOK2.ARJ File: STRPPOK2.ARJ (1 reply) strip poker story Date: Friday, May 22, 1992 3:01pm Forum: Xrated From: Michael Msg#: 197858 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: cous.txt File: COUS.TXT (2 replies) Story about a costume. Date: Friday, May 22, 1992 3:03pm Forum: Xrated From: Michael Msg#: 197859 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: jill.txt File: JILL.TXT good short story /s Date: Friday, May 22, 1992 3:05pm Forum: Xrated From: Michael Msg#: 197860 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: masq.txt File: MASQ.TXT Short story about a masquerade party. Date: Friday, May 22, 1992 3:07pm Forum: Xrated From: Michael Msg#: 197862 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: party.txt File: PARTY.TXT good short story abou a party Date: Friday, May 22, 1992 3:09pm Forum: Xrated From: Michael Msg#: 197863 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: revenge.txt File: REVENGE.TXT (1 reply) This was pretty funny. Hope you all like it. Date: Friday, June 5, 1992 11:29am Forum: Xrated From: Michael Msg#: 203510 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: young.zip File: YOUNG.ZIP Haven't read it yet but it looks pretty good. Date: Friday, June 5, 1992 2:37pm Forum: Xrated From: Michael Msg#: 203523 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: BURGLARS.ZIP File: BURGLARS.ZIP (1 reply) Short story about two female burglars that have their case adjudicated at the scene of the crime. Date: Sunday, June 7, 1992 12:58am Forum: Xrated From: General Msg#: 203992 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: WEEKEND.TXT File: WEEKEND.TXT (1 reply) IT HAPPEND ON A WEEKEND Date: Sunday, June 7, 1992 6:10pm Forum: Xrated From: General Msg#: 204128 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: WHITE.TXT File: WHITE.TXT WHICH COLOR TO CHOOSE? Date: Tuesday, June 9, 1992 3:51pm Forum: Xrated From: Michael Msg#: 204667 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: widow.zip File: WIDOW.ZIP (1 reply) Long story very good. Date: Monday, June 15, 1992 8:45pm Forum: Xrated From: Love Msg#: 206365 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: 1stfist.zip File: 1STFIST.ZIP A Zipped text file about her first fist fuck experience Date: Thursday, June 18, 1992 12:48am Forum: Xrated From: General Msg#: 206885 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: BEVERLY.TXT File: BEVERLY.TXT (2 replies) .THE TYPE OF BABYSITTER ANYONE WOULD LOVE. Date: Wednesday, July 8, 1992 11:05am Forum: Xrated From: Todd Msg#: 214293 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: 1donna.txt File: 1DONNA.TXT (2 replies) Okay, I've been a voyeur long enough; I suppose its time I contributed something to this board. So, here are some files I picked up off another board... Date: Wednesday, July 8, 1992 11:06am Forum: Xrated From: Todd Msg#: 214294 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: 2donna.txt File: 2DONNA.TXT Part 2 of 3 files. Date: Wednesday, July 8, 1992 11:08am Forum: Xrated From: Todd Msg#: 214295 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: 3donna.txt File: 3DONNA.TXT Part 3 of 3 files. Let me know what you think... Although with the crowd that hangs around here, I somehow think that the files won't quite be kinky enough... . Date: Wednesday, July 22, 1992 8:45pm Forum: Xrated From: Wayno Msg#: 219815 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: practice.txt File: PRACTICE.TXT (1 reply) kissing practice, good story Date: Tuesday, July 28, 1992 6:30pm Forum: Xrated From: Artie Msg#: 222276 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: lezfrend.sty File: LEZFREND.STY (2 replies) If you enjoy lesbian stories, you'll love this one! Date: Wednesday, July 29, 1992 10:13am Forum: Xrated From: Artie Msg#: 222631 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: Hot_trot.txt File: HOT_TROT.TXT (1 reply) Here's the 1st part of a short story about cruisin' for sex............. Date: Saturday, August 1, 1992 11:51am Forum: Xrated From: Artie Msg#: 223811 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: SEXWARE.ZIP File: SEXWARE.ZIP OK, Here it is! D/L and unzip this file...... Guys answer question 28..... Gals check out your knowledge of sex! Date: Monday, August 17, 1992 3:34pm Forum: Xrated From: Michael Msg#: 230905 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: spring.txt File: SPRING.TXT short text file with oral action Date: Monday, August 17, 1992 3:36pm Forum: Xrated From: Michael Msg#: 230906 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: sexquiz.txt File: SEXQUIZ.TXT Short sex quiz * Date: Monday, August 17, 1992 3:38pm Forum: Xrated From: Michael Msg#: 230907 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: singap.txt File: SINGAP.TXT short file with mediocre action ** Date: Monday, August 17, 1992 3:43pm Forum: Xrated From: Michael Msg#: 230908 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: singapo2.txt File: SINGAPO2.TXT Part 2 of previous file. This file needs some cleaning up has extended ASCII char imbeded in text also written in all caps. Date: Monday, September 21, 1992 5:42pm Forum: Xrated From: Dean Holden Msg#: 237133 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: tami.txt (1 reply) TAMI'S STORY My name is Tami Dugan. I am 5 feet 10 inches tall, dark brown hair, blue eyes. My measurements are 38-26-36 and I am 27 years old. I have never been married nor had children. I like sports, softball, and volleyball, mostly. I also like to go camping. Enough of the boring stuff. Sexually speaking, I am very active. I love sex and I like to flirt and tease. I have sex with both men and women. I do not consider myself gay, just open minded. I like to BBS and have BBS sex. Eager Beaver asked me to tell her about me, so I decided to let you all know. When I was 19 I was still a virgin. I had gone out on dates and necked before. I even gave a blow job to the guy I went to the senior prom with (a different story). However, I felt that I was going to wait to have sex when I was married. I was 19 and still living at home and going to college. My parents were out of town for the week end and my older brother and his girl friend had come over to swim. At the time, my brother was 21 and s girl friend, now wife, was also 21. Saturday night my brother a bachelor party for one of his buddies, leaving Kim and me alone. Kim drove down to the store and bought some wine. We poured a glass of wine for each of us and started to talk. Well one and a half bottles later we were feeling pretty tipsy. She ask me if I ever slept with a boy. I responded no, and I thought she was going to faint. She said that a girl that looked like me should not have a problem getting a boy. I explained to her how I felt and she got up and sat next to me on the couch. She put her arm around me and gave me a hug, kissed me on the cheek then whispered in my ear, "Ever had a girl?". I looked surprised, but before I could answer, she grabbed my head and kissed me on the mouth. I couldn't believe it, I wanted to fight but I guess the wine had made too relaxed. As we kissed I felt her touch my tits. Her hand found its way under my sweater and was rubbing my tits through my bra. She whispered, "trust me, I will not hurt you." She stood up, took my hand and led me into my bedroom. As she slowly undressed me, I noticed how gentle she was and I felt complete trust in her. When she got me undressed, she took off her own clothes, laid me on the bed and began to kiss me again. With her hands on my tits, my cunt was beginning to drip. I was feeling horny. She knew exactly what to do and where to touch. She moved her mouth to my tits and sucked my nipples. This was so new to me but it felt great. Next thing I knew, her figures were between my legs, playing with my clit. She worked her head down to my virgin hole and licked it several times. She said I tasted sweet. I didn't know what she meant. I was horny for her. She rolled over onto her back and said that I could play with her. I laid on top of her and sucked her tits, what a great feeling. She took my hand and placed it on her cunt. It was wet and slick. She then pushed my head down there. I stuck my tongue out and put it on her hole. It tasted good. I began to lick and suck her twat, she began to moan, and said I was doing a good job. I guess we were quite a sight. At least my brother thought so. He did not go to the bachelor party, but instead snuck back to my room to watch. I was later told that they had planned this. Kim had wanted to fuck a girl, and wanted me. It was the first time for the both of us, and it was sweet and special. My brother, however, had a great big hardon and wanted to fuck Kim. He told me to watch. I saw his cock slip into Kim's cunt. In and out it went as he began to pump her. He told me to sit on Kim's face. I straddled her face and she began to eat me. I was grinding my cunt onto her tongue, begging for her to make me cum. My brother, while still pumping his girl, used his tongue to lick my nipples. At first I thought how wrong it was, but it felt so good to have my cunt and tits sucked at the same time, I soon forgot that this guy was my brother. Kim made me cum and I got off her face to watch my brothers cock slide in and out. He said he was going to cum. He came with a moan. My brother pulled out of Kim's fiery cunt, grabbed my head and shoved it between Kim's legs. I ate her cunt, tasting my own brother's cum. I now love to eat cum from cunts, the mixture of male and female cum makes me hot. I finished eating Kim, she told me I made her cum. I felt pretty good about that. Kim said that my brother must be horny again because he was hard. I looked at my brother and his cock was straight out. I had never seen a cock up close in good light before. My brother was stroking the long pole. Kim grabbed me by the shoulders and lead me to him, forced me on my knees before him and placed my head inches from the tip of his cock. The head was purple in color and very big. The boys I had gone out with and given blow jobs to were not this big. Kim said that since I ate his cum from her cunt, I should have some first hand. With that she pushed my head closer to his prick. I opened my told me to lay on my back. He climbed onto me and straer idea. Hed Date: Sunday, October 4, 1992 9:53pm Forum: Xrated From: Sysop Msg#: 239631 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: Widow.txt File: WIDOW.TXT Lauren and company Date: Sunday, October 4, 1992 9:54pm Forum: Xrated From: Sysop Msg#: 239632 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: lovetest.zip File: LOVETEST.ZIP The lovetest Date: Friday, November 27, 1992 7:39pm Forum: Xrated From: Quincy Msg#: 262136 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: "Enount.txt" File: 262136.ATT (3 replies) Hello. I'm new here, but not new to telecomming.... Just thought I'd introduce myself by way of my writing... Enjoy and let me know what you think. Quincy Date: Saturday, November 28, 1992 1:42pm Forum: Xrated From: Quincy Msg#: 262474 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: PFUCK1.TXT Another Story from Quincy File: PFUCK1.TXT (4 replies) Here is another story I wrote. I have started a series of them called PFUCK. Read the story's first line to see what that means! Quincy P.S. Yes, I am admitting I write the stuff. It breaks up the monotony of life and gets me away from SCI-FI for a while. Date: Sunday, December 6, 1992 2:52pm Forum: Xrated From: Data Msg#: 267217 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: For Your Reading Enjoyment (1 reply) Open your mind, and let the fantasy take flight..... As you lie naked upon the bed, my eyes embrace your body. I kiss you passionately- tongues intertwining and exploring. I fondle your breasts as I break the kiss and lower my head. You feel my warm, wet mouth on your nipples.... as they become erect with the firm yet gentle laps of my tongue. My hand joins into the action as I firmly take your tit flesh into my grasp. Kneading your soft, sensuous breast, I suck softly... then hard and softly again on your nipple. After many minutes of this, it stops suddenly. You then feel my breath on your pubic hair as I move into position to eat you. I insert my forefinger into your hole and my middle finger into your ass as I take your clit into my mouth. I suck your clit as I fuck both of your holes with my fingers. You become wet. It isnUt long before you become soaked, the pungent scent of your juices fill my nostrils as I lap your pussy. You groan as you shove your crotch into my face with great force as your cum enters my mouth. My mouth disappears as you wonder with anticipation where it will next strike. With a measure of delight, you feel me lick your feet, feel your toes being swallowed up into my eager mouth as I perform this foot worship. Warm saliva washes over your toes, as my tongue traces your cuticle. Now, my hands massage your feet as all falls away to pleasure. Fingers rub against the balls of your feet. Suddenly I find a pleasure point... my ministrations on it cause you to sigh deeply. My tongue slides from your toes to the center of your foot. With long, slow, luxurious strokes, I lick from your toes to your heel. My cock is now throbbing painfully... I place your beautiful foot on my underside of my hard cock. Slowly at first you move your foot back and forth, jerking me off. I throw back and moan as you continue your ministrations... After a few moments of this, you sense my orgasm building up. You suddenly stop, taking away your foot, leaving my cock twitching for more. But itUs time to play another game.... I get onto my knees as you get onto all fours, with your hot, sensuous ass facing me. In your position, see your tight asshole prone and ready... I grasp the cheeks and knead them in my hands... your skin feels like silk... I begin licking and teasing your asshole with my hungry, horny tongue. Oh, so good... I then move closer into you, and rub the tip of my rock hardness along the crack of your ass, occasionally dipping around to slide in the wetness of your pussy. Then I bury the head of my cock into your hole, and I hear your gasp as I bit by bit push in deeper. ItUs not very long before you are comfortable with it... and I begin to fuck you in earnest... I never felt more ecstatic- your ass grabbing my cock greedily. The resonating sound of our flesh hitting into each other interplaying with our moans fills the room along with the scents of our sex and sweat. Nearing climax, I instinctively grab a tuft of your hair as I fuck you faster and faster... until with one hard thrust I cum deep into Date: Sunday, December 6, 1992 8:38pm Forum: Xrated From: Data Msg#: 267310 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: Blood Red Ian drove down the tree lined street, slowing his Cougar as he eyed a parking space. He eyed much more than an empty parcel of asphalt, however. There she stood in all her awe inspiring glory. She stood in the driveway, placing a cardboard box in the car before her. It was a sexy red Porsche. For all of the autoUs sensuous lines, it paled in comparison to her. IanUs loins swelled with lust as he watched her; how her firm nipples pushed against the cotton blouse which hugged her body, as he longed to. As she bent over to place the package into the Porsche, her shorts rode up, exposing the flesh of her lower cheeks. A wisp of pubic hair hung teasingly from the bottom of the skin tight pants, enticing Ian all the more. Parking his car, Ian got out and walked towards her, his crotch swelling. As he approached, she took notice of him. She greeted him as she picked up another box from the ground. Her hand slipped as she handled it, and the contents spilled onto the ground below. The sound of breaking glass filled the air as the crystal shattered. RDamn it!S she yelled as she bent to collect the remnants. Ian, by this point was standing next to her and began to help her pick up the sharp pieces. Suddenly, she reacted in pain; gasping as she thrust her finger into her outh . A trickle of crimson blood began to flow from her injured finger. Shit! That hurts!S, she stated. RI guess it would, Jackie. Here, let me look....S Ian inspected the girlUs wound. RYouUll live.S he said with a grin. RHey, donUt I rate I kiss hello?S he asked her. Jackie shook her head, laughing, ROh, IUm sorry Ian.S As she kissed him, she touched his chest momentarily, leaving a small blood stain on his shirt which neither of them took note of. Looking into her car, Ian saw many of her belongings packed neatly in a number of boxes. RSo, youUre really moving out, huh?S he asked nonchalantly. RYep. This is just about it. I canUt wait to get the hell outta here, Ian. I know JohnnieUs a friend of yours, but heUs a real bastard to me. The last few months itUs been impossible to live with him. I just had to get out.S she explained. She began to pull her lanky frame into the car. RI have to get going, Ian. HeUs inside the house... he told me you were coming.S As she turned the engine over, she had an afterthought. RHey, Ian... why donUt you come over to my new apartment on Saturday? IUll make you that stuffed pepper that you like so much.S Ian smiled, RItUs a date.S he said cheerfully. Her expression changed appreciably- RNo- ItUs dinner, Ian. You know I donUt think of you like that.S She backed out of the driveway and sped down the street, leaving him standing there. Maybe she doesnUt feel that way about him, but he sure as hell was nuts about her. He dreamt of her every night since Johnnie introduced her. But, now, maybe things would be different that they were p. He was certain of it. That night, back at his place, Ian stood alone. He couldnUt stop thinking of Jackie since that afternoon. He almost mindlessly separated his laundry as he listened to the radio drone on and on. It was then he noticed the blood stain upon the shirt he had worn that day. Inspecting it, he saw that the stain was right over the heart. He dropped the garment and ran to the telephone. As the clock struck midnight, Ian sat in a darkened chamber, illuminated by candlelight. A withered od black man entered through the door, not saying a word, but speaking volumes with his silence. Although he was wrinkled and stooped over, there was unmistakable power burning in his eyes. Kneeling on the floor , the Ancient One sat across from Ian, a cauldron o men. He extended a gnarled hand; RThe garment... and I also require an mage of the intended.S Ian produced the stained shirt and a photograph of Jackie. The old man took the items and recited a strange chant. He flung his eyes open wide- the fire dancing in them. Bringing the chant to a sudden, loud climax, he threw the items into the fire. The flames soared up into the blackness. Ian was spellbound as he watched the flames dance over his head. Suddenly, all was darkness. RIt is done.S came the words of the Ancient One. Saturday night arrived. Ian strolled down the hallway to JackieUs door, bottle of wine in hand. He stood before the door, straightening his jacket and smoothing his hair. Satisfied, he knocked on the door. A moment elapsed before the door opened. Ian knew that the powers of the Ancient One were great, but he hadnUt prepared himself for what he now saw. Jackie stood before him, clothed in a black satin teddy trimmed with lace. Her long, curvaceous legs were athed in black nylons. She wore spiked heels on her sensuous feet, accentuating the shape of her legs and making her enticing ass all the more incredible. She smiled a devilish smile; RWell,S she purred throatily, RAre you going to come in or are we going to do it in the hall?S Ian was dumbstruck. RAh...S he stammered RI didnUt quite expect this.S Jackie grabbed the collar of his jacket and pulled him into the apartment, shutting the door behind him. RYou may have not expected this... but I know that you want it.S she said as she moved into him, kissing him deeply. Her hungry tongue probed the wetness of his mouth. Their tongues intertwined in a long, lasting French kiss. As he opened He knew it was.he beginning of a very hot affair. She said it was like magic.io Date: Sunday, December 6, 1992 8:43pm Forum: Xrated From: Data Msg#: 267311 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: Blood red II Ian drove down the tree lined street, slowing his Cougar as he eyed a parking space. He eyed much more than an empty parcel of asphalt, however. There she stood in all her awe inspiring glory. She stood in the driveway, placing a cardboard box in the car before her. It was a sexy red Porsche. For all of the autoUs sensuous lines, it paled in comparison to her. IanUs loins swelled with lust as he watched her; how her firm nipples pushed against the cotton blouse which hugged her body, as he longed to. As she bent over to place the package into the Porsche, her shorts rode up, exposing the flesh of her lower cheeks. A wisp of pubic hair hung teasingly from the bottom of the skin tight pants, enticing Ian all the more. Parking his car, Ian got out and walked towards her, his crotch swelling. As he approached, she took notice of him. She greeted him as she picked up another box from the ground. Her hand slipped as she handled it, and the contents spilled onto the ground below. The sound of breaking glass filled the air as the crystal shattered. RDamn it!S she yelled as she bent to collect the remnants. Ian, by this point was standing next to her and began to help her pick up the sharp pieces. Suddenly, she reacted in pain; gasping as she thrust her finger into her th . A trickle of crimson blood began to flow from her injured finger. RShit! That hurts!S, she stated. RI guess it would, Jackie. Here, let me Ian inspected the girlUs wound. RYouUll live.S he said with a grin. RHey, donUt I rate I kiss hello?S he asked her. Jackie shook her head, laughing, ROh, IUm sorry Ian.S As she kissed him, she touched his chest momentarily, leaving a small blood stain on his shirt which neither of them took note of. Looking into her car, Ian saw many of her belongings packed neatly in a number of boxes. RSo, youUre really moving out, huh?S he asked nonchalantly. RYep. This is just about it. I canUt wait to get the hell outta here, Ian. I know JohnnieUs a friend of yours, but heUs a real bastard to me. The last few months itUs been impossible to live with him. I just had to get out.S she explained. She began to pull her lanky frame into the car. RI have to get going, Ian. HeUs inside the house... he told me you were coming.S As she turned the engine over, she had an afterthought. RHey, Ian... why donUt you come over to my new apartment on Saturday? IUll make you that stuffed pepper that you like so much.S Ian smiled, RItUs a date.S he said cheerfully. Her expression changed appreciably- RNo- ItUs dinner, Ian. You know I donUt think of you like that.S She backed out of the driveway and sped down the street, leaving him standing there. Maybe she doesnUt feel that way about him, but he sure as hell was nuts about her. He dreamt of her every night since Johnnie introduced her. But, now, maybe things would be different that they were reaking up. He was certain of it. That night, back at his place, Ian stood alone. He couldnUt stop thinking of Jackie since that afternoon. He almost mindlessly separated his laundry as he listened to the radio drone on and on. It was then he noticed the blood stain upon the shirt he had worn that day. Inspecting it, he saw that the stain was right over the heart. He dropped the garment and ran to the telephone. As the clock struck midnight, Ian sat in a darkened chamber, illuminated lelight. A withered old black man entered through the door, not saying a eaking volumes with his silence. Although he was wrinkled and stooped over, there was unmistakable power burning in his eyes. Kneeling on the floor , the Ancient One sat across from Ian, a cauldron ing the two men. He extended a gnarled hand; RThe garment... and I also require an image of the intended.S Ian produced the stained shirt and a photograph of Jackie. The old man took the items and recited a strange chant. He flung his eyes open wide- the fire dancing in them. Bringing the chant to a sudden, loud climax, he threw the items into the fire. The flames soared up into the blackness. Ian was spellbound as he watched the flames dance over his head. Suddenly, all was darkness. RIt is done.S came the words of the Ancient One. Date: Monday, December 28, 1992 2:05am Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 278375 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: Possession (2 replies) Oh mighty warrior, my God of Lust Embrace me with your satin wings Tear my flesh My blood is your gift I surrender my pure body unto you Ravage me, I'm yours Clean my crimson offering with your forked tongue Mmmmm Deep within me... I feel your pulse quicken with mine Allow me to service you, M'Lord So cold... your iced wand tickles my inner flesh My body detaches from my mind My one thought is your pleasure Use my body as your toy Mmmmmm Creamy white fire burns me from within My meal thoroughly devoured Your spawn within me Your claws mauling my skin I beseech you, M'Lord I am yours -=*SYNNE*=- Date: Friday, December 25, 1992 10:42pm Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 279031 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: The Beast O'Lust (Copy by Lythande) (4 replies) She kneels before her prey Weights him down with her body Licking ruby lips in devourous presence, she smiles The demon Herself is within her Her hands gracefully paint his skin Tracing his lips, tickling his neck, flowing down his chest, Caressing her stiffening toy, kneading his inner thighs and trailing down his legs She feels him She knows his fear Mounting her new friend... under the crimson moon, she rides the immaculate flesh beneath her Drawing him into her as deeply as she could - then deeper His moans and cries feed her She radiates more with his every scream "Die for me" she purrs... "Diiiie" One final synchronous gasp escapes their lips swollen with the blood of the gods She continues her motions until the breath beneath her is no more She lifts herself off the still body, kneels before him once again Licks his lips, spits in him and walks away with a smile Here's to equal rights. -=*SYNNE*=- Date: Wednesday, December 30, 1992 3:11pm Forum: Xrated From: Vibrantm Msg#: 279837 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: BISEX.FAQ File: BISEX.FAQ (Copy by Lythande) This is an information crammed 20K text file on bisexuality, direct from Usenet. Computer resources, bibliographies, organizations, calendars of events are included. Date: Sunday, January 3, 1993 12:50am Forum: Xrated From: Quincy Msg#: 281600 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: Sexscene.TXT File: SEXSCENE.TXT (1 reply) Okay, here is the promised sex scene for all you perverts... :) Quincy Date: Monday, January 11, 1993 12:10am Forum: Xrated From: Vibrantm Msg#: 285442 To: Powrslave *EXEMPT* Re: Tantric Yoni Massage - Part 1 of 2 Copied unedited from a Usenet posting this month Part 1 of 2 ------------------------------------------------------------ From: jethro@netcom.com (Jeffery Tye) Subject: The Yoni Massage Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 09:31:45 GMT The Yoni Massage My wife and I have practiced Tantra/Sacred Sex for several years and have received much joy from the techniques and processes. One of my wife's favorite and frequently requested sexual activity is the Yoni Massage. It has greatly expanded our sex life, brought us closer and has given me a greater ap-preciation of women. We've taught the technique to many of our friends and they too have enjoyed good results from it. I offer it here and hope it enhances your sex life. Enjoy. BACKGROUND INFO: Yoni (pronounced YO-NEE) is a Sanskrit word for the vagina that is loosely translated as "Sacred Space" or "Sacred Temple." It's meaning and use is an alternate perspective from the Western view of the female genitals (i.e., Pussy, Cunt, Twat, etc., words which may or may not be complimentary depending on the intent of their usage). In Tantra, the Yoni is seen from a perspective of love and respect. This is especially helpful for men to learn. The purpose of the Yoni Massage is to create a space for the woman (the receiver) to relax, and enter a state of high arousal and experience much pleasure from her Yoni. Her partner (the giver) experiences the joy of being of service and witnessing a special moment. The Yoni Massage can also be used as a form of safer sex (when latex gloves are used) and is an excellent activity to build trust and intimacy. Some massage and sex therapists use it to assist women to break through sexual blocks or trauma. The goal of the Yoni massage is not orgasm. Orgasm is often a pleasant and welcome side effect. The goal is simply to pleasure and massage the Yoni/va-gina. From this perspective both receiver and giver can relax, and not have to worry about achieving something. When orgasm does occur it is usually more expanded, more intense and more satisfying. Orgasm is allowed to happen or not happen. allow the receiver to enjoy the massage and to relax into herself afterwards. Of course, other sexual activity may follow but it should be entirely the receiver's choice. This perspective will build greater intimacy and trust, and will greatly expand your sexual horizons. PREPARATION: Bathing is always helpful as it relaxes both the receiver and giver. A quiet space is desirable with pleasing music, candles, pillows, etc., or whatever makes the participants relax and feel safe. Allow yourself enough time and do not hurry through the process. Go to the bathroom before beginning the massage. The best results will occur when the bowels and bladder are empty and you will avoid the unnecessary experience of interrupting the massage to go to the bathroom. Connect with your partner by hugging, holding, eye gazing (looking into each other's eyes for an extended time), or whatever brings you to a place of safety and relaxation. PROCEDURE: Have the receiver lie on her back with pillows under her head so she can look down at her genitals and up at her partner (giver). Place a pillow, covered with a towel, under her hips. Her legs are to be spread apart with the knees slightly bent (pillows or cushions under the knees will also help) and her genitals clearly exposed for the massage. The giver sits cross-legged between the receivers' legs. The giver may wish to sit on a pillow or cushion. This position allows full access to the Yoni and other parts of the body. Before contacting the body, begin with deep, relaxed breathing. Both giver and receiver should remember to keep breathing deeply, slowly and with relaxation during the entire process. The giver will gently remind the receiver to start breathing again if the receiver stops or takes shallower breaths. Deep breathing, not hyperventilating, is very important here. Gently massage the legs, abdomen, thighs, breasts, etc., to get the receiver to relax and for the giver to prepare for touching the Yoni. Pour a small quantity of a high-quality oil or lubricant on the mound of the Yoni. Pour just enough so that it drips down the outer lips and covers the outside of the Yoni. (Several excellent sexual lubricants are available for this. Many lingerie shops, sex toy shops, sex magazines, etc., offer these safe lubricants. My favorite is Yoni Play from Looking Good Enterprises.) Begin gently massaging the mound and outer lips of the Yoni. Spend some time here and do not rush. Relax and enjoy giving the massage. Gently squeeze the outer lip between the thumb and index finger, and slide up --------------------------------------------------heir feelings and myd. Date: Monday, January 11, 1993 12:11am Forum: Xrated From: Vibrantm Msg#: 285444 To: Powrslave *EXEMPT* Re: Tantric Yoni Massage - Part 2 of 2 (2 replies) Continued from Previous Post - Part 2 of 2 ------------------------------------------------- Gently stroke the clitoris with clockwise and counter-clockwise circles. Gently squeeze it between thumb and index fingers. Do this as a massage and not to get the receiver off. The receiver will undoubtedly become very aroused but continue to encourage her to just relax and breathe. Slowly and with great care, insert the middle finger of your right hand into the Yoni (there is a reason for using the right hand as opposed to the left. It has to do with polarity in Tantra.). Very gently explore and massage the inside of the Yoni/vagina with this finger. Take your time, be gentle, and feel up, down and sideways. Vary the depth, speed and pressure. Remember, this is a massage and you're nurturing and relaxing the Yoni. With your palm facing up, and the middle finger inside the Yoni, move the middle finger in a "come here" gesture or crook back towards the palm. You will contact a spongy area of tissue just under the pubic bone, behind the clitoris. This is the G-spot or in Tantra, the sacred spot (there are many excellent books that go into detail about this area). Your partner may feel as if they have to urinate or it may be painful or pleasurable. Again vary the pressure, speed and pattern of movement. You can move side to side, back and forth, or in circles with your middle finger. You can also insert the finger that's between your middle finger and pinky. Check with your partner first before sticking two fingers into them. Most women should have no problem and will enjoy the increased stimulation from two fingers. Take your time and be very gentle. You may use the thumb of the right hand to stimulate the clitoris as well. An option to try if the receiver wants it is to insert the pinky of the right hand into her anus. Ask her first and do not insert your pinky into her Yoni/vagina after it has been in her anus. Use lubrication and be very gentle. (In Tantra, it is said that when your pinky is in her anus, the next finger and middle finger in her Yoni/vagina, and your thumb on your clitoris, "You are holding one of the mysteries of the universe in your hand.") So, what is your left hand doing all this time? You can use it to massage the breasts, abdomen, or clitoris. If you massage the clitoris it's usually best to use your thumb in an up down motion, with the rest of your hand resting on and massaging the mound. The dual stimulation of right and left hands will provide much pleasure for the receiver. I do not recommend using your left hand to touch your own genitals because it may take your focus off the receiver. Remember, this massage is for her pleasure and much of the benefit comes from not only the physical stimulation but the intent as well. Continue massaging, trying different speeds, pressures and motions. Keep breathing and looking into each other's eyes. She may have powerful emotions come up and may cry. Just keep breathing and be gentle. Many women have been sexually abused and need to be healed. A giving, loving and patient partner can be of great value to her. If she has an orgasm, keep her breathing, and continue massaging if she wants. More orgasms may occur, each gaining in intensity. In Tantra this is called "riding the wave." Many women can learn how to be multi- orgasmic with the Yoni Massage and a very patient partner. Keep massaging until she tells you to stop. Very slowly, gently, and with respect, remove your hands. Allow her to just lay there and enjoy the afterglow of the Yoni massage. Cuddling or holding is very soothing as well. As you learn to master the Yoni Massage your sex life will be greatly enriched and you will learn a great deal about feminine sexuality. There is a similar massage for men called the Lingam Massage. Lingam is a Sanskrit word for the penis that means, "Wand of Light." I will post it some other time. nd of usenet article| ---------------------- Date: Sunday, January 10, 1993 2:01pm Forum: Xrated From: Princess Msg#: 286856 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: I Sin.. (Copy by Lythande) (4 replies) It all begins with one wrenching utterance, a whisper of heated breath forced directly into a targeted ringed cruve "come with me," and she does. I lay her upon the majestic canopy satin softness, the deepest blue midnight.. fire reflections the only harbouring sanctity between ourselves and the unknown..while the regally hung drapery masquerades as conscious eyes watching, waiting.. finest spun velvet releasing colors of kingdoms past, shutting out whats left of the moonlight dissipating and seeking solace behind a lonely hill. Her hair fans the pillow rest beneath her sculptured head in shades of blackened mahogany, straight strands orsilk feathering in the breeze. Hands encircle enclasp my throat, as weighted by unspoken solicit pleas I am drawn towards her being with the slightest of pressures. Her mouth opens ever so trifling and trembles there as I lean forth to press my lips to hers, distanced..barely touching. I feel her tongue dart for shelter like a mating peacock in a reeth of coral underbrush hiding as prey and yet taunting and pouring its tail as liquid, golden shades of color into a puddle of the brightest intensity. So enticed, I search..for it is not from the fear of death, but life she hides. With the smallest almost unrecognizable gasp I meet her,plunging,encircling,the wetness entangling amidst a shared rendezvous. The hold on my airway tightens, trivially, as I feel beside me her skin gliding over my own goose bumped flesh..warm, as warm as can beg to exist without combusting and smoldering into a single remaining ash. Undetermined fingertips in a timeless race against her skin,her face,her throat,the beginning curve of her chest,until her heart pounds beneath my carress as loudly as my own echoing inside. And suddenly,she moves,stirs,awakens,like a beast in the night haven of sleep hearing the call of the wilderness entranced. She arises and sits balanced delicately on her knees, the moonlight bouncing from behind,to her skin displaying the curve of her breasts pressing towards from beneath her velveteen skin. She takes a breath, anticipating,and I touch her,feeling her harden..softness beneath the chill of my hand. Her teeth chatter sharply during what seems like the longest exhale existing,excrutiatingly pleasing,intoxicating silence. Arching her back she leans into my embrace,positioning her hands behind her head,arcing the moonlit patterns,sending darts reverberating from the newly made corners of her body. She picks up her dismal blanket,blackened,wicked temptation of evilness in a contradictory epiphanie..her hair..sweet smelling as a newborn infant just come from Mothers breast rememberance of the womb in immaculate mind, and runs her fingers through the wonder of it softly letting it all fall to her back..I hear it fall,the edges pounding..paint brush thistles on exposed crisp naked paper. She closes her eyes and parts her lips crimson from intrigue and remnants of applicant.. Her candor I ingest,as a protien,as a poison,a life source I allow to infiltrate my soul as I lean toward the provocation and plunge into her caverns within. She escapes an animal cry,singing to me,a lullaby,a love song,a melody yet unwritten though sung through the ages in language unknown. A listening ear's heart wouldve melted,sirens song,this agonizing shrill cry of tribulation burdened within..Cavernous eyes,deep,dark,moistened.. glimmering, shimmering in the uncertainty blink,while she rocks to the source of pleasure instinctively. My tongue flickers upon her,lips descend to a close as she shivers in unconscious impatience. In an almost frenzied appeal,her eyes search mine as if for some sense of compassion or understanding, and I do- having been her,being her,knowing her as my fingers reach out to meet her resistance. How narcissistic am I,I ponder,as we enrapture one another in this game of cat and mouse,we are mice throughout it wholly. I ingress in the forbidden place,guided along by dewdrop dampened walls beckoning,beseeching my intrusion into her deepest secrets. The moan,a cry,quickened breath,and she mirrors my actions so passionately as if a script. She touches me, I feel it from afar,the excitement building not as much from her hands upon me,unrecognizable as my touch to her, but from my own performance,exploring,plunging in what I knew as my own,but now visit dutifully in another. I sense the contractions she bequeaths me surrounding,as if I am one with this being,this imitation image,this selfreflection,this sister. I am her thoughts,her knowledge,her whimpering cringing all encompassing waves of need building within.. She releases the beginning,the first, a mother of cries in a series Ican feel flowing as a current as potent as my own as she comes forth on an energy plain glowing,higher than known to man. A chorus is formed,high pitched,returning to the primitive purity of nature.. We join together.. she, then I.. She calls me and I come to her.. I sin. .. and sin .. and sin .. Date: Thursday, January 14, 1993 7:33pm Forum: Xrated From: Vibrantm Msg#: 288288 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: Lingam Massage - Part One of Two Usenet news groups posting - not my authorship Part One of Two - Lingam Massage ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jethro@netcom.com (Jeffery Tye) Subject: TECHNIQUE: The Lingam Massage Organization: Beyond Your Limits Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1993 00:20:45 GMT This is a follow-up to the recently posted "Yoni Massage" and is the male version of the Tantric/Sacred Sexuality pleasuring technique. Enjoy. The Lingam Massage BACKGROUND INFO: The Sanskrit word for the male sexual organ is Lingam (pronounced LING- AHM, [LING rhymes with sing]) and is loosely translated as "Wand of Light." It's meaning is different in intention from the typical Western view of the penis (i.e., Cock, Prick, Dong, Dick, etc., words that may come from a limited perspective, depending on the intent of their usage). In Tantra/Sacred Sexuality, the Lingam is respectfully viewed and honored, a "Wand of Light" that channels creative energy and pleasure. The purpose of the Lingam Massage is to create a space the receiver to relax, and receive expanded pleasure from his Lingam. His partner (the giver) experiences the joy of facilitating and witnessing the man surrendering to his softer, gentler side. The Lingam Massage can be used as a form of safer sex (when latex gloves are used) and is an excellent process to build trust and intimacy. It is often used to help men heal from negative sexual conditioning and trauma. Orgasm is not the goal of the Lingam massage although it is often a pleasant and welcome side effect. The goal is to massage the Lingam, also including testicles, perineum and Sacred Spot (the equivalent to the female G-spot), and allow the man to surrender to a form of pleasure he may not be used to. From this perspective both receiver and giver relax into the massage. Men need to learn to RELAX and RECEIVE. Traditional sexual conditioning has the man in a doing and goal oriented mode. The Lingam Massage allows the man to experience his softer, more receptive side and experience pleasure from a non-traditional perspective. PREPARATION: Take a relaxing bath or shower. Take your time and breathe deeply. Conscious, relaxed breathing will take you out of your mental process and will get you more into your feelings. Relax your belly and let go of the tension that most of us hold there. Go to the bathroom before beginning the massage. The best results occur when the bowels and bladder are empty. Let go of your thoughts and connect with your partner through hugging, holding, eye gazing (looking into each other's eyes for an extended time), bringing both of you to a place of relaxation and trust. PROCEDURE: Have the receiver lie on his back with pillows under his head so he can look up at his partner (giver). Place a pillow, covered with a towel, under his hips. His legs are to be spread apart with the knees slightly bent (pillows or cushions under the knees will also help) and his genitals clearly exposed for the massage. The giver sits cross-legged between the receivers' legs. Before contacting the body, begin with deep, relaxed breathing. Gently massage the legs, abdomen, thighs, chest, nipples, etc., to get the receiver to relax. Remind the receiver to breathe deeply and to sink deeper into relaxation. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Part One of Two - Second Part to Follow ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thursday, January 14, 1993 7:35pm Forum: Xrated From: Vibrantm Msg#: 288289 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: Lingam Massage - Part Two of Two (2 replies) Usenet news groups posting - not my authorship Lingam Massage - Part Two of Two ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Pour a small quantity of a high-quality oil (or water-based lubricant when using latex gloves) on the shaft of the Lingam and testicles. Begin gently massaging the testicles, taking care to not cause pain in this sensitive area. Massage the scrotum gently, causing it to relax. Massage the area above the Lingam, on the pubic bone. Massage the Perineum, the area between the tes-ticles and anus. Take your time. You are giving a massage to an often ne-glected area of the body. Massage the shaft of the Lingam. Vary the speed and pressure. Gently squeeze the Lingam at the base with your right hand, pull UP and slide off and then alternate with your left hand. Take your time doing this, right, left, right, left, etc. Then, change the direction by starting the squeeze at the head of the Lingam/penis and then sliding DOWN and off. Again, alternate with right and left hands. Massage the head of the Lingam as if you are using an orange juicer. Massage all around the head and shaft. In Tantra there are many nerve endings on the Lingam that correspond to other parts of the body. It is said many ailments can be cured by receiving a good Lingam Massage. NOTE: The Lingam may or may not go soft as you perform this technique. Do not worry if it doesn't get hard again. You will probably find that it will get hard, then go soft, get hard again, etc., which is a highly desirable Tantric experience, like riding a wave, bobbing up and down. Hardness and Softness are two ends of the pleasure spectrum. If it appears that the receiver is going to ejaculate, back off, allowing the Lingam to soften a little before resuming the massage. Do this several times, coming close to ejaculation, and then backing off. Remember, the goal is not orgasm in and of itself. Men can learn the art of ejaculatory mastery and control by coming close to ejaculation and then backing off on the stim-ulation. Deep breathing is key here and will soften the urge to ejaculate. Eventually ejaculatory mastery will allow you to make love as long as you want and you can become multi-orgasmic without losing a drop of semen. Orgasm and ejaculation are two different responses that you can learn to separate. The result is a very expanded sex life. Find and massage the male Sacred Spot. There are two ways to do this. One is by finding the spot midway between the testicles and anus. There is a small indentation about the size of a pea or maybe larger. Be gentle and push inward. He will feel the pressure deep inside and it may be intensely painful at first. Eventually, as this area is worked on and softened, he will be able to expand his orgasms and master ejaculatory control. You can massage his Lingam with your right hand and massage his Sacred Spot with your left hand. Try pushing in on this spot when he nears ejaculation. It is aptly named the Million Dollar Point in Taoism. The other way to access the Sacred Spot is through the anus. Many men, especially heterosexual men, are uncomfortable at first as a result of negative sexual conditioning. Be careful here and use lubrication. The key is to go slow and be very gentle. Make sure he is breathing as you slip a finger from your left hand into the anus about an inch or so. Then crook the finger back in a "come here" gesture. You will feel the prostate gland. Vary the pressure and speed of massage. He may want stimulation of the Lingam as you massage the Sacred Spot. Back off on the Lingam as he approaches orgasm and increase the pressure on the Sacred Spot. Sometimes the man may have strong emotions come up during access to the Sacred Spot. He may cry and remember a traumatic event from his past. You, the giver, are in a place of trust and intimacy. Allow him to feel his emotions and be very loving, not trying to console or fix him, just let him feel whatever he needs to. Encourage him to scream, cry, moan, sob, if it feels appropriate. Be the best friend and healer he could have in that moment. ENDING THE MASSAGE: If he chooses to let go and ejaculate, encourage him to breathe deeply during the orgasm. It will blow his mind, especially if he has come close and held back at least SIX times before ejaculating. Holding back six times charges up the sexual battery with tremendous energy. It is then his choice as to where he wants to send this energy -- out with their ejaculate (the prevailing paradigm) or inward for other uses (men who master ejaculation are able to channel this energy into other areas of their being). When he feels complete with the massage gently remove your hands and allow him to lie there quietly. You may want to snuggle up together or you can leave the room and let him drift off into a meditative state. Allow him to fully experience his childlike innocence and magnificent male beauty. Have fun with this technique and share it with your friends and loved ones. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Part Two of Two ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Monday, January 18, 1993 12:52pm Forum: Xrated From: Hacker Msg#: 290386 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: anniv.txt File: ANNIV.TXT Anniv.txt Kinda ok, if you like the lesbian stuff. Date: Monday, January 18, 1993 12:54pm Forum: Xrated From: Hacker Msg#: 290397 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: brassbed.txt File: BRASSBED.TXT Brassbed.txt Never finished reading it... kinda ok so far... Date: Monday, January 18, 1993 12:59pm Forum: Xrated From: Hacker Msg#: 290404 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: Connie.txt File: CONNIE.TXT Sorry about the previous post... screwed that up... here's the file. Date: Monday, January 18, 1993 1:01pm Forum: Xrated From: Hacker Msg#: 290409 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: fixit.txt File: FIXIT.TXT Fix it.txt Kinda ok... Date: Monday, January 18, 1993 1:03pm Forum: Xrated From: Hacker Msg#: 290411 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: kate.txt File: KATE.TXT (1 reply) Kate.txt Date: Monday, January 18, 1993 1:05pm Forum: Xrated From: Hacker Msg#: 290414 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: neighbor.txt File: NEIGHBOR.TXT (1 reply) neighbor.txt Date: Monday, January 18, 1993 1:07pm Forum: Xrated From: Hacker Msg#: 290415 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: spanking.txt File: SPANKING.TXT spanking.txt Date: Monday, January 18, 1993 1:09pm Forum: Xrated From: Hacker Msg#: 290416 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: thegame.txt File: THEGAME.TXT (1 reply) the game txt Date: Monday, January 18, 1993 1:40pm Forum: Xrated From: Hacker Msg#: 290452 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: atale.txt File: ATALE.TXT Date: Monday, January 18, 1993 1:41pm Forum: Xrated From: Hacker Msg#: 290454 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: aftsch.txt File: AFTSCH.TXT (1 reply) Date: Sunday, January 24, 1993 11:22pm Forum: Xrated From: Quincy Msg#: 295864 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: O4Part2.Txt File: O4PART2.TXT (Fw by Lythande) (2 replies) Here is the long awaited (at least by some of you) next installment in the stories from Orion Four. Orion Four: Tainted Weeds Enjoy! Quincy Date: Monday, February 1, 1993 8:41pm Forum: Xrated From: Vibrantm Msg#: 300672 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: Mucho References on Tantric Goodies (2 replies) Copied from Usenet news groups ----------------------------------------------------------------- From: jethro@netcom.com (Firewalking Tantrika) Subject: Recommended books on Tantric Sex Date: 31 Jan 93 22:25:33 GMT Hey Kids! Most westerners use the word "Tantra" to cover sacred and enhanced sexuality. Tantra as practiced in the West, referred to as neo-Tantra, borrows from many traditions including Taoism, Hindu Tantra, Native American Quodoshka, African, Polynesian, Wiccan, Christian Gnosticism, etc. Real "Tantra" is a rigorous spiritual discipline and vast field of study. The sexual aspect is a small but important part of it. Many of you have e-mailed me for a list of good Tantric/Sacred Sexuality books. There are many good works to choose from. It depends on your tastes and interests. I have compiled a short list of titles that I feel give a good overview of Tantric sex and provide practical processes and techniques. They can be found at many Meta-physical bookstores or can be easily ordered through most bookstores. I consider the first three books as "must-haves" for anyone interested in enhancing their sex life. You don't have to be spiritual or religious to enjoy them. "The Art of Sexual Ecstasy" by Margo Anand. One of my favorites! Buy this book. She presents the information and techniques in a way that is palatable to westerners. Her workshops are wonderful too! "Sexual Energy Ecstasy (revised version)" by David and Ellen Ramsdale. This is a great, great book, chocked full of techniques and processes. It is worth it's weight in gold. "Sexual Secrets" by Nik Douglas and Penny Slinger. A treasure trove of information about sacred sexuality and esoteric practices. It is filled with great illustrations and photos. Makes a good coffee-table book to delight your guests. "The Encyclopedia of Erotic Wisdom" by Rufus Camphausen. A wonderful reference book to have in your library. It contains esoteric and little known information about ancient rituals and symbols. It will entertain you for hours and hours. "Tantra: The Art of Conscious Loving" by Charles and Caroline Muir. A fine beginner's book and compelling argument for Tantra. Their workshops are highly recommended. They have a lovely new video out. "Sacred Orgasms" by Kenneth Ray Stubbs. He uses poetry and illustration to capture the flavor of sacred sexuality. It challenges the western paradigm of orgasm. This is a great book. "Jewel in The Lotus" by Sunyata Saraswati. This book gets into how to move sexual energy in the body. Sunyata taught most of the western Tantra teachers. There are many other titles but I consider these the most useful and practical. I recommend the magazine, "Tantra: The Magazine" for anyone interested in learning more about the Tantric/Sacred Sexuality movement. The artwork is exquisite and they work hard at turning out a quality magazine. Their office number is 505/384-2292. Have fun! Jeffery Tye jethro@netcom.com ----------------------------------------------------------- End of post from Usenet Date: Sunday, February 7, 1993 6:06pm Forum: Xrated From: Quincy Msg#: 304984 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: Jenny.Txt File: JENNY.TXT (2 replies) Well, here's the latest story from Jayson Todd... Two girls and one guy...and the type of orgasms that Debbie was talking about... Quincy Date: Saturday, April 24, 1993 5:22pm Forum: Xrated From: Shadowstalker Msg#: 346924 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: The Acrobat (Fw by Lythande) (1 reply) There was a young fellow named Dick Who perfected a wonderful trick: He'd get an erection, And scron all protection, Then Balance himself on his prick 'Twas a fearful and wonderful sight; and the ladies all shrieked with delight; But the men were less zealous, For it made them all jealous, And they said Dick had no copyright! Then each of them tried it and failed,. While their wives looked on helpless and waile For each one would teeter, And fall on his peter, Or manage to get all derailed. So Dick was the toast of the town; There was nothing too good for that clown, And the wives all came flocking To the Acrobat's Cocking. While the husbands deplored his renown. And then came the best part of all; That number would bring down the hall; For his tour-de-force trick Was to straddle his prick, And wheel out of sight on one ball! The ladies all ran to tease Dick That the Frenchman had bettered his trick; So he straddled and struggled, And one ball he juggled, But he knocked out his prop with a kick. Now the tragedy didn't end there; For as Richard whirled down through the air, His Prick becamed tied In a Knot that defied All attempts to untangle its snare. Most men would have died with remorse; But Dick found another resource: For pretzels he'd pose With his twisted up hose, And he made a nice income of Course!! Date: Saturday, May 15, 1993 7:28pm Forum: Xrated From: Totoro Msg#: 358015 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: Samantha File: 358015.ATT (1 reply) Date: Tuesday, May 25, 1993 4:51pm Forum: Xrated From: Puck Msg#: 361871 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: The craziest fucking thing I've done is... (2 replies) I just have to be different. Now let's talk trash. I want to know the craziest fucking thing you've done. Like for example, I had sex in my office. I know, you're thinking no big deal. But my office wasn't empty at the time and The cleaners were still going from room to room cleaing. Can you say " Oh shit, some one else is coming. Stuff like that. L8R Puck Date: Wednesday, June 2, 1993 12:41am Forum: Xrated From: Autox Msg#: 364025 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: stocks.txt File: STOCKS.TXT Heya all.. being long distance I don't get a chance to get here that often, but I thought I should shoot you a little story I found that's short, but one of my favs... Date: Friday, June 11, 1993 9:41pm Forum: Xrated From: Vibrantm Msg#: 367133 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: Generous Portions (1 reply) Newsgroups: alt.sex Subject: The Hung Jury From: leigh@waffle.whiffer.atl.ga.us (Leigh Melton) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 93 17:37:49 EDT Organization: The Waffle Whiffer Eastern Annex and Tofuhut, Atlanta An interesting little article in Nose Magazine, entitled "Give 'Em An Inch" tells of a group called The Hung Jury, which is "... a dating service which matches men who have enormous penises with women who like men with enormous penises." One Jim Boyd of Los Angeles operates the club, which publishes a newsletter called _Measuring Up_. He is also the author of a work-in- progess called _The Last Sexual Taboo: Women and Penis Size_. According to the article, THJ is "not just about size, but Club members should be attractive, sincere AND well-hung - just not in that order." The minimum (erect) penis size required for membership consideration is eight inches. There's also a special status for the "super-hung" (ten inches or more). Boyd founded THJ in 1977. He's been featured on the Sally Jesse Raphael show, written articles for men's magazines (unnamed in the article) with such titles as "Four Chicks Talk About Big Dicks" and was a guest on the Tom Leykis Show in LA, which brought about a hefty fine from the FCC. He also has a brief mention in the Madonna biography by Christopher Anderson. In his newsletter, "Boyd reviews sex books and courses on how to upgrade your member." The article ends with an encapsulation of the Boyd philosophy. "Just as men can admire a woman's breasts or legs, women should be able to say 'I like 'em large' without everyone grossing out. Only then will our society truly be free." The address of The Hung Jury is Post Office Box 417, Los Angeles, CA 90078. A sample copy of _Measuring Up_ is $5.00 and you must send along a business-sized security envelope to receive a copy. ***** Leigh ***** Date: Wednesday, July 14, 1993 5:52pm Forum: Xrated From: Vibrantm Msg#: 378446 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: MASTRBAT.FAQ Reference Guide to Masturbation File: MASTRBAT.FAQ The attached 50K text file is fresh from Usenet, provided anonymously by a helpful wanker. It tells all about masturbation technique, and even includes an extensive annotated bibliography. Date: Sunday, August 15, 1993 9:10pm Forum: Xrated From: Dr. Doctor Msg#: 388118 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: innocent.txt File: INNOCENT.TXT (Fw by Sysop) This is a fantasy about two young boys who discover their sexuality. Date: Tuesday, August 17, 1993 8:21pm Forum: Xrated From: Dr. Doctor Msg#: 388372 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: Bedtime.txt File: BEDTIME.TXT Here's a story about a mom, her daughter and her daughter's friend. If you like lesbian bedtime stories, this one is pretty hot!! Dr. Doctor Date: Tuesday, September 14, 1993 5:49pm Forum: Xrated From: Balder -- The Dead God Msg#: 391491 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: for those with a romantic feel... File: 391491.ATT read the attached message... Its a short poem I wrote but I think it captures the essence of it all.. Date: Tuesday, October 12, 1993 12:55am Forum: Xrated From: Bob Ehrenberg Msg#: 401000 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: patrol.txt File: PATROL.TXT (Fw by Sysop) (1 reply) Well here it is the first literary thing I've writen since getting out of college (the first time). I hope you all enjoy. (And no critiquing by editors allowed) ---BOB Date: Wednesday, January 5, 1994 10:02pm Forum: Xrated From: Murray Altman Msg#: 434675 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: alice File: 434675.ATT wanted to send anyone interested some sample text files. Here's the first called Alice. Date: Wednesday, January 5, 1994 10:04pm Forum: Xrated From: Murray Altman Msg#: 434676 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: angel File: 434676.ATT Here's a text file concerning a young girl who's not an angel although that's her name. Date: Wednesday, January 5, 1994 10:11pm Forum: Xrated From: Murray Altman Msg#: 434678 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: chores File: 434678.ATT We should all be as lucky as the young man in this story who was hired to do some simple chores and ended up with much more than he had planned for. Date: Wednesday, January 5, 1994 10:17pm Forum: Xrated From: Murray Altman Msg#: 434681 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: driving File: 434681.ATT (1 reply) Here's a story about a poor driving instructor... Date: Friday, January 7, 1994 12:10am Forum: Xrated From: Jim Benton Msg#: 434979 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: overhrd.zip File: OVERHRD.ZIP Here's the story I tried to upload earlier. Date: Tuesday, January 11, 1994 3:44pm Forum: Xrated From: 2380 Msg#: 436725 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: Hotstuff. File: HOTSTUFF. (2 replies) This is a first effort in writing. Consider this like English 101 and let me know what you think. Some friends who have read it think its pretty hot. Date: Monday, May 9, 1994 1:30pm Forum: Xrated From: Daliah Msg#: 477250 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: Playing with Lilly (4 replies) Another little storie I decided to write.... Lilly awoke to find herseld in re lovers bedroom, only it was not her lover next to her. It was his brother. The blanets were thrown off the bed and she was naked. She found hims lying next to her gazing at her naked body. Lilly was alittle confused about all ofthis ad didn't remember how she had ended up in bed her her lover's brother. She really couldn't remember much about the previous night, but pieces of it started to come back to her. She remembered leaving the party with jake and heading home when bob followed. she remembered sitting on the couch between the two of them drinking a beer and watching the Nicks game. The rest seemed a blurr. Bob leaned over and kissed her gently on the lips running his hand along the inside of her thigh toward her crotch. She then remembered being on the couch again feeling both Jake and Bob's hands on either of her thighs. She remembered the look they gave each other when the saw the other's hand. That look of recognition and conspiracy. What was going on? She thought. She could see them reaching out to her breasts. Jake was pinching her right nipple gently while Bob was carrasing her left breast. She feel their searching hands unbuttoning her blouse and removing her bra. She saw Bob's hands running the bra up and down against her nipples while Jake played with her clit under her dress. She hadn't remembered wearing pantiesthat night. She nnew Jake enjoyed it when she didn''t. If you like this write to me and I'll continue it. Daliah Date: Wednesday, June 1, 1994 4:54pm Forum: Xrated From: Videoman Msg#: 484302 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: JEAN.TXT File: JEAN.TXT (Fw by Sysop) (1 reply) Sorry about not sending this up as txt the first time. Have had trouble with software. Let`s see how this does. \ / \/ IDEOMAN Date: Friday, June 3, 1994 3:25am Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 484564 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: Go Fuck Yourself (7 replies) #1) I graduated from Stony Brook, so I'll be around here more instead of being the Phantom SigOp that I've been. #2) I need to know this.. Don't ask me why.. BUT.. Have any of you fantasized about being in sexual situations with.. YOURSELF? Now.. it's not that I'm so into myself or my body cause I'm not.. in fact there are MANY things I'd like to change about my body... but if I could have sex with someone who looked exactly like me.. I think I would like it . I think it has to do with the desire to pleasure onself.. I mean.. afterall, we know best what makes our bodies feel good, no? Also.. I think a lot of people enjoy the idea of twins/sisters messing around.. maybe this is related to that. Also.. I like watching sexual things being done to me.. That turns me on almost as much as the physical feelings that come from it.. Tell all... perverted minds want to know... Date: Sunday, July 10, 1994 1:46am Forum: Xrated From: Videoman Msg#: 499200 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: intersta.txt File: INTERSTA.TXT (Fw by Sysop) (1 reply) OK, you asked for it. Here is another adventure of Pat. Enjoy, Enjoy,Enjoy...... Appreciate any comments. \ / \/ideoman Date: Sunday, July 17, 1994 2:15pm Forum: Xrated From: Videoman Msg#: 500130 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: bookstore.txt File: 500130.ATT (Fw by Lythande) (1 reply) I always answer a plea. Hope you'all enjoy this next tidbit. till later \ / \/ IDEOMAN...& pat. Date: Saturday, July 23, 1994 10:13am Forum: Xrated From: Drpax Msg#: 502101 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: Breakfast (Copy by Lythande) Sweet sleep, deep restful sleep, burrowing deep into the bedding feeling the cool calm of the fan sweeping the morning air across my naked body, my eyes half-closed. Wetness, wetness, sweet wetness felt below, feeling of skin on skin, wetness, sweethome. My eyes slowly open and I gaze upon my lover kneeling over my body, hovering over my mid-region, breathing her lifebreath over my cock, feeling her tongue bathe over the head of my sex, then engulf it into the wet heaven of her mouth, up and down, sweet loving pussy/mouth milking me. I lie back and stretch the sleep from myself, gazing down at my lover. She senses from my stretch I am now awake, removes me from her mouth, gazing at me and smiles, licking her lips with her long tongue. I see moisture formed all over her mouth as she bends down and devours me again. I lay back, reach down and stroke her hair as her head bobs up and down, devouring me in its saliva, pausing at times to lick me up and down, down, down, caressing my balls with her tongue and sweet breath, holding my now rigid cock in her hand as she lifts my balls, driving her tongue lower and lower till I feel the wetness of her mouth contact my ass, feeling the tip of her tongue teasing me, releasing me, relaxing me, exciting me. Up, up her mouth comes till once again my cock is inside her mouth, moving rapidly up and down. She moans with her mouth full of my sex. My eyes close and I surrender to the feeling as she dives deeper and deeper, in and out she takes me, fucking her mouth onto my cock, I feel the tingle, I reach down, grasping the shaft, she lifts her head off and watches while I stroke myself. She smiles at me, tells me that she wants my cum in her mouth, urges me on, extending her broad tongue wrapping around the crown, slurping, slurping while my passion builds, Faster, faster I stroke myself as the feeling builds, the urge for release comes quicker and quicker, travelling up from my balls into the shaft of my cock. I know, I feel it, I cry out. She dives her mouth once more, groaning onto my shaft, deliriously driving herself up and down, up and down, swirling tongue all over the universe that I am in. It builds, reaches, reaches, touches....until a moment when all is still--a moment locked in time, eternity, a moment later I explode deep inside her mouth. She groans and takes my seed deep inside her throat, feeling me pulse as shot after shot fires into her heavenmouth. I caress her face, feel her throat contract as she swallows my essence. She keeps on sucking, licking, devouring me with her mouth until I lay back, spent, at peace and the world a million miles away. Date: Saturday, July 23, 1994 10:41am Forum: Xrated From: Drpax Msg#: 502104 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: Lunch (Copy by Lythande) (3 replies) I call from work; my lover has taken the day off. I have a long lunch and she is nearby. I ask if she would like some company, she says she would love it. I climb the steps, sweating from the July heat, but anticipating my lover, her caress, her presence giving me peace, the feeling of her body next to mine, clothed or not, giving me solace. I arrive at her door, she has been working, but has laid her work aside: this time is for us, for us in a mad dash of passion, immediacy. We hold each other and feel our passion building wildly with each second. I reach behind and squeeze her ass, she presses against me and groans, I cup her front, she is already sopping wet, I dive my finger into her panties and feel her wet cunt, sopping with need and desire, it builds my own desire, making me mad with lust for my lover. We fall to the floor, she groans as I raise her tee shirt, exposing her breasts, her nipples extended with her passion. I capture it in my mouth and devour it, suckling it for lifemilk. While no milk comes forth, essence and sustenance does and I devour her breasts, starved for my lover. I raise my head, nuzzling her neck, nibbling her shoulder, diving my tongue under her arms where I know she will groan and press against me harder. I return to her breasts and reach down with my hand feeling her wetness again, I spread her lips and slip a finger inside her folds. She loudly groans, and presses herself into my finger. I am sucking hard on her breasts, squeezing them, trying to suck her entire breast into my mouth. The harder I suckle her, the deeper my fingers inside her probe, moving about inside her, the louder she groans and pushes herself against me. My lover wants me as I want her sometimes tenderly sometimes with animallustpassion that is rooting sluttness from both of us, approaching each other as a addict approaches his needle. My mouth leaves her breast and slides down, down, down, pausing at her navel, sucking that into my mouth. She has learned the sensuous feelings of her navel lost in my mouth, my saliva covering it, sucking it deeply into my mouth for a while.\ Still my mouth dives deeper still till I feel her wetness against my face--I am lost, I am delirious with joy, feeling her wetness against my tongue, my cheek, on my entire face. I want to dive my face into her sex, drink her, eat her, devour her. I capture her clitoris in my mouth nd suck at it, she moans, arching her back, pushing her cunt into my face, urging me onward. Words that not long ago would not come from her mouth now come with abandon "Lick my cunt, oh, eat my pussy, suck me, eat me lover, taste me!" she screams and I capture her clit and suck HARD on it till it is entirely in my mouth with my tongue swirling over it. I lose myself eating her, I begin sounding my abandon as animal grunts come from me. I love eating my lover, devouring her, licking her, tasting all her fluid, coming from inside my lover, sucking her pussy, licking eating sucking all over her slit as her juices flow freely all over my face. She starts to squirm in the bed, pressing herself against my mouth as I continue, lost in her sex. As her groans grow more urgent I know she is nearing the point of release. I momentarily bring a finger to my mouth and insert it, wetting it. I reach down while devouring pussyflesh and tease her anal opening with the fingertip. I go crazy on her sex, nodding my head back and forth, lost in its wetness. she groans in oblivion, feeling only my mouth completely covering her, sucking her. Slowly, at the right moment, I penetrate her ass with my finger, a milimeter at a time, each slight plunge brings a new groan from her mouth, The deeper I probe my finger into her anal opening the harder I eat her, the more primitive become my sounds, my actions. finally, my finger is almost all in and I suck hard on her clit. she presses HARD against my face and bounces her body, wracking her body against my face, screaming her passion as I carry her over the top and she comes, comes, comes. I suck her hard through her come, licking hard, then slowing up, caressing her with my mouth. I slowly remove my finger and continue to lick her through her descent, she pressing herself against me, sounds caught in her throat as she falls into the little comes that come with the release. I continue until I feel her body relax and I know she is swimming in her mind. I back away, slowly kissing the inside of her thighs, moving up her body till I encounter her open arms, which I dive into. she holds me close to her, I lay my head on her breast and tell her how much I love her. After a moment or two, I roll over beside her and she snuggles up with me, laying her head in the crook of my arm, as I caress her hair, idly stroking her breast and tell her with her I feel peace and all the troubles are outside and we are one together and nothing else matters but this time, this space and our humanity Date: Sunday, July 24, 1994 8:02pm Forum: Xrated From: Videoman Msg#: 502128 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: VOICE.TXT File: VOICE.TXT (Fw by Sysop) (1 reply) Hey you'all, Pat wa wanted me to download this one as soon as she had typed it out. Enjoy. \ / \/IDEOMAN......pat Date: Sunday, August 7, 1994 6:09pm Forum: Xrated From: Drpax Msg#: 506605 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: Female Ejaculation File: 506605.ATT (Fw by Lythande) (2 replies) The attached file is taken from Internet..it is a description of the phenomenon of female ejaculation--what myself and several other lucky people who have experienced this have called "squirters" Evidently, this is possible--or at least according to THIS research--for all women. Date: Thursday, August 11, 1994 5:51pm Forum: Xrated From: Videoman Msg#: 506930 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: patpoll.txt File: PATPOLL.TXT (Fw by Sysop) (1 reply) Hey, fellow bbs travellers. Pat wants me to download the file listed above for your vviewing. See you soon. \ / \/IDEOMAN....pat Date: Tuesday, August 23, 1994 8:17am Forum: Xrated From: Editor Msg#: 510316 To: Bob *EXEMPT* Re: Giving Head (Reply to #510267, Reply to #509779, Reply to #509723, R*) (2 replies) BO>The big toe up t pussy is not just in books, and pornys. It is done, has BO>been done and is exciting. The only problem is coming home and having BO>your dog want to fuck your toes. You have brought to mind an old, old joke in which the guy's foot itches like hell, so he goes to the doctor and is told he has syphillis of the big toe. The guy protests that he has never heard of that, and the doctor tells him if thinks THAT'S weird, he just treated a case of athlete's vagina. Date: Monday, September 5, 1994 6:58pm Forum: Xrated From: Videoman Msg#: 512655 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: voice2.txt File: VOICE2.TXT (Fw by Sysop) (2 replies) Hi to all the waiting masses of pat fans. Here is the much awaited second part to the voice.txt she had uploaded before. Enjoy and she does want your comments to continue. \ / \/ideoman.....pat Date: Wednesday, September 14, 1994 10:12pm Forum: Xrated From: Wayno Msg#: 514298 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: the wildest place (7 replies) ok, Here's todays quiz question, WHERE IS THE MOST UNUSUAL PLACE YOU HAD SEX? Mine was inside a pipe In Edison N.J. during a rainy night at a playground it was pretty wild you can find many interesting options! how about you? Date: Sunday, December 4, 1994 12:27pm Forum: Xrated From: Marien Msg#: 536415 To: Dti *EXEMPT* Re: Here we go, long slide down... (Copy by Sysop, Reply to #144797, Reply to #143527, Repl*) (3 replies) Well, yes, straigh to hell, and fuck you,too. Here's another one from my 17 year old's delussions: I know the ways I like to be fucked I know the different people, for different ways. Better say, I knew the people. Even in the depth of ignominy I remain Faithful (capital "f") I know there's an ultimaid way to get laid An Ultimate Fuck (capital "u", capital "f") I know what, or rather, HOW my Ultimate Fuck is. The way I ultimately want my pussy screwed, deep down inside, the way I want my ass upturned, while my Dick of Choice (read as monogamous lover) Alternately ploughs my cunt and my ass in a sort of ecstaticnon-rythm. But there are the ghosts. Of what?! Uninhibited young lust that I am Can't I ask by name the fuck that will leave us panting? sprawled on the bed Or the couch or the floor the bathroom the table How about the top of the 'frigerator? Nah. Tried it once. Nearly broke my neck, and was too worried 'bout falling to properly enjoy screwing, so scratch that. I just want to screw, and screw, and screw, without feeling this lump in my heart that society placed there The myth of sex-with-a-purpose either for love, or, ultimately, procreation! Sex for it's own sake, but not promiscuous 'Cuz you get along with this guy for Goddess knows how many months 'Cuz you really dig him 'Cuz there's nothing that you rather do Uninhibited young lust that I am I want to screw him like I've never really screwed before Like I know I can all I gotta do is try and him try with me Sweat and spit and cum and scum and I'm just getting warm. Dear Doctor Freud: I challenge thee Deep within my mind no Oedipal complex, or phalic envy, or stiff limbs representing my father to be rooted out. Uninhibited young horny lusty cunt that I am I just want to screw just me and my man who I suck olympically while he gasps, and pleads and calls me a rebel Making my pride grow as much or more as his hard prick Being the best one there is at what I do a wolverine a blood hound a cum-hound And with all this sex I may still not be satisfied. Date: Sunday, December 4, 1994 12:41pm Forum: Xrated From: Marien Msg#: 536417 To: Dti *EXEMPT* Re: Here we go, long slide down... (Copy by Sysop, Reply to #147141, Reply to #146502, Repl*) (2 replies) I'm riding the waves of a powerful hangover, I gotta get my ass in shape and ready for an interview at three, my libido hasn't been satisfied in two days (far too long) and here I am readin shit like this, which will just send all the stashed away horniness to the surface, like sunburn, like slight moist hot sticky perspiration in a summer's day. And I ain't got no one to hold me now. No one to finger my pussy and tell me how soft it is, how moist, how searing hot. No one to throw me down and drag my pants off of me, tug my shirt off over my head, nearly strangling. No one to squeeze my tits, and suck them bit them. No one to stick a finger in my cunt and feel the slight pulsations there. No one to snake down my belly and stick his face down in my pussy and eat and stick his tongue in the slit and suck and chew and tongue me down. No one to grab my hips lift them to meet their maker plunge into the depth of a fiery cunt. Ain't got no one right this instant, so I grab myself, grope myself finger myself, hands submerged in a river of slime, the ever-present river within my pussy, and I wish somebody was tonguing me there, but tough luck your riding solo today, baby, and computer sex ain't really satisfying without a partner. Date: Monday, December 5, 1994 12:04pm Forum: Xrated From: Marien Msg#: 536420 To: Dti *EXEMPT* Re: Disclaimer? (Copy by Sysop, Reply to #535782, Reply to #535781, Repl*) (2 replies) here's a little something I wrote about 2 months ago while in Arizona and virtually celibate. If you want me, just say so, who knows? You might just be the lucky one, to get me, tonight, all you have to do is tighten my wire, c'mon baby, lick my fire. Touch me, you know exactly where, how to do it, really do it, hard and fast and good and strong and long, and keep going on, and on, and on. Pumpin' me hard, burning resin, shovin, it hard, making it deep, making me scream long and loud and proud, and being just so happy that I'm getting a good lay, and was it good for you? I want more, I'll make you scream, being something fiercer than your wildest dreams. I'll suck you and fuck you, and ride you down hard; I'll make you sweat bullets and pant like a dog. Your body is mine tonight, you can't escape the fact. Between my legs, warm moisture, happiness is found, pump me a little faster liquid love abounds. Yea, I know you want me, I see it in your eyes, so fuck me well, make me beg for mercy, beg for more. Date: Friday, December 9, 1994 10:12am Forum: Xrated From: Marien Msg#: 537030 To: Synne *EXEMPT* Re: Here we go, long slide down... (Reply to #536988, Reply to #536805, Reply to #536619, R*) (1 reply) Indeed I will give you all more, but first I gotta give myself more...... Waitaminnit, there's one from last night, and is a most likely true story, so you decide. Wednesday the 7th I went to my other half's house, for when I had called from work he moaned at me seldom uttered words "I miss you, I haven't felt you in a long time", so I rush to his house to find him aqcuous and eyes liquefyed, and we held and he tells me "I haven't touched you, haven't made love to you in such a long time", I answer, not since Friday that ain't that long, and he answers, "yes it is". So we hold and cuddle and talk for a while, and all this time hes trying to get in my pants, when I inform him he can't, cuz not only I'm wearing jeans, but I got pantyhose underneath. That didn't stop him, he begs for a nice blowjob, and me being the wonderful lover that I am, accede. All this time please note, his mother is in the kitchen, his father in the living room and his brother in the room, so we're trying to be quiet. I stop, and I tell him "that's it" and he pleads "no, more, please, I almost came", so I ask him "can you come real fast?", he nods, so I set to work with renewed vigor, until I feel the pleasurable spasms almost shaking his dick right out of my mouth. He's panting and gratefully utters "I owe you one", and I think to myself, yes you do and spend the rest of the night conpletely ignited and unsatisfied till I had to go home. Next day (yesterday) I could barely keep my hands off of me, I was so hot, I couldn't wait till my lover got home from work, so I decide to surprise him by waiting for him at his stoop. This time, I'm wearing a SKIRT, and as soon as I get inside his apartment, I took off the longjohns I was wearing for insulation, leaving me underneath completely bare, and I begin to seduce him, all this time his family is still in the rooms mentioned before, but that didn't stop us, I went and sat down on top of his desk, lift up my skirt, spread my legs and begin teasing him by fingering myself, nice and slowly. He is entranced, looking at my glistening wet, pink pussy, and he is drawn to it, and starts playing with it, too, stroking it softly. I tell him "I want you, and I want you now. You owe me one so drop your pants", he does, and out springs his dick so hard and full of life, and I'm possitively melting between the legs, then slowly, deliberately, he sticks it in, I gasp a sharp intake of breath, and begin to melt further. We had a time of it, though we kept on having to jump apart at the slightest noise, but we weren't nearly done. He, having gone to the kitchen to answer a phonecall, I lay down, mildly exhausted on the bed, when he comes back he asks "what are you doing?" I answer "just layin down. What are YOU doing?" he counters "spreading your legs." So here we are on his bed, bedroom door wide open, all the family in the house, and were gently screwing on his bed, like nothing, like if we get caught we'll be in deep shit, but we don't give two fucks about anything except the actual fuck we're having, but eventually we pipe down and decide it's better to go in the hallway, so we go outside, on the stairwell, which is regularly used, cuz it's a small building and sometimes it's easier to take the stairs than to wait for the elevator. So we start screwing again, right there on the stairwell, basically oblivious, feeling each others backs, and buttocks , and he plays with my clit, and sometimes I jerk him off a bit, but by now I want to come. We solved this one by me grabing hold of the banister and of the up-going steps in front of me, I bend over all the way down, and let him give it to me doggie style, and in this way he can do it faster and harder than when we were standing up, so he's just pounding away inside me, I'm feeling his balls slap against my butt, and the very tip of his cock hitting the deep dark bottom of my pussy, and I'm swooning away, and I then begin to gasp, and squeek (we're in the hallway, we can't be too loud), and when I begin to shriek a little, tiny shrieks down in the back of my throat, he really lets loose and just shoves it in me, I'm in sevent heaven, I shake and convulse, and all this moisture from my orgasm is dripping out of me, wetting my thighs, and I come, and it felt oh-so-good. When all was said and done, I ask my lover "how about you, did you come?" and he says "no, that was all for you. I owed you one, remember?" and that right there made me think that this is one of the reasons I love this guy, he knows how to play fair. THE END "13" Date: Tuesday, December 13, 1994 5:29pm Forum: Xrated From: Marien Msg#: 538783 To: 2380 *EXEMPT* Re: B'day Hang for Sooner - December 3rd (Reply to #538761, Reply to #537885, Fw by Lythande, Rep*) (2 replies) Hmm, more details, huh? Ok, did I mention that, hot as I was, I didn't get to cum as the same time as him (cuming together is our favorite thing), and that he encouraged that I remain in action, so I nicely wound myself around him, sucked his dick till it was nice and hard once more, and with this I didn't have a problem, since he was more than willing to provide with more, then I neatly straddled his hips, guide his dick to the entrance of my pussy, and simply let myself fall down, fast and hard, giving the sensation I was gonna split myself in half. I ride him euphorically, but sort of colapse over him as the orgasm approaches. He grabs my hips bears me down in place, and proceeds to rent me appart, so deep are his thrusts. This time, I'm really cumming, hard, I'm screaming, my nails dig into his flesh, not leaving scratches, but fairly tearing the skin right off. I come, I sob and convulse, and in my intoxicated state, black out into the oblivion of satisfied sleep. Date: Sunday, December 18, 1994 6:11pm Forum: Xrated From: BigBen Msg#: 539981 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: Sex in the Workplace (Fw by Sysop) (6 replies) How many of you had sex in the workplace with coworkers. How rampant do you think this. How about starting a discussion on this topic. Date: Sunday, December 4, 1994 11:51am Forum: Xrated From: Marien Msg#: 546296 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: Deep into the bottomless pit which is my cunt (Copy by Lythande, Reply to #141989) (1 reply) Very well, except that I do not deal well with posession. Now here's a little something you might enjoy, a little something I wrote in the wee hours of the morning when I was seventeen, somewhat less refined than I am now. Heregoes: Not nearly enough. All the sex I seem to have, and it amounts to nothing. Monogamous relationship, Fidelity; loyalty Fucking just one guy. Hard. Blowing him, sucking his swollen, stiff dick till his brains gush out his ears, nose. His cum washing down my throat, calories, protein. Sucking till he busts his load like that, for the first time. Strip, twat. Blow me, get me hard. Ride me, bang me, turn around bend over, over, over. Push, shove, grind, grind, GRIND, deep into the bottomless pit which is my cunt. Then the "orgasm", that cosmic force. Or, in this case, cum running down my belly, down my back. If it's a safe day, out my pussy, dripping out, like heartbeat, like having a cold, and sneezing, and blowing your nose. And all this seems not to be nearly enough. In the middle of my hornyness, while still refusing any and every masturbatory act, I dream. Of an orgy of only two people Of sucking and fucking, and licking, and biting and doing it so hard that it hurts harder than pain and my cunt burns hotter than the deepest hell-hole and his dick never goes soft in five hours of fucking no matter how much we come I want to be eaten as if I were food, or to retaliate in kind in brutal 69. Tongues licking roughly, stabbingly, lips and teeth and spit. Hunger stronger than starvation I want to be fucked!! Through every possible hole my mouth, my twat, my ass I want to fuck like if the world will end as soon as I finish screwing. I want to fuck with him. Him thinking that I want to hug and kiss and get mushy. Will he be surprised? amazed? turned on? After all, he doesn't really know that what I want RIGHT NOW is to get fucked. Hard. Long. Very rough. A little violent. I want to be fucked, that I won't want to be fucked for a month after. All I can do in between lays is take Cold showers While my imagination runs away and gets the best of me and my restless pussy. Date: Sunday, December 4, 1994 12:41pm Forum: Xrated From: Marien Msg#: 546297 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: Here we go, long slide down... (Copy by Lythande, Reply to #147141, Reply to #146502, R*) (1 reply) I'm riding the waves of a powerful hangover, I gotta get my ass in shape and ready for an interview at three, my libido hasn't been satisfied in two days (far too long) and here I am readin shit like this, which will just send all the stashed away horniness to the surface, like sunburn, like slight moist hot sticky perspiration in a summer's day. And I ain't got no one to hold me now. No one to finger my pussy and tell me how soft it is, how moist, how searing hot. No one to throw me down and drag my pants off of me, tug my shirt off over my head, nearly strangling. No one to squeeze my tits, and suck them bit them. No one to stick a finger in my cunt and feel the slight pulsations there. No one to snake down my belly and stick his face down in my pussy and eat and stick his tongue in the slit and suck and chew and tongue me down. No one to grab my hips lift them to meet their maker plunge into the depth of a fiery cunt. Ain't got no one right this instant, so I grab myself, grope myself finger myself, hands submerged in a river of slime, the ever-present river within my pussy, and I wish somebody was tonguing me there, but tough luck your riding solo today, baby, and computer sex ain't really satisfying without a partner. Date: Monday, December 5, 1994 12:04pm Forum: Xrated From: Marien Msg#: 546300 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: Between my legs, warm moisture (Copy by Lythande, Reply to #535782, Reply to #535781, R*) (2 replies) here's a little something I wrote about 2 months ago while in Arizona and virtually celibate. If you want me, just say so, who knows? You might just be the lucky one, to get me, tonight, all you have to do is tighten my wire, c'mon baby, lick my fire. Touch me, you know exactly where, how to do it, really do it, hard and fast and good and strong and long, and keep going on, and on, and on. Pumpin' me hard, burning resin, shovin, it hard, making it deep, making me scream long and loud and proud, and being just so happy that I'm getting a good lay, and was it good for you? I want more, I'll make you scream, being something fiercer than your wildest dreams. I'll suck you and fuck you, and ride you down hard; I'll make you sweat bullets and pant like a dog. Your body is mine tonight, you can't escape the fact. Between my legs, warm moisture, happiness is found, pump me a little faster liquid love abounds. Yea, I know you want me, I see it in your eyes, so fuck me well, make me beg for mercy, beg for more. Date: Friday, December 9, 1994 12:54pm Forum: Xrated From: Marien Msg#: 546305 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: twiddling my clit at the same time (Copy by Lythande, Reply to #536704, Reply to #536561, R*) And here I am once more by myself no interview to bother me, no need to go to work today either, which means no little black stockings, but it does mean that I'm completely nude, the most natural way I can be, being the way I was when born, being the way I like to be around the house. maintaining a somewhat fevered communication with my "daddy" the sweet musky honey seeps from me unceassingly, and I have a hard time tipyng and twiddling my clit at the same time. ok, so maybe I 'm not fully nude, since the house is kinda chilly, Ive robed myself in an unbuttoned flanel shirt, which only serves to accentuate the sensuallity of my naked body, since the flanel affects my body like a hand, and makes my pussy secrete even more musky liquid, and don't I wish there was a man right next to me who I could jump and ride down hard and cum and make him cum so dry he's dehydrating. Oh, I wish I was getting laid now. I wish someone was eatin me out... Date: Saturday, January 21, 1995 5:37pm Forum: Xrated From: Vibrantm Msg#: 552913 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: Regional Sex Clubs - As Lythande Requested... (1 reply) Beginnings P.O. Box 851 D Rahway, NJ 07065 Tel. (908) 388-9106 ON-PREMISE, BYOB, Couples only, We are Beginnings, a private membership club for couples only who follow the alternate lifestyle. Our membership is limited to 300 couples. Ages range from 20's to early 50's. Average attendance is 30-40 couples. The club meets on the first and the third Saturday of each month plus specials as announced. Hours are 9:00 PM - 3:00 AM. A two level club with upper level for socializing, food service and dancing in the night club atmosphere. Our lower level features indoor and outdoor Jacuzzi's along with TV, lounge and quiet area for conversation and privacy. Located at the Tokar Bldg., 1519 Main Street Rahway. Non-Members are welcome to visit the club. Fee for one night visit is $65.00. Call for additional membership information. Intimate Friends P.O. Box 431 Somers Point, NJ 08244 Tel. (609) 823-8811 ON-PREMISE, Open Bar, Couples and Singles Discreet intimate couples private club. Share your fantasies with other discreet couples. Women to meet other women and couples, and new couples always welcome. NO pressure. Our couples are mild to WILD. Some couples swing some stay monogamous. Couples and single females only. Screening interview a must. NO SINGLE MEN! Rendezvous P.O. Box 632 POINT PLEASANT, NJ 08742 Tel. (908) 982-3057 ON-PREMISE, Couples only Top O' The Hill P.O. Box 2454 Flemington, NJ 08822 Tel. (908) 806-6785 ON-PREMISE, Open Bar, BYOB, Couples only Membership by recommendation & invitation only. Orientation meetings prior to membership (waived for members of other clubs). Dance floor, fireplace, exclusive setting, pool, bar, hot gourmet foods, meets 2nd/4th Saturday each month. Additional information available at orientation meetings. Call for reservations. Your hosts are Rita & Nick *** ** *** ** *** NEW YORK *** ** *** ** *** Anita's 89 Pearl Street New York, NY Tel. (914) 576-4773 Couples only Anita's is offering two floors of sensual surroundings for meeting and to get to know attractive couples, Valet parking, Hot Music, Dirty Dancing, Sumptuous buffet, cocktails, and enjoy the music by the best DJ. Anyone entering before 10 p.m. pays $25.00 per couple. Annual fee of $50.00, entitles members to our after-hour party at a nearby Riverview apartment, as well as a reduced fee of $30.00. Mailing address: 244 N. Avenue #104 New Rochelle, NY 10801 Couples Social Club VIP Cafe 24B Hempstead Tpke FARMINGDALE, NY 11735 Tel. (516) 756-CAFE OFF-PREMISE, Open Bar, Couples and Singles, Biweekly, Thurs Fri & Sat La Trapeze 17 E. 27th Street New York, NY 10016 Tel. (212) 532-0298 ON-PREMISE, BYOB, Couples only Le Trapeze is a private, immaculately clean, intimate and friendly Date: Monday, January 23, 1995 7:46am Forum: Xrated From: Vibrantm Msg#: 553565 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: New Yor Sex Clubs - More Complete List (1 reply) Anita's 89 Pearl Street New York, NY Tel. (914) 576-4773 Couples only Anita's is offering two floors of sensual surroundings for meeting and to get to know attractive couples, Valet parking, Hot Music, Dirty Dancing, Sumptuous buffet, cocktails, and enjoy the music by the best DJ. Anyone entering before 10 p.m. pays $25.00 per couple. Annual fee of $50.00, entitles members to our after-hour party at a nearby Riverview apartment, as well as a reduced fee of $30.00. Mailing address: 244 N. Avenue #104 New Rochelle, NY 10801 Couples Social Club VIP Cafe 24B Hempstead Tpke FARMINGDALE, NY 11735 Tel. (516) 756-CAFE OFF-PREMISE, Open Bar, Couples and Singles, La Trapeze 17 E. 27th Street New York, NY 10016 Tel. (212) 532-0298 ON-PREMISE, BYOB, Couples only Le Trapeze is a private, immaculately clean, intimate and friendly club. We are very low key with no advertising, relying on word of mouth to reach those interested in, or inclined to, an alternate lifestyle. No single men or women permitted. We have a hot and cold buffet, juice bar, two video viewing areas, private rooms, open party rooms and a Roman Bath Jacuzzi; complete with lockers, showers and towels. On wed., Fri. & Sat. there are massages for the ladies. We are open Tue - Sat. from 9PM. Membership is $25 and is good for 3 months. Dues are $60 Tue. - Thurs. and $70 Fri. - Sat. per couple. Bob, Club Manager Phoenix Social Club P.O. Box 397 New York, NY 10011 OFF-PREMISE, Open Bar, Couples only The Phoenix is Manhattan's premier off-premise swing club. We are pleased to announce its new outrageously improved location at 10 Hanover Square in the Wall Street area of Manhattan. Hank & Diane manage the club. Tony, who owns The Phoenix, understands the needs of swingers at an off-premise club. The food is the same as always; Terrific. A new music system assures lots of dancing and socializing. The place is elegant with those little nooks and crannies that make it special when a swing couple makes contact with another. The dance floor is just the right size to keep everyone together. Tony promises that this New Years Eve will bring back memories of the HOTTEST times in the off-premise clubs. Every weekend has a different event including: Bare as you Dare, Leather/Lace, Sexy Legs, etc. FEE: $25 members, $35 non-members. Annual membership, not required, is $50. Socials P.O. Box 297 New York, NY 10019 Tel. (212) 265-2141 ON-PREMISE Our club is for couples and singles. Parties are held in members homes and we inform members of parties taking place in their area. They are also referred to other members for individual meetings as well as other adult clubs in their area. Information and application will be sent to all who inquire. We have members throughout the U.S., Canada and overseas. Undercover P.O. Box 242 Lindenhurst, NY 11757-0242 Tel. (516) 349-8847 OFF-PREMISE, Open Bar, Couples only We are 'the' place to go on Saturday nights. 100-150 couples attend every week to mingle and dance to the music of a top D.J. Couples come from the entire tri-state area to spend Saturday nights at our club. New Couples find a friendly and exciting atmosphere that is totally non-threatening. Almost everyone returns [over and over again] after visiting Undercover. Admission is $25.00 per couple which includes a full buffet dinner and two drinks. We are now open Date: Monday, January 23, 1995 7:46am Forum: Xrated From: Vibrantm Msg#: 553566 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: Pennsylvania Sex Clubs Pocono Paradise Social Club (PPSC) P.O. Box 411 Wind Gap, PA 18091 Tel. (717) 629-0804 ON-PREMISE, BYOB, Couples only Nestled in the beautiful Pocono mountains, P.P.S.C. has been created for friendly, up-scale couples, and very select single ladies only, who enjoy elegance along with friendships and sensual pleasures...Our members-only socials are held in an exclusive, secure, intimate and erotic, on-premise, 8,300 square foot facility which features: 20X40 indoor swimming pool, 3,000 sq.ft. 5 level party deck with built-in hot tub, dance floor, billards room, big screen TV showing adult movies, candle-lit cafe, tables at poolside much more. Call or write for our free information packet. Then attend our FREE get acquainted social held every Saturday, from 6-8pm. Confidentiality is expected and assured. Rock Top The Cottage P.O. Box 3713 Gettysburgh, PA 17325 Tel. (717) 334-0882 ON-PREMISE, BYOB, Couples and Singles This is an ON PREMISE club but with no obligations. New comers are welcomed and papmpered. BYOB, with all set-up and snacks provided. We offer open and private rooms, jacuzzi, game room, dance floor with D.J., bar, lockers,and over night accomodations. Open every Friday for couples and singles. Open every Friday for couples and singles and Saturday for couples only The last Saturday open to couples and singles (Singles must have attended a Friday night). Overnight accommodations available on a first reserved basis for $20. We have open and closed rooms. Door donations: $90 single males, $50 couples, $1 single females. Call or write for more information. The Club P.O. Box 352 Greentown, PA 18426 Tel. (717) 857-1745 OFF-PREMISE, Open Bar, Couples only We are the only swing club in the Poconos. Members come from the surrounding areas of Scranton and Stroudsburgh. We are right in the middle on Route 191 between the towns of Newfoundland and LaAnna (Lake Walenpapupack). Functions are held at "La Clave" under The Camera Inn, South Sterling, Rte. 191. Open from 8PM until 2AM Saturday nights only. Overnight on weekend accommodations available (call for reservations) at $35.00 a room per night. Lifetime membership $20.00 Entrance Fee $15.00. Ask for Sharon The Mountain Retreat P.O. Box 86 Brier Hill, PA 15415 Tel. (412) 246-8012 ON-PREMISE, BYOB, Couples and Singles Couples and single females only. Swing and swim clothing optional pool parties, 7 days a week, Noon til 6 p.m. $20 per couple, single ladies FREE. Swing parties every Friday (8 p.m. - 1 a.m.) and Saturday (8 p.m. - 2 a.m.) only $25 per couple - no charge for single ladies. Private and group rooms, showers, picnic tables, pool & jacuzzi, large screen tv for adult video viewing. Call or write for membership interview and more information. Date: Friday, February 17, 1995 11:39pm Forum: Xrated From: Vibrantm Msg#: 563351 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: SEXINET.FAQ Internet Sexual Resources Guide File: SEXINET.FAQ (Fw by Lythande) The attached is a guide to sexual resources available through the Internet. It was updated 2-16-95. Date: Monday, February 27, 1995 8:41am Forum: Xrated From: Marien Msg#: 566707 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: Lover (1 reply) Another little something I came up with while in Arizona, when I was slamming into walls sexless for two months. This one is sorta mild, but the word play is erotically pleasing, I think. Erotic dream, neurotic mind working overtime. Now is my turn to speak my mind out, so let me tell you; I fiend to feel, to fuck, to lust, to fall down into whom can feel me up and fill me down. I need to lie in a puddle of sweat, and sigh and moan, and be torn apart and put together and be taken to great heights and brought back down. I want to ride the wave and slam it down, I want to drink of the lips that kiss me breathless, convulsing all the while to the eternal rythm of internal drums. And when my wail and my scream reach that glass-shattering pitch, I'll know that all's well, and I've come, and all over I want to do it again. Date: Wednesday, November 30, 1994 8:39pm Forum: Xrated From: Al26 Msg#: 574971 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: Hey- I love to have sex with my wi (Fw by Lythande, Fw by Sysop) (9 replies) wife, sometimes I think about other people....Is this normal? Date: Monday, April 24, 1995 2:09pm Forum: Xrated From: Marien Msg#: 585840 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: While I was drunk... (2 replies) Friday, while I was drunk, I was coming home, draging Otherhalf along, arguing at our best, when somehow his tomgue was having a nice personal conversation with my tonsils, so we proceeded to make out on top of a car. We figure we'd be better off walking up the 1 block left to my house, and find ourselves a nice and propper bed where to fuck our drunken asses off. So we wobbled halfway up the block, when Otherhalf asks nicely and polite for a blowjob, and I was gonna speed up the pace so we could reach my house so we could get *down* to business, but lo and behold, i find myselfon my knees on the sidewalk 2 ayem friday nite and with a dick in my mouth, niiiice, never been more inot it. When my drunken self began to fall backwards from my sucking position, I was suddenly lifted and placed lovingly face up on top of some car parked at the curb, and Otherhalf proceded to pull down my jeans, unbutton my shirt, and then, he was Inside, bliss, wonderful, hard, and we came and, clothes still unbuttoned and undone (though we did pull our pants up, I dont think we remembered to zip them up As well) we tottered still mad drunkenly home, to do it all over again, on top of the aforementioned proper bed. And this has been a true story, if you want to believe it :) Date: Wednesday, May 17, 1995 6:49am Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 595092 To: Faz *EXEMPT* Re: Four is such a nice numbere for people (Reply to #594895, Reply to #594818, Reply to #594049, R*) (3 replies) FA>Four? Why four....an orgy or summin like that? FA>Cant have an orgy with three cause the last person will go "Aw Gee FA>theres only three" FA>heheheh! FA>Any preference for even numbers? Four isn't an orgy! Four is just two couples..... Three is a threesome - definitely not an orgy. Even numbers mean two couples - in any combination that four people can think of. Date: Tuesday, May 23, 1995 7:53am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 599518 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: Campaign to Stop the Exon/Gorton CAct (Copy by Lythande, Copy by Lythande) I found this posted on the net. I think this is a vital interest for ALL of us on this board, despite our political differences. I would also ask that those of you who visit the "kinkier" sigs on the board to spread the word about this. The very existence of those sigs is directly threated now. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Campaitn to Stop the Exon/Gorton Communications Decency Act Update: Bill is on the Senate floor Please act to help Senator Leahy stop the Exon censorship bill ------------------------------------------------------------------------ THE TIME IS NOW--HELP SENATOR LEAHY STOP THE EXON COMMUNICATIONS DECENCY ACT The Senate is expected to vote the Communications Decency Act (a.k.a the Exon bill) within the next three weeks. The Communications Decency Act, in its current form, would severely restrict your rights to freedom of speech and freedom of expression online, and represents a grave threat to the very nature and existence of the Internet as we know it today. Without your help now, the Communications Decency Act will likely pass and the net may never be the same again. Although the CDA has been revised to limit the liability of online service providers, it would still criminialize the transmission of any content deemed "obsense, lewd, lacivious, filthy, or indecent,", including the private communications between consenting adults. Even worse, some conservative pro-censorship groups are working to amend the CDA to make ti evern more restrictive. In an effort to preserve your rights in cyperspace, Senator patrick leahy (D-VT) has introduced the only legislative alternative to the Communications Decency Act. Senator Leahy is willing to offer his bill as as substitute for the CDA, but he needs yor suport behind his efforts. Senator Leahy's legisilation would commission a study to examine the compelx issues involved in protecting children from controversial content while preserving the First Amendment, the privacy rights of users, and the free flow of information in cyperspace. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ANOTHER PETITION? Yes. With a strong showing of support from the net community, Senator Leahy can offer his bill as a substitute for the Communications Decency act when the Senator votes on the issue later this month. Senator Leahy needs and wants to demonstrate to his colleagues in the Senator that the net community is behind him in his efforts. We must rise to the task and demonstrate that we will not sit idly by as our rights are being threatened. Senator Leahy, a strong civil liberties advocate, has been the Senate's most vocal critic of the exon/Gorton Communications Decency Act, and has taken a leading role in defending the rights and civil liberties of Internet users on Capital HIll. The time has come for us to show our appreciation and our suport for his efforts. The previous petition against the Communications Decency Act generated over 108,000 signatures, and was instrumental in Senator Leahy's decision ot offer his alternative. As the Senate moves to vote on the CDA, we must act quickly to ensure that our collective voice continues to be heard. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ WHAT IS LEAHY PROPOSING? Senator Leahy's bill, S. 714, would direct the Department of Justice and the Deaprtment of Commerce to commence a 5 month study to examine: * Current law enforcement authority to preosecute the distribution of pornography over computer networks. *Whether any additional law or law enforcement resources are necessary; *Whether any additional law or law enforcement resources are necessary; * The avaliabability of technological capabilities, consistent with the First Amendement and the free flow of information in Cyperspace, to protect children from acessing controversail commercial and non-commercial content; * Ways to promote the development and deployment of such technolgies. After conducting the study, the Justice Department must report to Congress on its finindings, and, if necessary, recommend changes in current law. Leahy's bill represents the only substantive legislative alternative to the Communications Decency Act, and will buy important time to have a detailed and rational discussion about the issues involved in protecting children from controversail content, and avoid the rush to cnesorhiship which is occurring now on the Senate floor. Without a strong show of support for Leahy's bil, The Commucniations Decency Act is very likely to pass. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ WHAT CAN I DO? Please sign the pettion in support of Senator Leahy's alternative. There are two ways to sign: 1. World Wide Web: URL: http://www.cdt.org/petiiotn.html Please follow all instructions carefully. Please also put a link to this page on your homepage. 2. (internet) email: send email to petition @cdt.org. Please provide the folowing information EXACTLY AS SHOWN. INCORRECT SUBMISSIONS CANNOT BE COUNTED1 Be sure that you make a carriage return at the end of each line. Your name Your e mail address Are you a US citizen (yes or no) (***IF NO, skip to the last line.) Your street address (***USE ONLY ONE LINE) Your city Your state Your zip code (*** VERY IMPORTANT) Country PRIVACY POLICY: Information collection during this campaign will nto be used for any purpose other thand delivering a list of signeres to Congress and compliling counts of signers from particular states and Congressional districts. It will not be reused, sold, rented, loaned, or abailable for use for any other purpose. All recorsd will be destroyed immediately upon completion of this project. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ THE PETITION STATEMENT We, the undersigned users of the Internet are strongly opposed to the "Communications Decency Act" (Title IV of S. 652), which is currently pending before the Senate. This legilsation will severely restrict our rights to freedome of speech and privacy guaranted under the Constitution. Based on our Nation's longstanding history of protecting freedome of speech, we believe that the Federal Goverment should have no role in regulating the content of constitutionally protected sppech on the Internet. We urge the Senate to halt consideration of the Communications Decency act and consider in its place S. 714, the "Child Protection, User Empoerment, and Free Expression In Interactive Media Study Bill", an alternative approach offered by Senator Patrick Leahy (D-VT). Signed: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ FOR MORE INFORMATION petition upates will be posted to appropriate newsgroups and other forums on a regualar bassis. For more information on the Communicates Decency Act issue: Web Sites URL::http://www/cdt.org/cda.html URL: http://www.eff.org/pub/Alerts/ URL: http://www.panix.com/vtw/exon/ (Vida made a typo on the first url. It should read: http://www.cdt.org/cda.html) FTP Archives URL: ftp://ftp.cdt.org/pub.cdt/policy/freespeech/OO-INDEX.FREESPEECH URL: ftp:??ftp.eeff.org/pub/Alerts/ (Another typo there!!! damn it! The second URL should read: URL: ftp://ftp.eff.org/pub/Alerts/ Gopher archives: URL:gopher:///gopher.eff.org/11/Alerts gopher:///gopgher.panix.com/11/vtw/exon Information by Auto-reply e mail: If you do not have acess to any of the above, you can get up to date informationfrom the following autobots: General information on the CDA issue ca-info@cdt.org Curent status fo the CDA issue cda-stat@cdt.org(Typo above for general information cda-info@cdt.org. Chronology of events of the CDA issue vtw@vtw.org with the subject "send events". ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please accept my apologies for the typos. I still don't know how to download from the net and upload that info here. What I have been doing when I share the goodies from the net is get a print out of the info and then type it BY HAND here! It's long, tedious work. And I sometimes make typos. HEY DR. PAX YOU GOT TO GIVE ME A LESSON ON THIS!!!! YOU MUMBLED SOMETHING ABOUT "BUFFERS" BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT OR HOW TO DO IT! Date: Thursday, June 8, 1995 5:01pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 603614 To: Faz *EXEMPT* Re: Amateur films (Reply to #603350, Reply to #603097, Reply to #603026, R*) (2 replies) Remember the woman's chief errogenous zone is her heart. If you keep that in mind, you will succeed! Date: Saturday, June 10, 1995 8:35am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 604099 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: New Identity (2 replies) I just read a posting on a bi mailing list on internet with a new word to describe my sexual identity--a byke. I love it, I love it! And I especially loved that the woman who called herself a byke got all sorts of crude, rude sexual inneudos directed at her. (hint, hint, especially to any females reading this post). Date: Sunday, June 11, 1995 9:01pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 604618 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: Exon censorship bill File: CENSOR.TXT I am intentionally posting this in X rated because I want it to reach as many of you as possible who don't read the Current Events sig. This directly effects this sig, as well as other of the adult sigs on the board. Please spread the word around. This is also the first time I am trying a transfer of material from the net. The file that I am transfering has a lot of extraneous crap on it. I am sorry for that. I haven't figured out yet how to edit the stuff that I am downloading from the net yet. Any way, this is of vital importance so spread the word among all the people you know that are on line. The survival of BBSes and the net as we know it as at stake here folks. Date: Saturday, June 17, 1995 9:56am Forum: Xrated From: Merlin Msg#: 606858 To: Lythande *EXEMPT* Re: CENSORSHIP - PLEASE READ (Reply to #606372) (1 reply) This is a very important issue, as Lythande says. What can you do about it? Very simple...call your congressman. And, while you're at it, why not use an 800 number that was set up for this purpose by the Religious Right? Yes, you read that correctly. The RR set up an 800 number that rings at the capital building (or something like that). My guess is that the 800# simply forwards the calls there. At any rate, let them pay for your call, your demand, that the Exon bill or others like it don't pass or, if they do, that President Clinton vetoes it. The # is 800-768-2221. Give it a try. I know I'm going to. Date: Friday, July 7, 1995 11:15pm Forum: Xrated From: PeterLC Msg#: 613434 To: Faz *EXEMPT* Re: Incestuous oral-pubic depilatory native rituals (Reply to #612974, Reply to #612826, Reply to #611123, R*) (4 replies) Actually, I spent four years researching the incestous oral-pubic depilatory rituals of the natives of the island of Oronte Jibo. :) PLC Date: Saturday, July 8, 1995 10:14am Forum: Xrated From: Lady Oh Msg#: 613605 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: Asian Women (5 replies) I have been reading all the messages and want to know just how many men find Asian women more appealing and exactly why? Is it just their looks or how they perform during sex? Date: Wednesday, July 12, 1995 4:40pm Forum: Xrated From: Vibrantm Msg#: 614841 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: SYDETAIL.TXT 12K text file about Sybian Machine File: SYDETAIL.TXT (2 replies) Attached is the file SYDETAIL.TXT discussing the Sybian female erotic stimulation machine more fully than in the previous, introductory post. Date: Wednesday, July 12, 1995 4:48pm Forum: Xrated From: Vibrantm Msg#: 614842 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: SYBI.GIF Sybian Erotic Machine Illustration File: SYBI.GIF Attached is the 554K file SYBI.GIF, illustrating the Sybian erotic stimulus machine for women, discussed in the previous two posts. Date: Sunday, August 6, 1995 12:16pm Forum: Xrated From: Daliah Msg#: 623068 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: Threesomes (9 replies) This question goes out to they men of AH. Now I know that many men love the idea of sleeping with two women, however, how many menfind it erotic to have sex with a woman and another man, even if the sex was focused only on the woman, (meaning there wouldn't have to be gay contact). I have had this fantasy of two men pleasing me for the longest time and even my most recent x would have agreed to another woman without hesitation, but never to another man. It's very distressing. Date: Monday, August 7, 1995 8:40pm Forum: Xrated From: Wanderer Msg#: 623422 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: hi folks!!! (3 replies) so how is rverybody out there? good & horny?great. now lets all take our clothes of and sit in a circle,ladies you may put your hand into the lap of the person next to you,if it is a male gently massage his penis with your hand,if it is a female and you are so inclined,gently run your finger over her clit. gentlemen,if the person next to you is female gently run your fingers over her clit,if it is another male and you are so inclined gently run your fingers over his penis. Date: Tuesday, September 19, 1995 12:53pm Forum: Xrated From: Vibrantm Msg#: 636408 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: NYC Sex Calendar, Sept Oct 95 File: TOPHAT.TXT (Fw by Lythande) (1 reply) The enclosed file, too long to post directly, is a text file listing sex events in the New York metropolitan area. Date: Sunday, November 19, 1995 11:01am Forum: Xrated From: Lady Oh Msg#: 653251 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: Anatomy (2 replies) How many women out there think that a nice butt is the part of the anatomy a woman looks first at? Date: Tuesday, November 21, 1995 9:56pm Forum: Xrated From: Rosanna Msg#: 653689 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: Happy Thanksgiving!!! (Copy by Lythande) (6 replies) Hi everybody..... It's me Rosanna!!!! did ya miss me??!! well i just want 2 wish every1 a happy thanksgiving..... and 2 let you know.... i'm Baaaack!!!!! :) P.S. I have a question... I guess it geared 2 the guys, but if u girls have something 2 say, please add ur 2 cents in... do guys penis' always lean to 1 side?... either right or left... is there any guy the have a straight penis??? I'm just curious [B Rosannaa /s Date: Sunday, August 25, 1991 5:32pm Forum: Xrated From: Phoenix Msg#: 656963 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: Lord Imelda Meets Santa Claus (Fw by Lythande, Fw by Lythande, Copy by Sysop, Fw by Ly*) (2 replies) I'm dedicating this one to you... thanks for the literary inspiration. Looking forward to being further "inspired"... And now...with apologies to C.C. Moore... 'Twas the night before Christmas. At the back of the house Lord Imelda was stuffing his ass with a mouse. The stockings were hung, and the women were bare, And the men were well-hung...that's why they were there. Don T. was entangled in sheets in his bed While visions of fishnet hose danced in his head. Lythande positioned her cervical cap, While the Sysop inserted his tongue in her lap. Then out on the fire-escape came such a clatter, Phoenix rose from the fire to see what was the matter. Away to the window, where naked, she flashed At all of the neighbors, who shuddered and gasped. She mooned them, and jiggled her breasts, white as snow, Causing eyeballs to pop from pedestrians below. When what to her wondering eyes should appear But some guy wearing fur and high boots. Hey! A queer? He opened his zipper, and pulled out his dick. And somehow, she knew that this must be St. Nick. More rapid than bunnies, he jerked off and came, And whistled and shouted, and moaned out these names: "Oy! Lythande! Oh! Sysop! Ooh! Don T. Ahhh! Phoenix! Merlin! Shin! Synne! Scarlett! Quick, gimme a kleenex! On top of the bed! Put your feet up the wall! Now come again! Come again! Come again all!" And when that old reprobate finished his cry, He shuddered and moaned, and then zipped up his fly. "I'm looking" he said "for someone to do.. And I've heard Lord Imelda is do-able too!" Lord Imelda emitted the mouse with a "poof!" And hurriedly pulled riding boots on his hoof. He hobbled on into the room with a bound To check out St. Nick. He cried "WHAT is this SOUND? And WHO is this man wearing SUCH divine boots? And pssst! Could you happen to spare me two toots?" "Hey man!" said St. Nick,"This here snow on my back Is REAL snow y'know...I'm so sorry Mac!" Lord I. didn't buy it...he wasn't no cherry... But he knew he'd get even, and so he stayed merry. St. Nick was most definitely not in the know... For Lord I. was after much more than some blow. With help from the rest, Lord I. pinned Nick beneath, And began to attack him with prick and with teeth. DTI tied St. Nick to the floor on his belly, And Brandie greased Nick with jalapeno jelly. Lythande was laughing in spite of herself At the sight of this hog-tied and bugger-prone elf. Santa quivered and quaked, as his mind filled with dread. "Oh please!" he exclaimed "I just wanted some head!" Lord Imelda said nothing, but went straight to work, Nailing Santa Claus's ass to the rug with a jerk. Meanwhile, Phoenix happily sat on Nick's nose, And Merlin kept busy trying on Santa's clothes. Lythande said "That's enough...just punish a bissle..." And Eddie the Sysop emitted a whistle. And we heard him exclaim, as he screamed in the night "Merry Christmas you pricks! You got herpes tonight!" Hope y'all enjoyed this little ditty! love, ___ ====}/)hoenix ==}/ Date: Monday, December 11, 1995 4:16am Forum: Xrated From: Vibrantm Msg#: 657509 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: Measuring Up - On Topic Here, Indeed (2 replies) The following is *not* my original authorship - just an amusing but genuine notice from the wide world of Internet advertising this month: ================================================================ Are you... (*) ...a man hung 8 inches or more, looking for a woman? (*) ...a woman in search of a very well-endowed man? (*) ...a couple looking for an extra lover with those extra inches? Then THE HUNG JURY is for you! THE HUNG JURY is an exclusive club for well-endowed men and women who think big. THE HUNG JURY was founded in the '70s in Los Angeles and is the only dating service of its kind. We have been featured several times in magazine and on television. THE HUNG JURY is a serious contact club. All member information is kept in the strictest confidence. THE HUNG JURY has several hundred members worldwide. Our magazine, "Measuring Up", containing member ads and other interesting info, is distributed between two and four times a year to THJ members only. To become a member, call 213-850-3618 for a voice-mail message about how to apply. To receive a sample copy of "Measuring Up", in which all club info is given, send $15 (cheque or cash) and a 9" by 12" orange Manila self-addressed envelope with 78c postage to: T.H.J. P.O. Box 1443 Studio City, California 91614 If you are a well-hung man and want to apply straight away, send the following to the above address: (1) Your name, address and age. Your telephone number (optional). (2) The length of your penis, measured *from the balls* (i.e. underneath). Alternatively, measure the top side of your penis and add an inch. Note that you must measure 8 inches or more. If there's a "Mistress of Measurements" near to you, we will arrange an appointment so your penis can be measured. (3) The circumference of your penis (i.e. measured around with a tape measure). (4) A full figure photograph, nude, clearly showing your face and erect penis. This is to prevent fake applications. (5) The membership fee which is $50 if a U.S. resident. International membership is $60. (6) For a photo ad in "Measuring Up", add $10 and include the text of your ad. Please indicate if you want your eyes or face masked out. Date: Monday, December 25, 1995 4:33pm Forum: Xrated From: Vibrantm Msg#: 661002 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: Sandy Hook Suns - Nudist Group with NJ Focus (1 reply) There is a general contact telephone number for the Sandy Hook Suns. It is 908 291-1736. Not only does this organization help maintain the quality of the Sandy Hook, NJ nude beach experience, but they also sponsor winter nude swim parties in Northern/Central New Jersey. Call the above for details. Date: Saturday, December 23, 1995 3:42pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 661030 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: Perhaps you need some lessons in those positions? (Fw by Lythande, Reply to #657195, Reply to #656947, Rep*) (4 replies) -------------< COMMENTS BY Lythande >-------------- To: Vida ----------< END OF COMMENTS BY Lythande >---------- VI>I really can't or don't. That's the real reason I don't '69' too often. VI>If I could get into it I would be more creative in finding those other VI>positions which you refered to. :) Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Since you haven't found those positions, perhaps you need some lessons? Date: Monday, January 15, 1996 3:03am Forum: Xrated From: Akira Msg#: 667026 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: Music & Sex (6 replies) Hell! I just wrote a post and frigging deleted it. SHIT! Okay, here I go again: I was just wondering what types of music people listen to as they do the deed. My personal favorites are: Last of the Mohican Soundtrack Batman Forever Soundtrack Shaggy - Boombastic 12" NIN - Pretty Little Hate Machine Lords of Acid - Lust Beastie Boys - Pauls Boutique Parliment - *anything* So what's your favortie tunes? Greg -If only I had my own personal soudtrack...... Date: Saturday, January 27, 1996 3:31am Forum: Xrated From: Johndrake Msg#: 670690 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: When a man gets his rocks off by thinking about it (Fw by Lythande, Reply to #661507, Reply to #5433) (4 replies) -------------< COMMENTS BY Lythande >-------------- TO: Erica ----------< END OF COMMENTS BY Lythande >---------- Umm...welll I gather there was no self control for the poor ex.. Actually I did read and or hear about how it's mega pleasurable when a guy gets his rocks off by thinking of it..but ...Not touching it..or anyone else doing the performed ..ahem..thing Date: Tuesday, January 30, 1996 5:45am Forum: Xrated From: Erica Msg#: 671492 To: Lythande *EXEMPT* Re: Breast man. (Reply to #671119, Reply to #670915, Reply to #670579, R*) (3 replies) LY>ER>A breast joke?? I thought you guys (breast men) like big firm breasts? LY>Not all of them.....some like small firm breasts or big, bouncy ones. LY> This is true. A lot of them like the big firm ones though. Like them to look like young girl breasts but big..basically the fake tits. --- þ SLMR 2.0 þ It's only a hobby ... only a hobby ... only a Date: Monday, February 26, 1996 9:22am Forum: Xrated From: Vibrantm Msg#: 680191 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: Public Service Announcement (3 replies) February 1996 - - This floated in from the Internet; not my authorship. ========================================== TOP CONDOM SLOGANS 1) Cover your stump before you hump. 2) Before you attack her, wrap your whacker. 3) Don't be silly, protect your Willie. 4) When in doubt shroud you spout. 5) Don't be a loner, cover your boner. 6) You can't go wrong, if you shield your dong. 7) If your not going to sack it, go home and whack it. 8) If you think she's spunky, cover your monkey. 9) It will be sweeter if you wrap your peter. 10) If you slip between her thighs, condomize. 11) She won't get sick if you wrap your dick. 12) If you go into heat, package your meat. 13) While your undressing Venus, dress up your penis. 14) When you take off her pants and blouse, suit up your mouse. 15) Especially in December, gift wrap your member. 16) Never ever deck her, with an unwrapped pecker. 17) Don't be a fool, vulcanize your tool. 18) The right selection, is to protect your erection. 19) Wrap it in foil, before you check her oil. 20) A crank with armor, will never harm her. 21) If you really love her, wear a cover. 22) Don't make a mistake, cover your snake. 23) Sex is cleaner with a packaged wiener. 24) If you can't shield your rocket, leave it in your pocket. 25) No glove, no love. 26) If you think she'll sigh, cover old one eye. 27) Even If she's eager, protect her beaver. 28) No one likes a horses ass, protect yourself at climax. 29) Shield her from the hunt until you shoot her in the cunt. 30) Avoid a frown, contain your clown. 31) Harness the pygmy man before entering the bearded clam. 32) Constrain the little head before you stick it in the shed. 33) Put a condom on your dink before you dart it in her sink. 34) The weasel you must surround before you please her on the ground. 35) Cloak the joker before you poke her. 36) Encase that torch before you paint her porch. 37) Cape your throbber before you bob her. 38) After detection sheath your erection. 39) Before you penetrate hide your magistrate. 40) Don't surprise her plug your Geyser. 41) Cover that lumber before you pump her. 42) Protect her wrinkle before you sprinkle. 43) She won't bristle if you wrap your whistle. 44) House your noodle then release your strudel. 45) Put your dog in the pound and make her yelp like a hound. 46) Shelter your jerky then nab that turkey. 47) Cage that snake then shake and bake. 48) Cover your peter it will be much neater. 49) Coat that Labrador then allow him to explore. 50) It's always funky to cage your monkey. 51) It won't be funny with a coatless dummy. 52) It won't be fun with an unwrapped thumb. 53) It's not much money to catch your honey. 54) Don't be a fool cover your tool. 55) Hood that match then scratch that thatch. 56) Stitch that switch then itch her niche. 57) Wrap that tool to catch the drool. 58) It ain't no jibe to protect her hive. 59) Contain that sputum before you use him. 60) Restrain your log then plow her bog. 61) Glove your pecker before you check her. 62) Coat that slimmer before you prime her. 63) Condomize then womanize. 64) Cover old pete then grind her meat. 65) Guard your peter before you meet her. 66) Check your list before you tryst. 67) Wrap your bate before you mate. 68) Can your worm before you squirm. 69) Cover your pipe you dumb ass wipe. 70) Contain your lizard then tickle her gizzard. 71) Bag the mole then do her hole. 72) Cuff your carrot before you share it. 73) Jail your number then call the plumber. 74) Cover your vein then drive her insane. 75) Wrap that pickle then slip her a tickle. 76) Protect your dink then fluff her mink. 77) Restrain your lantern then stick it in her cavern. 78) Hide ole harry then take her cherry. 79) Wrap that spout then bore her out. 80) Conceal your train don't cause her pain. 81) Guard your bridge then do her ridge. 82) Shroud your trout then make her shout. 83) To make her squat like a turkey, cover your Jerky. 84) Box your blister then poke her in the whiskers. 85) Wrap your spout to catch the trout. 86) Plug your funnel then enter the tunnel. 87) Cover your steamer before you ream her. 88) Protect that fish then dip it in the dish. 89) Contain that bass for a swim in her glass. 90) Be sure to wear it to feed her ferret. 91) Clothe the boner before you hone her. 92) Got no protection? Can't use your erection!. 93) Cork your pump or you don't hump. 94) No unwrapped stags get between my legs. 95) Dress that erection to make a deflection. 96) Contain that shanker before you spank her. 97) Cap that seeder before you breed her. 98) Stop the stream before you cream. 99) Secure that ladder then drain your bladder. 100) Protect your screw to catch that glue. 101) Package your meat for a real neat treat. 102) Holster your gun then shootings more fun. 103) Canvas that trailer before you nail her. 104) Garage the tractor then attack her. 105) Net that grass hopper before you pop her. 106) Sock that wanger before you bang her. 107) Pen that rooster, she'll be much looser. 108) Trim your hardwood then do her real good. 109) Garnish your oak then give her a poke. 110) Pouch your associate then go fornicate. 111) Smother your affiliate before you ejaculate. 112) Confine your fascinate before it regurgitates. 113) Catch that goat before it bloats. 114) Ensnare that barbarian then do her abdomen. 115) Restrain your hammer then wam bam her. 116) Prune that stalk then make her squawk. 117) Wrap that rod then please her bod. 118) Sheath that knife she ain't your wife. 119) House that bottle then mash her throttle. 120) Sash that hash then thrash that gash. 121) Cover your diddle then fiddle her middle. 122) Can your knob then throb her swab. 123) Contain old Doug then clean her rug. 124) Cover your limb before you swim. 125) Retain your bailer then impail her. 126) Rope your dope then make some soap. 127) Net your salamander then make salad in her. 128) Cap your flapper then sniff her snapper. 129) Wrap that Steed then trample her weeds. 130) Hat that chef then scramble her cleft. 131) Cover your stone before you bone. 132) House your hose then curl her toes. 133) Saddle your penis then straddle her mean ass. 134) Blanket your twitch then hump that bitch. 135) Shield your rocks then pond her box. 136) Cover old sly then do her dry. 137) Wrap your rail then fill her pail. 138) Glove your chimney before you come in me. 139) If your nude tube your dude. 140) Cloak your hitter then go split her. 121) Cover your diddle then fiddle her middle. 122) Can your knob then throb her swab. 123) Contain old Doug then clean her rug. 124) Cover your limb before you swim. 125) Retain your bailer then impail her. 126) Rope your dope then make some soap. 127) Net your salamander then make salad in her. 128) Cap your flapper then sniff her snapper. 129) Wrap that Steed then trample her weeds. 130) Hat that chef then scramble her cleft. 131) Cover your stone before you bone. 132) House your hose then curl her toes. 133) Saddle your penis then straddle her mean ass. 134) Blanket your twitch then hump that bitch. 135) Shield your rocks then pond her box. 136) Cover old sly then do her dry. 137) Wrap your rail then fill her pail. 138) Glove your chimney before you come in me. 139) If your nude tube your dude. 140) Cloak your hitter then go split her. 141) Wrap your nipper before you dip her. 142) Can your spam then bam that mam. 143) Corral your ram then slice her ham. 144) Sheath your sliver then jab her liver. 145) Twist your wick then stick that prick. 146) Cover old Bart then dart her tart. 147) Shed old spot then do her slot. 148) Drawer your pip then split her lips. 149) Contain that leach then mash her peach. 150) Bag your elm then take the helm. 151) Constrain your gem to catch the flem. 152) Catch that head cheese or I won't spread these. 153) Constrain that agate you ain't no faggot. 154) Survey your land then plant her stand. 155) Before you drive her protect that diver. 156) Sack that slimy smelt then tan her beaver pelt. 157) Wrap that stiffer then let him sniff her. 158) Cover you post then slice her roast. 159) Blanket old juicy then plug old loosey. 160) Balloon your baboon the moon tune her poon. 161) Contain that viper before you pipe her. 162) Wrap your whopper then go bop her. Date: Wednesday, March 6, 1996 1:07am Forum: Xrated From: Vibrantm Msg#: 682474 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: Sexual Enlightment - Reference Bulletin (2 replies) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 - Internet SEXUAL RESOURCE GUIDE AND READING LIST Emphasizing National, Seattle, and Portland Resources Last Modified on March 4, 1996 Maintained by the Society for Human Sexuality at the University of Washington The latest version of this document may be obtained through the Society for Human Sexuality WWW page at http/weber.u.washington.edu/~sfpse/ CONTENTS * INTRODUCTION * BOOKS * MAGAZINES * VIDEOS * NATIONAL INFORMATION LINES * NATIONAL ORGANIZATIONS * NATIONAL MAIL ORDER SUPPLIES, BOOKS, AND VIDEOS INTRODUCTION This document will give you starting places to learn about and develop your sexuality. Most of the resources mentioned will be of value regardless of where you live. All of the books mentioned in this document are still in print. Thus, you may special order them from almost any bookstore, regardless of where you live, by knowing only the title and/or author. BOOKS _The Good Vibrations Guide to Sex_ by Cathy Winks and Anne Semans This book is the single best reference we know of on general sexuality. It also contains a fantastic resource listing in the back. We strongly everyone to read this book. It contains basic anatomical information, but the bulk of it is devoted to a comprehensive and judgement-free detailing of how human sexuality can be expressed and shared. _Human Sexuality Today, 2nd Ed._ by Bruce M. King If you are seeking a comprehensive college-level text on sexuality, this book would be an excellent choice. This book surveys current understanding and research on sexuality, rather than detailing how on a personal level one can develop it. _Sensuous Magic_ by Pat Califia This book is an excellent introduction to modern BDSM. If you own only one book on BDSM, it is important that it cover in sufficient detail all the appropriate safety considerations. Other perfectly good texts which meet this criteria are _The Lesbian S/M Safety Manual_ by Pat Califia, _Screw the Roses: Send Me the Thorns_ by Phillip Miller and Molly Devon, _The Loving Dominant_ by John Warren, _On the Safe Edge_ by Travor Jacques, and _SM 101_ by Jay Wiseman. There are certainly other possibilities as well. _Love Without Limits_ by Deborah Anapol For those interested in polyamory (also "polyfideltity," "responsible non-monogamy," or "multi-partner loving relationships"), this is the best book to get. _The Art of Sexual Ecstasy_ by Margo Anand Although there are many books which discuss in a practical way the connection between sexuality and spirituality, and how to enhance sex through neo-Tantric practices, this book is one of the most clear. _Bi Any Other Name_, edited by Lorraine Hutchins This book is an excellent collection of writings on bisexuality. _Anal Pleasure and Health_, by Jack Morin An excellent text for those interested in erotic pleasure involving the anus. _Trust: The Handballing Book_, by Bert Herrman This book discusses in detail a particular type of anally-based erotic practice: putting an entire hand into the anus (sometimes referred to as "fisting"). This is the only book of its kind. A newsletter for handballers called _Trust_ is also available; this book also contains information on receiving the newsletter. _Hot Sex, Safely_, by Society for Human Sexuality This is a comprehensive guide to safer sex, available for free from the Society for Human Sexuality WWW site at http://weber.u.washington.edu/~sfpse/ _Defending Pornorgaphy_, by Nadine Strossen It's important to be able to articulatly express why resource guides such as this and the organizations they refer to should be able to exist without censorship from the government. This book, by an ACLU president, will help you do exactly that. _The Black Book_, by Bill Brent An extensive sexual resource guide for all of North America. _The Planet Sex Handbook_, by Miss Tuppy Owens A sexual resource guide covering almost the entire world. MAGAZINES _SandMUTopian Guardian_ This is an excellent BDSM magazine. _Tantra Magazine_ A magazine on Tantra and Tantric sex. 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Date: Thursday, May 16, 1996 9:03pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 703355 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: 19th Century Marriage advice (5 replies) Found this on the net. I too question the authencity of the post. Forwarded message appears below. This is so funny, it's probably not really authentic, but it's worth a read anyway just for the humor value. Laura lpelleti@uga.cc.uga.edu ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- The following is a reprint from The Madison Institute Newsletter, Fall Issue, 1894: INSTRUCTION AND ADVICE FOR THE YOUNG BRIDE On the Conduct and Procedure of the Intimate and Personal Relationships of the Marriage State for the Greater Spiritual Sanctity of this Blessed Sacrament and the Glory of God by Ruth Smythers beloved wife of The Reverend L.D. Smythers Pastor of the Arcadian Methodist Church of the Eastern Regional Conference Published in the year of our Lord 1894 Spiritual Guidance Press New York City INSTRUCTION AND ADVICE FOR THE YOUNG BRIDE To the sensitive young woman who has had the benefits of proper upbringing, the wedding day is, ironically, both the happiest and most terrifying day of her life. On the positive side, there is the wedding itself, in which the bride is the central attraction in a beautiful and inspiring ceremony, symbolizing her triumph in securing a male to provide for all her needs for the rest of her life. On the negative side, there is the wedding night, during which the bride must pay the piper, so to speak, by facing for the first time the terrible experience of sex. At this point, dear reader, let me concede one shocking truth. Some young women actually anticipate the wedding night ordeal with curiosity and pleasure! Beware such an attitude! A selfish and sensual husband can easily take advantage of such a bride. One cardinal rule of marriage should never be forgotten: GIVE LITTLE, GIVE SELDOM, AND ABOVE ALL, GIVE GRUDGINGLY. Otherwise what could have been a proper marriage could become an orgy of sexual lust. On the other hand, the bride's terror need not be extreme. While sex it at best revolting and at worse rather painful, it has to be endured, and has been by women since the beginning of time, and is compensated for by the monogamous home and by the children produced through it. It is useless, in most cases, for the bride to prevail upon the groom to forego the sexual initiation. While the ideal husband would be one who would approach his bride only at her request and only for the purpose of begetting offspring, such nobility and unselfishness cannot be expected from the average man. Most men, if not denied, would demand sex almost every day. The wise bride will permit a maximum of two brief sexual experiences weekly during the first months of marriage. As time goes by she should make every effort to reduce this frequency. Feigned illness, sleepiness, and headaches are among the wife's best friends in this matter. Arguments, nagging, scolding, and bickering also prove very effective, if used in the late evening about an hour before the husband would normally commence his seduction. Clever wives are ever on the alert for new and better methods of denying and discouraging the amorous overtures of the husband. A good wife should expect to have reduced sexual contacts to once a week by the end of the first year of marriage and to once a month by the end of the fifth year of marriage. By their tenth anniversary many wives have managed to complete their child bearing and have achieved the ultimate goal of terminating all sexual contacts with the husband. By this time she can depend upon his love for the children and social pressures to hold the husband in the home. Just as she should be ever alert to keep the quantity of sex as low as possible, the wise bride will pay equal attention to limiting the kind and degree of sexual contacts. Most men are by nature rather perverted, and if given half a chance, would engage in quite a variety of the most revolting practices. These practices include among others performing the normal act in abnormal positions; mouthing the female body; and offering their own vile bodies to be mouthed in turn. Nudity, talking about sex, reading stories about sex, viewing photographs and drawings depicting or suggesting sex are the obnoxious habits the male is likely to acquire if permitted. A wise bride will make it the goal never to allow her husband to see her unclothed body, and never allow him to display his unclothe be practicedld be donned in separate rooms. They need not be removed durning the sex act. Thus, a minimum of flesh is exposed. Once the bride has donned her gown and turned off all the lights, she should lie quietly upon the bed and await her groom. When he comes groping into the room she should make no sound to guide him in her direction, lest he take this as a sign of encouragement. She should let him grope in the dark. There is always the hope that he will stumble and incur some slight injury which she can use as an excuse to deny him sexual access. When he finds her, the wife should lie as still as possible. Bodily motion on her part could be interpreted as sexual excitement by the optimistic husband. If he attempts to kiss her on the lips she should turn her head slightly so that the kiss falls harmlessly on her cheek instead. If he attempts to kiss her hand, she should make a fist. If he lifts her gown and attempts to kiss her anyplace else she should quickly pull the gown back in place, spring from the bed, and announce that nature calls her to the toilet. This will generally dampen his desire to kiss in the forbidden territory. If the husband attempts to seduce her with lascivious talk, the wise wife will suddenly remember some trivial non-sexual question to ask him. Once he answers she should keep the conversation going, no matter how frivolous it may seem at the time. Eventually, the husband will learn that if he insists on having sexual contact, he must get on with it without amorous embellishment. The wise wife will allow him to pull the gown up no farther than the waist, and only permit him to open the front of his pajamas to thus make connection. She will be absolutely silent or babble about her housework while his huffing and puffing away. Above all, she will lie perfectly still and never under any circumstances grunt or groan while the act is in progress. As soon as the husband has completed the act, the wise wife will start nagging him about various minor tasks she wishes him to perform on the morrow. Many men obtain a major portion of their sexual satisfaction from the peaceful exhaustion immediately after the act is over. Thus the wife must insure that there is no peace in this period for him to enjoy. Otherwise, he might be encouraged to soon try for more. One heartening factor for which the wife can be grateful is the fact that the husband's home, school, church, and social environment have been working together all through his life to instill in him a deep sense of guilt in regards to his sexual feelings, so that he comes to the marriage couch apologetically and filled with shame, already half cowed and subdued. The wise wife seizes upon this advantage and relentlessly pursues her goal first to limit, later to annihilate completely her husband's desire for sexual expression. Date: Monday, June 10, 1996 12:27am Forum: Xrated From: Rosanna Msg#: 707837 To: Lythande *EXEMPT* Re: I haear younger men last longer! (Reply to #703239, Reply to #703233, Reply to #702323) (3 replies) LY>RO>Hmm... I've never heard of it... LY>RO>But when u hear about it... lemme know! LY>!? Why in the world would you want to know about that, Rosanna? You'd LY>only be an older woman to a teenager! I hear younger men last longer! :) Date: Tuesday, June 11, 1996 2:53am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 708122 To: Thumper *EXEMPT* Re: never let good meat go to waste (Reply to #707132, Reply to #706936, Reply to #706724, R*) (1 reply) TH>TE>TH>TE>TH>TE>TH>TE><<>> TH>TE>TH>TE>TH>TE>TH>Well whatta you know...I could have sworn that old bone wa TH>TE>TH>TE>TH>TE>TH>recycled and here with one lick it seems to be regaining n TH>TE>TH>TE>TH>TE>TH>about your miracles....I guess that mean I can put the sur TH>TE>TH>TE>TH>TE>TH>away...I'll be hanging onto this a while longer...... TH>TE>TH>TE>TH>TE>Who needs surgical equipment when u got TONGUES... >:) TH>TE>TH>TE>TH>I never thought I'd look forward to surgery on my "meat" with bl TH>TE>TH>TE>TH>tools but you seem to have found the right type of scapel.....yo TH>TE>TH>TE>TH>begin the operation at your earliest convenience.....:) TH>TE>TH>TE>Ok! Begin incision, with tip of tongue device, along the posterior TH>TE>TH>TE>medial line of the meat, continue on to the distal tip, increase TH>TE>TH>TE>pressure of tongue device around circumference of the distal portio TH>TE>TH>TE>meat... >:) TH>TE>TH>God!!! This is all so arousing....I believe the meat is becoming TH>TE>TH>edemic....will your operation take care of this condition....:) TH>TE>The edema will increase as the operation continues, but my incisions TH>TE>will result in acute fluid release, thereby relieving the edema... TH>TE>This may, however, result in hypovolemic shock, in which case I will TH>TE>have to submerge the meat in additional fluid... :) TH>Ohhhhhhhh....marinating the meat!!! I find that very......soothing. TH>However the process tends to encourage the buildup of fresh TH>fluids....the cycle can repeat itself several times before the meat is TH>finally able to shed the edemic characteristics.....is that a good TH>thing...:) Why yes it is! The key is to continue to encourage edemic buildup until all remaining fluid is released... :) Date: Tuesday, June 11, 1996 8:28pm Forum: Xrated From: Thumper Msg#: 708248 To: Tempest *EXEMPT* Re: never let good meat go to waste (Reply to #708122, Reply to #707132, Reply to #706936, R*) (1 reply) TE>TH>TE>TH>TE>Ok! Begin incision, with tip of tongue device, along the posteri TE>TH>TE>TH>TE>medial line of the meat, continue on to the distal tip, increase TE>TH>TE>TH>TE>pressure of tongue device around circumference of the distal por TE>TH>TE>TH>TE>meat... >:) TE>TH>TE>TH>God!!! This is all so arousing....I believe the meat is becoming TE>TH>TE>TH>edemic....will your operation take care of this condition....:) TE>TH>TE>The edema will increase as the operation continues, but my incisions TE>TH>TE>will result in acute fluid release, thereby relieving the edema... TE>TH>TE>This may, however, result in hypovolemic shock, in which case I will TE>TH>TE>have to submerge the meat in additional fluid... :) TE>TH>Ohhhhhhhh....marinating the meat!!! I find that very......soothing. TE>TH>However the process tends to encourage the buildup of fresh TE>TH>fluids....the cycle can repeat itself several times before the meat is TE>TH>finally able to shed the edemic characteristics.....is that a good TE>TH>thing...:) TE>Why yes it is! The key is to continue to encourage edemic buildup until TE>all remaining fluid is released... :) I see...should I assume that the size of the meat is a contributing factor inthe rate of fluid buildup...or would that be misleading. Also can the length of time from the onset of this condition to its final remission via your surgical skills be corollated to the size or is this a factor governed by the variables present at the onset of the edemic state.....:) --- þ SLMR 2.0 þ Date: Wednesday, June 12, 1996 5:56am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 708325 To: Thumper *EXEMPT* Re: never let good meat go to waste (Reply to #708248, Reply to #708122, Reply to #707132, R*) (1 reply) TH>TE>TH>TE>TH>TE>Ok! Begin incision, with tip of tongue device, along the post TH>TE>TH>TE>TH>TE>medial line of the meat, continue on to the distal tip, incre TH>TE>TH>TE>TH>TE>pressure of tongue device around circumference of the distal TH>TE>TH>TE>TH>TE>meat... >:) TH>TE>TH>TE>TH>God!!! This is all so arousing....I believe the meat is becoming TH>TE>TH>TE>TH>edemic....will your operation take care of this condition....:) TH>TE>TH>TE>The edema will increase as the operation continues, but my incision TH>TE>TH>TE>will result in acute fluid release, thereby relieving the edema... TH>TE>TH>TE>This may, however, result in hypovolemic shock, in which case I wil TH>TE>TH>TE>have to submerge the meat in additional fluid... :) TH>TE>TH>Ohhhhhhhh....marinating the meat!!! I find that very......soothing. TH>TE>TH>However the process tends to encourage the buildup of fresh TH>TE>TH>fluids....the cycle can repeat itself several times before the meat is TH>TE>TH>finally able to shed the edemic characteristics.....is that a good TH>TE>TH>thing...:) TH>TE>Why yes it is! The key is to continue to encourage edemic buildup until TH>TE>all remaining fluid is released... :) TH>I see...should I assume that the size of the meat is a contributing TH>factor inthe rate of fluid buildup...or would that be misleading. Also TH>can the length of time from the onset of this condition to its final TH>remission via your surgical skills be corollated to the size or is this TH>a factor governed by the variables present at the onset of the edemic TH>state.....:) Actually, the factors that contribute to the rate of fluid buildup include variants of pressure and location of incisions, as well as the volume of fluid in which the meat is submerged. The size of the meat in its edemic state (measured at 12 inches in length) is an important contributing factor to how efficiently the procedure is performed, however. The size of your particular meat specimen assures that the overall procedure will be performed with great success, and the end result of massive quantities of fluid release is assured. :) Date: Thursday, June 13, 1996 10:56pm Forum: Xrated From: Thumper Msg#: 708631 To: Tempest *EXEMPT* Re: never let good meat go to waste (Reply to #708325, Reply to #708248, Reply to #708122, R*) (2 replies) TE>TH>TE>TH>Ohhhhhhhh....marinating the meat!!! I find that very......soothing. TE>TH>TE>TH>However the process tends to encourage the buildup of fresh TE>TH>TE>TH>fluids....the cycle can repeat itself several times before the meat TE>TH>TE>TH>finally able to shed the edemic characteristics.....is that a good TE>TH>TE>TH>thing...:) TE>TH>TE>Why yes it is! The key is to continue to encourage edemic buildup unti TE>TH>TE>all remaining fluid is released... :) TE>TH>I see...should I assume that the size of the meat is a contributing TE>TH>factor inthe rate of fluid buildup...or would that be misleading. Also TE>TH>can the length of time from the onset of this condition to its final TE>TH>remission via your surgical skills be corollated to the size or is this TE>TH>a factor governed by the variables present at the onset of the edemic TE>TH>state.....:) TE>Actually, the factors that contribute to the rate of fluid buildup TE>include variants of pressure and location of incisions, as well as the TE>volume of fluid in which the meat is submerged. The size of the meat in TE>its edemic state (measured at 12 inches in length) is an important TE>contributing factor to how efficiently the procedure is performed, TE>however. The size of your particular meat specimen assures that the TE>overall procedure will be performed with great success, and the end TE>result of massive quantities of fluid release is assured. :) Several questions come to mind here....not a reflection on your surgical technique which is held in the highest regard....judging by your animated explanation I must surmise that you have undoubtedly performed this procedure many times without a waning of personal interest on you part...:) The first question regards the temperature and characteristics of the fluid surrounding the meat....will that affect the outcome? Is the meat required to be suspended in the surrounding fluids or does it need to be moved around to assure constant exposure to fresh fluids? Also, are the fluids revitalized or replenished or are the same fluids recirculated around the meat untill exhausted? Assuming the operation is a resounding success (and I have no doubt it will be) are you properly equipt to manage or contain the massive quantities of fluid that may erupt in view of the acute edemic state of this particular specimen? Finally, are you properly insured against physical injury to yourself and damage to your tools in the event your containment systems cannot withstand the impending hydraulic phenomenon..... --- þ SLMR 2.0 þ Date: Friday, June 14, 1996 4:16am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 708659 To: Thumper *EXEMPT* Re: never let good meat go to waste (Reply to #708631, Reply to #708325, Reply to #708248, R*) (1 reply) TH>TE>TH>TE>TH>Ohhhhhhhh....marinating the meat!!! I find that very......soothi TH>TE>TH>TE>TH>However the process tends to encourage the buildup of fresh TH>TE>TH>TE>TH>fluids....the cycle can repeat itself several times before the m TH>TE>TH>TE>TH>finally able to shed the edemic characteristics.....is that a go TH>TE>TH>TE>TH>thing...:) TH>TE>TH>TE>Why yes it is! The key is to continue to encourage edemic buildup u TH>TE>TH>TE>all remaining fluid is released... :) TH>TE>TH>I see...should I assume that the size of the meat is a contributing TH>TE>TH>factor inthe rate of fluid buildup...or would that be misleading. Also TH>TE>TH>can the length of time from the onset of this condition to its final TH>TE>TH>remission via your surgical skills be corollated to the size or is thi TH>TE>TH>a factor governed by the variables present at the onset of the edemic TH>TE>TH>state.....:) TH>TE>Actually, the factors that contribute to the rate of fluid buildup TH>TE>include variants of pressure and location of incisions, as well as the TH>TE>volume of fluid in which the meat is submerged. The size of the meat in TH>TE>its edemic state (measured at 12 inches in length) is an important TH>TE>contributing factor to how efficiently the procedure is performed, TH>TE>however. The size of your particular meat specimen assures that the TH>TE>overall procedure will be performed with great success, and the end TH>TE>result of massive quantities of fluid release is assured. :) TH>Several questions come to mind here....not a reflection on your surgical TH>technique which is held in the highest regard....judging by your TH>animated explanation I must surmise that you have undoubtedly TH>performed this procedure many times without a waning of personal TH>interest on you part...:) The first question regards the temperature and TH>characteristics of the fluid surrounding the meat....will that affect TH>the outcome? Is the meat required to be suspended in the surrounding TH>fluids or does it need to be moved around to assure constant exposure TH>to fresh fluids? Also, are the fluids revitalized or replenished or TH>are the same fluids recirculated around the meat untill exhausted? TH>Assuming the operation is a resounding success (and I have no TH>doubt it will be) are you properly equipt to manage or contain TH>the massive quantities of fluid that may erupt in view of the TH>acute edemic state of this particular specimen? Finally, are TH>you properly insured against physical injury to yourself and TH>damage to your tools in the event your containment systems TH>cannot withstand the impending hydraulic phenomenon..... ROTFLMAO! My goodness, u are so full of questions... :) Well, first, let me reassure you that I am fully certified, equipped, and vastly experienced in handling all types of invasive and non-invasive procedures involving this particular type of meat. All surgeries performed by myself to this date have been entirely successful. >:) Now, to answer your questions: First - the temperature and characteristics of the surrounding fluid do indeed affect the rate and intensity of the edemic process and subsequent fluid release. Under ideal conditions, the surrounding fluid must be high in volume, pleasantly aromatic, and the temperature should be at a level that provides comfortable surrounding conditions for the meat. As for movement of the meat - yes, in order to sustain edemic buildup and encourage release of said buildup, the meat requires excessive motion of variable rates and velocity. This assures two things: one, that the meat is consistently submerged in fresh fluid, and two, that the meat is provided with necessary friction against the walls of the containment unit. The fluids in which the meat is submerged are a combination of same and replenished fluids. Consistent movement and friction of meat, as stated above, are a necessary initiating factor for the replenishment of surrounding fluid. And, let me reassure you - I am fully equipped to deal with all types of volume and force involved in final eruption of edemic fluids. I am in possession of a specialized contaiment device built specifically for capture and retention of such fluid. This device not only has strong, resistant, and leak-proof walls, but it also assures a warm, moist atmosphere for proper recovery of meat... >:) Date: Saturday, June 15, 1996 12:36am Forum: Xrated From: Thumper Msg#: 708758 To: Tempest *EXEMPT* Re: never let good meat go to waste (Reply to #708659, Reply to #708631, Reply to #708325, R*) (1 reply) TE>TH>TE>Actually, the factors that contribute to the rate of fluid buildup TE>TH>TE>include variants of pressure and location of incisions, as well as the TE>TH>TE>volume of fluid in which the meat is submerged. The size of the meat i TE>TH>TE>its edemic state (measured at 12 inches in length) is an important TE>TH>TE>contributing factor to how efficiently the procedure is performed, TE>TH>TE>however. The size of your particular meat specimen assures that the TE>TH>TE>overall procedure will be performed with great success, and the end TE>TH>TE>result of massive quantities of fluid release is assured. :) TE>TH>Several questions come to mind here....not a reflection on your surgical TE>TH>technique which is held in the highest regard....judging by your TE>TH>animated explanation I must surmise that you have undoubtedly TE>TH>performed this procedure many times without a waning of personal TE>TH>interest on you part...:) The first question regards the temperature and TE>TH>characteristics of the fluid surrounding the meat....will that affect TE>TH>the outcome? Is the meat required to be suspended in the surrounding TE>TH>fluids or does it need to be moved around to assure constant exposure TE>TH>to fresh fluids? Also, are the fluids revitalized or replenished or TE>TH>are the same fluids recirculated around the meat untill exhausted? TE>TH>Assuming the operation is a resounding success (and I have no TE>TH>doubt it will be) are you properly equipt to manage or contain TE>TH>the massive quantities of fluid that may erupt in view of the TE>TH>acute edemic state of this particular specimen? Finally, are TE>TH>you properly insured against physical injury to yourself and TE>TH>damage to your tools in the event your containment systems TE>TH>cannot withstand the impending hydraulic phenomenon..... TE>ROTFLMAO! My goodness, u are so full of questions... :) Full of questions and lets us not forget.....fluid, lots of fluid...the source of this edemic condition.....G> TE>Well, first, let me reassure you that I am fully certified, equipped, TE>and vastly experienced in handling all types of invasive and TE>non-invasive procedures involving this particular type of meat. All TE>surgeries performed by myself to this date have been entirely successful. TE>>:) TE>Now, to answer your questions: First - the temperature and TE>characteristics of the surrounding fluid do indeed affect the rate and TE>intensity of the edemic process and subsequent fluid release. Under TE>ideal conditions, the surrounding fluid must be high in volume, TE>pleasantly aromatic, and the temperature should be at a level that TE>provides comfortable surrounding conditions for the meat. TE>As for movement of the meat - yes, in order to sustain edemic buildup TE>and encourage release of said buildup, the meat requires excessive TE>motion of variable rates and velocity. This assures two things: one, TE>that the meat is consistently submerged in fresh fluid, and two, that TE>the meat is provided with necessary friction against the walls of the TE>containment unit. TE>The fluids in which the meat is submerged are a combination of same and TE>replenished fluids. Consistent movement and friction of meat, as stated TE>above, are a necessary initiating factor for the replenishment of TE>surrounding fluid. TE>And, let me reassure you - I am fully equipped to deal with all types of TE>volume and force involved in final eruption of edemic fluids. I am in TE>possession of a specialized contaiment device built specifically for TE>capture and retention of such fluid. This device not only has strong, TE>resistant, and leak-proof walls, but it also assures a warm, moist TE>atmosphere for proper recovery of meat... >:) Oh dear.....it seems that at some point during this passage there was some seepage of edemic fluids...a rather excessive amount actually but the condition still persists....:) Perhaps the condition will resolve itself without the necessity for surgery tho it might be attempted anyway.....merely to maintain your technique in good form of course... Tell me, have there been cases where the condition resolves itself? --- þ SLMR 2.0 þ Date: Wednesday, July 10, 1996 1:22am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 712709 To: Thumper *EXEMPT* Re: You mean like /\!/\ ? (Reply to #711972, Reply to #711616, Reply to #708972, R*) (2 replies) TH>TE>Y>TE>LY>TE>LY>Glyphs are like :-) or -,-'-@ TH>TE>LY>TE>LY>TE>LY>There are a few I can't do in /Hello. TH>TE>LY>TE>LY>TE>You mean like /\!/\ TH>Is that what they call a GUI.....:) Hehheehe exactly! So is this /\o/\ and this \/-|O/\__O :> Date: Saturday, July 20, 1996 10:00pm Forum: Xrated From: Sysop Msg#: 714129 To: Tempest *EXEMPT* Re: You mean like /\!/\ ? (Reply to #712919, Reply to #712823, Reply to #712709, R*) (1 reply) TE> ________ TE> |o o| TE> | \ () / | TE> | \oo/ | TE> | || | TE> | /<>\ | | /\()/\ | |o__\/__o| -- / \ mmm, you taste good :P Date: Saturday, October 26, 1996 11:30pm Forum: Xrated From: Headman Msg#: 721401 To: Tempest Re: sexmem1.txt (Reply to #719656, Reply to #718265, Reply to #29552, Re*) (1 reply) TE>HE>CO>Let's keep those stories rollin' here comes memory1.txt TE>HE>CO>Enjoy..see ya COOL TE>HE> Thanks, Cool. It only took me five years to get around to this! TE>Oh my God!!! It's YOU!!! :) Well, Headman is being reborn! After being married since March something 1972, he is getting divorced! Headman is 6' 2" tall, 190 pounds, clean shaven, blue-eyed, gray-haired, and has fifty years experience breathing. (He is also fond of writing in the third person.) - = ]-[ E A D M A N = - PS If I have any money left on November second, I'll get to the hang! Where the heck is it? Date: Sunday, November 3, 1996 11:46am Forum: Xrated From: Headman Msg#: 722045 To: Vida Re: 19th Century Marriage advice (Reply to #704002, Reply to #703803, Reply to #703355) VI>I guess not! :) Hey! I'm still reading stuff from May! - = ]-[ E A D M A N = - Date: Monday, November 4, 1996 7:32pm Forum: Xrated From: Headman Msg#: 722149 To: Lythande Re: 19th Century Marriage advice (Reply to #704124, Reply to #703725, Reply to #703618, R*) (1 reply) LLY>I feel sorry for women like that! Can you imagine thinking sex was LY>something horrible and never enjoying it!? Wow, would you ever feel sorry for my soon-to-be x-wife! - = ]-[ E A D M A N = - Date: Monday, November 4, 1996 7:35pm Forum: Xrated From: Headman Msg#: 722150 To: Lythande Re: Sex drives (Reply to #704142, Reply to #703932, Reply to #703628, R*) (1 reply) LY>DO> Becky & I say "I Love You" all the time....but we don't have to LY>DO> (we just do...just in case). What's neat is when she'll catch LY>DO> me looking at her or I'll catch her looking at me...and we both LY>DO> grin....we just said it without saying it.... LY>More than neat - sounds like you're one of the people lucky enough to LY>have that sort of relationship. I don't think most people do. That's sure correct! - = ]-[ E A D M A N = - Date: Monday, November 4, 1996 7:44pm Forum: Xrated From: Headman Msg#: 722155 To: Vida Re: 19th Century Marriage advice (Reply to #705105, Reply to #705014, Reply to #704927, R*) (1 reply) VI>LY>VI>My mom was born in 1919. So she was just echoing what HER mom told VI>LY>VI>her. And it also makes me wonder about dad. I tend to beat tht he wa VI>LY>VI>just selfious and didn't even try to pleasure her. :( Sometimes a man wants to pleasure a woman he loves and she is too messed up to receive that kind of love. I really know about this one! - = ]-[ E A D M A N = - Date: Monday, November 4, 1996 8:01pm Forum: Xrated From: Trapper Msg#: 722169 To: Headman Re: Sex drives (Reply to #722150, Reply to #704142, Reply to #703932, R*) HE>LY>DO> Becky & I say "I Love You" all the time....but we don't have to HE>LY>DO> (we just do...just in case). What's neat is when she'll catch HE>LY>DO> me looking at her or I'll catch her looking at me...and we both HE>LY>DO> grin....we just said it without saying it.... HE>LY>More than neat - sounds like you're one of the people lucky enough to HE>LY>have that sort of relationship. I don't think most people do. HE> That's sure correct! HE> - = ]-[ E A D M A N = - Its body language. Everyone has it. Not everyone knows how to read it. Date: Tuesday, November 5, 1996 8:19pm Forum: Xrated From: Headman Msg#: 722206 To: Lythande Re: Harems for women (Reply to #705349, Reply to #705169, Reply to #704994, R*) LLY>TE>You and Ed are the only ones I know who've actually been able to make it LY>TE>work out like that. LY>Nah - there are others. But, as I said, rare - some think they've got LY>things worked out but it's really a panacea for problems in their LY>relationship. That's really true! I thought for a long time that things were fine (well, not fully fine but possibly fine) and I played out the string.... The string just snapped, that's all. Now I loose, but not a loser. - = ]-[ E A D M A N = - Date: Wednesday, November 6, 1996 6:10pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 722270 To: Headman Re: 19th Century Marriage advice (Reply to #722155, Reply to #705105, Reply to #705014, R*) (1 reply) HE>VI>LY>VI>My mom was born in 1919. So she was just echoing what HER mom told HE>VI>LY>VI>her. And it also makes me wonder about dad. I tend to beat tht he HE>VI>LY>VI>just selfious and didn't even try to pleasure her. :( HE> Sometimes a man wants to pleasure a woman he loves and she is too HE>messed up to receive that kind of love. I really know about this one! HE> - = ]-[ E A D M A N = - Sorry to hear about that! Both for your sake and for the sake of the woman who is so messed up that she can't recieve love! Date: Friday, November 8, 1996 2:38pm Forum: Xrated From: Headman Msg#: 722493 To: Vida Re: 19th Century Marriage advice (Reply to #722270, Reply to #722155, Reply to #705105, R*) (1 reply) VVI>HE> Sometimes a man wants to pleasure a woman he loves and she is too VI>HE>messed up to receive that kind of love. I really know about this one! VI>HE> - = ]-[ E A D M A N = - VI>Sorry to hear about that! Both for your sake and for the sake of the VI>woman who is so messed up that she can't recieve love! Thanks. I feel sorry for her also. she is sick and there is no way I can get her well... she has to WANT to take the steps.... --hm Date: Friday, November 8, 1996 2:52pm Forum: Xrated From: Headman Msg#: 722495 To: Vida Re: 19th Century Marriage advice (Reply to #705441, Reply to #705347, Reply to #705105, R*) (1 reply) VI>What woman in her right mind doesn't like receiving oral sex???? Mmmmmm. Another bit that tends to confirm my diagnosis of my soon-to-be-x wife. It was a real tug of war with my morals since I did vow to be faithful "in sickness and in health." I won. My morals lost. Date: Friday, November 8, 1996 3:14pm Forum: Xrated From: Headman Msg#: 722496 To: Lythande Re: 19th Century Marriage advice (Reply to #705793, Reply to #705708, Reply to #705504, R*) (1 reply) LY>VI>Obviously the relationship didn't start off bad--I wouldn't have moved LY>VI>in with her and made my home with her if I didn't love her. So the sex LY>VI>at one time was good. But once I moved in with her, things started to LY>VI>go down hell pretty fast. LY>Yeah, but I have a feeling you're like me......when I was in love, I LY>didn't notice how good or bad the sex was - figured it wasn't that LY>important a part of a relationship. LY>I actually broke up with a guy who was great in bed to be monogomous LY>with my ex - thinking that the rest of what we had would make up for the LY>so-so sex. LY>Down hell? Freudian slip? Wow! This all sound like my own experience! Love is really blind! Date: Saturday, November 9, 1996 9:01am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 722558 To: Headman Re: 19th Century Marriage advice (Reply to #722493, Reply to #722270, Reply to #722155, R*) (2 replies) HE>VVI>HE> Sometimes a man wants to pleasure a woman he loves and she is too HE>VI>HE>messed up to receive that kind of love. I really know about this one! HE>VI>HE> - = ]-[ E A D M A N = - HE>VI>Sorry to hear about that! Both for your sake and for the sake of the HE>VI>woman who is so messed up that she can't recieve love! HE> Thanks. I feel sorry for her also. she is sick and there is no HE>way I can get her well... she has to WANT to take the steps.... HE> --hm It is possible that you might be able to help. In my opinion, a person only gets to be in a position where they can't enjoy sex unless they have been greviously injuried...and probably injuried by sexual abuse of some sort. This woman needs sexual healing, from a kind, compassionate and understanding lover. :) Date: Tuesday, November 12, 1996 9:31pm Forum: Xrated From: Headman Msg#: 722818 To: Vida Re: 19th Century Marriage advice (Reply to #722558, Reply to #722493, Reply to #722270, R*) (1 reply) VVI>HE>VI>woman who is so messed up that she can't recieve love! VI>HE> Thanks. I feel sorry for her also. she is sick and there is no VI>HE>way I can get her well... she has to WANT to take the steps.... VI>HE> --hm VI>It is possible that you might be able to help. VI>In my opinion, a person only gets to be in a position where they can't VI>enjoy sex unless they have been greviously injuried...and probably VI>injuried by sexual abuse of some sort. VI>This woman needs sexual healing, from a kind, compassionate and VI>understanding lover. :) Hey, I tried for three years. Maybe somebody else can do it... I actually hope that she finds him (or her!). --hm Date: Wednesday, November 13, 1996 6:38pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 722866 To: Headman Re: 19th Century Marriage advice (Reply to #722818, Reply to #722558, Reply to #722493, R*) (1 reply) HE>VVI>HE>VI>woman who is so messed up that she can't recieve love! HE>VI>HE> Thanks. I feel sorry for her also. she is sick and there is no HE>VI>HE>way I can get her well... she has to WANT to take the steps.... HE>VI>HE> --hm HE>VI>It is possible that you might be able to help. HE>VI>In my opinion, a person only gets to be in a position where they can't HE>VI>enjoy sex unless they have been greviously injuried...and probably HE>VI>injuried by sexual abuse of some sort. HE>VI>This woman needs sexual healing, from a kind, compassionate and HE>VI>understanding lover. :) HE> Hey, I tried for three years. Maybe somebody else can do it... I HE>actually hope that she finds him (or her!). HE>--hm I understand fully how frustrating it is to go through a bad marriage...I had two failed marriages of my own! :( But I do hope she finds someone to give her sexual pleasure...we ALL deserve love! :) Date: Thursday, November 14, 1996 5:49pm Forum: Xrated From: Don Msg#: 722918 To: Vida Re: What does love have to do with sexual pleasure (Reply to #722866, Reply to #722818, Reply to #722558, R*) (2 replies) ³VV> But I do hope she finds someone to give her sexual pleasure...we ALL ³ ³VV> deserve love! :) ³ ÔÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ; What does love have to do with sexual pleasure? ;) --- þ MegaMail 2.10 #0:Ignorance is temporary, stupid is forever! Date: Thursday, November 14, 1996 5:49pm Forum: Xrated From: Don Msg#: 722919 To: ** ALL ** Re: X-RATED (2 replies) FUCK SUCKING COCK LICKING PUSSY CUM-A-RAMA etc. etc. etc. This forum hasn't been that x-rated lately so I thought I'd make it so.... --- þ MegaMail 2.10 #0:It's as easy as 3.141592653589793238463643383279 Date: Thursday, November 14, 1996 7:25pm Forum: Xrated From: Nightbird Msg#: 722940 To: Don Re: X-RATED (Reply to #722919) (1 reply) DO> FUCK DO> SUCKING COCK DO> LICKING PUSSY DO> CUM-A-RAMA DO> etc. etc. etc. DO> This forum hasn't been that x-rated lately so I thought I'd make DO> it so.... Good, I'm glad you did! --- þ OLX 2.1 TD þ Wreck the mall with cows on Harleys! Falalalalalala! Date: Sunday, November 17, 1996 7:07pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 723057 To: Don Re: 19th Century Marriage advice (Reply to #722918, Reply to #722866, Reply to #722818, R*) (1 reply) DO> What does love have to do with sexual pleasure? ;) DO>--- In theory, nothing. I practice, everything in the world. :) Date: Monday, November 18, 1996 9:13pm Forum: Xrated From: Don Msg#: 723127 To: Nightbird Re: X-RATED (Reply to #722940, Reply to #722919) ³NN> DO> This forum hasn't been that x-rated lately so I thought I'd make ³ ³NN> DO> it so.... ³ ³NN> ³ ³NN> Good, I'm glad you did! ³ ÔÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ; I feel so much better now.......(lighting cigarette...) --- þ MegaMail 2.10 #0:I'll jump off that bridge when I come to it. Date: Thursday, October 17, 1996 4:01am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 724704 To: ** ALL ** Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Copy by Lythande, Reply to #720867, Reply to #720797, R*) (3 replies) SC>VI>I'm not married, but I sill indulge in indoor recreation activities. :) SC>Outdoor "recreation activities" can be pretty interesting also :) As long as you don't get caught. :) Date: Thursday, December 26, 1996 9:04pm Forum: Xrated From: Nightbird Msg#: 724798 To: Vida Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #724704, Copy by Lythande, Reply to #720867, R*) (3 replies) VI>SC>VI>I'm not married, but I sill indulge in indoor recreation activities. VI>SC>Outdoor "recreation activities" can be pretty interesting also :) VI>As long as you don't get caught. :) True, believe me, before Steve & I got married, we almost got caught a few times but, I like doing in any room I can(hot tub are good too!) --- þ OLX 2.1 TD þ Hi, my name is Annie Key...don't hit me Date: Friday, November 1, 1996 4:12am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 724827 To: ** ALL ** Re: To have sex with another female (Copy by Lythande, Reply to #721901, Reply to #721799, R*) (1 reply) SC>Now that sounds different. :) Well Bob likes to play with the fantasy of having sex with me and another female. I have told him no way. It would be playing with fire for me to have sex with another female. Date: Tuesday, December 31, 1996 2:31am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 724989 To: Vida Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #724704, Copy by Lythande, Reply to #720867, R*) (3 replies) VI>SC>VI>I'm not married, but I sill indulge in indoor recreation activities. VI>SC>Outdoor "recreation activities" can be pretty interesting also :) VI>As long as you don't get caught. :) Hehehe I had a REALLY close call there once, was in a park at night and almost got caught by cops, might have ended up pretty bad! Date: Wednesday, January 1, 1997 7:54pm Forum: Xrated From: Nightbird Msg#: 725073 To: Tempest Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #724989, Reply to #724704, Copy by Lythande, R*) (1 reply) TE>I>SC>VI>I'm not married, but I sill indulge in indoor recreation activities. TE>VI>SC>Outdoor "recreation activities" can be pretty interesting also :) TE>VI>As long as you don't get caught. :) TE>Hehehe I had a REALLY close call there once, was in a park at night and almo TE>got caught by cops, might have ended up pretty bad! Tempest, if certain picnic tables in Flushing Meadow Park could talk, I would be in trouble. --- þ OLX 2.1 TD þ Push red button to test, release to detonate Date: Wednesday, January 1, 1997 7:54pm Forum: Xrated From: Nightbird Msg#: 725074 To: Tempest Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #724989, Reply to #724704, Copy by Lythande, R*) (1 reply) TE>I>SC>VI>I'm not married, but I sill indulge in indoor recreation activities. TE>VI>SC>Outdoor "recreation activities" can be pretty interesting also :) TE>VI>As long as you don't get caught. :) TE>Hehehe I had a REALLY close call there once, was in a park at night and almo TE>got caught by cops, might have ended up pretty bad! Actully, Central Park is pretty interesting for a fun time too! --- þ OLX 2.1 TD þ Dogs come when you call;hedgehogs have cellular phones Date: Thursday, January 2, 1997 9:38pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 725113 To: Nightbird Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #725073, Reply to #724989, Reply to #724704, C*) (1 reply) NI>TE>I>SC>VI>I'm not married, but I sill indulge in indoor recreation activiti NI>TE>VI>SC>Outdoor "recreation activities" can be pretty interesting also :) NI>TE>VI>As long as you don't get caught. :) NI>TE>Hehehe I had a REALLY close call there once, was in a park at night and a NI>TE>got caught by cops, might have ended up pretty bad! NI>Tempest, if certain picnic tables in Flushing Meadow Park could talk, I NI>would be in trouble. ROTFL! Picnic tables! Nice! Well, if a certain rock in Central Park, and the Hellgate bridge in Astoria Park, and certain benches in Tompkins Square Park could talk... hehehehh... never mind >:) Date: Thursday, January 2, 1997 9:39pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 725114 To: Nightbird Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #725074, Reply to #724989, Reply to #724704, C*) (1 reply) NI>TE>I>SC>VI>I'm not married, but I sill indulge in indoor recreation activiti NI>TE>VI>SC>Outdoor "recreation activities" can be pretty interesting also :) NI>TE>VI>As long as you don't get caught. :) NI>TE>Hehehe I had a REALLY close call there once, was in a park at night and a NI>TE>got caught by cops, might have ended up pretty bad! NI>Actully, Central Park is pretty interesting for a fun time too! Yeah, it is!! The big rocks are pretty good for that. :) Actually, my close call was on a bench in Tompkins Square Park :) Date: Friday, January 3, 1997 8:32pm Forum: Xrated From: Nightbird Msg#: 725180 To: Tempest Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #725113, Reply to #725073, Reply to #724989, R*) (3 replies) TE>I>TE>I>SC>VI>I'm not married, but I sill indulge in indoor recreation activi TE>NI>TE>VI>SC>Outdoor "recreation activities" can be pretty interesting also : TE>NI>TE>VI>As long as you don't get caught. :) TE>NI>TE>Hehehe I had a REALLY close call there once, was in a park at night an TE>NI>TE>got caught by cops, might have ended up pretty bad! TE>NI>Tempest, if certain picnic tables in Flushing Meadow Park could talk, I TE>NI>would be in trouble. TE>ROTFL! Picnic tables! Nice! Well, if a certain rock in Central Park, and TE>the Hellgate bridge in Astoria Park, and certain benches in Tompkins TE>Square Park could talk... hehehehh... never mind >:) Well, when Steve & I were going out, we would try to do it anywhere we could & I do mean ANYWHERE but I still haven't tryed out the beach(I would really love to give that a try!) --- þ OLX 2.1 TD þ Happiness is Bill Clinton's face on a milk carton Date: Friday, January 3, 1997 8:32pm Forum: Xrated From: Nightbird Msg#: 725181 To: Tempest Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #725114, Reply to #725074, Reply to #724989, R*) (1 reply) TE>I>TE>I>SC>VI>I'm not married, but I sill indulge in indoor recreation activi TE>NI>TE>VI>SC>Outdoor "recreation activities" can be pretty interesting also : TE>NI>TE>VI>As long as you don't get caught. :) TE>NI>TE>Hehehe I had a REALLY close call there once, was in a park at night an TE>NI>TE>got caught by cops, might have ended up pretty bad! TE>NI>Actully, Central Park is pretty interesting for a fun time too! TE>Yeah, it is!! The big rocks are pretty good for that. :) TE>Actually, my close call was on a bench in Tompkins Square Park :) Well, when you happen to be at Delacote castle in a rain storm, you do things you wouldn't try any other time. I also got caught in flushing meadow, a guy in a van was following us, Steve wasn't too happy about that. --- þ OLX 2.1 TD þ Beam me up! Beam me up! Beam me *&!@$#*$^& NO CARRIER Date: Saturday, January 4, 1997 4:33am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 725210 To: Nightbird Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #725180, Reply to #725113, Reply to #725073, R*) (1 reply) NI>TE>I>TE>I>SC>VI>I'm not married, but I sill indulge in indoor recreation act NI>TE>NI>TE>VI>SC>Outdoor "recreation activities" can be pretty interesting als NI>TE>NI>TE>VI>As long as you don't get caught. :) NI>TE>NI>TE>Hehehe I had a REALLY close call there once, was in a park at night NI>TE>NI>TE>got caught by cops, might have ended up pretty bad! NI>TE>NI>Tempest, if certain picnic tables in Flushing Meadow Park could talk, NI>TE>NI>would be in trouble. NI>TE>ROTFL! Picnic tables! Nice! Well, if a certain rock in Central Park, and NI>TE>the Hellgate bridge in Astoria Park, and certain benches in Tompkins NI>TE>Square Park could talk... hehehehh... never mind >:) NI>Well, when Steve & I were going out, we would try to do it anywhere we NI>could & I do mean ANYWHERE but I still haven't tryed out the beach(I NI>would really love to give that a try!) Yeah, I like trying different places as well, it's fun! I tried the beach once, that is NICE. In fact, me and my ex's names might still be up on that wall all the way at the end of Brighton Beach hehehe... I like the beach especially, cause it's so nice and peaceful, and you could hear the waves and all that... it's beautiful. Date: Saturday, January 4, 1997 4:35am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 725211 To: Nightbird Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #725181, Reply to #725114, Reply to #725074, R*) (2 replies) NI>TE>I>TE>I>SC>VI>I'm not married, but I sill indulge in indoor recreation act NI>TE>NI>TE>VI>SC>Outdoor "recreation activities" can be pretty interesting als NI>TE>NI>TE>VI>As long as you don't get caught. :) NI>TE>NI>TE>Hehehe I had a REALLY close call there once, was in a park at night NI>TE>NI>TE>got caught by cops, might have ended up pretty bad! NI>TE>NI>Actully, Central Park is pretty interesting for a fun time too! NI>TE>Yeah, it is!! The big rocks are pretty good for that. :) NI>TE>Actually, my close call was on a bench in Tompkins Square Park :) NI>Well, when you happen to be at Delacote castle in a rain storm, you do NI>things you wouldn't try any other time. Delacote castle? Where's that? NI>I also got caught in flushing meadow, a guy in a van was following us, NI>Steve wasn't too happy about that. A guy in a van was following you?!?! Ugh, that sucks!!! you got away from him, I hope, with no trouble? Date: Saturday, January 4, 1997 3:19pm Forum: Xrated From: Wanderer Msg#: 725257 To: Tempest Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #725211, Reply to #725181, Reply to #725114, R*) (2 replies) hi,nightbird!!!!!!,hi,tempest!!!!!! sounds like you guys would really appreciate a clothing optional vacation spot.long strolls,or just lying together on a nice warm beach,totall{ nude,or how about a nice cruise,just you and your partner enjoying the fresh warm air, totally nude. if you guys are interested,give me a buzz!!!! Date: Sunday, January 5, 1997 6:35pm Forum: Xrated From: Nightbird Msg#: 725407 To: Tempest Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #725210, Reply to #725180, Reply to #725113, R*) (1 reply) TE>I>TE>I>TE>I>SC>VI>I'm not married, but I sill indulge in indoor recreation a TE>NI>TE>NI>TE>VI>SC>Outdoor "recreation activities" can be pretty interesting TE>NI>TE>NI>TE>VI>As long as you don't get caught. :) TE>NI>TE>NI>TE>Hehehe I had a REALLY close call there once, was in a park at ni TE>NI>TE>NI>TE>got caught by cops, might have ended up pretty bad! TE>NI>TE>NI>Tempest, if certain picnic tables in Flushing Meadow Park could tal TE>NI>TE>NI>would be in trouble. TE>NI>TE>ROTFL! Picnic tables! Nice! Well, if a certain rock in Central Park, a TE>NI>TE>the Hellgate bridge in Astoria Park, and certain benches in Tompkins TE>NI>TE>Square Park could talk... hehehehh... never mind >:) TE>NI>Well, when Steve & I were going out, we would try to do it anywhere we TE>NI>could & I do mean ANYWHERE but I still haven't tryed out the beach(I TE>NI>would really love to give that a try!) TE>Yeah, I like trying different places as well, it's fun! I tried the TE>beach once, that is NICE. In fact, me and my ex's names might still be TE>up on that wall all the way at the end of Brighton Beach hehehe... TE>I like the beach especially, cause it's so nice and peaceful, and you TE>could hear the waves and all that... it's beautiful. sounds good, I'm dragging Steve there soon! --- þ OLX 2.1 TD þ Suddenly, all that King Midas touched to mufflers. Date: Sunday, January 5, 1997 6:35pm Forum: Xrated From: Nightbird Msg#: 725408 To: Tempest Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #725211, Reply to #725181, Reply to #725114, R*) (1 reply) TE>I>TE>I>TE>I>SC>VI>I'm not married, but I sill indulge in indoor recreation a TE>NI>TE>NI>TE>VI>SC>Outdoor "recreation activities" can be pretty interesting TE>NI>TE>NI>TE>VI>As long as you don't get caught. :) TE>NI>TE>NI>TE>Hehehe I had a REALLY close call there once, was in a park at ni TE>NI>TE>NI>TE>got caught by cops, might have ended up pretty bad! TE>NI>TE>NI>Actully, Central Park is pretty interesting for a fun time too! TE>NI>TE>Yeah, it is!! The big rocks are pretty good for that. :) TE>NI>TE>Actually, my close call was on a bench in Tompkins Square Park :) TE>NI>Well, when you happen to be at Delacote castle in a rain storm, you do TE>NI>things you wouldn't try any other time. TE>Delacote castle? Where's that? Central Park, about 79 Street, west side, oh, I goofed, It's Belvedere Castle, next to the delacote theatre. TE>NI>I also got caught in flushing meadow, a guy in a van was following us, TE>NI>Steve wasn't too happy about that. TE>A guy in a van was following you?!?! Ugh, that sucks!!! TE>you got away from him, I hope, with no trouble? Hey, of course we got away, no problems! --- þ OLX 2.1 TD þ Lawyer:a cat who settles disputes between mice. Date: Sunday, January 5, 1997 6:35pm Forum: Xrated From: Nightbird Msg#: 725415 To: Wanderer Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #725257, Reply to #725211, Reply to #725181, R*) WA>hi,nightbird!!!!!!,hi,tempest!!!!!! WA>sounds like you guys would really WA>appreciate a clothing optional vacation WA>spot.long strolls,or just lying together WA>on a nice warm beach,totall{ nude,or WA>how about a nice cruise,just you and WA>your partner enjoying the fresh warm air, WA>totally nude. WA>if you guys are interested,give me a WA>buzz!!!! Maybe after July! --- þ OLX 2.1 TD þ All we are saying is give peas a chance.-The Green Giant Date: Sunday, January 5, 1997 6:44pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 725420 To: Nightbird Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #724798, Reply to #724704, Copy by Lythande, R*) (1 reply) NI>VI>SC>VI>I'm not married, but I sill indulge in indoor recreation activities NI>VI>SC>Outdoor "recreation activities" can be pretty interesting also :) NI>VI>As long as you don't get caught. :) NI>True, believe me, before Steve & I got married, we almost got caught a NI>few times but, I like doing in any room I can(hot tub are good too!) NI>--- Ah, a hot tub..... :) Date: Sunday, January 5, 1997 6:45pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 725421 To: Tempest Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #724989, Reply to #724704, Copy by Lythande, R*) (3 replies) TE>VI>SC>VI>I'm not married, but I sill indulge in indoor recreation activities TE>VI>SC>Outdoor "recreation activities" can be pretty interesting also :) TE>VI>As long as you don't get caught. :) TE>Hehehe I had a REALLY close call there once, was in a park at night and almo TE>got caught by cops, might have ended up pretty bad! Or a really kinky group scene! :) Date: Monday, January 6, 1997 8:17pm Forum: Xrated From: Nightbird Msg#: 725515 To: Vida Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #725420, Reply to #724798, Reply to #724704, C*) (1 reply) VI>NI>VI>SC>VI>I'm not married, but I sill indulge in indoor recreation activit VI>NI>VI>SC>Outdoor "recreation activities" can be pretty interesting also :) VI>NI>VI>As long as you don't get caught. :) VI>NI>True, believe me, before Steve & I got married, we almost got caught a VI>NI>few times but, I like doing in any room I can(hot tub are good too!) VI>NI>--- VI>Ah, a hot tub..... :) Fun, fun , fun, in a hot tub you can get into postions that you can't normally do. --- þ OLX 2.1 TD þ This is just a hobby. Perfection is not required. Fun is. Date: Monday, January 6, 1997 8:18pm Forum: Xrated From: Nightbird Msg#: 725522 To: Vida Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #725421, Reply to #724989, Reply to #724704, C*) VI>TE>VI>SC>VI>I'm not married, but I sill indulge in indoor recreation activit VI>TE>VI>SC>Outdoor "recreation activities" can be pretty interesting also :) VI>TE>VI>As long as you don't get caught. :) VI>TE>Hehehe I had a REALLY close call there once, was in a park at night and a VI>TE>got caught by cops, might have ended up pretty bad! VI>Or a really kinky group scene! :) Whatever! --- þ OLX 2.1 TD þ FidoNet is NOT a network of fire hydrants for dogs! Date: Monday, January 6, 1997 9:14pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 725543 To: Nightbird Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #725515, Reply to #725420, Reply to #724798, R*) (2 replies) NI>VI>NI>VI>SC>VI>I'm not married, but I sill indulge in indoor recreation acti NI>VI>NI>VI>SC>Outdoor "recreation activities" can be pretty interesting also : NI>VI>NI>VI>As long as you don't get caught. :) NI>VI>NI>True, believe me, before Steve & I got married, we almost got caught a NI>VI>NI>few times but, I like doing in any room I can(hot tub are good too!) NI>VI>NI>--- NI>VI>Ah, a hot tub..... :) NI>Fun, fun , fun, in a hot tub you can get into postions that you can't NI>normally do. NI>--- And being surrounded by warm water is so erotic! :) Date: Tuesday, January 7, 1997 9:55pm Forum: Xrated From: Nightbird Msg#: 725648 To: Vida Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #725543, Reply to #725515, Reply to #725420, R*) (1 reply) VI>NI>VI>NI>VI>SC>VI>I'm not married, but I sill indulge in indoor recreation a VI>NI>VI>NI>VI>SC>Outdoor "recreation activities" can be pretty interesting als VI>NI>VI>NI>VI>As long as you don't get caught. :) VI>NI>VI>NI>True, believe me, before Steve & I got married, we almost got caugh VI>NI>VI>NI>few times but, I like doing in any room I can(hot tub are good too! VI>NI>VI>NI>--- VI>NI>VI>Ah, a hot tub..... :) VI>NI>Fun, fun , fun, in a hot tub you can get into postions that you can't VI>NI>normally do. VI>NI>--- VI>And being surrounded by warm water is so erotic! :) Yes, it truly is! Too bad I have to go to Maryland to get in one! --- þ OLX 2.1 TD þ This looks like a job for...Dieflatermouse. Date: Wednesday, January 8, 1997 4:23am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 725694 To: Wanderer Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #725257, Reply to #725211, Reply to #725181, R*) WA>hi,nightbird!!!!!!,hi,tempest!!!!!! WA>sounds like you guys would really WA>appreciate a clothing optional vacation WA>spot.long strolls,or just lying together WA>on a nice warm beach,totall{ nude,or WA>how about a nice cruise,just you and WA>your partner enjoying the fresh warm air, WA>totally nude. WA>if you guys are interested,give me a WA>buzz!!!! That would be fun, actually. Know of some spots? Date: Wednesday, January 8, 1997 4:24am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 725695 To: Nightbird Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #725407, Reply to #725210, Reply to #725180, R*) (1 reply) NNI>TE>Yeah, I like trying different places as well, it's fun! I tried the NI>TE>beach once, that is NICE. In fact, me and my ex's names might still be NI>TE>up on that wall all the way at the end of Brighton Beach hehehe... NI>TE>I like the beach especially, cause it's so nice and peaceful, and you NI>TE>could hear the waves and all that... it's beautiful. NI>sounds good, I'm dragging Steve there soon! It is good! Make sure it's nighttime and unpopulated! :) Date: Wednesday, January 8, 1997 4:28am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 725696 To: Nightbird Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #725408, Reply to #725211, Reply to #725181, R*) (1 reply) NNI>TE>NI>Well, when you happen to be at Delacote castle in a rain storm, you do NI>TE>NI>things you wouldn't try any other time. NI>TE>Delacote castle? Where's that? NI>Central Park, about 79 Street, west side, oh, I goofed, It's Belvedere NI>Castle, next to the delacote theatre. Ahh! Thanks for the info! Wow, that does sound like a really nice place to do things during a rainstorm :) hmmm, I think I know the castle you're talking about, too - is it the one that stands over this huge cliff? If so, I didn't know it had a name! NI> TE>NI>I also got caught in flushing meadow, a guy in a van was NI>following us, TE>NI>Steve wasn't too happy about that. NI>TE>A guy in a van was following you?!?! Ugh, that sucks!!! NI>TE>you got away from him, I hope, with no trouble? NI>Hey, of course we got away, no problems! That's good!!! Date: Wednesday, January 8, 1997 4:29am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 725697 To: Vida Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #725421, Reply to #724989, Reply to #724704, C*) (1 reply) VI>TE>VI>SC>VI>I'm not married, but I sill indulge in indoor recreation activit VI>TE>VI>SC>Outdoor "recreation activities" can be pretty interesting also :) VI>TE>VI>As long as you don't get caught. :) VI>TE>Hehehe I had a REALLY close call there once, was in a park at night and a VI>TE>got caught by cops, might have ended up pretty bad! VI>Or a really kinky group scene! :) ROTFL! True! I hope those cops were cute :) Date: Wednesday, January 8, 1997 4:33am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 725698 To: Vida Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #725543, Reply to #725515, Reply to #725420, R*) (1 reply) VI>NI>VI>NI>VI>SC>VI>I'm not married, but I sill indulge in indoor recreation a VI>NI>VI>NI>VI>SC>Outdoor "recreation activities" can be pretty interesting als VI>NI>VI>NI>VI>As long as you don't get caught. :) VI>NI>VI>NI>True, believe me, before Steve & I got married, we almost got caugh VI>NI>VI>NI>few times but, I like doing in any room I can(hot tub are good too! VI>NI>VI>NI>--- VI>NI>VI>Ah, a hot tub..... :) VI>NI>Fun, fun , fun, in a hot tub you can get into postions that you can't VI>NI>normally do. VI>NI>--- VI>And being surrounded by warm water is so erotic! :) That sounds so good!! You know, I've never been able to get it on in the water, cause the water always seems to wash away the wetness.. I've never heard of anyone else having that problem though! Date: Wednesday, January 8, 1997 9:29pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 725800 To: Nightbird Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #725648, Reply to #725543, Reply to #725515, R*) (1 reply) NI>VI>NI>VI>NI>VI>SC>VI>I'm not married, but I sill indulge in indoor recreatio NI>VI>NI>VI>NI>VI>SC>Outdoor "recreation activities" can be pretty interesting NI>VI>NI>VI>NI>VI>As long as you don't get caught. :) NI>VI>NI>VI>NI>True, believe me, before Steve & I got married, we almost got ca NI>VI>NI>VI>NI>few times but, I like doing in any room I can(hot tub are good t NI>VI>NI>VI>NI>--- NI>VI>NI>VI>Ah, a hot tub..... :) NI>VI>NI>Fun, fun , fun, in a hot tub you can get into postions that you can't NI>VI>NI>normally do. NI>VI>NI>--- NI>VI>And being surrounded by warm water is so erotic! :) NI>Yes, it truly is! NI>Too bad I have to go to Maryland to get in one! NI>--- I'm sure if you looked, you could find one closer at hand. :) Date: Wednesday, January 8, 1997 9:29pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 725801 To: Tempest Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #725697, Reply to #725421, Reply to #724989, R*) (1 reply) TE>VI>TE>VI>SC>VI>I'm not married, but I sill indulge in indoor recreation acti TE>VI>TE>VI>SC>Outdoor "recreation activities" can be pretty interesting also : TE>VI>TE>VI>As long as you don't get caught. :) TE>VI>TE>Hehehe I had a REALLY close call there once, was in a park at night an TE>VI>TE>got caught by cops, might have ended up pretty bad! TE>VI>Or a really kinky group scene! :) TE>ROTFL! True! I hope those cops were cute :) Otherwise, it wouldn't be very fun, now! Date: Wednesday, January 8, 1997 9:31pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 725803 To: Tempest Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #725698, Reply to #725543, Reply to #725515, R*) (1 reply) TE>VI>NI>VI>NI>VI>SC>VI>I'm not married, but I sill indulge in indoor recreatio TE>VI>NI>VI>NI>VI>SC>Outdoor "recreation activities" can be pretty interesting TE>VI>NI>VI>NI>VI>As long as you don't get caught. :) TE>VI>NI>VI>NI>True, believe me, before Steve & I got married, we almost got ca TE>VI>NI>VI>NI>few times but, I like doing in any room I can(hot tub are good t TE>VI>NI>VI>NI>--- TE>VI>NI>VI>Ah, a hot tub..... :) TE>VI>NI>Fun, fun , fun, in a hot tub you can get into postions that you can't TE>VI>NI>normally do. TE>VI>NI>--- TE>VI>And being surrounded by warm water is so erotic! :) TE>That sounds so good!! You know, I've never been able to get it on in the TE>water, cause the water always seems to wash away the wetness.. TE>I've never heard of anyone else having that problem though! I have experienced the same problem. But you can still enjoy the sensuality. Any vaginal penetration, however, is definitely NOT advisable however! Date: Friday, January 10, 1997 2:15pm Forum: Xrated From: Steve Flur Msg#: 725960 To: Nightbird Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #725180, Reply to #725113, Reply to #725073, R*) (2 replies) NI>TE>I>TE>I>SC>VI>I'm not married, but I sill indulge in indoor recreation act NI>TE>NI>TE>VI>SC>Outdoor "recreation activities" can be pretty interesting als NI>TE>NI>TE>VI>As long as you don't get caught. :) NI>TE>NI>TE>Hehehe I had a REALLY close call there once, was in a park at night NI>TE>NI>TE>got caught by cops, might have ended up pretty bad! NI>TE>NI>Tempest, if certain picnic tables in Flushing Meadow Park could talk, NI>TE>NI>would be in trouble. NI>TE>ROTFL! Picnic tables! Nice! Well, if a certain rock in Central Park, and NI>TE>the Hellgate bridge in Astoria Park, and certain benches in Tompkins NI>TE>Square Park could talk... hehehehh... never mind >:) NI>Well, when Steve & I were going out, we would try to do it anywhere we NI>could & I do mean ANYWHERE but I still haven't tryed out the beach(I NI>would really love to give that a try!) NI>--- NI> þ OLX 2.1 TD þ Happiness is Bill Clinton's face on a milk carton The beach can be real fun! Date: Friday, January 10, 1997 7:01pm Forum: Xrated From: Nightbird Msg#: 726048 To: Tempest Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #725695, Reply to #725407, Reply to #725210, R*) (1 reply) TE>NI>TE>Yeah, I like trying different places as well, it's fun! I tried the TE>NI>TE>beach once, that is NICE. In fact, me and my ex's names might still be TE>NI>TE>up on that wall all the way at the end of Brighton Beach hehehe... TE>NI>TE>I like the beach especially, cause it's so nice and peaceful, and you TE>NI>TE>could hear the waves and all that... it's beautiful. TE>NI>sounds good, I'm dragging Steve there soon! TE>It is good! Make sure it's nighttime and unpopulated! :) With Coney Island, I'll never know. --- þ OLX 2.1 TD þ **/ \*=Tribbles in a sword fight. Date: Friday, January 10, 1997 7:01pm Forum: Xrated From: Nightbird Msg#: 726049 To: Tempest Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #725696, Reply to #725408, Reply to #725211, R*) TE>NI>TE>NI>Well, when you happen to be at Delacote castle in a rain storm, you TE>NI>TE>NI>things you wouldn't try any other time. TE>NI>TE>Delacote castle? Where's that? TE>NI>Central Park, about 79 Street, west side, oh, I goofed, It's Belvedere TE>NI>Castle, next to the delacote theatre. TE>Ahh! Thanks for the info! Wow, that does sound like a really nice place TE>to do things during a rainstorm :) hmmm, I think I know the castle TE>you're talking about, too - is it the one that stands over this huge TE>cliff? If so, I didn't know it had a name! Yep, that's the one. TE>NI> TE>NI>I also got caught in flushing meadow, a guy in a van was TE>NI>following us, TE>NI>Steve wasn't too happy about that. TE>NI>TE>A guy in a van was following you?!?! Ugh, that sucks!!! TE>NI>TE>you got away from him, I hope, with no trouble? TE>NI>Hey, of course we got away, no problems! TE>That's good!!! Of course! --- þ OLX 2.1 TD þ Egyptian tourists don't die -- they go senile. - Jean D. Date: Friday, January 10, 1997 7:01pm Forum: Xrated From: Nightbird Msg#: 726050 To: Vida Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #725800, Reply to #725648, Reply to #725543, R*) (1 reply) VI>NI>VI>NI>VI>NI>VI>SC>VI>I'm not married, but I sill indulge in indoor recrea VI>NI>VI>NI>VI>NI>VI>SC>Outdoor "recreation activities" can be pretty interesti VI>NI>VI>NI>VI>NI>VI>As long as you don't get caught. :) VI>NI>VI>NI>VI>NI>True, believe me, before Steve & I got married, we almost got VI>NI>VI>NI>VI>NI>few times but, I like doing in any room I can(hot tub are goo VI>NI>VI>NI>VI>NI>--- VI>NI>VI>NI>VI>Ah, a hot tub..... :) VI>NI>VI>NI>Fun, fun , fun, in a hot tub you can get into postions that you can VI>NI>VI>NI>normally do. VI>NI>VI>NI>--- VI>NI>VI>And being surrounded by warm water is so erotic! :) VI>NI>Yes, it truly is! VI>NI>Too bad I have to go to Maryland to get in one! VI>NI>--- VI>I'm sure if you looked, you could find one closer at hand. :) More than likely but it's gives me a good excuse to go to Maryland(Steve's Goddaughter is there) --- þ OLX 2.1 TD þ What's this thing on my modem line, this "telephone"? Date: Friday, January 10, 1997 8:16pm Forum: Xrated From: Nightbird Msg#: 726073 To: Steve Flur Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #725960, Reply to #725180, Reply to #725113, R*) (1 reply) SF>I>TE>I>TE>I>SC>VI>I'm not married, but I sill indulge in indoor recreation a SF>NI>TE>NI>TE>VI>SC>Outdoor "recreation activities" can be pretty interesting SF>NI>TE>NI>TE>VI>As long as you don't get caught. :) SF>NI>TE>NI>TE>Hehehe I had a REALLY close call there once, was in a park at ni SF>NI>TE>NI>TE>got caught by cops, might have ended up pretty bad! SF>NI>TE>NI>Tempest, if certain picnic tables in Flushing Meadow Park could tal SF>NI>TE>NI>would be in trouble. SF>NI>TE>ROTFL! Picnic tables! Nice! Well, if a certain rock in Central Park, a SF>NI>TE>the Hellgate bridge in Astoria Park, and certain benches in Tompkins SF>NI>TE>Square Park could talk... hehehehh... never mind >:) SF>NI>Well, when Steve & I were going out, we would try to do it anywhere we SF>NI>could & I do mean ANYWHERE but I still haven't tryed out the beach(I SF>NI>would really love to give that a try!) SF>The beach can be real fun! I really do have to give it a try! --- þ OLX 2.1 TD þ Prayer in the schools? Algebra in the pulpits! Date: Friday, January 10, 1997 8:32pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 726085 To: Nightbird Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #726050, Reply to #725800, Reply to #725648, R*) (1 reply) NI>VI>NI>VI>NI>VI>NI>VI>SC>VI>I'm not married, but I sill indulge in indoor rec NI>VI>NI>VI>NI>VI>NI>VI>SC>Outdoor "recreation activities" can be pretty intere NI>VI>NI>VI>NI>VI>NI>VI>As long as you don't get caught. :) NI>VI>NI>VI>NI>VI>NI>True, believe me, before Steve & I got married, we almost NI>VI>NI>VI>NI>VI>NI>few times but, I like doing in any room I can(hot tub are NI>VI>NI>VI>NI>VI>NI>--- NI>VI>NI>VI>NI>VI>Ah, a hot tub..... :) NI>VI>NI>VI>NI>Fun, fun , fun, in a hot tub you can get into postions that you NI>VI>NI>VI>NI>normally do. NI>VI>NI>VI>NI>--- NI>VI>NI>VI>And being surrounded by warm water is so erotic! :) NI>VI>NI>Yes, it truly is! NI>VI>NI>Too bad I have to go to Maryland to get in one! NI>VI>NI>--- NI>VI>I'm sure if you looked, you could find one closer at hand. :) NI>More than likely but it's gives me a good excuse to go to NI>Maryland(Steve's Goddaughter is there) NI>--- Then try to make the visits more frequent! :) Date: Friday, January 10, 1997 9:19pm Forum: Xrated From: Nightbird Msg#: 726087 To: Steve Flur Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #725960, Reply to #725180, Reply to #725113, R*) SF>I>TE>I>TE>I>SC>VI>I'm not married, but I sill indulge in indoor recreation a SF>NI>TE>NI>TE>VI>SC>Outdoor "recreation activities" can be pretty interesting SF>NI>TE>NI>TE>VI>As long as you don't get caught. :) SF>NI>TE>NI>TE>Hehehe I had a REALLY close call there once, was in a park at ni SF>NI>TE>NI>TE>got caught by cops, might have ended up pretty bad! SF>NI>TE>NI>Tempest, if certain picnic tables in Flushing Meadow Park could tal SF>NI>TE>NI>would be in trouble. SF>NI>TE>ROTFL! Picnic tables! Nice! Well, if a certain rock in Central Park, a SF>NI>TE>the Hellgate bridge in Astoria Park, and certain benches in Tompkins SF>NI>TE>Square Park could talk... hehehehh... never mind >:) SF>NI>Well, when Steve & I were going out, we would try to do it anywhere we SF>NI>could & I do mean ANYWHERE but I still haven't tryed out the beach(I SF>NI>would really love to give that a try!) SF>The beach can be real fun! I really do have to give it a try! --- þ OLX 2.1 TD þ Prayer in the schools? Algebra in the pulpits! Date: Friday, January 10, 1997 11:24pm Forum: Xrated From: Msreality Msg#: 726105 To: ** ALL ** Re: Winter.... (Copy by Lythande) (1 reply) Well, I'm back again, and I thought I share with you a little something I thought up: Winter W stands for warm wet kisses, I stands for imersing yourself in ecxtasy, N stands for nipples that need to be caressed, licked, and sucked, T stands for teasing yourself (or lover) until they explode, E stands for enjoying every second of your love making, R stands for relaxing and gearing up for round two, Msreality Date: Sunday, January 12, 1997 4:46pm Forum: Xrated From: Nightbird Msg#: 726205 To: Vida Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #726085, Reply to #726050, Reply to #725800, R*) (1 reply) VI>NI>VI>NI>Yes, it truly is! VI>NI>VI>NI>Too bad I have to go to Maryland to get in one! VI>NI>VI>I'm sure if you looked, you could find one closer at hand. :) VI>NI>More than likely but it's gives me a good excuse to go to VI>NI>Maryland(Steve's Goddaughter is there) VI>Then try to make the visits more frequent! :) Yes, as long as I don't go by Amtrak($300 a weekend round trip for me & Steve, ouch, I'm looking into a bus for May) --- þ OLX 2.1 TD þ Tagline Lotto: {}{}{}{}{}<-Scatch here for prize. Date: Sunday, January 12, 1997 6:55pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 726213 To: Nightbird Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #726205, Reply to #726085, Reply to #726050, R*) (2 replies) NI>VI>NI>VI>NI>Yes, it truly is! NI>VI>NI>VI>NI>Too bad I have to go to Maryland to get in one! NI>VI>NI>VI>I'm sure if you looked, you could find one closer at hand. :) NI>VI>NI>More than likely but it's gives me a good excuse to go to NI>VI>NI>Maryland(Steve's Goddaughter is there) NI>VI>Then try to make the visits more frequent! :) NI>Yes, as long as I don't go by Amtrak($300 a weekend round trip for me & NI>Steve, ouch, I'm looking into a bus for May) NI>--- Ouch, is right! :( Date: Monday, January 13, 1997 7:07am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 726311 To: Vida Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #725801, Reply to #725697, Reply to #725421, R*) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SC>VI>I'm not married, but I sill indulge in indoor recreation a VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SC>Outdoor "recreation activities" can be pretty interesting als VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>As long as you don't get caught. :) VI>TE>VI>TE>Hehehe I had a REALLY close call there once, was in a park at night VI>TE>VI>TE>got caught by cops, might have ended up pretty bad! VI>TE>VI>Or a really kinky group scene! :) VI>TE>ROTFL! True! I hope those cops were cute :) VI>Otherwise, it wouldn't be very fun, now! Nope, not too much fun in that case! Date: Monday, January 13, 1997 7:13am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 726315 To: Vida Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #725803, Reply to #725698, Reply to #725543, R*) (1 reply) VVI>TE>VI>And being surrounded by warm water is so erotic! :) VI>TE>That sounds so good!! You know, I've never been able to get it on in the VI>TE>water, cause the water always seems to wash away the wetness.. VI>TE>I've never heard of anyone else having that problem though! VI>I have experienced the same problem. But you can still enjoy the VI>sensuality. Any vaginal penetration, however, is definitely NOT VI>advisable however! This is true, being surrounded by water in itself is very sensual! I'm glad to know, though, that I'm not the only one who had that problem! And hey, it would be fun to see how long you could hold your breath and go down on someone underwater :) Date: Monday, January 13, 1997 7:16am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 726316 To: Nightbird Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #726048, Reply to #725695, Reply to #725407, R*) (1 reply) NI>TE>NI>TE>Yeah, I like trying different places as well, it's fun! I tried the NI>TE>NI>TE>beach once, that is NICE. In fact, me and my ex's names might still NI>TE>NI>TE>up on that wall all the way at the end of Brighton Beach hehehe... NI>TE>NI>TE>I like the beach especially, cause it's so nice and peaceful, and y NI>TE>NI>TE>could hear the waves and all that... it's beautiful. NI>TE>NI>sounds good, I'm dragging Steve there soon! NI>TE>It is good! Make sure it's nighttime and unpopulated! :) NI>With Coney Island, I'll never know. With Coney Island, that can be difficult! If you guys have a car, the whole thing would probably be nicer if you went to a cleaner, more depopulated beach. If not - I find that the Brighton Beach part is quieter and less people at night than the Coney Island part. Date: Monday, January 13, 1997 7:20am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 726317 To: Msreality Re: Winter.... (Reply to #726105, Copy by Lythande) (1 reply) Nice! That sure sheds a wonderful light on the idea of winter :) Date: Monday, January 13, 1997 7:29am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 726318 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: Holiday Recipe (1 reply) I know it's a couple of weeks late, but I was looking through my heaps of paper and found this holiday recipe that my boss from my former job at the New York Hospital Erectile Dysfunction Unit thought up... It's cute, here goes - Recipe For the Holidays BANANA BREAD Ingredients: 2 laughing eyes 2 loving arms 2 well-shaped legs 2 firm milk containers 1 fur-lined mixing bowl 1 banana Mixing instructions: 1. Look into laughing eyes 2. Spread well-shaped legs 3. Squeeze and massage milk containers gently until fur-lined mixing bowl is well greased 4. Add banana and work in and out until well creamed 5. Cover with nuts and sigh with relief Note: Bread is done when banana is soft Be sure to wash mixing utensils and do not lick the bowl. Date: Monday, January 13, 1997 7:08pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 726330 To: Vida Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #726213, Reply to #726205, Reply to #726085, R*) /General! Date: Monday, January 13, 1997 7:09pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 726331 To: Nightbird Re: Mother's Day (Reply to #726218, Reply to #726213, Reply to #726205, R*) /General! Date: Monday, January 13, 1997 8:08pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 726335 To: Tempest Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #726315, Reply to #725803, Reply to #725698, R*) (2 replies) TE>VVI>TE>VI>And being surrounded by warm water is so erotic! :) TE>VI>TE>That sounds so good!! You know, I've never been able to get it on in t TE>VI>TE>water, cause the water always seems to wash away the wetness.. TE>VI>TE>I've never heard of anyone else having that problem though! TE>VI>I have experienced the same problem. But you can still enjoy the TE>VI>sensuality. Any vaginal penetration, however, is definitely NOT TE>VI>advisable however! TE>This is true, being surrounded by water in itself is very sensual! TE>I'm glad to know, though, that I'm not the only one who had that TE>problem! TE>And hey, it would be fun to see how long you could hold your breath and TE>go down on someone underwater :) Sounds like an interesting experiment! :) Date: Monday, January 13, 1997 8:40pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 726336 To: Vida Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #726335, Reply to #726315, Reply to #725803, R*) (1 reply) VI>TE>VVI>TE>VI>And being surrounded by warm water is so erotic! :) VI>TE>VI>TE>That sounds so good!! You know, I've never been able to get it on i VI>TE>VI>TE>water, cause the water always seems to wash away the wetness VI>TE>VI>TE>I've never heard of anyone else having that problem though! VI>TE>VI>I have experienced the same problem. But you can still enjoy the VI>TE>VI>sensuality. Any vaginal penetration, however, is definitely NOT VI>TE>VI>advisable however! VI>TE>This is true, being surrounded by water in itself is very sensual! VI>TE>I'm glad to know, though, that I'm not the only one who had that VI>TE>problem! VI>TE>And hey, it would be fun to see how long you could hold your breath and VI>TE>go down on someone underwater :) VI>Sounds like an interesting experiment! :) I think so! And, the expression "come up for air" would hold even more true than usual in this case :) Date: Monday, January 13, 1997 5:52am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 726510 To: ** ALL ** Re: Emergency Sexual Services (Fw by Lythande, Reply to #725985, Reply to #720263, Rep*) (1 reply) -------------< COMMENTS BY Lythande >-------------- TO: Lythande ----------< END OF COMMENTS BY Lythande >---------- LY>TE>Well like I said a job with city EMS will pay for a paramedic course, it LY>TE>doesn't even have to be a degree program - they will pay for the LY>TE>paramedic course AS LONG AS you work as a paramedic for them for 2 years LY>TE>or something like that. LY>TE>I'm still taking pre Physician Assistant classes (anatomy, physiology, LY>TE>chemistry, etc.). Which incidentally are some of the same courses u take LY>TE>in the paramedic program, so maybe I can get these credits transferred LY>TE>when I go for medic. LY>Did you start school this semester??? Not yet, a couple more weeks. Ugh. LY>TE>As far as I'm concerned, I could write about them here! Most of them LY>TE>aren't pornographic! LY>(yawn) Well, what did you expect, this is Emergency Medical Services, not Emergency Sexual Services (although I do the latter as well hehehehe >:) Date: Tuesday, January 14, 1997 7:59pm Forum: Xrated From: Msreality Msg#: 726531 To: Tempest Re: Winter.... (Reply to #726317, Reply to #726105, Copy by Lythande) (1 reply) TE>Nice! That sure sheds a wonderful light on the idea of winter :) It does, doesn't it.....a warm cozy light! Date: Tuesday, January 14, 1997 9:23pm Forum: Xrated From: Nightbird Msg#: 726570 To: Vida Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #726335, Reply to #726315, Reply to #725803, R*) (1 reply) VI>TE>VVI>TE>VI>And being surrounded by warm water is so erotic! :) VI>TE>VI>TE>That sounds so good!! You know, I've never been able to get it on i VI>TE>VI>TE>water, cause the water always seems to wash away the wetness VI>TE>VI>TE>I've never heard of anyone else having that problem though! VI>TE>VI>I have experienced the same problem. But you can still enjoy the VI>TE>VI>sensuality. Any vaginal penetration, however, is definitely NOT VI>TE>VI>advisable however! VI>TE>This is true, being surrounded by water in itself is very sensual! VI>TE>I'm glad to know, though, that I'm not the only one who had that VI>TE>problem! VI>TE>And hey, it would be fun to see how long you could hold your breath and VI>TE>go down on someone underwater :) VI>Sounds like an interesting experiment! :) Actully, it does sounds interesting, Steve, get over here!!! --- þ OLX 2.1 TD þ Confusion(n.): Donald Duck speaking Klingon. Date: Tuesday, January 14, 1997 9:24pm Forum: Xrated From: Nightbird Msg#: 726577 To: Tempest Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #726316, Reply to #726048, Reply to #725695, R*) (1 reply) TE>I>TE>NI>TE>Yeah, I like trying different places as well, it's fun! I tried t TE>NI>TE>NI>TE>beach once, that is NICE. In fact, me and my ex's names might st TE>NI>TE>NI>TE>up on that wall all the way at the end of Brighton Beach hehehe. TE>NI>TE>NI>TE>I like the beach especially, cause it's so nice and peaceful, an TE>NI>TE>NI>TE>could hear the waves and all that... it's beautiful. TE>NI>TE>NI>sounds good, I'm dragging Steve there soon! TE>NI>TE>It is good! Make sure it's nighttime and unpopulated! :) TE>NI>With Coney Island, I'll never know. TE>With Coney Island, that can be difficult! If you guys have a car, the TE>whole thing would probably be nicer if you went to a cleaner, more TE>depopulated beach. TE>If not - I find that the Brighton Beach part is quieter and less people TE>at night than the Coney Island part. Brighton is also cleaner!!! --- þ OLX 2.1 TD þ The Secrecy of my job prevents me from knowing what I do. Date: Wednesday, January 15, 1997 8:46pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 726693 To: Tempest Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #726336, Reply to #726335, Reply to #726315, R*) TE>VI>TE>VVI>TE>VI>And being surrounded by warm water is so erotic! :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>That sounds so good!! You know, I've never been able to get it o TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>water, cause the water always seems to wash away the wetn TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>I've never heard of anyone else having that problem though! TE>VI>TE>VI>I have experienced the same problem. But you can still enjoy the TE>VI>TE>VI>sensuality. Any vaginal penetration, however, is definitely NOT TE>VI>TE>VI>advisable however! TE>VI>TE>This is true, being surrounded by water in itself is very sensual! TE>VI>TE>I'm glad to know, though, that I'm not the only one who had that TE>VI>TE>problem! TE>VI>TE>And hey, it would be fun to see how long you could hold your breath an TE>VI>TE>go down on someone underwater :) TE>VI>Sounds like an interesting experiment! :) TE>I think so! And, the expression "come up for air" would hold even more TE>true than usual in this case :) That's for sure! :) Date: Wednesday, January 15, 1997 8:47pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 726694 To: Nightbird Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #726570, Reply to #726335, Reply to #726315, R*) (1 reply) NI>VI>TE>VVI>TE>VI>And being surrounded by warm water is so erotic! :) NI>VI>TE>VI>TE>That sounds so good!! You know, I've never been able to get it o NI>VI>TE>VI>TE>water, cause the water always seems to wash away the wetn NI>VI>TE>VI>TE>I've never heard of anyone else having that problem though! NI>VI>TE>VI>I have experienced the same problem. But you can still enjoy the NI>VI>TE>VI>sensuality. Any vaginal penetration, however, is definitely NOT NI>VI>TE>VI>advisable however! NI>VI>TE>This is true, being surrounded by water in itself is very sensual! NI>VI>TE>I'm glad to know, though, that I'm not the only one who had that NI>VI>TE>problem! NI>VI>TE>And hey, it would be fun to see how long you could hold your breath an NI>VI>TE>go down on someone underwater :) NI>VI>Sounds like an interesting experiment! :) NI>Actully, it does sounds interesting, Steve, get over here!!! NI>--- Always ready to lend a helpful suggestion! :) Date: Thursday, January 16, 1997 2:10am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 726763 To: Nightbird Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #726577, Reply to #726316, Reply to #726048, R*) (2 replies) NI>TE>I>TE>NI>TE>Yeah, I like trying different places as well, it's fun! I trie NI>TE>NI>TE>NI>TE>beach once, that is NICE. In fact, me and my ex's names might NI>TE>NI>TE>NI>TE>up on that wall all the way at the end of Brighton Beach hehe NI>TE>NI>TE>NI>TE>I like the beach especially, cause it's so nice and peaceful, NI>TE>NI>TE>NI>TE>could hear the waves and all that... it's beautiful. NI>TE>NI>TE>NI>sounds good, I'm dragging Steve there soon! NI>TE>NI>TE>It is good! Make sure it's nighttime and unpopulated! :) NI>TE>NI>With Coney Island, I'll never know. NI>TE>With Coney Island, that can be difficult! If you guys have a car, the NI>TE>whole thing would probably be nicer if you went to a cleaner, more NI>TE>depopulated beach. NI>TE>If not - I find that the Brighton Beach part is quieter and less people NI>TE>at night than the Coney Island part. NI>Brighton is also cleaner!!! True! Date: Sunday, January 19, 1997 3:37pm Forum: Xrated From: Nightbird Msg#: 727024 To: Vida Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #726694, Reply to #726570, Reply to #726335, R*) (1 reply) VI>NI>VI>TE>VVI>TE>VI>And being surrounded by warm water is so erotic! :) VI>NI>VI>TE>VI>TE>That sounds so good!! You know, I've never been able to get i VI>NI>VI>TE>VI>TE>water, cause the water always seems to wash away the w VI>NI>VI>TE>VI>TE>I've never heard of anyone else having that problem though! VI>NI>VI>TE>VI>I have experienced the same problem. But you can still enjoy th VI>NI>VI>TE>VI>sensuality. Any vaginal penetration, however, is definitely NOT VI>NI>VI>TE>VI>advisable however! VI>NI>VI>TE>This is true, being surrounded by water in itself is very sensual! VI>NI>VI>TE>I'm glad to know, though, that I'm not the only one who had that VI>NI>VI>TE>problem! VI>NI>VI>TE>And hey, it would be fun to see how long you could hold your breath VI>NI>VI>TE>go down on someone underwater :) VI>NI>VI>Sounds like an interesting experiment! :) VI>NI>Actully, it does sounds interesting, Steve, get over here!!! VI>NI>--- VI>Always ready to lend a helpful suggestion! :) Fun, fun, fun! --- þ OLX 2.1 TD þ ..."Is your head clear?" "No it's opaque." Date: Sunday, January 19, 1997 3:37pm Forum: Xrated From: Nightbird Msg#: 727025 To: Tempest Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #726763, Reply to #726577, Reply to #726316, R*) TE>I>TE>I>TE>NI>TE>Yeah, I like trying different places as well, it's fun! I tr TE>NI>TE>NI>TE>NI>TE>beach once, that is NICE. In fact, me and my ex's names mi TE>NI>TE>NI>TE>NI>TE>up on that wall all the way at the end of Brighton Beach h TE>NI>TE>NI>TE>NI>TE>I like the beach especially, cause it's so nice and peacef TE>NI>TE>NI>TE>NI>TE>could hear the waves and all that... it's beautiful. TE>NI>TE>NI>TE>NI>sounds good, I'm dragging Steve there soon! TE>NI>TE>NI>TE>It is good! Make sure it's nighttime and unpopulated! :) TE>NI>TE>NI>With Coney Island, I'll never know. TE>NI>TE>With Coney Island, that can be difficult! If you guys have a car, the TE>NI>TE>whole thing would probably be nicer if you went to a cleaner, more TE>NI>TE>depopulated beach. TE>NI>TE>If not - I find that the Brighton Beach part is quieter and less peopl TE>NI>TE>at night than the Coney Island part. TE>NI>Brighton is also cleaner!!! TE>True! I know I like to walk on the beach, brighton is MUCH cleaner! --- þ OLX 2.1 TD þ Originality is merely plagiarism well concealed. Date: Sunday, January 19, 1997 5:31pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 727064 To: Nightbird Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #727024, Reply to #726694, Reply to #726570, R*) (1 reply) NI>VI>NI>VI>TE>VVI>TE>VI>And being surrounded by warm water is so erotic! :) NI>VI>NI>VI>TE>VI>TE>That sounds so good!! You know, I've never been able to ge NI>VI>NI>VI>TE>VI>TE>water, cause the water always seems to wash away the VI>NI>VI>TE>VI>TE>I've never heard of anyone else having that problem though NI>VI>NI>VI>TE>VI>I have experienced the same problem. But you can still enjoy NI>VI>NI>VI>TE>VI>sensuality. Any vaginal penetration, however, is definitely NI>VI>NI>VI>TE>VI>advisable however! NI>VI>NI>VI>TE>This is true, being surrounded by water in itself is very sensua NI>VI>NI>VI>TE>I'm glad to know, though, that I'm not the only one who had that NI>VI>NI>VI>TE>problem! NI>VI>NI>VI>TE>And hey, it would be fun to see how long you could hold your bre NI>VI>NI>VI>TE>go down on someone underwater :) NI>VI>NI>VI>Sounds like an interesting experiment! :) NI>VI>NI>Actully, it does sounds interesting, Steve, get over here!!! NI>VI>NI>--- NI>VI>Always ready to lend a helpful suggestion! :) NI>Fun, fun, fun! I sure hope so! :) Date: Monday, January 20, 1997 12:30pm Forum: Xrated From: Nightbird Msg#: 727110 To: Vida Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #727064, Reply to #727024, Reply to #726694, R*) (1 reply) VI>NI>VI>NI>VI>Sounds like an interesting experiment! :) VI>NI>VI>NI>Actully, it does sounds interesting, Steve, get over here!!! VI>NI>VI>NI>--- VI>NI>VI>Always ready to lend a helpful suggestion! :) VI>NI>Fun, fun, fun! VI>I sure hope so! :) You & me both. --- þ OLX 2.1 TD þ We're sorry, but reality is not in service at this time. Date: Monday, January 20, 1997 6:43pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 727182 To: Nightbird Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #727110, Reply to #727064, Reply to #727024, R*) (1 reply) NI>VI>NI>VI>NI>VI>Sounds like an interesting experiment! :) NI>VI>NI>VI>NI>Actully, it does sounds interesting, Steve, get over here!!! NI>VI>NI>VI>NI>--- NI>VI>NI>VI>Always ready to lend a helpful suggestion! :) NI>VI>NI>Fun, fun, fun! NI>VI>I sure hope so! :) NI>You & me both. NI>--- Make it so! :) Date: Tuesday, January 21, 1997 8:02pm Forum: Xrated From: Nightbird Msg#: 727234 To: Vida Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #727182, Reply to #727110, Reply to #727064, R*) VI>NI>You & me both. VI>NI>--- VI>Make it so! :) One day I will, beileve you me. --- þ OLX 2.1 TD þ Time Lords say: 'Go ahead, make my yesterday.' - R Wilson Date: Wednesday, January 22, 1997 10:55am Forum: Xrated From: Wanderer Msg#: 727289 To: ** ALL ** Re: Ly buttered up (Fw by Lythande, Reply to #726865, Reply to #726804, Rep*) (1 reply) -------------< COMMENTS BY Lythande >-------------- TO: Lythande ----------< END OF COMMENTS BY Lythande >---------- hi,lythande!!!!!yes i would most certainly love to see a buttered up lytehand!! what a sensous sight that would be!! butter spread across the supple skin of our sysop.butter gently dripping off of her hard,pink nipples!!! wow!!!!i am excited just thinking about it!! Date: Wednesday, January 22, 1997 6:03pm Forum: Xrated From: Sysop Msg#: 727298 To: Wanderer Re: Ly buttered up (Reply to #727289, Fw by Lythande, Reply to #726865, Rep*) (1 reply) WA>hi,lythande!!!!!yes i would most certainly WA>love to see a buttered up lytehand!! WA>what a sensous sight that would be!! WA>butter spread across the supple skin WA>of our sysop.butter gently dripping off WA>of her hard,pink nipples!!! WA>wow!!!!i am excited just thinking about it!! Well, if you get excited just thinking about it, you should see the real thing :) Now where's my butter...Ohhh, Debbbbbb! Date: Thursday, February 20, 1997 2:41pm Forum: Xrated From: Steve Flur Msg#: 729990 To: Nightbird Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #726073, Reply to #725960, Reply to #725180, R*) NI>SF>I>TE>I>TE>I>SC>VI>I'm not married, but I sill indulge in indoor recreatio NI>SF>NI>TE>NI>TE>VI>SC>Outdoor "recreation activities" can be pretty interesti NI>SF>NI>TE>NI>TE>VI>As long as you don't get caught. :) NI>SF>NI>TE>NI>TE>Hehehe I had a REALLY close call there once, was in a park at NI>SF>NI>TE>NI>TE>got caught by cops, might have ended up pretty bad! NI>SF>NI>TE>NI>Tempest, if certain picnic tables in Flushing Meadow Park could NI>SF>NI>TE>NI>would be in trouble. NI>SF>NI>TE>ROTFL! Picnic tables! Nice! Well, if a certain rock in Central Park NI>SF>NI>TE>the Hellgate bridge in Astoria Park, and certain benches in Tompkin NI>SF>NI>TE>Square Park could talk... hehehehh... never mind >:) NI>SF>NI>Well, when Steve & I were going out, we would try to do it anywhere we NI>SF>NI>could & I do mean ANYWHERE but I still haven't tryed out the beach(I NI>SF>NI>would really love to give that a try!) NI>SF>The beach can be real fun! NI>I really do have to give it a try! NI>--- NI> þ OLX 2.1 TD þ Prayer in the schools? Algebra in the pulpits! Almost warm enough to try out the beach! Date: Friday, March 14, 1997 9:55pm Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 731294 To: ** ALL ** Re: The Goddess Of Lust (1 reply) Hey you little studmuffins and studmuffinas! Your Mistress has returned... HELLO? WHAT? You dont remember me? Well... for those of you who do... :-* and those of you who dont... GET WITH THE PROGRAM! :-) The floor here isnt as sticky as I remembered it... why not? LET THE JUICES FLOW! <<>>'s Date: Monday, March 17, 1997 6:54am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 731494 To: ** ALL ** Re: Silk dildos (Fw by Lythande, Copy by Lythande, Reply to #731348, Rep*) (2 replies) -------------< COMMENTS BY Lythande >-------------- TO: Vida ----------< END OF COMMENTS BY Lythande >---------- LY>VI>LY>VI>LY>Now, now. With all your talk about silk dildos that wasn't nece LY>VI>LY>VI>LY>so...... LY>VI>LY>VI>I was never big on using dildos personally. LY>VI>LY>VI>LY>But, I agree - I definitely prefer a tongue to a dildo. LY>VI>LY>VI>YUP! And fingers are nice too! :) LY>VI>LY>Um hum.....if the fingers know what they're doing! LY>VI>That's essential!!! :) LY>Hmmmmmmm. LY>Would it be okay for this message to go to /Xrated? (this is NOT a LY>rhetorical question - I never move messages from /Ladies without asking LY>permission - especially not one like this!) You're the sysop sweetheart. Hugs, Vida Date: Sunday, March 23, 1997 12:58am Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 731621 To: Vida Re: Silk dildos (Reply to #731494, Fw by Lythande, Copy by Lythande, Rep*) (2 replies) I vote for tongues and/or fingers over plastic or any other nonorganic material... But I agree... they must know what to do! Date: Sunday, March 23, 1997 7:55am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 731632 To: Synne Re: Silk dildos (Reply to #731621, Reply to #731494, Fw by Lythande, Cop*) (2 replies) SY>I vote for tongues and/or fingers over plastic or any other nonorganic SY>material... SY>But I agree... they must know what to do! That goes without saying....on both accounts! :) Date: Sunday, March 23, 1997 1:46am Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 731635 To: ** ALL ** Re: The Goddess Of Lust (Copy by Calvin, Reply to #731393, Reply to #731307, Cop*) (1 reply) -------------< COMMENTS BY Calvin >-------------- TO: Lythande ----------< END OF COMMENTS BY Calvin >---------- Thanks for waiting for me :-) Lying down, warm flesh against cold, slippery satin... Do what you wish... Date: Monday, March 24, 1997 2:08am Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 731703 To: Vida Re: Silk dildos (Reply to #731632, Reply to #731621, Reply to #731494, F*) (1 reply) I dont get the whole dildo thing... I wonder who the first person to shove plastic inside them was... Did you ever see the clear ones? or the glow in the dark ones? NOTHING that glows goes inside my body... PERIOD. bleh. Date: Monday, March 24, 1997 6:44am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 731706 To: Synne Re: Silk dildos (Reply to #731703, Reply to #731632, Reply to #731621, R*) SY>I dont get the whole dildo thing... I wonder who the first person to SY>shove plastic inside them was... Probably some pre-historic lesbian. :) SY>Did you ever see the clear ones? or the glow in the dark ones? NOTHING SY>that glows goes inside my body... PERIOD. bleh. I have never seen either the clear or glow in the dark types. I view dildos as good toys. They fun to play with, but not to the exclusion of a real person! Date: Monday, March 24, 1997 2:51pm Forum: Xrated From: Steve Flur Msg#: 731730 To: ** ALL ** Re: That anatomy that gets hard that makes men so easy (Fw by Lythande, Reply to #731655, Reply to #731580, Rep*) -------------< COMMENTS BY Lythande >-------------- TO: Lythande ----------< END OF COMMENTS BY Lythande >---------- LY>TE>LY>TE>LY>TE>Insult me then kiss up to me, huh? (smirk) LY>TE>LY>TE>LY>Only you would know that was a compliment! LY>TE>LY>TE>What, that I'm easy? Or that I'm a dumb blonde? :) LY>TE>LY>Lessee....you're defintely blonde. I know you're not dumb..... LY>TE>LY>Are you easy? Hehehehheeeeeeeeeee LY>TE>Well, i don't have the right anatomy to be hard, so I guess I LY>TE>must be easy :) LY>Nah - it's that anatomy that gets hard that makes men so easy! Tell me more, but maybe not here! Date: Monday, March 24, 1997 10:13pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 731740 To: Steve Flur Re: Strap on's (Reply to #717026, Reply to #716966, Reply to #716745, R*) (1 reply) SF>LY>SF>Behaviors are risky, not groups! SF>LY>But, some groups practice those risky behaviours quite a bit more than SF>LY>other groups. SF>So, which "group" engages in sex more? Neither, of course. But, I'd think that homosexual males practice anal sex quite a bit more than any other group. Date: Monday, March 24, 1997 10:14pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 731742 To: Steve Flur Re: Strap on's (Reply to #717027, Reply to #716967, Reply to #716746, R*) (2 replies) SF>Anal sex is not an any greater risk of tranmission than vaginal sex SF>since due to a number of factors there can be both blood and other SF>fluids present all of whom carry HIV. Where did you get this information, Steve? As I understand it the greater risks in anal sex comes from the greater chance of tearing and irritation, creating blood/sperm contact. Date: Monday, March 24, 1997 10:14pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 731743 To: Vida Re: Playing with DrPax (Reply to #717069, Reply to #716301, Reply to #716006, R*) (1 reply) VI>FA>VI>Pax is doing well. And he still plays pool every chance that he can VI>FA>VI>get. :) VI>FA>i hope thats often, provided it doesnt cut into the time you two spend VI>FA>together...do you play with him? (this sounds like a loaded question but VI>FA>thats my fault. :() ) VI>I play with him, but not pool. :) VI>He tried to teach me once, but the lesson didn't get very far. So, what do you play with DrPax anyway? hehehee Date: Monday, March 24, 1997 10:16pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 731744 To: Vida Re: Sex with more than one (Reply to #717070, Reply to #716325, Reply to #716008, R*) (2 replies) VI>LY>VI>SF>VI>That kind of gender ambuity in one person doesn't excite me. Wh VI>LY>VI>SF>VI>with a woman, I want a woman. When I am with a man, I want a ma VI>LY>VI>SF>Or be with both simultaneously! VI>LY>VI>I have never tried that. I have never been with more than one person a VI>LY>VI>a time sexually. VI>LY>Seems that Steve is more open-minded about this subject than you are! VI>I don't think so. VI>I can't envision Steve ever having sex with someone who wasn't male in VI>every sense of the word. Well, you're open to sex with males or females. Steve seems to be open to sex with more than one person..... So, you're both more open minded about some things! Date: Monday, March 24, 1997 10:18pm Forum: Xrated From: Wanderer Msg#: 731746 To: Vida Re: Silk dildos (Reply to #731632, Reply to #731621, Reply to #731494, F*) (2 replies) hi,folks!!!!let me introduce my tongue & fingers!!!!lay right down!!!there you go!! can you feel my soft tongue gently run of your clits,can you feel my fingers gently exploring your nipples.you are right it beats plastic!!!! Date: Monday, March 24, 1997 10:22pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 731748 To: Vida Re: Or be with both simultaneously! (Reply to #717072, Reply to #716378, Reply to #716008, R*) (1 reply) VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>That kind of gender ambuity in one person doesn't excite me. Wh VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>with a woman, I want a woman. When I am with a man, I want a ma VI>SF>VI>SF>Or be with both simultaneously! VI>SF>VI>I have never tried that. I have never been with more than one person a VI>SF>VI>a time sexually. VI>SF>With a pre-op TV you would still only require one person! VI>I can't imagine ever going to bed with a TV. I have strong political VI>disagreements with the entire concept of trans-sexuality. But we VI>should move that discussion into another sig. I agree with you on this one, but not for political reasons. It's more like what you said up there - when I'm with a man, I want a man and..... Date: Monday, March 24, 1997 10:24pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 731750 To: Faz Re: fuck friends and electric pussies (Reply to #717422, Reply to #716326, Reply to #716295, R*) (1 reply) FA>LY>Yuch! You just went to bars, picked up females and then went somewhere FA>LY>to have sex? How fulfilling. FA>Well at least for that 5 or 6 hrs it was...for me at least. heheeheh FA>I try to look at the long term benefits of a relationship now FA>though...sex aside it really is a wonderful thing to have someone to FA>come home to to gripe to....or just to tell them you missed them and FA>were thinking about them. :) Well, yeah. Sex is fun, but it's not a relationship. At this point in my life, I have no interest in sex without being able to talk to the person before, after and during! FA>Spontaneous sex, and booze. :) Those are luxuries? I must be rich! ROFL! Date: Monday, March 24, 1997 10:25pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 731751 To: Faz Re: Pervert shirt (Reply to #717423, Reply to #716327, Reply to #716296, R*) FA>LY>FA>Society tells us deviants are different and also because of this they FA>LY>FA>should be avoided! FA>LY>Yeah, but as I've told you (IF you believe me!) you can't always tell FA>LY>what someone's sexual life is like. Most people into alternative FA>LY>lifestyles sexually lead very normal, conservative lives in all other FA>LY>areas. FA>I still find it hard to believe though there is always a story about FA>some tight conservative indulging in kinkiness....and then the media has FA>a field day with it. heheehehe Maybe I'll get permission from some of my oh, so conservative friends to introduce you and let them tell you what they do in the privacy of bedrooms! Date: Monday, March 24, 1997 10:26pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 731752 To: Faz Re: sexual multitasking (Reply to #717424, Reply to #716328, Reply to #716297, R*) FA>LY>FA>LY>Oh, yes. One of his favorite things is making sure that two women FA>LY>FA>LY>satisfied. FA>LY>FA>.....such self sacrifice is wonderful to hear of in this day and age.! FA>LY>Self sacrifice nothing! More like showing off. FA>Thats showing off? whats so hard about that? FA>(Im sure im gonna hear it now!!!!!!) Oh, it's not hard at all for the kind of men who would attempt such a thing! Tiring maybe, but not difficult. Date: Monday, March 24, 1997 10:27pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 731753 To: Faz Re: Pervert shirt (Reply to #717425, Reply to #716329, Reply to #716299, R*) (1 reply) FA>LY>(sigh) An old crone of 40 and he's still calling me cute! FA>I would have to honestly say you sure dont ACT like a 40 yr old...and FA>thats a good thing too! :) Must be all that Geritol people are telling me to take! Date: Monday, March 24, 1997 10:27pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 731754 To: Faz Re: Pervert shirt (Reply to #717427, Reply to #716442, Reply to #715879, R*) FA>TE>FA>You are innocent looking...and a cutie too. heheheehehehe all you need FA>TE>FA>now is a ponytail hehehheeheheheh...... FA>TE>Or better yet, a pair of braids :) FA>oh yeah....now that would be a cutie look too. hehehehehh FA>Hmm, does Ed know about this???? :) Does Ed know about what??? Date: Monday, March 24, 1997 10:29pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 731755 To: Tempest Re: Strap on's (Reply to #717687, Reply to #716654, Reply to #716379, R*) (1 reply) TE>As I was saying to Thumper - vaginal sex is just about as risky as anal TE>sex (for the woman). (See my message to Thumper for detailed explanation TE>behind this). That is why the amount of HIV+ women has skyrocketed over TE>the past few years, to the point where heterosexual women are in almost TE>as much risk as homosexual men. How can that be? I thought that the risks of anal sex are because tearing, scratching is more prevalent. Date: Monday, March 24, 1997 10:30pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 731757 To: Tempest Re: 2 horny women and 1 guy (Reply to #717689, Reply to #716657, Reply to #716434, R*) TE>LY>TE>LY>True, but if I said there were two women, you should've wondered if TE>LY>TE>LY>there was more than one guy and that one guy had something to rest TE>LY>TE>LY>You have SUCH a conservative imagination! TE>LY>TE>Oh, stop! I didn't think I NEEDED to use my imagination on that one! TE>LY>TE>Thought you already told everything, didn't know there was so much mor TE>LY>TE>to it! TE>LY>TE>You made it sound like there were 2 horny women and 1 guy, and they TE>LY>TE>didn't do anything - the women wanted to but the guy didn't! TE>LY>ROTFL! There aren't many men who could be in that situation and act TE>LY>that way though I have know one.....ahem. TE>Hehehhe oh? Now this one sounds interesting :) Oh, it was. Very. Date: Monday, March 24, 1997 11:30pm Forum: Xrated From: Nightbird Msg#: 731774 To: Wanderer Re: Silk dildos (Reply to #731746, Reply to #731632, Reply to #731621, R*) WA>hi,folks!!!!let me introduce my tongue & WA>fingers!!!!lay right down!!!there you go!! WA>can you feel my soft tongue gently run WA>of your clits,can you feel my fingers WA>gently exploring your nipples.you are WA>right it beats plastic!!!! OOOH Baby!! But I think I'll let Steve C work on me!!! --- þ OLX 2.1 TD þ hAS ANYONE SEEN MY cAPSLOCK KEY? Date: Tuesday, March 25, 1997 7:04am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 731777 To: Lythande Re: Playing with DrPax (Reply to #731743, Reply to #717069, Reply to #716301, R*) (1 reply) LY>VI>FA>VI>Pax is doing well. And he still plays pool every chance that he ca LY>VI>FA>VI>get. :) LY>VI>FA>i hope thats often, provided it doesnt cut into the time you two spend LY>VI>FA>together...do you play with him? (this sounds like a loaded question b LY>VI>FA>thats my fault. :() ) LY>VI>I play with him, but not pool. :) LY>VI>He tried to teach me once, but the lesson didn't get very far. LY>So, what do you play with DrPax anyway? hehehee You are a wicked girl, you! :) Date: Tuesday, March 25, 1997 7:06am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 731778 To: Lythande Re: Sex with more than one (Reply to #731744, Reply to #717070, Reply to #716325, R*) (2 replies) LY>VI>LY>VI>SF>VI>That kind of gender ambuity in one person doesn't excite me. LY>VI>LY>VI>SF>VI>with a woman, I want a woman. When I am with a man, I want a LY>VI>LY>VI>SF>Or be with both simultaneously! LY>VI>LY>VI>I have never tried that. I have never been with more than one perso LY>VI>LY>VI>a time sexually. LY>VI>LY>Seems that Steve is more open-minded about this subject than you are! LY>VI>I don't think so. LY>VI>I can't envision Steve ever having sex with someone who wasn't male in LY>VI>every sense of the word. LY>Well, you're open to sex with males or females. Steve seems to be open LY>to sex with more than one person..... LY>So, you're both more open minded about some things! So it seems! It's not that I am closed minded when it comes to sex with more than one person. It's just that I can't imagine dividing my sexual attention on more than one person. Date: Tuesday, March 25, 1997 7:07am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 731779 To: Wanderer Re: Silk dildos (Reply to #731746, Reply to #731632, Reply to #731621, R*) In your case, NOT! Date: Tuesday, March 25, 1997 7:08am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 731781 To: Lythande Re: Or be with both simultaneously! (Reply to #731748, Reply to #717072, Reply to #716378, R*) (1 reply) LY>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>That kind of gender ambuity in one person doesn't excite me. LY>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>with a woman, I want a woman. When I am with a man, I want a LY>VI>SF>VI>SF>Or be with both simultaneously! LY>VI>SF>VI>I have never tried that. I have never been with more than one perso LY>VI>SF>VI>a time sexually. LY>VI>SF>With a pre-op TV you would still only require one person! LY>VI>I can't imagine ever going to bed with a TV. I have strong political LY>VI>disagreements with the entire concept of trans-sexuality. But we LY>VI>should move that discussion into another sig. LY>I agree with you on this one, but not for political reasons. LY>It's more like what you said up there - when I'm with a man, I want a LY>man and..... AND?????? :) Date: Monday, March 24, 1997 11:29pm Forum: Xrated From: Nightbird Msg#: 731784 To: ** ALL ** Re: Nightbird (Copy by Calvin, Reply to #731724, Reply to #731673, Rep*) (1 reply) -------------< COMMENTS BY Calvin >-------------- TO: Lythande ----------< END OF COMMENTS BY Calvin >---------- LY>NI>LY>But, I'm confused - don't you and Nightbird share a computer since LY>NI>LY>you're married? How did you write this? LY>NI>First of all, I'M BACK!!! LY>Yay! We missed you! It's so good to be missed! LY>NI>Steve uses his computer at work to log-on & I use the computer at home. LY>Oh - that's why! I thought maybe he was being a typical male and LY>wouldn't let you play with HIS toy! heheheee and which "toy" are we talking about? :) --- þ OLX 2.1 TD þ Proofread carefully to see if you any words out. Date: Tuesday, March 25, 1997 5:00pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 731842 To: Tempest Re: Nymphomania (Reply to #717691, Reply to #716662, Reply to #716436, R*) (1 reply) TE>When I've ventured to do certain things over the past few months - the TE>things that I used to do back in my "wild years", I still enjoy them but TE>I feel out of place - like I'm too old to be doing this stuff. But at TE>the same time I get really nostalgic and kind of yearning to be able to TE>freely do that stuff again. It's weird. What kind of things? Anyway, it's not wierd at all - everyone feels like that. Why do you think men go through mid-life crises? TE>Hmmm... I think it's a little different with me. My ideas about what I TE>need out of life have never really changed. The only things that have TE>changed are the ways in which I have been fulfilling those needs, but TE>the basic needs are the same. What needs are those? TE>Btw, you need more??? Hmmm, I'm gonna have to have a talk with Ed :) Be my guest! He'll probably ask you to help! ROFL! Date: Tuesday, March 25, 1997 5:00pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 731843 To: Tempest Re: Holy Monogamous Virgin, Batman! (Reply to #717692, Reply to #716664, Reply to #716437, R*) (1 reply) TE>LY>TE>Oh, so you're gonna make me grow a halo and then crack it? TE>LY>Nah - I can't imagine any halo growing on you in the first place! TE>Who, moi?? I'm a perfect angel O:) Yeah, right! You and Taleah. NOT! Date: Tuesday, March 25, 1997 5:01pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 731844 To: Tempest Re: Pervert shirt (Reply to #717694, Reply to #716671, Reply to #716443, R*) (1 reply) TE>LY>TE>Yeah, Antique Boutique and the surrounding stores. The Pervert shirts TE>LY>TE>are part of the new funky stuff. :) TE>LY>TE>And yeah, they got 'em for men, they had these funky tank tops for guy TE>LY>TE>that say Pervert with a big number 69 :) TE>LY>ROTFL! I should get that for Ed. TE>Heheheh I saw another Pervert shirt the other day that I liked - this TE>was actually a regular tee shirt so it was (only heh) 35 bux. It says TE>Absolut Pervert (same print like Absolut Vodka) 100% Pure. Something to TE>that effect. I liked that one :) I NEED IT! Date: Tuesday, March 25, 1997 5:02pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 731845 To: Tempest Re: Nymphomania (Reply to #717696, Reply to #716674, Reply to #716445, R*) (1 reply) TE>LY>TE>LY>In NYS? Sheesh - if I'd known that, I could've divorced my ex on s TE>LY>TE>LY>another ground. TE>LY>TE>He's right, in NYS that is one of the laws. My parents got divorced on TE>LY>TE>those grounds! TE>LY>NOW you tell me! I didn't want to use any of my other grounds, but TE>LY>using that one would've been fun. TE>Well I didn't know u when u got divorced, if I did I would have told u TE>:) TE>In fact, a person can divorce his/her spouse on the grounds that the TE>spouse is refusing to have sex. Those are the grounds my parents used, TE>anyway. Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Are you sure??? My lawyer never told me that! I was nice and actually let HIM sue ME for divorce since I left. Would've been fun to sue him for the fact that he never wanted sex. Date: Tuesday, March 25, 1997 5:06pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 731849 To: Headman Re: sexmem1.txt (Reply to #718265, Reply to #29552, Reply to #29475, Rep*) HE>CO>Let's keep those stories rollin' here comes memory1.txt HE>CO>Enjoy..see ya COOL HE> Thanks, Cool. It only took me five years to get around to this! And, where didja go now?? Date: Tuesday, March 25, 1997 5:08pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 731850 To: Faz Re: Pervert shirt (Reply to #718860, Reply to #717703, Reply to #717427, R*) FA>TE>FA>Hmm, does Ed know about this???? :) FA>TE>He lurks around and reads things :) FA>reads things...like her mind? ;) Yup Date: Tuesday, March 25, 1997 5:14pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 731851 To: Vida Re: One uniquely designed female sex organ (Reply to #720148, Fw by Lythande, Reply to #719889, Rep*) (1 reply) VI>QU>QU>If I did I'd never get elected. Winning erections is what politi VI>QU>QU>are all about. Using their erections on their constituents is on VI>QU>QU>of their favorite pastimes. :) VI>QU>VI>Is it winning elections or winning erections that counts for VI>QU>VI>politicans? :) VI>QU>QU>Both. They get to use their erections on us after they win the elec VI>QU>VI>And what about the female politicans? :) VI>QU>NI>Strapons? VI>QU>VI>I was thinking of something more female. :) VI>QU>And what would that be? :) VI>There's one uniquely female sex organ that is designed SOLELY for VI>pleasure that I had in mind. :) Oh? Which one is that? Date: Tuesday, March 25, 1997 5:15pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 731852 To: Wizard Re: Wind-up BBS (Reply to #720163) WI>Has anyone heard of the BBS called Windup? Does anyone know what WI>happened to it?(Change of phone number, no longer exists?) I'd WI>appreciate any info. Windup is down, I think. The Sysop, Nathan, has an account here if anyone would like to write to him and check. Date: Tuesday, March 25, 1997 5:16pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 731853 To: Headman Re: sexmem1.txt (Reply to #721401, Reply to #719656, Reply to #718265, R*) HE>TE>HE>CO>Let's keep those stories rollin' here comes memory1.txt HE>TE>HE>CO>Enjoy..see ya COOL HE>TE>HE> Thanks, Cool. It only took me five years to get around to this! HE>TE>Oh my God!!! It's YOU!!! :) HE> Well, Headman is being reborn! After being married since March HE>something HE>1972, he is getting divorced! HE> Headman is 6' 2" tall, 190 pounds, clean shaven, blue-eyed, HE>gray-haired, and HE>has fifty years experience breathing. (He is also fond of writing in HE>the third HE>person.) HE> - = ]-[ E A D M A N = - HE>PS HE> If I have any money left on November second, I'll get to the hang! HE>Where HE>the heck is it? Well..... It looks like the next hang is at the Bronx Zoo in May or June - you coming? Date: Tuesday, March 25, 1997 5:16pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 731854 To: Headman Re: 19th Century Marriage advice (Reply to #722149, Reply to #704124, Reply to #703725, R*) HE>LLY>I feel sorry for women like that! Can you imagine thinking sex was HE>LY>something horrible and never enjoying it!? HE> Wow, would you ever feel sorry for my soon-to-be x-wife! Did she have that problem? Acutally, I feel sorry for you too. Good thing she's a soon-to-be-ex! Date: Tuesday, March 25, 1997 7:48pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 731863 To: Headman Re: 19th Century Marriage advice (Reply to #722496, Reply to #705793, Reply to #705708, R*) HE>LY>VI>Obviously the relationship didn't start off bad--I wouldn't have moved HE>LY>VI>in with her and made my home with her if I didn't love her. So the se HE>LY>VI>at one time was good. But once I moved in with her, things started to HE>LY>VI>go down hell pretty fast. HE>LY>Yeah, but I have a feeling you're like me......when I was in love, I HE>LY>didn't notice how good or bad the sex was - figured it wasn't that HE>LY>important a part of a relationship. HE>LY>I actually broke up with a guy who was great in bed to be monogomous HE>LY>with my ex - thinking that the rest of what we had would make up for the HE>LY>so-so sex. HE>LY>Down hell? Freudian slip? HE> Wow! This all sound like my own experience! Love is really blind! Yeah, it is. If it wasn't, women wouldn't put up with you men! Date: Tuesday, March 25, 1997 7:49pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 731864 To: Vida Re: Can't enjoy sex (Reply to #722558, Reply to #722493, Reply to #722270, R*) (1 reply) VI>It is possible that you might be able to help. VI>In my opinion, a person only gets to be in a position where they can't VI>enjoy sex unless they have been greviously injuried...and probably VI>injuried by sexual abuse of some sort. VI>This woman needs sexual healing, from a kind, compassionate and VI>understanding lover. :) Actually, when I didn't enjoy sex it was because the person I was with didn't think that women SHOULD enjoy sex. Only men are supposed to enjoy sex, right? ROFL! Date: Tuesday, March 25, 1997 7:50pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 731865 To: Don Re: What does love have to do with sexual pleasure (Reply to #722918, Reply to #722866, Reply to #722818, R*) (1 reply) DO>³VV> But I do hope she finds someone to give her sexual pleasure...we ALL DO>³VV> deserve love! :) DO>ÔÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ DO> What does love have to do with sexual pleasure? ;) Are you serious, Don? Yeah, it's possible to have sexual pleasure with someone you don't love, but the sexual pleasure with someone you DO love is so much more intense, why bother? Date: Tuesday, March 25, 1997 7:52pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 731866 To: Don Re: X-RATED (Reply to #722919) DO> FUCK DO> SUCKING COCK DO> LICKING PUSSY DO> CUM-A-RAMA DO> etc. etc. etc. DO> This forum hasn't been that x-rated lately so I thought I'd make DO> it so.... Just out of curiosity.....were those separate things you were talking about or one experience? Come to think of it - how many people of what genders? Date: Tuesday, March 25, 1997 7:52pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 731867 To: Vida Re: What does love have to do with sexual pleasure? (Reply to #723057, Reply to #722918, Reply to #722866, R*) (1 reply) VI>DO> What does love have to do with sexual pleasure? ;) VI>DO>--- VI>In theory, nothing. I practice, everything in the world. :) I agree with you - it has EVERYTHING to do with it! Date: Tuesday, March 25, 1997 7:53pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 731868 To: Vida Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #724704, Copy by Lythande, Reply to #720867, R*) (2 replies) VI>SC>VI>I'm not married, but I sill indulge in indoor recreation activities. VI>SC>Outdoor "recreation activities" can be pretty interesting also :) VI>As long as you don't get caught. :) Ack! But, wondering if you'll be caught every second is exactly what's so much fun about outdoor activities! Date: Tuesday, March 25, 1997 7:54pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 731869 To: Nightbird Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #724798, Reply to #724704, Copy by Lythande, R*) (1 reply) NI>True, believe me, before Steve & I got married, we almost got caught a NI>few times but, I like doing in any room I can(hot tub are good too!) I love hot tubs too! Hey, how come you only did that before you were married? Date: Tuesday, March 25, 1997 7:54pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 731870 To: Vida Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #724827, Copy by Lythande, Reply to #721901, R*) (1 reply) VI>SC>Now that sounds different. :) VI>Well Bob likes to play with the fantasy of having sex with me and VI>another female. I have told him no way. It would be playing with fire VI>for me to have sex with another female. Even in a fantasy?? Date: Tuesday, March 25, 1997 7:55pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 731872 To: Nightbird Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #725180, Reply to #725113, Reply to #725073, R*) (2 replies) NI>Well, when Steve & I were going out, we would try to do it anywhere we NI>could & I do mean ANYWHERE but I still haven't tryed out the beach(I NI>would really love to give that a try!) Oh, the beach at night is great! hehehehe Date: Tuesday, March 25, 1997 7:56pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 731873 To: Vida Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #725421, Reply to #724989, Reply to #724704, C*) (1 reply) VI>TE>VI>SC>VI>I'm not married, but I sill indulge in indoor recreation activit VI>TE>VI>SC>Outdoor "recreation activities" can be pretty interesting also :) VI>TE>VI>As long as you don't get caught. :) VI>TE>Hehehe I had a REALLY close call there once, was in a park at night and a VI>TE>got caught by cops, might have ended up pretty bad! VI>Or a really kinky group scene! :) Hey! I think you're finally getting into the swing of things! (ducking!) Date: Tuesday, March 25, 1997 7:58pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 731874 To: Tempest Re: Holiday Recipe (Reply to #726318) (1 reply) He stole my recipe! Date: Tuesday, March 25, 1997 7:59pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 731875 To: Tempest Re: Emergency Sexual Services (Reply to #726510, Fw by Lythande, Reply to #725985, Rep*) (1 reply) TE>Well, what did you expect, this is Emergency Medical Services, not TE>Emergency Sexual Services (although I do the latter as well hehehehe >:) So, exactly what Emergency Sexual Services do you perform, wench? Date: Tuesday, March 25, 1997 8:00pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 731876 To: Msreality Re: Winter.... (Reply to #726531, Reply to #726317, Reply to #726105, C*) MS>TE>Nice! That sure sheds a wonderful light on the idea of winter :) MS>It does, doesn't it.....a warm cozy light! Sorta like the light in front of our fireplace? heheheee Date: Tuesday, March 25, 1997 8:01pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 731878 To: Sysop Re: Ly buttered up (Reply to #727298, Reply to #727289, Fw by Lythande, Rep*) (1 reply) SY>WA>hi,lythande!!!!!yes i would most certainly SY>WA>love to see a buttered up lytehand!! SY>WA>what a sensous sight that would be!! SY>WA>butter spread across the supple skin SY>WA>of our sysop.butter gently dripping off SY>WA>of her hard,pink nipples!!! SY>WA>wow!!!!i am excited just thinking about it!! SY>Well, if you get excited just thinking about it, you should see the real SY>thing :) SY>Now where's my butter...Ohhh, Debbbbbb! If you butter me, sweetheart, you'd better be prepared to lick it all off - VERY slowly. Date: Tuesday, March 25, 1997 8:01pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 731880 To: Synne Re: The Goddess Of Lust (Reply to #731294) (1 reply) SY>Hey you little studmuffins and studmuffinas! Your Mistress has SY>returned... SY>HELLO? SY>WHAT? You dont remember me? SY> Well... for those of you who do... :-* and those of you who SY>dont... GET WITH THE PROGRAM! :-) SY>The floor here isnt as sticky as I remembered it... why not? SY>LET THE JUICES FLOW! SY><<>>'s I'm in shock! The mistress of sex is here and NO ONE wrote to you??? Get to work, wench! Date: Tuesday, March 25, 1997 8:02pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 731881 To: Vida Re: Silk dildos (Reply to #731494, Fw by Lythande, Copy by Lythande, Rep*) (1 reply) VI>LY>VI>LY>VI>LY>Now, now. With all your talk about silk dildos that wasn't n VI>LY>VI>LY>VI>LY>so...... VI>LY>VI>LY>VI>I was never big on using dildos personally. VI>LY>VI>LY>VI>LY>But, I agree - I definitely prefer a tongue to a dildo. VI>LY>VI>LY>VI>YUP! And fingers are nice too! :) VI>LY>VI>LY>Um hum.....if the fingers know what they're doing! VI>LY>VI>That's essential!!! :) VI>LY>Hmmmmmmm. So, now that we're here..... What do the fingers have to know exactly? Date: Tuesday, March 25, 1997 8:03pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 731882 To: Synne Re: Silk dildos (Reply to #731621, Reply to #731494, Fw by Lythande, Cop*) (1 reply) SY>I vote for tongues and/or fingers over plastic or any other nonorganic SY>material... SY>But I agree... they must know what to do! The only time that toys are fun is if they're shared. Date: Tuesday, March 25, 1997 8:05pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 731883 To: Synne Re: The Goddess Of Lust (Reply to #731635, Copy by Calvin, Reply to #731393, Rep*) (1 reply) SY> Thanks for waiting for me :-) Ahhhh, but you are worth waiting for, luv. SY>Lying down, warm flesh against cold, slippery satin... Will white satin do or must it be red or black? SY>Do what you wish... Does that mean that we can finally collect our wedding present? Date: Tuesday, March 25, 1997 8:07pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 731884 To: Vida Re: Playing with DrPax (Reply to #731777, Reply to #731743, Reply to #717069, R*) (1 reply) VI>LY>VI>FA>VI>Pax is doing well. And he still plays pool every chance that he VI>LY>VI>FA>VI>get. :) VI>LY>VI>FA>i hope thats often, provided it doesnt cut into the time you two sp VI>LY>VI>FA>together...do you play with him? (this sounds like a loaded questio VI>LY>VI>FA>thats my fault. :() ) VI>LY>VI>I play with him, but not pool. :) VI>LY>VI>He tried to teach me once, but the lesson didn't get very far. VI>LY>So, what do you play with DrPax anyway? hehehee VI>You are a wicked girl, you! :) Why, of course! Isn't that why you love me? Date: Tuesday, March 25, 1997 8:08pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 731885 To: Vida Re: Sex with more than one (Reply to #731778, Reply to #731744, Reply to #717070, R*) (2 replies) VI>So it seems! It's not that I am closed minded when it comes to sex VI>with more than one person. It's just that I can't imagine dividing my VI>sexual attention on more than one person. Why think of it that way? Turn it around and think of two people paying attention only to you. Date: Tuesday, March 25, 1997 8:08pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 731886 To: Vida Re: Or be with both simultaneously! (Reply to #731781, Reply to #731748, Reply to #717072, R*) (1 reply) VI>LY>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>That kind of gender ambuity in one person doesn't excite m VI>LY>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>with a woman, I want a woman. When I am with a man, I wan VI>LY>VI>SF>VI>SF>Or be with both simultaneously! VI>LY>VI>SF>VI>I have never tried that. I have never been with more than one pe VI>LY>VI>SF>VI>a time sexually. VI>LY>VI>SF>With a pre-op TV you would still only require one person! VI>LY>VI>I can't imagine ever going to bed with a TV. I have strong political VI>LY>VI>disagreements with the entire concept of trans-sexuality. But we VI>LY>VI>should move that discussion into another sig. VI>LY>I agree with you on this one, but not for political reasons. VI>LY>It's more like what you said up there - when I'm with a man, I want a VI>LY>man and..... VI>AND?????? :) When I'm with a woman.... Date: Tuesday, March 25, 1997 8:08pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 731887 To: Nightbird Re: Nightbird (Reply to #731784, Copy by Calvin, Reply to #731724, Rep*) (1 reply) NI>-------------< COMMENTS BY Calvin >-------------- NI>TO: Lythande NI>----------< END OF COMMENTS BY Calvin >---------- NI>LY>NI>LY>But, I'm confused - don't you and Nightbird share a computer since NI>LY>NI>LY>you're married? How did you write this? NI>LY>NI>First of all, I'M BACK!!! NI>LY>Yay! We missed you! NI>It's so good to be missed! NI>LY>NI>Steve uses his computer at work to log-on & I use the computer at home NI>LY>Oh - that's why! I thought maybe he was being a typical male and NI>LY>wouldn't let you play with HIS toy! heheheee NI>and which "toy" are we talking about? :) What kind of toys does Steve have anyway??? Date: Wednesday, March 26, 1997 11:33am Forum: Xrated From: Steve Flur Msg#: 731981 To: Lythande Re: Strap on's (Reply to #731740, Reply to #717026, Reply to #716966, R*) (1 reply) LY>SF>LY>SF>Behaviors are risky, not groups! LY>SF>LY>But, some groups practice those risky behaviours quite a bit more than LY>SF>LY>other groups. LY>SF>So, which "group" engages in sex more? LY>Neither, of course. LY>But, I'd think that homosexual males practice anal sex quite a bit more LY>than any other group. And your method of obtaining this data was? Date: Wednesday, March 26, 1997 11:34am Forum: Xrated From: Steve Flur Msg#: 731982 To: Lythande Re: Strap on's (Reply to #731742, Reply to #717027, Reply to #716967, R*) (2 replies) LY>SF>Anal sex is not an any greater risk of tranmission than vaginal sex LY>SF>since due to a number of factors there can be both blood and other LY>SF>fluids present all of whom carry HIV. LY>Where did you get this information, Steve? As I understand it the LY>greater risks in anal sex comes from the greater chance of tearing and LY>irritation, creating blood/sperm contact. And the possibility of blood in vaginal fluid. Date: Wednesday, March 26, 1997 11:35am Forum: Xrated From: Steve Flur Msg#: 731983 To: Lythande Re: Sex with more than one (Reply to #731744, Reply to #717070, Reply to #716325, R*) (1 reply) LY>VI>LY>VI>SF>VI>That kind of gender ambuity in one person doesn't excite me. LY>VI>LY>VI>SF>VI>with a woman, I want a woman. When I am with a man, I want a LY>VI>LY>VI>SF>Or be with both simultaneously! LY>VI>LY>VI>I have never tried that. I have never been with more than one perso LY>VI>LY>VI>a time sexually. LY>VI>LY>Seems that Steve is more open-minded about this subject than you are! LY>VI>I don't think so. LY>VI>I can't envision Steve ever having sex with someone who wasn't male in LY>VI>every sense of the word. LY>Well, you're open to sex with males or females. Steve seems to be open LY>to sex with more than one person..... LY>So, you're both more open minded about some things! Now to convince Stanley! Date: Wednesday, March 26, 1997 7:05pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 732000 To: Lythande Re: One uniquely designed female sex organ (Reply to #731851, Reply to #720148, Fw by Lythande, Rep*) (1 reply) LY>VI>QU>QU>If I did I'd never get elected. Winning erections is what politi LY>VI>QU>QU>are all about. Using their erections on their constituents is on LY>VI>QU>QU>of their favorite pastimes. :) LY>VI>QU>VI>Is it winning elections or winning erections that counts for LY>VI>QU>VI>politicans? :) LY>VI>QU>QU>Both. They get to use their erections on us after they win the elec LY>VI>QU>VI>And what about the female politicans? :) LY>VI>QU>NI>Strapons? LY>VI>QU>VI>I was thinking of something more female. :) LY>VI>QU>And what would that be? :) LY>VI>There's one uniquely female sex organ that is designed SOLELY for LY>VI>pleasure that I had in mind. :) LY>Oh? Which one is that? The brain maybe? :) Date: Wednesday, March 26, 1997 7:13pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 732001 To: Steve Flur Re: Strap on's (Reply to #731981, Reply to #731740, Reply to #717026, R*) (2 replies) SF>LY>SF>LY>SF>Behaviors are risky, not groups! SF>LY>SF>LY>But, some groups practice those risky behaviours quite a bit more t SF>LY>SF>LY>other groups. SF>LY>SF>So, which "group" engages in sex more? SF>LY>Neither, of course. SF>LY>But, I'd think that homosexual males practice anal sex quite a bit more SF>LY>than any other group. SF>And your method of obtaining this data was? Pretty simple, actually. Anatomy. It's a bit difficult for two homosexual males to have vaginal intercourse, Steve! Most heterosexual males that I know either never or maybe once in their lives have had anal intercourse. Are you really going to tell me that gay men don't have anal intercourse regularly? Date: Wednesday, March 26, 1997 7:15pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 732002 To: Steve Flur Re: Strap on's (Reply to #731982, Reply to #731742, Reply to #717027, R*) (3 replies) SF>LY>SF>Anal sex is not an any greater risk of tranmission than vaginal sex SF>LY>SF>since due to a number of factors there can be both blood and other SF>LY>SF>fluids present all of whom carry HIV. SF>LY>Where did you get this information, Steve? As I understand it the SF>LY>greater risks in anal sex comes from the greater chance of tearing and SF>LY>irritation, creating blood/sperm contact. SF>And the possibility of blood in vaginal fluid. If a woman had blood in vaginal fluid it would only be a danger to the male if he had open sores. It's much more likely for anal sex to cause that sort of tearing in both partners. Date: Wednesday, March 26, 1997 7:16pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 732003 To: Steve Flur Re: Sex with more than one (Reply to #731983, Reply to #731744, Reply to #717070, R*) (2 replies) SF>LY>VI>LY>VI>SF>VI>That kind of gender ambuity in one person doesn't excite m SF>LY>VI>LY>VI>SF>VI>with a woman, I want a woman. When I am with a man, I wan SF>LY>VI>LY>VI>SF>Or be with both simultaneously! SF>LY>VI>LY>VI>I have never tried that. I have never been with more than one pe SF>LY>VI>LY>VI>a time sexually. SF>LY>VI>LY>Seems that Steve is more open-minded about this subject than you ar SF>LY>VI>I don't think so. SF>LY>VI>I can't envision Steve ever having sex with someone who wasn't male in SF>LY>VI>every sense of the word. SF>LY>Well, you're open to sex with males or females. Steve seems to be open SF>LY>to sex with more than one person..... SF>LY>So, you're both more open minded about some things! SF>Now to convince Stanley! ??? You want to have a threesome with you and a woman and Stanley? Date: Wednesday, March 26, 1997 7:16pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 732004 To: Vida Re: One uniquely designed female sex organ (Reply to #732000, Reply to #731851, Reply to #720148, F*) (1 reply) VI>LY>VI>QU>QU>If I did I'd never get elected. Winning erections is what politi VI>LY>VI>QU>QU>are all about. Using their erections on their constituents is on VI>LY>VI>QU>QU>of their favorite pastimes. :) VI>LY>VI>QU>VI>Is it winning elections or winning erections that counts for VI>LY>VI>QU>VI>politicans? :) VI>LY>VI>QU>QU>Both. They get to use their erections on us after they win the e VI>LY>VI>QU>VI>And what about the female politicans? :) VI>LY>VI>QU>NI>Strapons? VI>LY>VI>QU>VI>I was thinking of something more female. :) VI>LY>VI>QU>And what would that be? :) VI>LY>VI>There's one uniquely female sex organ that is designed SOLELY for VI>LY>VI>pleasure that I had in mind. :) VI>LY>Oh? Which one is that? VI>The brain maybe? :) Are you saying that only females have brains, luv? ROFL! But, seriously....the brain is indeed the primary sex organ. Date: Tuesday, March 25, 1997 8:58pm Forum: Xrated From: AahzDeva Msg#: 732013 To: ** ALL ** Re: What we can do with those two items (Fw by Lythande, Reply to #731737, Reply to #731734, Rep*) (1 reply) -------------< COMMENTS BY Lythande >-------------- TO: Lythande ----------< END OF COMMENTS BY Lythande >---------- Hmmmmmmmm Wonder what We can do with those items? Date: Wednesday, March 26, 1997 7:27pm Forum: Xrated From: Nightbird Msg#: 732022 To: Lythande Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #731869, Reply to #724798, Reply to #724704, C*) (1 reply) LY>NI>True, believe me, before Steve & I got married, we almost got caught a LY>NI>few times but, I like doing in any room I can(hot tub are good too!) LY>I love hot tubs too! LY>Hey, how come you only did that before you were married? Sex in Hot tubs in SOO cool!! What I was saying was that before Steve & I got married, we used to fool around when we had the chance(as long as we didn't get caught) --- þ OLX 2.1 TD þ #30-3771: Cain asked "Am I my brother's son?" Date: Wednesday, March 26, 1997 7:27pm Forum: Xrated From: Nightbird Msg#: 732023 To: Lythande Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #731872, Reply to #725180, Reply to #725113, R*) (1 reply) LY>NI>Well, when Steve & I were going out, we would try to do it anywhere we LY>NI>could & I do mean ANYWHERE but I still haven't tryed out the beach(I LY>NI>would really love to give that a try!) LY>Oh, the beach at night is great! hehehehe Well, hopefully when it gets warming I'll try out the beach(for fun that is) --- þ OLX 2.1 TD þ If music be the food for life...I need some Rolaids. Date: Wednesday, March 26, 1997 7:28pm Forum: Xrated From: Nightbird Msg#: 732024 To: Lythande Re: Nightbird (Reply to #731887, Reply to #731784, Copy by Calvin, Rep*) (1 reply) LY>NI>LY>NI>Steve uses his computer at work to log-on & I use the computer at h LY>NI>LY>Oh - that's why! I thought maybe he was being a typical male and LY>NI>LY>wouldn't let you play with HIS toy! heheheee LY>NI>and which "toy" are we talking about? :) LY>What kind of toys does Steve have anyway??? You're married, you know what I'm talking about! :) --- þ OLX 2.1 TD þ Power, not reason, is the new currency--Thurgood Marshall Date: Wednesday, March 26, 1997 7:29pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 732027 To: AahzDeva Re: What we can do with those two items (Reply to #732013, Fw by Lythande, Reply to #731737, Rep*) (1 reply) AA>Hmmmmmmmm Wonder what We can do with those items? Which two items were those again, baby? hehehheee Date: Wednesday, March 26, 1997 7:30pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 732028 To: Nightbird Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #732022, Reply to #731869, Reply to #724798, R*) (1 reply) NI>Sex in Hot tubs in SOO cool!! Ummmmm. Actually, I'd say sex in hot tubs is very HOT! NI>What I was saying was that before Steve & I got married, we used to fool NI>around when we had the chance(as long as we didn't get caught) Yeah, but now that you're married you should fool around outside just 'cause it's fun even if you have a nice, comfy bed! Date: Wednesday, March 26, 1997 7:30pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 732029 To: Nightbird Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #732023, Reply to #731872, Reply to #725180, R*) (3 replies) NI>LY>Oh, the beach at night is great! hehehehe NI>Well, hopefully when it gets warming I'll try out the beach(for fun that The problem is finding a beach that's private! Date: Wednesday, March 26, 1997 7:30pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 732030 To: Nightbird Re: Nightbird (Reply to #732024, Reply to #731887, Reply to #731784, C*) (1 reply) NI>LY>NI>LY>NI>Steve uses his computer at work to log-on & I use the computer a NI>LY>NI>LY>Oh - that's why! I thought maybe he was being a typical male and NI>LY>NI>LY>wouldn't let you play with HIS toy! heheheee NI>LY>NI>and which "toy" are we talking about? :) NI>LY>What kind of toys does Steve have anyway??? NI>You're married, you know what I'm talking about! :) Oh, I can think of one or two..... Date: Tuesday, November 26, 1996 7:25pm Forum: Xrated From: Nightbird Msg#: 732047 To: ** ALL ** Re: Well don't wake up the neighbors! (Fw by Lythande, Reply to #723375, Reply to #723370, Rep*) (2 replies) -------------< COMMENTS BY Lythande >-------------- TO: Tempest ----------< END OF COMMENTS BY Lythande >---------- TE>A>TE>FA>a-loud indeed! :) TE>FA>TE>Hehheheheh! Very loud :> TE>FA>well dont wake the neighbors! TE>Why not? Not my fault they don't know how to have fun :) Please, I'm suprised my neighbors haven't complanted about Steve & I! --- þ OLX 2.1 TD þ C code. C code run. Run code, run. Date: Wednesday, November 27, 1996 7:49pm Forum: Xrated From: Nightbird Msg#: 732048 To: ** ALL ** Re: shaving (Copy by Lythande, Reply to #723446) (1 reply) -------------< COMMENTS BY Lythande >-------------- TO: Wanderer ----------< END OF COMMENTS BY Lythande >---------- WA>hi,nightbird!!!!how are you!! WA>do you shave your your pubic area? WA>if you do,do you do a total or partial WA>shave.do you you do it because you want to WA>& enjoy it or because your mate asks WA>you to do it. I do sometimes shave my pubic area because I enjoy the extra feeling! --- þ OLX 2.1 TD þ Diplomacy is saying "nice doggy" until you find a rock. Date: Saturday, December 14, 1996 1:37pm Forum: Xrated From: Headman Msg#: 732049 To: ** ALL ** Re: shaving (Copy by Lythande, Reply to #723960, Reply to #723925, R*) (1 reply) -------------< COMMENTS BY Lythande >-------------- TO: Wanderer ----------< END OF COMMENTS BY Lythande >---------- WA>hi,trapper!!!!how have you been!!! WA>are you going to join nightbird and WA>myself in enjoying the smoothness WA>of a shaved pubic area? I didn't shave my face for twenty years because of the discomfort. I recently started to shave again... and I now remember EXACTLY why I stopped the first time. I doubt that I would shave myself below the belt... but I KNOW I'd let a willing female playmate take it all off! ==hm Date: Thursday, March 27, 1997 12:17am Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 732075 To: Lythande Re: What does love have to do with sexual pleasure (Reply to #731865, Reply to #722918, Reply to #722866, R*) (2 replies) Is it? I've thought about that... when its with someone you love, it probably isn't the first time you've had sex together... you probably know each other well and have a lot of peripheral things going on between you aside from the sex at the moment... With someone you don't love... its more likely to be the first time you two will have sex... maybe in a more risky situation... drunk as all fuck :-> and are in a state where your id is ruling you and your beastial side takes over and you dont care what happens... Romance and making love is wonderful... but I don't know if it's "better" than having wild passionate dont give a fuck sex with someone you dont love... Date: Thursday, March 27, 1997 12:20am Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 732076 To: Lythande Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #731872, Reply to #725180, Reply to #725113, R*) (1 reply) Watch out for the sand though... OW. and... if you're going to give someone a massage on the beach... forget the oil... I have the smoothest skin from an oil/sand exfoliating experience... it was great for my skin.. but not quite a turn on to be rubbed with what felt like sandpaper :-I Date: Thursday, March 27, 1997 12:21am Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 732077 To: Lythande Re: Ly buttered up (Reply to #731878, Reply to #727298, Reply to #727289, F*) (1 reply) Thats one instance when cholesterol just doesn't count... :-) Date: Thursday, March 27, 1997 12:22am Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 732078 To: Lythande Re: The Goddess Of Lust (Reply to #731880, Reply to #731294) (1 reply) They heard I'm a one person woman now... but fuck that... only in practice.. but not in fantasy! Date: Thursday, March 27, 1997 12:23am Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 732079 To: Lythande Re: Silk dildos (Reply to #731882, Reply to #731621, Reply to #731494, F*) (1 reply) And mommy always taught me to share my toys... Wanna come over and play? Date: Thursday, March 27, 1997 12:26am Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 732080 To: Lythande Re: The Goddess Of Lust (Reply to #731883, Reply to #731635, Copy by Calvin, Rep*) (1 reply) Its been so long since that promise was made... you should get it with interest! ;-) White satin's okay... but I loooove deep, rich, burgandy... or blood red. Date: Thursday, March 27, 1997 6:55am Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 732084 To: Tempest Re: Yes, Mistress (Reply to #732044, Copy by Lythande, Reply to #716690, R*) (1 reply) TE>DT>TE>T>TE>T>TE>DT> i said dont make a TE>DT>TE>DT>TE>DT>TE>DT>bitch. asking for another is SOUND TE>DT>TE>DT>TE>DT>TE> Oh, Thank You, please, mo TE>DT>TE>DT>TE>DT> NOISE NOISE NOISE GODDAMMIT SHUT THE FUCK UP DT>TE>DT>TE>DT>pulling> TE>DT>TE>DT>TE>DT>TE>DT>TE>Don't stop, pleeease... TE>DT>TE>DT> HOW in the FUCK can you still make NOISE DT>TE>DT>throat and face, yanking down, thumbs jammed inwards...> TE>DT>TE>DT>TE>arms> TE>DT> well at least you shut the fuck up finally, jesus christ... DT>off throat, fuckfinger jammed in cunt; thumb free to press in hard TE>DT>directly upon clit> TE>hand on throat while attempting to engulf dick in mouth> I was catching up in /Fetish and just couldn't resist. Ahem. Date: Thursday, March 27, 1997 6:56am Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 732085 To: Nightbird Re: Well don't wake up the neighbors! (Reply to #732047, Fw by Lythande, Reply to #723375, Rep*) (1 reply) NI>TE>A>TE>FA>a-loud indeed! :) NI>TE>FA>TE>Hehheheheh! Very loud :> NI>TE>FA>well dont wake the neighbors! NI>TE>Why not? Not my fault they don't know how to have fun :) NI>Please, I'm suprised my neighbors haven't complanted about Steve & I! I know what you mean - luckily our neighbors are empty lots, a church and a nursing home. Date: Thursday, March 27, 1997 6:56am Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 732086 To: Nightbird Re: shaving (Reply to #732048, Copy by Lythande, Reply to #723446) (2 replies) NI>I do sometimes shave my pubic area because I enjoy the extra feeling! Do you really?? Whenever I get talked into it, it takes me a while to get used to! Date: Thursday, March 27, 1997 6:57am Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 732087 To: Headman Re: shaving (Reply to #732049, Copy by Lythande, Reply to #723960, R*) HE> I didn't shave my face for twenty years because of the discomfort. I HE>recently started to shave again... and I now remember EXACTLY why I HE>stopped the first time. I doubt that I would shave myself below the HE>belt... but I KNOW I'd let a willing female playmate take it all off! I wonder if as many men do this as women? Date: Thursday, March 27, 1997 6:58am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 732088 To: Lythande Re: Can't enjoy sex (Reply to #731864, Reply to #722558, Reply to #722493, R*) (1 reply) LY>VI>It is possible that you might be able to help. LY>VI>In my opinion, a person only gets to be in a position where they can't LY>VI>enjoy sex unless they have been greviously injuried...and probably LY>VI>injuried by sexual abuse of some sort. LY>VI>This woman needs sexual healing, from a kind, compassionate and LY>VI>understanding lover. :) LY>Actually, when I didn't enjoy sex it was because the person I was with LY>didn't think that women SHOULD enjoy sex. Only men are supposed to LY>enjoy sex, right? ROFL! It's not a joke. Some people REALLY believe that to be true. :( Date: Thursday, March 27, 1997 6:59am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 732089 To: Lythande Re: What does love have to do with sexual pleasure? (Reply to #731867, Reply to #723057, Reply to #722918, R*) (2 replies) LY>VI>DO> What does love have to do with sexual pleasure? ;) LY>VI>DO>--- LY>VI>In theory, nothing. I practice, everything in the world. :) LY>I agree with you - it has EVERYTHING to do with it! That's because you experience the most intense sexual pleasure when you are both literally and figuratively making love. Date: Thursday, March 27, 1997 7:00am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 732092 To: Lythande Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #731868, Reply to #724704, Copy by Lythande, R*) (2 replies) LY>VI>SC>VI>I'm not married, but I sill indulge in indoor recreation activities LY>VI>SC>Outdoor "recreation activities" can be pretty interesting also :) LY>VI>As long as you don't get caught. :) LY>Ack! LY>But, wondering if you'll be caught every second is exactly what's so LY>much fun about outdoor activities! And some person that I can think of get sexually turned on by fantasizing that they will get caught! Date: Thursday, March 27, 1997 7:01am Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 732094 To: Synne Re: What does love have to do with sexual pleasure (Reply to #732075, Reply to #731865, Reply to #722918, R*) (1 reply) SY>Is it? I've thought about that... when its with someone you love, it SY>probably isn't the first time you've had sex together... you probably SY>know each other well and have a lot of peripheral things going on SY>between you aside from the sex at the moment... Yeah, but that first time with someone you love is amazing - fireworks and a warm, coming home feeling.... SY>With someone you don't love... its more likely to be the first only> time you two will have sex... maybe in a more risky situation... SY> drunk as all fuck :-> and are in a state where your SY>id is ruling you and your beastial side takes over and you dont care SY>what happens... I just hope all this is in the past - at least the risky part! SY>Romance and making love is wonderful... but I don't know if it's SY>"better" than having wild passionate dont give a fuck sex with someone SY>you dont love... ??? Haven't you ever had wild passionate don't give a fuck sex with somone you love? I sure have. It's probably what makes me so sure I can't ever make love again with someone I don't love. Date: Thursday, March 27, 1997 7:02am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 732097 To: Lythande Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #731870, Reply to #724827, Copy by Lythande, R*) (2 replies) LY>VI>SC>Now that sounds different. :) LY>VI>Well Bob likes to play with the fantasy of having sex with me and LY>VI>another female. I have told him no way. It would be playing with fire LY>VI>for me to have sex with another female. LY>Even in a fantasy?? Even fantasizing about having sex with a female seems very dangerous to me. Ever time that I do, I start to get a real strong craving for a female body. Date: Thursday, March 27, 1997 7:02am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 732098 To: Lythande Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #731873, Reply to #725421, Reply to #724989, R*) LY>VI>TE>VI>SC>VI>I'm not married, but I sill indulge in indoor recreation acti LY>VI>TE>VI>SC>Outdoor "recreation activities" can be pretty interesting also : LY>VI>TE>VI>As long as you don't get caught. :) LY>VI>TE>Hehehe I had a REALLY close call there once, was in a park at night an LY>VI>TE>got caught by cops, might have ended up pretty bad! LY>VI>Or a really kinky group scene! :) LY>Hey! I think you're finally getting into the swing of things! LY>(ducking!) Actually I'm ROFTL! :) Date: Thursday, March 27, 1997 7:04am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 732102 To: Lythande Re: Silk dildos (Reply to #731881, Reply to #731494, Fw by Lythande, Cop*) LY>VI>LY>VI>LY>VI>LY>Now, now. With all your talk about silk dildos that wasn' LY>VI>LY>VI>LY>VI>LY>so...... LY>VI>LY>VI>LY>VI>I was never big on using dildos personally. LY>VI>LY>VI>LY>VI>LY>But, I agree - I definitely prefer a tongue to a dildo. VI>LY>VI>LY>VI>YUP! And fingers are nice too! :) LY>VI>LY>VI>LY>Um hum.....if the fingers know what they're doing! LY>VI>LY>VI>That's essential!!! :) LY>VI>LY>Hmmmmmmm. LY>So, now that we're here..... LY>What do the fingers have to know exactly? The fingers have to know how to pleasure, of course! Date: Thursday, March 27, 1997 7:05am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 732103 To: Lythande Re: Playing with DrPax (Reply to #731884, Reply to #731777, Reply to #731743, R*) (1 reply) LY>VI>LY>VI>FA>VI>Pax is doing well. And he still plays pool every chance that LY>VI>LY>VI>FA>VI>get. :) LY>VI>LY>VI>FA>i hope thats often, provided it doesnt cut into the time you two LY>VI>LY>VI>FA>together...do you play with him? (this sounds like a loaded ques LY>VI>LY>VI>FA>thats my fault. :() ) LY>VI>LY>VI>I play with him, but not pool. :) LY>VI>LY>VI>He tried to teach me once, but the lesson didn't get very far. LY>VI>LY>So, what do you play with DrPax anyway? hehehee LY>VI>You are a wicked girl, you! :) LY>Why, of course! Isn't that why you love me? It's ONE of the reasons! :) Date: Thursday, March 27, 1997 7:06am Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 732104 To: Synne Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #732076, Reply to #731872, Reply to #725180, R*) (1 reply) SY>Watch out for the sand though... OW. SY>and... if you're going to give someone a massage on the beach... forget SY>the oil... I have the smoothest skin from an oil/sand exfoliating SY>experience... it was great for my skin.. but not quite a turn on to be SY>rubbed with what felt like sandpaper :-I Hmmmmm. Never combined a massage and the beach - usually do massages in our bedroom where I can choose from a half dozen oils and lotions and things to put it on with. Date: Thursday, March 27, 1997 7:07am Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 732105 To: Synne Re: Ly buttered up (Reply to #732077, Reply to #731878, Reply to #727298, R*) (1 reply) SY>Thats one instance when cholesterol just doesn't count... :-) Oh? Are you going to help him? Date: Thursday, March 27, 1997 7:07am Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 732106 To: Synne Re: The Goddess Of Lust (Reply to #732078, Reply to #731880, Reply to #731294) (1 reply) SY>They heard I'm a one person woman now... but fuck that... only in SY>practice.. but not in fantasy! So when are you going to come over to /Fantasy and play? Hmmmmmmmm? Date: Thursday, March 27, 1997 7:08am Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 732108 To: Synne Re: Silk dildos (Reply to #732079, Reply to #731882, Reply to #731621, R*) (1 reply) SY>And mommy always taught me to share my toys... SY>Wanna come over and play? Perhaps. What sort of games did you want to play? Date: Thursday, March 27, 1997 7:09am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 732110 To: Lythande Re: Sex with more than one (Reply to #731885, Reply to #731778, Reply to #731744, R*) (2 replies) LY>VI>So it seems! It's not that I am closed minded when it comes to sex LY>VI>with more than one person. It's just that I can't imagine dividing my LY>VI>sexual attention on more than one person. LY>Why think of it that way? LY>Turn it around and think of two people paying attention only to you. LY> While the thought of two people paying attention to you is intriguing for a moment, I don't think it would work for me. I find that when I have sex that I need to concentrate or focus my attention on one act. For me, if my attention gets divided up then the pleasure becomes less intense. That's why I don't particularly like to "69". I like giving oral sex and I adore receiving oral sex, but doing both at the same time just doesn't work too well for me. Date: Thursday, March 27, 1997 7:10am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 732111 To: Lythande Re: Or be with both simultaneously! (Reply to #731886, Reply to #731781, Reply to #731748, R*) (1 reply) LY>VI>LY>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>That kind of gender ambuity in one person doesn't excit LY>VI>LY>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>with a woman, I want a woman. When I am with a man, I LY>VI>LY>VI>SF>VI>SF>Or be with both simultaneously! LY>VI>LY>VI>SF>VI>I have never tried that. I have never been with more than one LY>VI>LY>VI>SF>VI>a time sexually. LY>VI>LY>VI>SF>With a pre-op TV you would still only require one person! LY>VI>LY>VI>I can't imagine ever going to bed with a TV. I have strong politic LY>VI>LY>VI>disagreements with the entire concept of trans-sexuality. But we LY>VI>LY>VI>should move that discussion into another sig. LY>VI>LY>I agree with you on this one, but not for political reasons. LY>VI>LY>It's more like what you said up there - when I'm with a man, I want a LY>VI>LY>man and..... LY>VI>AND?????? :) LY>When I'm with a woman.... AND?????? :) Date: Thursday, March 27, 1997 7:12am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 732113 To: Steve Flur Re: Strap on's (Reply to #731982, Reply to #731742, Reply to #717027, R*) (1 reply) SF>LY>SF>Anal sex is not an any greater risk of tranmission than vaginal sex SF>LY>SF>since due to a number of factors there can be both blood and other SF>LY>SF>fluids present all of whom carry HIV. SF>LY>Where did you get this information, Steve? As I understand it the SF>LY>greater risks in anal sex comes from the greater chance of tearing and SF>LY>irritation, creating blood/sperm contact. SF>And the possibility of blood in vaginal fluid. Of course there is possiblity of blood in vaginal fluid. But that generally only happens once a month, while a woman is having her menstrual period. I have the same understanding of the greater risk of anal sex vs. vaginal sex as Deb. But remember Steve, this is not necessarily a homosexual issue. Plenty of straight people engage in anal sex! Date: Thursday, March 27, 1997 7:14am Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 732114 To: Synne Re: The Goddess Of Lust (Reply to #732080, Reply to #731883, Reply to #731635, C*) (1 reply) SY>Its been so long since that promise was made... you should get it with SY>interest! ;-) Compound interest, at that. Considering that Shin offered us the same wedding present and I haven't received that one either. Yet. SY>White satin's okay... but I loooove deep, rich, burgandy... or blood SY>red. Hmmmmm. Definitely compounded with Shin. hehehee Date: Thursday, March 27, 1997 7:15am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 732115 To: Lythande Re: Sex with more than one (Reply to #732003, Reply to #731983, Reply to #731744, R*) (2 replies) LY>SF>LY>VI>LY>VI>SF>VI>That kind of gender ambuity in one person doesn't excit LY>SF>LY>VI>LY>VI>SF>VI>with a woman, I want a woman. When I am with a man, I LY>SF>LY>VI>LY>VI>SF>Or be with both simultaneously! LY>SF>LY>VI>LY>VI>I have never tried that. I have never been with more than one LY>SF>LY>VI>LY>VI>a time sexually. LY>SF>LY>VI>LY>Seems that Steve is more open-minded about this subject than you LY>SF>LY>VI>I don't think so. LY>SF>LY>VI>I can't envision Steve ever having sex with someone who wasn't male LY>SF>LY>VI>every sense of the word. LY>SF>LY>Well, you're open to sex with males or females. Steve seems to be ope LY>SF>LY>to sex with more than one person..... LY>SF>LY>So, you're both more open minded about some things! LY>SF>Now to convince Stanley! LY>??? LY>You want to have a threesome with you and a woman and Stanley? No silly! He wants to try to convince Stanley to have a threesome with another male! :) Date: Thursday, March 27, 1997 7:16am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 732116 To: Lythande Re: One uniquely designed female sex organ (Reply to #732004, Reply to #732000, Reply to #731851, R*) (1 reply) LY>VI>LY>VI>QU>QU>If I did I'd never get elected. Winning erections is what pol LY>VI>LY>VI>QU>QU>are all about. Using their erections on their constituents is LY>VI>LY>VI>QU>QU>of their favorite pastimes. :) LY>VI>LY>VI>QU>VI>Is it winning elections or winning erections that counts for LY>VI>LY>VI>QU>VI>politicans? :) LY>VI>LY>VI>QU>QU>Both. They get to use their erections on us after they win th LY>VI>LY>VI>QU>VI>And what about the female politicans? :) LY>VI>LY>VI>QU>NI>Strapons? LY>VI>LY>VI>QU>VI>I was thinking of something more female. :) LY>VI>LY>VI>QU>And what would that be? :) LY>VI>LY>VI>There's one uniquely female sex organ that is designed SOLELY for LY>VI>LY>VI>pleasure that I had in mind. :) LY>VI>LY>Oh? Which one is that? LY>VI>The brain maybe? :) LY>Are you saying that only females have brains, luv? ROFL! LY>But, seriously....the brain is indeed the primary sex organ. I'll leave it to your imagination as to what I was implying regarding men possessing brains. :) Date: Thursday, March 27, 1997 10:19am Forum: Xrated From: Steve Flur Msg#: 732126 To: Lythande Re: Strap on's (Reply to #732001, Reply to #731981, Reply to #731740, R*) (1 reply) Considering that there are more heterosexual males, I would think that they have more sex of all kinds than gay males. By the way, do you realize that there are cultures, especially in Africa where couples regularly engage in anal intercourse as a means of either preserving the female's "virginity" or as a means of birthcontrol. Date: Thursday, March 27, 1997 10:22am Forum: Xrated From: Steve Flur Msg#: 732127 To: Lythande Re: Strap on's (Reply to #732002, Reply to #731982, Reply to #731742, R*) (1 reply) LY>SF>LY>SF>Anal sex is not an any greater risk of tranmission than vaginal sex LY>SF>LY>SF>since due to a number of factors there can be both blood and other LY>SF>LY>SF>fluids present all of whom carry HIV. LY>SF>LY>Where did you get this information, Steve? As I understand it the LY>SF>LY>greater risks in anal sex comes from the greater chance of tearing and LY>SF>LY>irritation, creating blood/sperm contact. LY>SF>And the possibility of blood in vaginal fluid. LY>If a woman had blood in vaginal fluid it would only be a danger to the LY>male if he had open sores. LY>It's much more likely for anal sex to cause that sort of tearing in both LY>partners. How do you account for females being about 45% of new HIV infections in this country and even higher around the world? Date: Thursday, March 27, 1997 10:22am Forum: Xrated From: Steve Flur Msg#: 732128 To: Lythande Re: Sex with more than one (Reply to #732003, Reply to #731983, Reply to #731744, R*) (1 reply) LY>SF>LY>VI>LY>VI>SF>VI>That kind of gender ambuity in one person doesn't excit LY>SF>LY>VI>LY>VI>SF>VI>with a woman, I want a woman. When I am with a man, I LY>SF>LY>VI>LY>VI>SF>Or be with both simultaneously! LY>SF>LY>VI>LY>VI>I have never tried that. I have never been with more than one LY>SF>LY>VI>LY>VI>a time sexually. LY>SF>LY>VI>LY>Seems that Steve is more open-minded about this subject than you LY>SF>LY>VI>I don't think so. LY>SF>LY>VI>I can't envision Steve ever having sex with someone who wasn't male LY>SF>LY>VI>every sense of the word. LY>SF>LY>Well, you're open to sex with males or females. Steve seems to be ope LY>SF>LY>to sex with more than one person..... LY>SF>LY>So, you're both more open minded about some things! LY>SF>Now to convince Stanley! LY>??? LY>You want to have a threesome with you and a woman and Stanley? How heterosexist to assume a woman would be involved. Date: Thursday, March 27, 1997 10:28am Forum: Xrated From: Steve Flur Msg#: 732129 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #732113, Reply to #731982, Reply to #731742, R*) (1 reply) VI>SF>LY>SF>Anal sex is not an any greater risk of tranmission than vaginal sex VI>SF>LY>SF>since due to a number of factors there can be both blood and other VI>SF>LY>SF>fluids present all of whom carry HIV. VI>SF>LY>Where did you get this information, Steve? As I understand it the VI>SF>LY>greater risks in anal sex comes from the greater chance of tearing and VI>SF>LY>irritation, creating blood/sperm contact. VI>SF>And the possibility of blood in vaginal fluid. VI>Of course there is possiblity of blood in vaginal fluid. But that VI>generally only happens once a month, while a woman is having her VI>menstrual period. VI>I have the same understanding of the greater risk of anal sex vs. VI>vaginal sex as Deb. But remember Steve, this is not necessarily a VI>homosexual issue. Plenty of straight people engage in anal sex! Then how do you account for women being about 45% of HIV in this country and ever greater worldwide? Date: Thursday, March 27, 1997 10:29am Forum: Xrated From: Steve Flur Msg#: 732130 To: Vida Re: Sex with more than one (Reply to #732115, Reply to #732003, Reply to #731983, R*) (1 reply) VI>LY>SF>LY>VI>LY>VI>SF>VI>That kind of gender ambuity in one person doesn't ex VI>LY>SF>LY>VI>LY>VI>SF>VI>with a woman, I want a woman. When I am with a man, VI>LY>SF>LY>VI>LY>VI>SF>Or be with both simultaneously! VI>LY>SF>LY>VI>LY>VI>I have never tried that. I have never been with more than VI>LY>SF>LY>VI>LY>VI>a time sexually. VI>LY>SF>LY>VI>LY>Seems that Steve is more open-minded about this subject than VI>LY>SF>LY>VI>I don't think so. VI>LY>SF>LY>VI>I can't envision Steve ever having sex with someone who wasn't m VI>LY>SF>LY>VI>every sense of the word. VI>LY>SF>LY>Well, you're open to sex with males or females. Steve seems to be VI>LY>SF>LY>to sex with more than one person..... VI>LY>SF>LY>So, you're both more open minded about some things! VI>LY>SF>Now to convince Stanley! VI>LY>??? VI>LY>You want to have a threesome with you and a woman and Stanley? VI>No silly! He wants to try to convince Stanley to have a threesome with VI>another male! :) You are on the correct track! Date: Thursday, March 27, 1997 8:05pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 732154 To: Steve Flur Re: Strap on's (Reply to #732127, Reply to #732002, Reply to #731982, R*) (2 replies) SF>LY>SF>LY>SF>Anal sex is not an any greater risk of tranmission than vaginal SF>LY>SF>LY>SF>since due to a number of factors there can be both blood and oth SF>LY>SF>LY>SF>fluids present all of whom carry HIV. SF>LY>SF>LY>Where did you get this information, Steve? As I understand it the SF>LY>SF>LY>greater risks in anal sex comes from the greater chance of tearing SF>LY>SF>LY>irritation, creating blood/sperm contact. SF>LY>SF>And the possibility of blood in vaginal fluid. SF>LY>If a woman had blood in vaginal fluid it would only be a danger to the SF>LY>male if he had open sores. SF>LY>It's much more likely for anal sex to cause that sort of tearing in both SF>LY>partners. SF>How do you account for females being about 45% of new HIV infections in SF>this country and even higher around the world? You are assuming the women don't engage in anal sex Steve. Additionally, no one is saying that vaginal sex is not risky. Clearly it is, especially for females who are more likely to become HIV + from heterosexual intercourse than males. What Deb is saying (and what I also understand) is that anal sex carries an additional risk because of purely anatomical reasons. Quite frankly the annus was designed to expel matters, not to take in an object. If you use a body part in a manner for which it was not designed than you are asking for trouble. Date: Thursday, March 27, 1997 8:16pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 732155 To: Steve Flur Re: Strap on's (Reply to #732129, Reply to #732113, Reply to #731982, R*) (1 reply) SF>VI>SF>LY>SF>Anal sex is not an any greater risk of tranmission than vaginal SF>VI>SF>LY>SF>since due to a number of factors there can be both blood and oth SF>VI>SF>LY>SF>fluids present all of whom carry HIV. SF>VI>SF>LY>Where did you get this information, Steve? As I understand it the SF>VI>SF>LY>greater risks in anal sex comes from the greater chance of tearing SF>VI>SF>LY>irritation, creating blood/sperm contact. SF>VI>SF>And the possibility of blood in vaginal fluid. SF>VI>Of course there is possiblity of blood in vaginal fluid. But that SF>VI>generally only happens once a month, while a woman is having her SF>VI>menstrual period. SF>VI>I have the same understanding of the greater risk of anal sex vs. SF>VI>vaginal sex as Deb. But remember Steve, this is not necessarily a SF>VI>homosexual issue. Plenty of straight people engage in anal sex! SF>Then how do you account for women being about 45% of HIV in this country SF>and ever greater worldwide? I think you yourself pointed out the reason for this-- gay people are only 10% of the general population, assuming that you accept the Kinsey figure as accurate. It is my general understanding that for both anal and vaginal intercourse that the person that receives the object is at a greater risk than the preson who inserts the object. So among hetersexuals and bis you are going to see more women seroconverting than men because traditionally women are the sexual recipetents. Date: Friday, March 28, 1997 12:16am Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 732165 To: Lythande Re: What does love have to do with sexual pleasure (Reply to #732094, Reply to #732075, Reply to #731865, R*) (1 reply) The first time with someone you love isnt always that wonderful... I'm glad Rob doesn't call here... but... I was so in love/lust with him, we were in vermont, having a great time... everything seemed perfect... but we both knew what was at stake, I think.. plus, we had decided to wait a while, and we waited... AND... THIS WAS IT! BUT! It wasn't... we were both so nervous and so concerned that everything be perfect, that we were like.. Uh.. you know... maybe we should go to sleep... The second time, however! :-) I have had dont give a fuck sex with people i've loved before... and me and Rob do.. to some extent... but it isn't really the same kind of "dont give a fuck", because as much as you are acting in the moment and thinking you dont give a fuck... you DO... with someone you dont care about though, you can truly not give a fuck. In my mind its different. Its like... you can have the most amazing soul embracing kisses with someone you love, they can be hungry and wet and devourous, or they have can be warm and romantic and make your entire body tingle... but it still can't ever be the same as a very first kiss. Date: Friday, March 28, 1997 12:19am Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 732166 To: Vida Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #732097, Reply to #731870, Reply to #724827, C*) (2 replies) That's why I have these amazing xrated dream about hot fems with puffy lips and curly hair... Monogamy sucks sometimes.... Date: Friday, March 28, 1997 12:21am Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 732167 To: Lythande Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #732104, Reply to #732076, Reply to #731872, R*) (1 reply) You're a smart woman. Me, "not so much"... Date: Friday, March 28, 1997 12:23am Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 732168 To: Lythande Re: Ly buttered up (Reply to #732105, Reply to #732077, Reply to #731878, R*) (2 replies) You think Ed would share his toys with me? the three of us... with you all "buttered up"... Hmmm... could be very... slippery... might have to hold on tight... Date: Friday, March 28, 1997 12:24am Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 732169 To: Lythande Re: The Goddess Of Lust (Reply to #732106, Reply to #732078, Reply to #731880, R*) (1 reply) Takes too much brain power... I'll find my way one of these days... come to think of it., I dont know if i've ever been in there... Date: Friday, March 28, 1997 12:25am Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 732170 To: Lythande Re: Silk dildos (Reply to #732108, Reply to #732079, Reply to #731882, R*) (1 reply) Hmmmm... i like messy games... but i always clean up... Date: Friday, March 28, 1997 12:26am Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 732171 To: Lythande Re: The Goddess Of Lust (Reply to #732114, Reply to #732080, Reply to #731883, R*) (1 reply) You have his number? Date: Friday, March 28, 1997 6:45am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 732175 To: Steve Flur Re: Sex with more than one (Reply to #732130, Reply to #732115, Reply to #732003, R*) (1 reply) SF>VI>LY>SF>LY>VI>LY>VI>SF>VI>That kind of gender ambuity in one person doesn't SF>VI>LY>SF>LY>VI>LY>VI>SF>VI>with a woman, I want a woman. When I am with a m SF>VI>LY>SF>LY>VI>LY>VI>SF>Or be with both simultaneously! SF>VI>LY>SF>LY>VI>LY>VI>I have never tried that. I have never been with more th SF>VI>LY>SF>LY>VI>LY>VI>a time sexually. SF>VI>LY>SF>LY>VI>LY>Seems that Steve is more open-minded about this subject th SF>VI>LY>SF>LY>VI>I don't think so. SF>VI>LY>SF>LY>VI>I can't envision Steve ever having sex with someone who wasn' SF>VI>LY>SF>LY>VI>every sense of the word. SF>VI>LY>SF>LY>Well, you're open to sex with males or females. Steve seems to SF>VI>LY>SF>LY>to sex with more than one person..... SF>VI>LY>SF>LY>So, you're both more open minded about some things! SF>VI>LY>SF>Now to convince Stanley! SF>VI>LY>??? SF>VI>LY>You want to have a threesome with you and a woman and Stanley? SF>VI>No silly! He wants to try to convince Stanley to have a threesome with SF>VI>another male! :) SF>You are on the correct track! Of course! Of course! :) Date: Friday, March 28, 1997 6:47am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 732176 To: Synne Re: A lovely, inviting pussy (Reply to #732166, Reply to #732097, Reply to #731870, R*) (2 replies) SY>That's why I have these amazing xrated dream about hot fems with puffy SY>lips and curly hair... SY>Monogamy sucks sometimes.... Monogamy diffently sucks sometimes. As soon as I read about puffy lips and curly hair I thought of a lovely, inviting pussy. Date: Friday, March 28, 1997 7:01am Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 732186 To: Vida Re: Can't enjoy sex (Reply to #732088, Reply to #731864, Reply to #722558, R*) (2 replies) VI>LY>VI>It is possible that you might be able to help. VI>LY>VI>In my opinion, a person only gets to be in a position where they can't VI>LY>VI>enjoy sex unless they have been greviously injuried...and probably VI>LY>VI>injuried by sexual abuse of some sort. VI>LY>VI>This woman needs sexual healing, from a kind, compassionate and VI>LY>VI>understanding lover. :) VI>LY>Actually, when I didn't enjoy sex it was because the person I was with VI>LY>didn't think that women SHOULD enjoy sex. Only men are supposed to VI>LY>enjoy sex, right? ROFL! VI>It's not a joke. Some people REALLY believe that to be true. :( Yeah, I know - I was married to someone like that once. If I moved while we were having sex, he wanted to know what was wrong! But then, there are also men, like Ed, who seem to think that their mission in life is to make sure that women enjoy sex. Date: Friday, March 28, 1997 7:02am Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 732187 To: Vida Re: What does love have to do with sexual pleasure? (Reply to #732089, Reply to #731867, Reply to #723057, R*) (1 reply) VI>LY>VI>DO> What does love have to do with sexual pleasure? ;) VI>LY>VI>DO>--- VI>LY>VI>In theory, nothing. I practice, everything in the world. :) VI>LY>I agree with you - it has EVERYTHING to do with it! VI>That's because you experience the most intense sexual pleasure when you VI>are both literally and figuratively making love. I know. I think that after someone experiences the synergy of love and lust they could never settle for one without the other again. Date: Friday, March 28, 1997 7:04am Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 732188 To: Vida Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #732092, Reply to #731868, Reply to #724704, C*) (1 reply) VI>LY>VI>SC>VI>I'm not married, but I sill indulge in indoor recreation activit VI>LY>VI>SC>Outdoor "recreation activities" can be pretty interesting also :) VI>LY>VI>As long as you don't get caught. :) VI>LY>Ack! VI>LY>But, wondering if you'll be caught every second is exactly what's so VI>LY>much fun about outdoor activities! VI>And some person that I can think of get sexually turned on by VI>fantasizing that they will get caught! Yeah! Like me! heheheee A year or so ago we made love outdoors, right at the end of a path to a pond. But, it was in the middle of nowhere at the end of a 3 mile hike. About two seconds after we got dressed, two mountain bikers emerged - I always did wonder what they'd seen. hehheee Date: Friday, March 28, 1997 7:05am Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 732189 To: Vida Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #732097, Reply to #731870, Reply to #724827, C*) (2 replies) VI>LY>VI>SC>Now that sounds different. :) VI>LY>VI>Well Bob likes to play with the fantasy of having sex with me and VI>LY>VI>another female. I have told him no way. It would be playing with fir VI>LY>VI>for me to have sex with another female. VI>LY>Even in a fantasy?? VI>Even fantasizing about having sex with a female seems very dangerous to VI>me. Ever time that I do, I start to get a real strong craving for a VI>female body. See, that's what I don't understand! If you love Bob and he'd like it if you were with a female, couldn't you be with a female while still loving Bob? Date: Friday, March 28, 1997 7:06am Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 732190 To: Vida Re: Playing with DrPax (Reply to #732103, Reply to #731884, Reply to #731777, R*) (1 reply) VI>LY>VI>LY>So, what do you play with DrPax anyway? hehehee VI>LY>VI>You are a wicked girl, you! :) VI>LY>Why, of course! Isn't that why you love me? VI>It's ONE of the reasons! :) Uh oh! What are the other ones? Date: Friday, March 28, 1997 7:08am Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 732191 To: Vida Re: Sex with more than one (Reply to #732110, Reply to #731885, Reply to #731778, R*) (1 reply) VI>While the thought of two people paying attention to you is intriguing VI>for a moment, I don't think it would work for me. I find that when I VI>have sex that I need to concentrate or focus my attention on one act. I usually focus on one person, but not necessarily one act. Actually, I don't think at all when I'm making love - can't - my mind just turns into raw feeling. VI>For me, if my attention gets divided up then the pleasure becomes less VI>intense. That's why I don't particularly like to "69". I like giving VI>oral sex and I adore receiving oral sex, but doing both at the same VI>time just doesn't work too well for me. Yeah - I agree. And, for exactly the same reason. I only like to give or receive, not both at the same time usually. Date: Friday, March 28, 1997 7:08am Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 732192 To: Vida Re: Or be with both simultaneously! (Reply to #732111, Reply to #731886, Reply to #731781, R*) (1 reply) VI>LY>VI>LY>It's more like what you said up there - when I'm with a man, I want VI>LY>VI>LY>man and..... VI>LY>VI>AND?????? :) VI>LY>When I'm with a woman.... VI>AND?????? :) Rhetorical question, luv? Date: Friday, March 28, 1997 7:09am Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 732193 To: Vida Re: Sex with more than one (Reply to #732115, Reply to #732003, Reply to #731983, R*) (1 reply) VI>LY>You want to have a threesome with you and a woman and Stanley? VI>No silly! He wants to try to convince Stanley to have a threesome with VI>another male! :) Are you sure? I seem to remember Steve Flur flirting with Lady Oh, not so long ago....heheheee Date: Friday, March 28, 1997 7:10am Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 732194 To: Vida Re: One uniquely designed female sex organ (Reply to #732116, Reply to #732004, Reply to #732000, R*) (2 replies) VI>LY>Are you saying that only females have brains, luv? ROFL! VI>LY>But, seriously....the brain is indeed the primary sex organ. VI>I'll leave it to your imagination as to what I was implying regarding VI>men possessing brains. :) Well, some men have brains elsewhere! One or two of them, that is. Date: Friday, March 28, 1997 7:11am Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 732195 To: Steve Flur Re: Strap on's (Reply to #732126, Reply to #732001, Reply to #731981, R*) (1 reply) SF>Considering that there are more heterosexual males, I would think that SF>they have more sex of all kinds than gay males. By the way, do you SF>realize that there are cultures, especially in Africa where couples SF>regularly engage in anal intercourse as a means of either preserving the SF>female's "virginity" or as a means of birthcontrol. Steve, I'm asking you a simple question - what percentage of gay males do you think engage in anal sex? Date: Friday, March 28, 1997 7:12am Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 732196 To: Steve Flur Re: Sex with more than one (Reply to #732128, Reply to #732003, Reply to #731983, R*) (1 reply) SF>LY>SF>LY>Well, you're open to sex with males or females. Steve seems to be SF>LY>SF>LY>to sex with more than one person..... SF>LY>SF>LY>So, you're both more open minded about some things! SF>LY>SF>Now to convince Stanley! SF>LY>??? SF>LY>You want to have a threesome with you and a woman and Stanley? SF>How heterosexist to assume a woman would be involved. ROFL! You're right...but, I was remembering when you and Lady Oh seemed to be talking about corrupting Stanley. Date: Friday, March 28, 1997 7:15am Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 732197 To: Synne Re: What does love have to do with sexual pleasure (Reply to #732165, Reply to #732094, Reply to #732075, R*) (2 replies) SY>The first time with someone you love isnt always that wonderful... SY> I'm glad Rob doesn't call here... but... I was so in love/lust SY>with him, we were in vermont, having a great time... everything seemed SY>perfect... but we both knew what was at stake, I think.. plus, we had SY>decided to wait a while, and we waited... AND... THIS WAS IT! BUT! It SY>wasn't... we were both so nervous and so concerned that everything be SY>perfect, that we were like.. Uh.. you know... maybe we should go to SY>sleep... The second time, however! :-) Well, I have a feeling that this has changed. What you're talking about was probably because of anxiety since it was planned. SY>I have had dont give a fuck sex with people i've loved before... and me SY>and Rob do.. to some extent... but it isn't really the same kind of SY>"dont give a fuck", because as much as you are acting in the moment and SY>thinking you dont give a fuck... you DO... with someone you dont care SY>about though, you can truly not give a fuck. In my mind its different. SY> Yeah, I guess. But, sometimes really hard, hot, even almost violent sex with someone you love can be interesting.... Doesn't always have to be soft and romantic and sweet. SY>Its like... you can have the most amazing soul embracing kisses with SY>someone you love, they can be hungry and wet and devourous, or they have SY>can be warm and romantic and make your entire body tingle... but it SY>still can't ever be the same as a very first kiss. No, it can't. That first kiss with someone you love is the most amazing thing in the world. Don't know about you, but every kiss from someone I love makes my entire body tingle. Even thinking about those kisses can cause the same tingling! Date: Friday, March 28, 1997 7:16am Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 732198 To: Synne Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #732166, Reply to #732097, Reply to #731870, R*) (2 replies) SY>That's why I have these amazing xrated dream about hot fems with puffy SY>lips and curly hair... SY>Monogamy sucks sometimes.... POUT! Curly hair? Oh well! heheheheeee Date: Friday, March 28, 1997 7:17am Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 732199 To: Synne Re: Massage lotion (Reply to #732167, Reply to #732104, Reply to #732076, R*) (1 reply) SY>You're a smart woman. Me, "not so much"... Nah, not so smart - spoiled! Why do a massage anywhere but our king sized bed? BTW, I think we still have some Victoria's Secret massage lotion. hehee Date: Friday, March 28, 1997 7:18am Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 732200 To: Synne Re: Ly buttered up (Reply to #732168, Reply to #732105, Reply to #732077, R*) (1 reply) SY>You think Ed would share his toys with me? Oh no, I don't think so.....I know so. SY> the three of us... with you all "buttered up"... SY>Hmmm... Danakins.....you are SO good at imaging! SY>could be very... slippery... might have to hold on tight... To which person? Date: Friday, March 28, 1997 7:18am Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 732201 To: Synne Re: The Goddess Of Lust (Reply to #732169, Reply to #732106, Reply to #732078, R*) (1 reply) SY>Takes too much brain power... I'll find my way one of these days... come SY>to think of it., I dont know if i've ever been in there... I go in there to play - but, only when I'm in exactly the right mood..... Go look - I was just in there the other day. Date: Friday, March 28, 1997 7:19am Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 732202 To: Synne Re: Silk dildos (Reply to #732170, Reply to #732108, Reply to #732079, R*) (1 reply) SY>Hmmmm... i like messy games... but i always clean up... In that case, we'll have to make sure we're veru messy. Date: Friday, March 28, 1997 7:19am Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 732203 To: Synne Re: The Goddess Of Lust (Reply to #732171, Reply to #732114, Reply to #732080, R*) (1 reply) SY>You have his number? Yes.....are you calling him or am I? Date: Friday, March 28, 1997 7:20am Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 732204 To: Vida Re: A lovely, inviting pussy (Reply to #732176, Reply to #732166, Reply to #732097, R*) (1 reply) VI>SY>That's why I have these amazing xrated dream about hot fems with puffy VI>SY>lips and curly hair... VI>SY>Monogamy sucks sometimes.... VI>Monogamy diffently sucks sometimes. As soon as I read about puffy lips VI>and curly hair I thought of a lovely, inviting pussy. ROFL! How come I'm not surprised? Date: Friday, March 28, 1997 9:39am Forum: Xrated From: Sysop Msg#: 732245 To: Synne Re: Ly buttered up (Reply to #732168, Reply to #732105, Reply to #732077, R*) (2 replies) SY>You think Ed would share his toys with me? SY> the three of us... with you all "buttered up"... SY>Hmmm... SY>could be very... slippery... might have to hold on tight... Of course I'd share. And I've had that visual image of the three of us in my mind for years, ever since we were on the bed together all those years ago. So....when ya comin' over :) Date: Friday, March 28, 1997 9:44am Forum: Xrated From: Sysop Msg#: 732246 To: Lythande Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #732198, Reply to #732166, Reply to #732097, R*) (1 reply) LY>SY>That's why I have these amazing xrated dream about hot fems with puffy LY>SY>lips and curly hair... LY>SY>Monogamy sucks sometimes.... LY>POUT! LY>Curly hair? LY>Oh well! LY>heheheheeee Hurry, get a perm or something, maybe we can seduce her :) Date: Friday, March 28, 1997 11:11am Forum: Xrated From: AahzDeva Msg#: 732248 To: Lythande Re: What we can do with those two items (Reply to #732027, Reply to #732013, Fw by Lythande, Rep*) (1 reply) LY>AA>Hmmmmmmmm Wonder what We can do with those items? LY>Which two items were those again, baby? hehehheee MMMMMMMMM Sweetie What would you like them to be I'm sure between the two of us something can come up........ hehehehheh Date: Friday, March 28, 1997 10:06pm Forum: Xrated From: Don Msg#: 732257 To: Lythande Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #732029, Reply to #732023, Reply to #731872, R*) (1 reply) ³LL> The problem is finding a beach that's private! ³ ÔÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ; Finding one that's not so private can be just as fun. --- þ MegaMail 2.10 #0:AA is like an adjustable wrench; it fits any nut Date: Friday, March 28, 1997 10:06pm Forum: Xrated From: Don Msg#: 732258 To: Lythande Re: Strap on's (Reply to #732002, Reply to #731982, Reply to #731742, R*) (1 reply) ³LL> If a woman had blood in vaginal fluid it would only be a danger to the ³ ³LL> male if he had open sores. ³ ³LL> ³ ³LL> It's much more likely for anal sex to cause that sort of tearing in bot³ ³LL> partners. ³ ÔÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ; Actually the research is limited as to what is more risky -- vaginal or anal sex; it is mostly speculative. It is true that in either case, the "receiver of the penis" is more at risk than the one who's doing the penetrating. But as far as comparing anal to vaginal, both are high risk (yes, there's is more tearing with anal sex, but when considering the vagina, the mucous membranes are very suseptible to the HIV). --- þ MegaMail 2.10 #0:Agnodyslexic plea: "Why me, dog?" Date: Friday, March 28, 1997 11:12pm Forum: Xrated From: Don Msg#: 732284 To: Lythande Re: Can't enjoy sex (Reply to #732186, Reply to #732088, Reply to #731864, R*) (1 reply) ³LL> Yeah, I know - I was married to someone like that once. If I moved ³ ³LL> while we were having sex, he wanted to know what was wrong! ³ ³LL> ³ ³LL> But then, there are also men, like Ed, who seem to think that their ³ ³LL> mission in life is to make sure that women enjoy sex. ³ ÔÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ; I couldn't enjoy sex if my partner wasn't also enjoying it. --- þ MegaMail 2.10 #0:Cats: nature's pop-up targets. Date: Friday, March 28, 1997 11:12pm Forum: Xrated From: Don Msg#: 732285 To: Lythande Re: One uniquely designed female sex organ (Reply to #732194, Reply to #732116, Reply to #732004, R*) (1 reply) ³LL> Well, some men have brains elsewhere! One or two of them, that is. ³ ÔÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ; Hey, hey, hey! --- þ MegaMail 2.10 #0:Cats: the ultimate stress reliever. Date: Friday, March 28, 1997 11:12pm Forum: Xrated From: Don Msg#: 732286 To: Vida Re: When your brain is in someone's mouth (Reply to #732110, Reply to #731885, Reply to #731778, R*) (4 replies) ³VV> For me, if my attention gets divided up then the pleasure becomes less ³ ³VV> intense. That's why I don't particularly like to "69". I like giving ³ ³VV> oral sex and I adore receiving oral sex, but doing both at the same ³ ³VV> time just doesn't work too well for me. ³ ÔÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ; Same here...besides...it's hard to think and focus when your brain is in someone's mouth. ;) --- þ MegaMail 2.10 #0:"Chipmuuunks roasting on an open fiiirrrre..." Date: Saturday, March 29, 1997 6:29pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 732295 To: Lythande Re: Can't enjoy sex (Reply to #732186, Reply to #732088, Reply to #731864, R*) LY>VI>LY>VI>It is possible that you might be able to help. LY>VI>LY>VI>In my opinion, a person only gets to be in a position where they ca LY>VI>LY>VI>enjoy sex unless they have been greviously injuried...and probably LY>VI>LY>VI>injuried by sexual abuse of some sort. LY>VI>LY>VI>This woman needs sexual healing, from a kind, compassionate and LY>VI>LY>VI>understanding lover. :) LY>VI>LY>Actually, when I didn't enjoy sex it was because the person I was with LY>VI>LY>didn't think that women SHOULD enjoy sex. Only men are supposed to LY>VI>LY>enjoy sex, right? ROFL! LY>VI>It's not a joke. Some people REALLY believe that to be true. :( LY>Yeah, I know - I was married to someone like that once. If I moved LY>while we were having sex, he wanted to know what was wrong! And I would say if you DIDN"T move, what's wrong. :) LY>But then, there are also men, like Ed, who seem to think that their LY>mission in life is to make sure that women enjoy sex. Thank goodness you nabbed him then! :) Date: Saturday, March 29, 1997 6:30pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 732296 To: Lythande Re: What does love have to do with sexual pleasure? (Reply to #732187, Reply to #732089, Reply to #731867, R*) (1 reply) LY>VI>LY>VI>DO> What does love have to do with sexual pleasure? ;) LY>VI>LY>VI>DO>--- LY>VI>LY>VI>In theory, nothing. I practice, everything in the world. :) LY>VI>LY>I agree with you - it has EVERYTHING to do with it! LY>VI>That's because you experience the most intense sexual pleasure when you LY>VI>are both literally and figuratively making love. LY>I know. I think that after someone experiences the synergy of love and LY>lust they could never settle for one without the other again. Why should they? :) Date: Saturday, March 29, 1997 6:31pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 732297 To: Lythande Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #732188, Reply to #732092, Reply to #731868, R*) (1 reply) LY>VI>LY>VI>SC>VI>I'm not married, but I sill indulge in indoor recreation acti LY>VI>LY>VI>SC>Outdoor "recreation activities" can be pretty interesting also : LY>VI>LY>VI>As long as you don't get caught. :) LY>VI>LY>Ack! LY>VI>LY>But, wondering if you'll be caught every second is exactly what's so LY>VI>LY>much fun about outdoor activities! LY>VI>And some person that I can think of get sexually turned on by LY>VI>fantasizing that they will get caught! LY>Yeah! LY>Like me! heheheee LY>A year or so ago we made love outdoors, right at the end of a path to a LY>pond. But, it was in the middle of nowhere at the end of a 3 mile hike. LY>About two seconds after we got dressed, two mountain bikers emerged - I LY>always did wonder what they'd seen. hehheee Wondered or hoped? :) Date: Saturday, March 29, 1997 6:34pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 732298 To: Lythande Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #732189, Reply to #732097, Reply to #731870, R*) (1 reply) LY>VI>LY>VI>SC>Now that sounds different. :) LY>VI>LY>VI>Well Bob likes to play with the fantasy of having sex with me and LY>VI>LY>VI>another female. I have told him no way. It would be playing with LY>VI>LY>VI>for me to have sex with another female. LY>VI>LY>Even in a fantasy?? LY>VI>Even fantasizing about having sex with a female seems very dangerous to LY>VI>me. Ever time that I do, I start to get a real strong craving for a LY>VI>female body. LY>See, that's what I don't understand! LY>If you love Bob and he'd like it if you were with a female, couldn't you LY>be with a female while still loving Bob? I don't think so. First of all, I can't see how it is possible to have that synergy of love and lust which we were discussing earlier in a threesome. Secondly, my sexuality is very much more lesbian than heterosexual. So I am really afraid that if I touched a female's body that I would want to form a primary relationship with the female. Which would, by necessity, require me to break up with Bob. Date: Saturday, March 29, 1997 6:36pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 732299 To: Lythande Re: Playing with DrPax (Reply to #732190, Reply to #732103, Reply to #731884, R*) (1 reply) LY>VI>LY>VI>LY>So, what do you play with DrPax anyway? hehehee LY>VI>LY>VI>You are a wicked girl, you! :) LY>VI>LY>Why, of course! Isn't that why you love me? LY>VI>It's ONE of the reasons! :) LY>Uh oh! LY>What are the other ones? There are so many! Mainly it is because you are a good friend. Also I love you because you are smart and because you are cute. :) Date: Saturday, March 29, 1997 6:38pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 732300 To: Lythande Re: Sex with more than one (Reply to #732191, Reply to #732110, Reply to #731885, R*) (1 reply) LY>VI>While the thought of two people paying attention to you is intriguing LY>VI>for a moment, I don't think it would work for me. I find that when I LY>VI>have sex that I need to concentrate or focus my attention on one act. LY>I usually focus on one person, but not necessarily one act. LY>Actually, I don't think at all when I'm making love - can't - my mind LY>just turns into raw feeling. So if you usually focus on one person isn't it distracting if you are having sex with more than one? I am pretty sure that it would be distracting for me. LY>VI>For me, if my attention gets divided up then the pleasure becomes less LY>VI>intense. That's why I don't particularly like to "69". I like giving LY>VI>oral sex and I adore receiving oral sex, but doing both at the same LY>VI>time just doesn't work too well for me. LY>Yeah - I agree. And, for exactly the same reason. I only like to give LY>or receive, not both at the same time usually. But MEN on the other hand seem to get really turned on when they do both. :) Date: Saturday, March 29, 1997 6:39pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 732301 To: Lythande Re: Or be with both simultaneously! (Reply to #732192, Reply to #732111, Reply to #731886, R*) LY>VI>LY>VI>LY>It's more like what you said up there - when I'm with a man, I w LY>VI>LY>VI>LY>man and..... LY>VI>LY>VI>AND?????? :) LY>VI>LY>When I'm with a woman.... LY>VI>AND?????? :) LY>Rhetorical question, luv? Not rhetorical at all. :) Date: Saturday, March 29, 1997 6:40pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 732302 To: Lythande Re: Sex with more than one (Reply to #732193, Reply to #732115, Reply to #732003, R*) (1 reply) LY>VI>LY>You want to have a threesome with you and a woman and Stanley? LY>VI>No silly! He wants to try to convince Stanley to have a threesome with LY>VI>another male! :) LY>Are you sure? I seem to remember Steve Flur flirting with Lady Oh, not LY>so long ago....heheheee He seemed pretty clear about his intent. Remember he accused you of being heterosexist for even thinking that he might want a threesome with a woman. Date: Saturday, March 29, 1997 6:40pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 732303 To: Lythande Re: One uniquely designed female sex organ (Reply to #732194, Reply to #732116, Reply to #732004, R*) LY>VI>LY>Are you saying that only females have brains, luv? ROFL! LY>VI>LY>But, seriously....the brain is indeed the primary sex organ. LY>VI>I'll leave it to your imagination as to what I was implying regarding LY>VI>men possessing brains. :) LY>Well, some men have brains elsewhere! One or two of them, that is. Perhaps. :) Date: Saturday, March 29, 1997 6:41pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 732304 To: Lythande Re: A lovely, inviting pussy (Reply to #732204, Reply to #732176, Reply to #732166, R*) LY>VI>SY>That's why I have these amazing xrated dream about hot fems with puffy LY>VI>SY>lips and curly hair... LY>VI>SY>Monogamy sucks sometimes.... LY>VI>Monogamy diffently sucks sometimes. As soon as I read about puffy lips LY>VI>and curly hair I thought of a lovely, inviting pussy. LY>ROFL! LY>How come I'm not surprised? No reason in the world. :) Date: Saturday, March 29, 1997 6:42pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 732305 To: Don Re: Sex with more than one (Reply to #732286, Reply to #732110, Reply to #731885, R*) (1 reply) DO>³VV> For me, if my attention gets divided up then the pleasure becomes less DO>³VV> intense. That's why I don't particularly like to "69". I like giving DO>³VV> oral sex and I adore receiving oral sex, but doing both at the same DO>³VV> time just doesn't work too well for me. DO>ÔÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ DO> Same here...besides...it's hard to think and focus when your DO> brain is in someone's mouth. ;) DO>--- With any luck you just get lost in the act. :) Date: Saturday, March 29, 1997 9:30pm Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 732310 To: Vida Re: A lovely, inviting pussy (Reply to #732176, Reply to #732166, Reply to #732097, R*) (1 reply) I was talking about those atributes above the neck :-) but below would do as well... Date: Saturday, March 29, 1997 9:32pm Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 732311 To: Lythande Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #732189, Reply to #732097, Reply to #731870, R*) (2 replies) And be sure that no feelings of jealousy would arise? And that another countless things wouldn't fuck up their relationship? I dont know if those are the things Vida meant.. but I've thought about it so many times.. and everytime I thought about it, I didn't see any possible way for things not to get fucked up. unfortunately... Date: Saturday, March 29, 1997 9:38pm Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 732312 To: Lythande Re: What does love have to do with sexual pleasure (Reply to #732197, Reply to #732165, Reply to #732094, R*) (1 reply) Sex with someone you love can be totally mind blowing... let alone "interesting" :-) My point is that its different... and I'm not sure it can really be compared... Every kiss is different and has different feelings attached to it depending on what else is going on... I have had amazing lustful, violent, passionate, romantic, etc etc etc sex with people I loved very much... and each have been amazing... but I dont think I could ever have "dont give a fuck" sex with someone I love... cause I DO give a fuck... and I think I'll miss that... but I wouldn't be willing to trade Rob in for a lifetime of amazing dont give a fuck sex! :-) Date: Saturday, March 29, 1997 9:38pm Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 732313 To: Lythande Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #732198, Reply to #732166, Reply to #732097, R*) (1 reply) I CAN MAKE AN EXCEPTION!!!! Only for you! Date: Saturday, March 29, 1997 9:39pm Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 732314 To: Lythande Re: Massage lotion (Reply to #732199, Reply to #732167, Reply to #732104, R*) (1 reply) hahahahaha YUM! I told you my friend went out and got me some after I got home from ur place... she was like "here, shut up already!" :-) YUM. Date: Saturday, March 29, 1997 9:40pm Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 732315 To: Lythande Re: Ly buttered up (Reply to #732200, Reply to #732168, Reply to #732105, R*) (1 reply) Who's be slippery? after a few mins... all of us!!! Date: Saturday, March 29, 1997 9:41pm Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 732316 To: Lythande Re: The Goddess Of Lust (Reply to #732201, Reply to #732169, Reply to #732106, R*) have to be in the mood... I'll stop by soon.. Date: Saturday, March 29, 1997 9:41pm Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 732317 To: Lythande Re: Silk dildos (Reply to #732202, Reply to #732170, Reply to #732108, R*) (1 reply) Date: Saturday, March 29, 1997 9:41pm Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 732318 To: Lythande Re: The Goddess Of Lust (Reply to #732203, Reply to #732171, Reply to #732114, R*) (1 reply) I have three way calling! :-) Date: Saturday, March 29, 1997 9:43pm Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 732319 To: Sysop Re: Ly buttered up (Reply to #732245, Reply to #732168, Reply to #732105, R*) Mmmmm nice, yummy bed... Date: Saturday, March 29, 1997 9:46pm Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 732320 To: Don Re: Sex with more than one (Reply to #732286, Reply to #732110, Reply to #731885, R*) (1 reply) That actually works real well for me... when my mind is on making someone else feel good, my body is on its own and does whatever it wants... usually I'm so busy doing what I'm doing that when I start feeling good, its almost like a surprise... Date: Sunday, March 30, 1997 8:26am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 732335 To: Synne Re: A lovely, inviting pussy (Reply to #732310, Reply to #732176, Reply to #732166, R*) SY>I was talking about those atributes above the neck :-) but below would SY>do as well... SY> WOW! :) Date: Sunday, March 30, 1997 8:28am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 732336 To: Synne Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #732311, Reply to #732189, Reply to #732097, R*) (4 replies) SY>And be sure that no feelings of jealousy would arise? And that another SY>countless things wouldn't fuck up their relationship? SY>I dont know if those are the things Vida meant.. but I've thought about SY>it so many times.. and everytime I thought about it, I didn't see any SY>possible way for things not to get fucked up. SY>unfortunately... That's EXACTLY how I feel! I don't see how it is possible to get involved in a nonexclusive sexual relationship WITHOUT someone getting jealous somewhere along the way. Date: Sunday, March 30, 1997 8:38am Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 732337 To: Sysop Re: Ly buttered up (Reply to #732245, Reply to #732168, Reply to #732105, R*) (2 replies) SY>SY> the three of us... with you all "buttered up"... SY>SY>Hmmm... SY>SY>could be very... slippery... might have to hold on tight... SY>Of course I'd share. And I've had that visual image of the three of us SY>in my mind for years, ever since we were on the bed together all those SY>years ago. Ummmmm, sweetheart.....I don't believe that you were in the bedroom when I was in there with Synne - you must be thinking of when the four of us were on the couch and I was handcuffed? Date: Sunday, March 30, 1997 8:39am Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 732338 To: Sysop Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #732246, Reply to #732198, Reply to #732166, R*) SY>LY>SY>That's why I have these amazing xrated dream about hot fems with puffy SY>LY>SY>lips and curly hair... SY>LY>SY>Monogamy sucks sometimes.... SY>LY>POUT! SY>LY>Curly hair? SY>LY>Oh well! SY>LY>heheheheeee SY>Hurry, get a perm or something, maybe we can seduce her :) Forget it! I have a feeling she'll make an exception for me! Date: Sunday, March 30, 1997 8:39am Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 732339 To: AahzDeva Re: What we can do with those two items (Reply to #732248, Reply to #732027, Reply to #732013, F*) AA>LY>AA>Hmmmmmmmm Wonder what We can do with those items? AA>LY>Which two items were those again, baby? hehehheee AA>MMMMMMMMM Sweetie What would you like them to be I'm sure between AA>the two of us something can come up........ hehehehheh Oh, but something always comes up between us, baby.... Date: Sunday, March 30, 1997 8:40am Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 732340 To: Don Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #732257, Reply to #732029, Reply to #732023, R*) DO>³LL> The problem is finding a beach that's private! DO>ÔÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ DO> Finding one that's not so private can be just as fun. True - just private enough to be safe. Maybe. Date: Sunday, March 30, 1997 8:41am Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 732341 To: Don Re: Strap on's (Reply to #732258, Reply to #732002, Reply to #731982, R*) (2 replies) DO> Actually the research is limited as to what is more risky -- DO> vaginal or anal sex; it is mostly speculative. Then why special interest groups like Gay Men's Health Crisis? Date: Sunday, March 30, 1997 8:42am Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 732342 To: Don Re: Can't enjoy sex (Reply to #732284, Reply to #732186, Reply to #732088, R*) (1 reply) DO>³LL> Yeah, I know - I was married to someone like that once. If I moved DO>³LL> while we were having sex, he wanted to know what was wrong! DO>³LL> DO>³LL> But then, there are also men, like Ed, who seem to think that their DO>³LL> mission in life is to make sure that women enjoy sex. DO>ÔÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ DO> I couldn't enjoy sex if my partner wasn't also enjoying it. Unfortunately, some men can and do. They don't seem to know that the female enjoying it is possible. Nor, do they care, I have a feeling that sort of man is the type who buys blow up dolls or goes to hookers. Date: Sunday, March 30, 1997 8:42am Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 732343 To: Don Re: One uniquely designed female sex organ (Reply to #732285, Reply to #732194, Reply to #732116, R*) (1 reply) DO>³LL> Well, some men have brains elsewhere! One or two of them, that is. DO>ÔÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ DO> Hey, hey, hey! Hey yourself! I said some men have more than one brain! Date: Sunday, March 30, 1997 8:43am Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 732344 To: Don Re: When your brain is in someone's mouth (Reply to #732286, Reply to #732110, Reply to #731885, R*) (1 reply) DO> Same here...besides...it's hard to think and focus when your DO> brain is in someone's mouth. ;) Ahah! You admit it! Date: Sunday, March 30, 1997 8:44am Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 732345 To: Vida Re: What does love have to do with sexual pleasure? (Reply to #732296, Reply to #732187, Reply to #732089, R*) (1 reply) VI>LY>VI>LY>VI>DO> What does love have to do with sexual pleasure? ;) VI>LY>VI>LY>VI>DO>--- VI>LY>VI>LY>VI>In theory, nothing. I practice, everything in the world. :) VI>LY>VI>LY>I agree with you - it has EVERYTHING to do with it! VI>LY>VI>That's because you experience the most intense sexual pleasure when yo VI>LY>VI>are both literally and figuratively making love. VI>LY>I know. I think that after someone experiences the synergy of love and VI>LY>lust they could never settle for one without the other again. VI>Why should they? :) Sometimes love doesnt' work out....sometimes love isn't enough to make a relationship last. Date: Sunday, March 30, 1997 8:44am Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 732346 To: Vida Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #732297, Reply to #732188, Reply to #732092, R*) (1 reply) VI>LY>VI>And some person that I can think of get sexually turned on by VI>LY>VI>fantasizing that they will get caught! VI>LY>Yeah! VI>LY>Like me! heheheee VI>LY>A year or so ago we made love outdoors, right at the end of a path to a VI>LY>pond. But, it was in the middle of nowhere at the end of a 3 mile hike. VI>LY>About two seconds after we got dressed, two mountain bikers emerged - I VI>LY>always did wonder what they'd seen. hehheee VI>Wondered or hoped? :) You know me too well! Both, of course. Date: Sunday, March 30, 1997 8:46am Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 732347 To: Vida Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #732298, Reply to #732189, Reply to #732097, R*) (1 reply) VI>LY>If you love Bob and he'd like it if you were with a female, couldn't you VI>LY>be with a female while still loving Bob? VI>I don't think so. VI>First of all, I can't see how it is possible to have that synergy of VI>love and lust which we were discussing earlier in a threesome. VI>Secondly, my sexuality is very much more lesbian than heterosexual. So VI>I am really afraid that if I touched a female's body that I would want VI>to form a primary relationship with the female. Which would, by VI>necessity, require me to break up with Bob. Hmmmmm. See, there IS a problem then. It would be possible to have that thresome for recreational sex which would be fun and safe, but not amazing. If you got that synergy between two, but not between three, the danger might be there of the primary relationship changing. But only IF the primary two didn't have a solid relationship. And, IF that solid relationship wasn't strong enough to allow sharing. I never have thought that three is a good number....two two's are so much better. Date: Sunday, March 30, 1997 8:46am Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 732348 To: Vida Re: Playing with DrPax (Reply to #732299, Reply to #732190, Reply to #732103, R*) (2 replies) VI>LY>VI>LY>Why, of course! Isn't that why you love me? VI>LY>VI>It's ONE of the reasons! :) VI>LY>Uh oh! VI>LY>What are the other ones? VI>There are so many! Mainly it is because you are a good friend. Also VI>I love you because you are smart and because you are cute. :) (sigh!) Okay, I know I'm stuck with cute, but I'd sure like to be gorgeous and sexy! hehehehe Date: Sunday, March 30, 1997 8:49am Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 732349 To: Vida Re: Sex with more than one (Reply to #732300, Reply to #732191, Reply to #732110, R*) (1 reply) VI>LY>I usually focus on one person, but not necessarily one act. VI>LY>Actually, I don't think at all when I'm making love - can't - my mind VI>LY>just turns into raw feeling. VI>So if you usually focus on one person isn't it distracting if you are VI>having sex with more than one? I am pretty sure that it would be VI>distracting for me. Having sex and making love aren't necessarily the same things...but both can be fun. Sometimes being distracted can be fun - wouldn't you like to be distracted by a beautiful woman and Bob? VI>LY>Yeah - I agree. And, for exactly the same reason. I only like to give VI>LY>or receive, not both at the same time usually. VI>But MEN on the other hand seem to get really turned on when they do VI>both. :) Maybe because the focus is on their brain? (I'd better start ducking from ALL of them!) Date: Sunday, March 30, 1997 8:49am Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 732350 To: Vida Re: Sex with more than one (Reply to #732302, Reply to #732193, Reply to #732115, R*) (1 reply) VI>LY>VI>LY>You want to have a threesome with you and a woman and Stanley? VI>LY>VI>No silly! He wants to try to convince Stanley to have a threesome wit VI>LY>VI>another male! :) VI>LY>Are you sure? I seem to remember Steve Flur flirting with Lady Oh, not VI>LY>so long ago....heheheee VI>He seemed pretty clear about his intent. Remember he accused you of VI>being heterosexist for even thinking that he might want a threesome VI>with a woman. Yeah, but that was after! Is it homosexist to assume it was three men he was talking about? ROFL! Date: Sunday, March 30, 1997 8:52am Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 732351 To: Synne Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #732311, Reply to #732189, Reply to #732097, R*) (2 replies) SY>And be sure that no feelings of jealousy would arise? And that another SY>countless things wouldn't fuck up their relationship? SY>I dont know if those are the things Vida meant.. but I've thought about SY>it so many times.. and everytime I thought about it, I didn't see any SY>possible way for things not to get fucked up. Oh, but it is possible. Maybe easier with two two's than with a threesome, though. I think there's a balance there that's not present with three. When a couple has a really strong love, nothing is going to break that bond. And, there can't and won't be any jealousy. Jealousy doesn't exist when you're 100% sure that your love is absolute. Once people have reached that place, anything they do together only enhances the love they have together. I was chatting with a guy who's married to two women - I guess that once you realize you can love more than one your ideas on marriage have to change. Date: Sunday, March 30, 1997 8:55am Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 732352 To: Synne Re: What does love have to do with sexual pleasure (Reply to #732312, Reply to #732197, Reply to #732165, R*) (1 reply) SY>Sex with someone you love can be totally mind blowing... let alone SY>"interesting" :-) My point is that its different... and I'm not sure it SY>can really be compared... SY>Every kiss is different and has different feelings physical> attached to it depending on what else is going on... experience> SY>I have had amazing lustful, violent, passionate, romantic, etc etc etc SY>sex with people I loved very much... and each have been amazing... but I SY>dont think I could ever have "dont give a fuck" sex with someone I SY>love... cause I DO give a fuck... SY>and I think I'll miss that... but I wouldn't be willing to trade Rob in SY>for a lifetime of amazing dont give a fuck sex! :-) Hmmmmm. I think I know now what you mean - don't give a fuck about the person. I was thinking of "don't give a fuck" as just totally letting go, no inhibitions, anything goes. That you can do with someone you love - making love doesn't always have to be soft and gentle and romantic. It's funny how every time kissing or making love is different - impossible to know how it will be. Could be fast, sleepy love or long, romantic, candlelight and music or hard, fast fucking. Or, of course, all of the above! Date: Sunday, March 30, 1997 8:56am Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 732353 To: Synne Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #732313, Reply to #732198, Reply to #732166, R*) (1 reply) SY>I CAN MAKE AN EXCEPTION!!!! SY>Only for you! You might not have to....now that my hair is long it gets curly when the weather is humid like yesterday! Date: Sunday, March 30, 1997 8:56am Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 732354 To: Synne Re: Massage lotion (Reply to #732314, Reply to #732199, Reply to #732167, R*) (1 reply) SY>hahahahaha YUM! I told you my friend went out and got me some after I SY>got home from ur place... she was like "here, shut up already!" :-) Well, if we run out of Victoria's Secret massage lotion, we have about a half dozen other kinds of lotion and oil to chose from. Date: Sunday, March 30, 1997 8:57am Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 732355 To: Synne Re: Ly buttered up (Reply to #732315, Reply to #732200, Reply to #732168, R*) SY>Who's be slippery? after a few mins... all of us!!! SY> You think it would take THAT long? Date: Sunday, March 30, 1997 8:57am Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 732356 To: Synne Re: The Goddess Of Lust (Reply to #732318, Reply to #732203, Reply to #732171, R*) (1 reply) SY>I have three way calling! :-) Okay - we'll gang up on him! Hehehee Date: Sunday, March 30, 1997 8:59am Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 732357 To: Vida Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #732336, Reply to #732311, Reply to #732189, R*) (2 replies) VI>SY>And be sure that no feelings of jealousy would arise? And that another VI>SY>countless things wouldn't fuck up their relationship? VI>SY>I dont know if those are the things Vida meant.. but I've thought about VI>SY>it so many times.. and everytime I thought about it, I didn't see any VI>SY>possible way for things not to get fucked up. VI>SY>unfortunately... VI>That's EXACTLY how I feel! VI>I don't see how it is possible to get involved in a nonexclusive sexual VI>relationship WITHOUT someone getting jealous somewhere along the way. Jealousy is related to insecurity. If you're totally secure that your significant other IS yours, you can then share that love without worrying that it will diminish. Date: Monday, January 13, 1997 7:29am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 732372 To: ** ALL ** Re: Holiday Recipe (Copy by Lythande, Copy by Lythande) (1 reply) I know it's a couple of weeks late, but I was looking through my heaps of paper and found this holiday recipe that my boss from my former job at the New York Hospital Erectile Dysfunction Unit thought up... It's cute, here goes - Recipe For the Holidays BANANA BREAD Ingredients: 2 laughing eyes 2 loving arms 2 well-shaped legs 2 firm milk containers 1 fur-lined mixing bowl 1 banana Mixing instructions: 1. Look into laughing eyes 2. Spread well-shaped legs 3. Squeeze and massage milk containers gently until fur-lined mixing bowl is well greased 4. Add banana and work in and out until well creamed 5. Cover with nuts and sigh with relief Note: Bread is done when banana is soft Be sure to wash mixing utensils and do not lick the bowl. Date: Sunday, March 30, 1997 5:32pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 732411 To: Lythande Re: What does love have to do with sexual pleasure? (Reply to #732345, Reply to #732296, Reply to #732187, R*) (1 reply) LY>VI>LY>VI>LY>VI>DO> What does love have to do with sexual pleasure? ;) LY>VI>LY>VI>LY>VI>DO>--- LY>VI>LY>VI>LY>VI>In theory, nothing. I practice, everything in the world. :) LY>VI>LY>VI>LY>I agree with you - it has EVERYTHING to do with it! LY>VI>LY>VI>That's because you experience the most intense sexual pleasure when LY>VI>LY>VI>are both literally and figuratively making love. LY>VI>LY>I know. I think that after someone experiences the synergy of love an LY>VI>LY>lust they could never settle for one without the other again. LY>VI>Why should they? :) LY>Sometimes love doesnt' work out....sometimes love isn't enough to make a LY>relationship last. Yes, that has happened to me, unfortunately. :( Date: Sunday, March 30, 1997 5:32pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 732412 To: Lythande Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #732346, Reply to #732297, Reply to #732188, R*) (1 reply) LY>VI>LY>VI>And some person that I can think of get sexually turned on by LY>VI>LY>VI>fantasizing that they will get caught! LY>VI>LY>Yeah! LY>VI>LY>Like me! heheheee LY>VI>LY>A year or so ago we made love outdoors, right at the end of a path to LY>VI>LY>pond. But, it was in the middle of nowhere at the end of a 3 mile hik LY>VI>LY>About two seconds after we got dressed, two mountain bikers emerged - LY>VI>LY>always did wonder what they'd seen. hehheee LY>VI>Wondered or hoped? :) LY>You know me too well! Both, of course. That's kinda what I thought. :) Date: Sunday, March 30, 1997 5:34pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 732413 To: Lythande Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #732347, Reply to #732298, Reply to #732189, R*) (2 replies) LY>VI>LY>If you love Bob and he'd like it if you were with a female, couldn't y LY>VI>LY>be with a female while still loving Bob? LY>VI>I don't think so. LY>VI>First of all, I can't see how it is possible to have that synergy of LY>VI>love and lust which we were discussing earlier in a threesome. LY>VI>Secondly, my sexuality is very much more lesbian than heterosexual. So LY>VI>I am really afraid that if I touched a female's body that I would want LY>VI>to form a primary relationship with the female. Which would, by LY>VI>necessity, require me to break up with Bob. LY>Hmmmmm. See, there IS a problem then. It would be possible to have LY>that thresome for recreational sex which would be fun and safe, but not LY>amazing. LY>If you got that synergy between two, but not between three, the danger LY>might be there of the primary relationship changing. But only IF the LY>primary two didn't have a solid relationship. And, IF that solid LY>relationship wasn't strong enough to allow sharing. LY>I never have thought that three is a good number....two two's are so LY>much better. That too me would be even MORE distracting than a threesome!!! I can't imagine being able to focus at all with a foursome. Date: Sunday, March 30, 1997 5:35pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 732414 To: Lythande Re: Playing with DrPax (Reply to #732348, Reply to #732299, Reply to #732190, R*) (1 reply) LY>VI>LY>VI>LY>Why, of course! Isn't that why you love me? LY>VI>LY>VI>It's ONE of the reasons! :) LY>VI>LY>Uh oh! LY>VI>LY>What are the other ones? LY>VI>There are so many! Mainly it is because you are a good friend. Also LY>VI>I love you because you are smart and because you are cute. :) LY>(sigh!) LY>Okay, I know I'm stuck with cute, but I'd sure like to be gorgeous and LY>sexy! hehehehe Well I think you're gorgeous and sexy too! :) Date: Sunday, March 30, 1997 5:36pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 732415 To: Lythande Re: Sex with more than one (Reply to #732349, Reply to #732300, Reply to #732191, R*) (2 replies) LY>VI>LY>I usually focus on one person, but not necessarily one act. LY>VI>LY>Actually, I don't think at all when I'm making love - can't - my mind LY>VI>LY>just turns into raw feeling. LY>VI>So if you usually focus on one person isn't it distracting if you are LY>VI>having sex with more than one? I am pretty sure that it would be LY>VI>distracting for me. LY>Having sex and making love aren't necessarily the same things...but both LY>can be fun. LY>Sometimes being distracted can be fun - wouldn't you like to be LY>distracted by a beautiful woman and Bob? Actually if I was with a beautiful woman I would probably want to have her for myself! :) LY>VI>LY>Yeah - I agree. And, for exactly the same reason. I only like to giv LY>VI>LY>or receive, not both at the same time usually. LY>VI>But MEN on the other hand seem to get really turned on when they do LY>VI>both. :) LY>Maybe because the focus is on their brain? (I'd better start ducking LY>from ALL of them!) No, because their focus is on their pricks! Date: Sunday, March 30, 1997 5:37pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 732416 To: Lythande Re: Sex with more than one (Reply to #732350, Reply to #732302, Reply to #732193, R*) LY>VI>LY>VI>LY>You want to have a threesome with you and a woman and Stanley? LY>VI>LY>VI>No silly! He wants to try to convince Stanley to have a threesome LY>VI>LY>VI>another male! :) LY>VI>LY>Are you sure? I seem to remember Steve Flur flirting with Lady Oh, no LY>VI>LY>so long ago....heheheee LY>VI>He seemed pretty clear about his intent. Remember he accused you of LY>VI>being heterosexist for even thinking that he might want a threesome LY>VI>with a woman. LY>Yeah, but that was after! Is it homosexist to assume it was three men LY>he was talking about? ROFL! Since Steve has been so clearly gay in his orientation for as long as I have been on the board it seemed natural to me that he was talking about having a threesome with another male and Stanley. Date: Sunday, March 30, 1997 5:39pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 732417 To: Lythande Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #732357, Reply to #732336, Reply to #732311, R*) (1 reply) LY>VI>SY>And be sure that no feelings of jealousy would arise? And that anothe LY>VI>SY>countless things wouldn't fuck up their relationship? LY>VI>SY>I dont know if those are the things Vida meant.. but I've thought abou LY>VI>SY>it so many times.. and everytime I thought about it, I didn't see any LY>VI>SY>possible way for things not to get fucked up. LY>VI>SY>unfortunately... LY>VI>That's EXACTLY how I feel! LY>VI>I don't see how it is possible to get involved in a nonexclusive sexual LY>VI>relationship WITHOUT someone getting jealous somewhere along the way. LY>Jealousy is related to insecurity. If you're totally secure that your LY>significant other IS yours, you can then share that love without LY>worrying that it will diminish. Well then I could NEVER share that love...I am much too insecure in my core! Date: Sunday, March 30, 1997 11:56pm Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 732428 To: Vida Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #732336, Reply to #732311, Reply to #732189, R*) (2 replies) I've thought about it idealistically... the third person would understand and accept that me and my b/f had a relationship, and that person would only be an extension of it... and want nothing more than to be with us when we wanted.. blah blah.. yeah, right. Either I'd want to be with her alone and the guy would be hurt, or they would want to be with each other and I'd be hurt, or two of us would end up paying more attention to each other and the third would get worried... there are too many ways for that to get fucked up.. and as much as I fantasize about it, I don't think its worth the risk. Wow. I said it. There was a time when I was fighting with guys I was dating about this... it was like "You just have to understand that this is part of my life and being with a female is different from being with a male..." Maybe... but they were right. Its too difficult to work it all out. Date: Sunday, March 30, 1997 11:56pm Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 732429 To: Lythande Re: Ly buttered up (Reply to #732337, Reply to #732245, Reply to #732168, R*) muahahahha Date: Monday, March 31, 1997 12:00am Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 732430 To: Lythande Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #732351, Reply to #732311, Reply to #732189, R*) (1 reply) Well, I'm not sure it would be possible for me. I have an extraordinary imagination... and as much I love Rob, I would be jealous... or he would be... or something. Thats great if you feel that secure. Would be nice if everyone did... Date: Monday, March 31, 1997 12:05am Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 732431 To: Lythande Re: What does love have to do with sexual pleasure (Reply to #732352, Reply to #732312, Reply to #732197, R*) (2 replies) No inhibitions sex can be had with someone you love -- of course! :-) I meant.. dont give a fuck if you hurt them (emotionally.. or physically.. eh hem)... just dont give a fuck... I have trouble describing it... its just kind of a "feeling"... Kind of like you're a different person, and they don't know you, you don't know them, and tomorrow no part of this will matter... (as long as ur careful, anyway..) With someone you love, there is always a tomorrow.. It is funny... and you don't always know how its going to end up when you start.. I have lit a zillion candles, laid out blankets on the floor, picked the "right" music.. totally set a mood... and then it turns into something entirely different... Ever have sex when the two of you just cant stop laughing no matter what you do? That pisses me off :-) Date: Monday, March 31, 1997 12:06am Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 732432 To: Lythande Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #732353, Reply to #732313, Reply to #732198, R*) (1 reply) I'll keep an eye on the humidity... maybe next time I see you it'll be a real humid day... hot... and.... sticky... Date: Monday, March 31, 1997 12:07am Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 732433 To: Lythande Re: Massage lotion (Reply to #732354, Reply to #732314, Reply to #732199, R*) (1 reply) I love being massaged with oil or lotion... only problem is, it sometimes makes me relaxed and sleepy when its intended to make me hot :-I Date: Monday, March 31, 1997 12:08am Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 732434 To: Lythande Re: The Goddess Of Lust (Reply to #732356, Reply to #732318, Reply to #732203, R*) (1 reply) Poor kid, he wouldn't even know what hit him! hahahah Date: Monday, March 31, 1997 12:09am Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 732435 To: Tempest Re: Holiday Recipe (Reply to #732372, Copy by Lythande, Copy by Lythande) (1 reply) HAHAHAH!!! I love that!!! Date: Monday, March 31, 1997 7:02am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 732437 To: Synne Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #732428, Reply to #732336, Reply to #732311, R*) (1 reply) SY>I've thought about it idealistically... the third person would SY>understand and accept that me and my b/f had a relationship, and that SY>person would only be an extension of it... and want nothing more than to SY>be with us when we wanted.. blah blah.. yeah, right. But is that fair to the third person? Could you imagine yourself being the third person and being that understanding??? I never I would never settle for just being an accessory to a relationship from which I was excluded! SY>Either I'd want to be with her alone and the guy would be hurt, or they SY>would want to be with each other and I'd be hurt, or two of us would end SY>up paying more attention to each other and the third would get SY>worried... Absolutely! I think that's the way the dynamic would work out. Of course, Deb has been suggesting that a foursome (two comitted couples playing together) might be less problematic than a threesome in terms of jealousies, etc. I suppose this might be possible. But sex with more than one man diffently doesn't interest me! SY>there are too many ways for that to get fucked up.. and as much as I SY>fantasize about it, I don't think its worth the risk. It's not worth the risk for me either. SY>Wow. I said it. There was a time when I was fighting with guys I was SY>dating about this... it was like "You just have to understand that this SY>is part of my life and being with a female is different from being with SY>a male..." Maybe... but they were right. Its too difficult to work it SY>all out. I think as long as you are clear about your commitment to monogamy that the guy shouldn't feel threatened. As far as I am concerned, as long as you are alive you are going to feel sexual attraction to many different people. If you stop feeling attracted to a cute gal or guy (depending on your orientation) than you are in big time trouble!!! Thank goodness I never had to fight with Bob about my attraction to females. Bob knew when he became involved with him that I was a lesbian. I was in the process of breaking up with a woman when we met. Additionally, I hadn't slept with a man for something like 15 years so I was very sexually ackward with him at first. My sexual attraction to women is not an issue in our relationship. In fact, one of our favorite activities is to hang out on the Brooklyn Heights Promenade and watch the girls go by. He will even point out the women that he thinks attract me. (He's usually right!) Date: Monday, March 31, 1997 3:17pm Forum: Xrated From: Steve Flur Msg#: 732470 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #732154, Reply to #732127, Reply to #732002, R*) (1 reply) Based upon worldwide rates of HIV transmission anal and vaginal intercourse are statistically equal. Date: Monday, March 31, 1997 8:49pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 732494 To: Steve Flur Re: Strap on's (Reply to #732470, Reply to #732154, Reply to #732127, R*) (1 reply) SF>Based upon worldwide rates of HIV transmission anal and vaginal SF>intercourse are statistically equal. First of all, I am not at all sure that this is true. Where do you get your information that the number of people that practice anal and vaginal sex are statisically equal? Secondly, if it is true, then what is the sequence of this finding? How does this fact prove or disprove that anal sex is more, less or equivalent risk to vaginal sex? Shouldn't you be decided the relative risk of behavior according to risk factors? And given the fact that anatomically the annus was designed to expel matter, not to take in matter, doesn't this logically mean that anal sex would carry an additional risk to vaginal sex? Especially since the vagina was designed to both expel and take in matter! Date: Monday, March 31, 1997 8:57pm Forum: Xrated From: Nightbird Msg#: 732503 To: Lythande Re: Nightbird (Reply to #732030, Reply to #732024, Reply to #731887, R*) LY>NI>LY>NI>LY>NI>Steve uses his computer at work to log-on & I use the compute LY>NI>LY>NI>LY>Oh - that's why! I thought maybe he was being a typical male an LY>NI>LY>NI>LY>wouldn't let you play with HIS toy! heheheee LY>NI>LY>NI>and which "toy" are we talking about? :) LY>NI>LY>What kind of toys does Steve have anyway??? LY>NI>You're married, you know what I'm talking about! :) LY>Oh, I can think of one or two..... Thank you, I knew you could! --- þ OLX 2.1 TD þ If this were an actual tagline, it would be funny. Date: Monday, March 31, 1997 8:58pm Forum: Xrated From: Nightbird Msg#: 732511 To: Lythande Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #732028, Reply to #732022, Reply to #731869, R*) LY>NI>Sex in Hot tubs in SOO cool!! LY>Ummmmm. Actually, I'd say sex in hot tubs is very HOT! True, very true! LY>NI>What I was saying was that before Steve & I got married, we used to fool LY>NI>around when we had the chance(as long as we didn't get caught) LY>Yeah, but now that you're married you should fool around outside just LY>'cause it's fun even if you have a nice, comfy bed! Steve, let's go the park! --- þ OLX 2.1 TD þ Proofread carefully to see if you any words out. Date: Monday, March 31, 1997 8:58pm Forum: Xrated From: Nightbird Msg#: 732512 To: Lythande Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #732029, Reply to #732023, Reply to #731872, R*) LY>NI>LY>Oh, the beach at night is great! hehehehe LY>NI>Well, hopefully when it gets warming I'll try out the beach(for fun that LY>The problem is finding a beach that's private! True, someday! --- þ OLX 2.1 TD þ Mental Floss prevents Moral Decay. Date: Monday, March 31, 1997 8:58pm Forum: Xrated From: Nightbird Msg#: 732513 To: Lythande Re: Well don't wake up the neighbors! (Reply to #732085, Reply to #732047, Fw by Lythande, Rep*) (3 replies) LY>NI>TE>A>TE>FA>a-loud indeed! :) LY>NI>TE>FA>TE>Hehheheheh! Very loud :> LY>NI>TE>FA>well dont wake the neighbors! LY>NI>TE>Why not? Not my fault they don't know how to have fun :) LY>NI>Please, I'm suprised my neighbors haven't complanted about Steve & I! LY>I know what you mean - luckily our neighbors are empty lots, a church LY>and a nursing home. It's good to know I'm not the only screamer on this board --- þ OLX 2.1 TD þ All wiyht. Rho sritched mg kegtops awound? Date: Monday, March 31, 1997 8:59pm Forum: Xrated From: Nightbird Msg#: 732514 To: Lythande Re: shaving (Reply to #732086, Reply to #732048, Copy by Lythande, R*) (2 replies) LY>NI>I do sometimes shave my pubic area because I enjoy the extra feeling! LY>Do you really?? LY>Whenever I get talked into it, it takes me a while to get used to! Sometimes I live to try something different --- þ OLX 2.1 TD þ Back Up My Hard Drive? I Can't Find The Reverse Switch! Date: Monday, March 31, 1997 8:59pm Forum: Xrated From: Nightbird Msg#: 732520 To: Vida Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #732092, Reply to #731868, Reply to #724704, C*) VI>LY>VI>SC>VI>I'm not married, but I sill indulge in indoor recreation activit VI>LY>VI>SC>Outdoor "recreation activities" can be pretty interesting also :) VI>LY>VI>As long as you don't get caught. :) VI>LY>Ack! VI>LY>But, wondering if you'll be caught every second is exactly what's so VI>LY>much fun about outdoor activities! VI>And some person that I can think of get sexually turned on by VI>fantasizing that they will get caught! That's true! --- þ OLX 2.1 TD þ No, Woody: I said *tuck* the kids in bed.-Mia Farrow Date: Monday, March 31, 1997 9:10pm Forum: Xrated From: Don Msg#: 732533 To: Lythande Re: Can't enjoy sex (Reply to #732342, Reply to #732284, Reply to #732186, R*) (1 reply) ³LL> female enjoying it is possible. Nor, do they care, I have a feeling ³ ³LL> that sort of man is the type who buys blow up dolls or goes to hookers.³ ³LL> ³ ÔÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ; You caught me... --- þ MegaMail 2.10 #0:Do radioactive cats have 18 half-lives? Date: Monday, March 31, 1997 9:10pm Forum: Xrated From: Don Msg#: 732534 To: Vida Re: Sex with more than one (Reply to #732305, Reply to #732286, Reply to #732110, R*) ³VV> With any luck you just get lost in the act. :) ³ ÔÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ; Mmmm-hmmmmmm! --- þ MegaMail 2.10 #0:Don't drink and park...accidents cause people! Date: Monday, March 31, 1997 9:10pm Forum: Xrated From: Don Msg#: 732535 To: Synne Re: Sex with more than one (Reply to #732320, Reply to #732286, Reply to #732110, R*) ³SS> That actually works real well for me... when my mind is on making ³ ³SS> someone else feel good, my body is on its own and does whatever it ³ ³SS> wants... usually I'm so busy doing what I'm doing that when I start ³ ³SS> feeling good, its almost like a surprise... ³ ³SS> ³ ³SS> ³ ÔÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ; I love that! --- þ MegaMail 2.10 #0:Don't make a baby if you can't be a parent! Date: Monday, March 31, 1997 9:10pm Forum: Xrated From: Don Msg#: 732536 To: Lythande Re: Strap on's (Reply to #732341, Reply to #732258, Reply to #732002, R*) (1 reply) ³LL> Then why special interest groups like Gay Men's Health Crisis? ³ ÔÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ; GMHC was formed when HIV was primarily a Gay disease. I'm not sure of the current demographics of the folks that they now serve, but the name of the organization is a misnomer (sp?), as they now serve (or actually have been serving for a while) women, substance abusers, etc. --- þ MegaMail 2.10 #0:Don't steal. The government hates competition. Date: Monday, March 31, 1997 9:10pm Forum: Xrated From: Don Msg#: 732537 To: Vida Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #732413, Reply to #732347, Reply to #732298, R*) (3 replies) ³VV> That too me would be even MORE distracting than a threesome!!! I can't³ ³VV> imagine being able to focus at all with a foursome. ³ ÔÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ; I don't know, two two's sound exciting...but the couples don't have to play with each other, rather concentrate on their partners but every now and again, gaze over and see what's happenen over der.... --- þ MegaMail 2.10 #0:Don't take life too seriously; it's not permanen Date: Monday, March 31, 1997 9:10pm Forum: Xrated From: Don Msg#: 732538 To: Lythande Re: When your brain is in someone's mouth (Reply to #732344, Reply to #732286, Reply to #732110, R*) ³LL> DO> Same here...besides...it's hard to think and focus when your ³ ³LL> DO> brain is in someone's mouth. ;) ³ ³LL> ³ ³LL> Ahah! ³ ³LL> ³ ³LL> You admit it! ³ ÔÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ; Shhhhhh! It's our secret. ;) --- þ MegaMail 2.10 #0:Eat healthy, excercise, and die anyway. Date: Monday, March 31, 1997 9:34pm Forum: Xrated From: Don Msg#: 732544 To: Lythande Re: One uniquely designed female sex organ (Reply to #732343, Reply to #732285, Reply to #732194, R*) (1 reply) ³LL> Hey yourself! ³ ³LL> ³ ³LL> I said some men have more than one brain! ³ ÔÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ; I know...just yanking your... --- þ MegaMail 2.10 #0:Evangelists do more than lay people. Date: Monday, March 31, 1997 9:34pm Forum: Xrated From: Don Msg#: 732545 To: Vida Re: Sex with more than one (Reply to #732415, Reply to #732349, Reply to #732300, R*) (1 reply) ³VV> LY>VI>But MEN on the other hand seem to get really turned on when they ³ ³VV> LY>VI>both. :) ³ ³VV> ³ ³VV> LY>Maybe because the focus is on their brain? (I'd better start duckin³ ³VV> LY>from ALL of them!) ³ ³VV> ³ ³VV> No, because their focus is on their pricks! ³ ÔÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ; Same thing! (I'm beating her to the punchline) :-) --- þ MegaMail 2.10 #0:FEMINISM.EXE found: Start whine sequence? (Y) (N Date: Monday, March 31, 1997 9:34pm Forum: Xrated From: Don Msg#: 732546 To: Synne Re: Silk dildos (Reply to #732317, Reply to #732202, Reply to #732170, R*) ³SS> ³ ÔÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ; Oooooooooooooooooo --- þ MegaMail 2.10 #0:Hate is NOT a family value! Date: Monday, March 31, 1997 9:34pm Forum: Xrated From: Don Msg#: 732547 To: Nightbird Re: Well don't wake up the neighbors! (Reply to #732513, Reply to #732085, Reply to #732047, F*) (1 reply) ³NN> It's good to know I'm not the only screamer on this board ³ ÔÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ; YYyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeooooooooooowwwww! --- þ MegaMail 2.10 #0:Have a nice day; unless you've made other plans. Date: Monday, March 31, 1997 11:18pm Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 732564 To: Vida Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #732437, Reply to #732428, Reply to #732336, R*) (1 reply) Actually... there was a time in my life when I wouldn't have minded being an "accessory" to a relationship... during that time, physical pleasure and doing whatever felt good at that moment was was interested me most... but now my priorities are a little different. A foursome would make me uncomfortable, I think. Rob is the only guy I'm really sexually attracted to in a realistic way these days... when I'm attracted to someone else, its usually a female. Maybe because I have "the male" and I'm comfortable and happy with him, no other males really do it for me right now... as I think more about it.. I wonder how awkward that is.. thats just like too many people rolling around. The logistics of it.. like who goes where, with whom, and when.. and.. oy. Thats not for me... You're lucky to find such an understanding guy. Me and Rob play those games... but he still gets weirded out when I point out fems that *I* like . Date: Monday, March 31, 1997 11:19pm Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 732565 To: Lythande Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #732029, Reply to #732023, Reply to #731872, R*) (3 replies) I've had sex on beaches that weren't private... Date: Tuesday, April 1, 1997 7:45am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 732578 To: Nightbird Re: shaving (Reply to #732514, Reply to #732086, Reply to #732048, C*) (3 replies) NI>LY>NI>I do sometimes shave my pubic area because I enjoy the extra feeling! NI>LY>Do you really?? NI>LY>Whenever I get talked into it, it takes me a while to get used to! NI>Sometimes I live to try something different How can you stand it when it grows back???!!! Doesn't that irritate the hell out of you???? Date: Tuesday, April 1, 1997 7:48am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 732579 To: Don Re: Strap on's (Reply to #732536, Reply to #732341, Reply to #732258, R*) (1 reply) DO>³LL> Then why special interest groups like Gay Men's Health Crisis? DO>ÔÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ DO> GMHC was formed when HIV was primarily a Gay disease. I'm not DO> sure of the current demographics of the folks that they now DO> serve, but the name of the organization is a misnomer (sp?), as DO> they now serve (or actually have been serving for a while) DO> women, substance abusers, etc. DO>--- I also think that GMHC was formed because of the homophobia of many health care professionals...and because gay community correctly perceived that AIDS was being ignored by society at large BECAUSE it was predominately killing gay men. Date: Tuesday, April 1, 1997 7:50am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 732580 To: Don Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #732537, Reply to #732413, Reply to #732347, R*) DO>³VV> That too me would be even MORE distracting than a threesome!!! I can't DO>³VV> imagine being able to focus at all with a foursome. DO>ÔÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ DO> I don't know, two two's sound exciting...but the couples don't DO> have to play with each other, rather concentrate on their DO> partners but every now and again, gaze over and see what's DO> happenen over der.... DO>--- I don't think I could stand to see a naked female being being sexually active without wanting to have sex with her myself! :) Date: Tuesday, April 1, 1997 7:51am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 732581 To: Don Re: Sex with more than one (Reply to #732545, Reply to #732415, Reply to #732349, R*) DO>³VV> LY>VI>But MEN on the other hand seem to get really turned on when they DO>³VV> LY>VI>both. :) DO>³VV> DO>³VV> LY>Maybe because the focus is on their brain? (I'd better start duckin DO>³VV> LY>from ALL of them!) DO>³VV> DO>³VV> No, because their focus is on their pricks! DO>ÔÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ DO> Same thing! DO> (I'm beating her to the punchline) DO> :-) ROFTL! :) Date: Tuesday, April 1, 1997 7:56am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 732585 To: Synne Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #732564, Reply to #732437, Reply to #732428, R*) (2 replies) SY>Actually... there was a time in my life when I wouldn't have minded SY>being an "accessory" to a relationship... during that time, physical SY>pleasure and doing whatever felt good at that moment was was interested SY>me most... but now my priorities are a little different. Don't see how you were ever able to do it. I would be insanely jealous of the couple, I think. SY>A foursome would make me uncomfortable, I think. Rob is the only guy SY>I'm really sexually attracted to in a realistic way these days... when SY>I'm attracted to someone else, its usually a female. Maybe because I SY>have "the male" and I'm comfortable and happy with him, no other males SY>really do it for me right now... as I think more about it.. I wonder how SY>awkward that is.. thats just like too many people rolling around. The SY>logistics of it.. like who goes where, with whom, and when.. and.. oy. SY>Thats not for me... A foursome wouldn't do it for me either, I don't think. As a general rule, the sight of a male body does nothing for me sexually. I love Bob almost (but not quite) INSPITE of the fact that he is a male. SY>You're lucky to find such an understanding guy. Me and Rob play those SY>games... but he still gets weirded out when I point out fems that *I* SY>like . Well hopefully Rob will get used to do it. How long have you been togehter? Maybe when Rob sees that you are truly commited to him your bisexual nature will become less threatening to him. Bob loves to fantasize about us engaging in a thressome with a woman. It is definitely gist for the mill when we make love! :) Date: Tuesday, April 1, 1997 9:29am Forum: Xrated From: Steve Flur Msg#: 732633 To: Vida Re: Sex with more than one (Reply to #732175, Reply to #732130, Reply to #732115, R*) (1 reply) We do share some common thought processes when it deals with bodily pleasure. Date: Tuesday, April 1, 1997 9:31am Forum: Xrated From: Steve Flur Msg#: 732634 To: Lythande Re: Strap on's (Reply to #732195, Reply to #732126, Reply to #732001, R*) (2 replies) LY>SF>Considering that there are more heterosexual males, I would think that LY>SF>they have more sex of all kinds than gay males. By the way, do you LY>SF>realize that there are cultures, especially in Africa where couples LY>SF>regularly engage in anal intercourse as a means of either preserving the LY>SF>female's "virginity" or as a means of birthcontrol. LY>Steve, I'm asking you a simple question - what percentage of gay males LY>do you think engage in anal sex? Those numbers have changed due to HIV/AIDS. Date: Tuesday, April 1, 1997 9:32am Forum: Xrated From: Steve Flur Msg#: 732635 To: Lythande Re: Sex with more than one (Reply to #732196, Reply to #732128, Reply to #732003, R*) LY>SF>LY>SF>LY>Well, you're open to sex with males or females. Steve seems to LY>SF>LY>SF>LY>to sex with more than one person..... LY>SF>LY>SF>LY>So, you're both more open minded about some things! LY>SF>LY>SF>Now to convince Stanley! LY>SF>LY>??? LY>SF>LY>You want to have a threesome with you and a woman and Stanley? LY>SF>How heterosexist to assume a woman would be involved. LY>ROFL! LY>You're right...but, I was remembering when you and Lady Oh seemed to be LY>talking about corrupting Stanley. That's because of Stanley's sexual history, not mine. Date: Tuesday, April 1, 1997 9:39am Forum: Xrated From: Steve Flur Msg#: 732636 To: Lythande Re: Strap on's (Reply to #732341, Reply to #732258, Reply to #732002, R*) LY>DO> Actually the research is limited as to what is more risky -- LY>DO> vaginal or anal sex; it is mostly speculative. LY>Then why special interest groups like Gay Men's Health Crisis? Because when they were founded they were a group of gay men dealing with a disease that was being seen in gay men, a picture that has drastically changed in the more than a decade since GMHC was founded. Date: Tuesday, April 1, 1997 10:03am Forum: Xrated From: Steve Flur Msg#: 732637 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #732494, Reply to #732470, Reply to #732154, R*) (1 reply) Annal tissue may or may not tear while vaginal tissue has more muccus cells that are greater receptors of materials, so both are considered high risk for HIV transmission. Date: Tuesday, April 1, 1997 7:52pm Forum: Xrated From: Nightbird Msg#: 732667 To: Don Re: Well don't wake up the neighbors! (Reply to #732547, Reply to #732513, Reply to #732085, R*) DO>³NN> It's good to know I'm not the only screamer on this board DO>ÔÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ DO> YYyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeooooooooooowwwww! Whatever!! --- þ OLX 2.1 TD þ Wurlitzer-Xerox merge, to make reproductive organs. Date: Tuesday, April 1, 1997 7:52pm Forum: Xrated From: Nightbird Msg#: 732668 To: Vida Re: shaving (Reply to #732578, Reply to #732514, Reply to #732086, R*) (1 reply) VI>NI>LY>NI>I do sometimes shave my pubic area because I enjoy the extra feelin VI>NI>LY>Do you really?? VI>NI>LY>Whenever I get talked into it, it takes me a while to get used to! VI>NI>Sometimes I live to try something different VI>How can you stand it when it grows back???!!! Doesn't that irritate VI>the hell out of you???? The first few times it did but now it doesn't bother me at all. --- þ OLX 2.1 TD þ I th in k my Har d dis k is Fr agm ent ed ! !! ! Date: Wednesday, April 2, 1997 7:59am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 732706 To: Steve Flur Re: Strap on's (Reply to #732632, Reply to #732155, Reply to #732129, R*) (1 reply) SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>LY>SF>Anal sex is not an any greater risk of tranmission than va SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>LY>SF>since due to a number of factors there can be both blood a SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>LY>SF>fluids present all of whom carry HIV. SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>LY>Where did you get this information, Steve? As I understand i SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>LY>greater risks in anal sex comes from the greater chance of te SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>LY>irritation, creating blood/sperm contact. SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>And the possibility of blood in vaginal fluid. SF>VI>SF>VI>Of course there is possiblity of blood in vaginal fluid. But that SF>VI>SF>VI>generally only happens once a month, while a woman is having her SF>VI>SF>VI>menstrual period. SF>VI>SF>VI>I have the same understanding of the greater risk of anal sex vs. SF>VI>SF>VI>vaginal sex as Deb. But remember Steve, this is not necessarily a SF>VI>SF>VI>homosexual issue. Plenty of straight people engage in anal sex! SF>VI>SF>Then how do you account for women being about 45% of HIV in this count SF>VI>SF>and ever greater worldwide? SF>VI>I think you yourself pointed out the reason for this-- gay people are SF>VI>only 10% of the general population, assuming that you accept the Kinsey SF>VI>figure as accurate. SF>VI>It is my general understanding that for both anal and vaginal SF>VI>intercourse that the person that receives the object is at a greater SF>VI>risk than the preson who inserts the object. So among hetersexuals and SF>VI>bis you are going to see more women seroconverting than men because SF>VI>traditionally women are the sexual recipetents. SF>Outside this country the statistics are about even between men and SF>women, with heterosexual sex the primary sexual mode of transmission. That's because heterosexuals are the majority and vaginal intercourse the most common sexual practice. That hardly proves or disproves whether anal sex carries more risk than vaginal sex. Date: Wednesday, April 2, 1997 8:00am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 732707 To: Steve Flur Re: Sex with more than one (Reply to #732633, Reply to #732175, Reply to #732130, R*) (1 reply) SF>We do share some common thought processes when it deals with bodily SF>pleasure. More like, I can read you well when it comes to how you derive sexual pleasure. :) Date: Wednesday, April 2, 1997 8:02am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 732708 To: Steve Flur Re: Strap on's (Reply to #732634, Reply to #732195, Reply to #732126, R*) (2 replies) SF>LY>SF>Considering that there are more heterosexual males, I would think that SF>LY>SF>they have more sex of all kinds than gay males. By the way, do you SF>LY>SF>realize that there are cultures, especially in Africa where couples SF>LY>SF>regularly engage in anal intercourse as a means of either preserving t SF>LY>SF>female's "virginity" or as a means of birthcontrol. SF>LY>Steve, I'm asking you a simple question - what percentage of gay males SF>LY>do you think engage in anal sex? SF>Those numbers have changed due to HIV/AIDS. So why do you think the incidence of anal sex has decreased in the gay male population due to HIV? Because safe sex education has taught gay men that anal sex carries an additional risk of contracting HIV, that's why!!! Date: Wednesday, April 2, 1997 8:04am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 732709 To: Steve Flur Re: Strap on's (Reply to #732637, Reply to #732494, Reply to #732470, R*) (3 replies) SF>Annal tissue may or may not tear while vaginal tissue has more muccus SF>cells that are greater receptors of materials, so both are considered SF>high risk for HIV transmission. The muccus cells in a vagina act as a natural libracant, making it less likely for annal tissue to tear. That greater likelihood that annal tissue will tear is what increases the risk of annal sex. Date: Wednesday, April 2, 1997 8:06am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 732710 To: Nightbird Re: shaving (Reply to #732668, Reply to #732578, Reply to #732514, R*) (3 replies) NI>VI>NI>LY>NI>I do sometimes shave my pubic area because I enjoy the extra fee NI>VI>NI>LY>Do you really?? NI>VI>NI>LY>Whenever I get talked into it, it takes me a while to get used to! NI>VI>NI>Sometimes I live to try something different NI>VI>How can you stand it when it grows back???!!! Doesn't that irritate NI>VI>the hell out of you???? NI>The first few times it did but now it doesn't bother me at all. NI>--- All I can say is ouch! But heck, I don't shave my underarms or my legs because the stubble drives me crazy when it grows back! :) Date: Wednesday, April 2, 1997 11:15am Forum: Xrated From: Steve Flur Msg#: 732730 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #732706, Reply to #732632, Reply to #732155, R*) (1 reply) VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>LY>SF>Anal sex is not an any greater risk of tranmission than VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>LY>SF>since due to a number of factors there can be both bloo VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>LY>SF>fluids present all of whom carry HIV. VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>LY>Where did you get this information, Steve? As I understan VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>LY>greater risks in anal sex comes from the greater chance of VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>LY>irritation, creating blood/sperm contact. VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>And the possibility of blood in vaginal fluid. VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>Of course there is possiblity of blood in vaginal fluid. But th VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>generally only happens once a month, while a woman is having her VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>menstrual period. VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>I have the same understanding of the greater risk of anal sex vs VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>vaginal sex as Deb. But remember Steve, this is not necessarily VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>homosexual issue. Plenty of straight people engage in anal sex! VI>SF>VI>SF>Then how do you account for women being about 45% of HIV in this co VI>SF>VI>SF>and ever greater worldwide? VI>SF>VI>I think you yourself pointed out the reason for this-- gay people are VI>SF>VI>only 10% of the general population, assuming that you accept the Kinse VI>SF>VI>figure as accurate. VI>SF>VI>It is my general understanding that for both anal and vaginal VI>SF>VI>intercourse that the person that receives the object is at a greater VI>SF>VI>risk than the preson who inserts the object. So among hetersexuals an VI>SF>VI>bis you are going to see more women seroconverting than men because VI>SF>VI>traditionally women are the sexual recipetents. VI>SF>Outside this country the statistics are about even between men and VI>SF>women, with heterosexual sex the primary sexual mode of transmission. VI>That's because heterosexuals are the majority and vaginal intercourse VI>the most common sexual practice. That hardly proves or disproves VI>whether anal sex carries more risk than vaginal sex. I can only go by the results, with women increasingly becomeing HIV+. Date: Wednesday, April 2, 1997 11:15am Forum: Xrated From: Steve Flur Msg#: 732731 To: Vida Re: Sex with more than one (Reply to #732707, Reply to #732633, Reply to #732175, R*) (1 reply) VI>SF>We do share some common thought processes when it deals with bodily VI>SF>pleasure. VI>More like, I can read you well when it comes to how you derive sexual VI>pleasure. :) That too! Date: Wednesday, April 2, 1997 11:17am Forum: Xrated From: Steve Flur Msg#: 732732 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #732708, Reply to #732634, Reply to #732195, R*) (1 reply) VI>SF>LY>SF>Considering that there are more heterosexual males, I would think t VI>SF>LY>SF>they have more sex of all kinds than gay males. By the way, do you VI>SF>LY>SF>realize that there are cultures, especially in Africa where couples VI>SF>LY>SF>regularly engage in anal intercourse as a means of either preservin VI>SF>LY>SF>female's "virginity" or as a means of birthcontrol. VI>SF>LY>Steve, I'm asking you a simple question - what percentage of gay males VI>SF>LY>do you think engage in anal sex? VI>SF>Those numbers have changed due to HIV/AIDS. VI>So why do you think the incidence of anal sex has decreased in the gay VI>male population due to HIV? Because safe sex education has taught gay VI>men that anal sex carries an additional risk of contracting HIV, that's VI>why!!! Since this population does not engage in vaginal sex, there is no corelation. Date: Wednesday, April 2, 1997 11:17am Forum: Xrated From: Steve Flur Msg#: 732733 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #732709, Reply to #732637, Reply to #732494, R*) (1 reply) VI>SF>Annal tissue may or may not tear while vaginal tissue has more muccus VI>SF>cells that are greater receptors of materials, so both are considered VI>SF>high risk for HIV transmission. VI>The muccus cells in a vagina act as a natural libracant, making it less VI>likely for annal tissue to tear. That greater likelihood that annal VI>tissue will tear is what increases the risk of annal sex. Muccus cells also absorb better. Date: Wednesday, April 2, 1997 2:24pm Forum: Xrated From: Anthony Msg#: 732735 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: Speaking of Strap Ons.. (2 replies) Speaking of strap ons, I had an idea which someday can become an invention if not already so. I'm sure many of you know there's a lot of cybersex going on and to enjance it many have used those cyber-cams. Well my idea is wouldn't it be more enhancing if they invented something such as a pump for the men and some kind of a vibrator for the women which somehow gets connected to your computer and responds to words such as "Suck", "Blow", "Tickle", "Lick", etc? I know you're probably laughing but hey, who knows what the Internet has in store for us in the future... Anthony Date: Thursday, April 3, 1997 7:59am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 732763 To: Steve Flur Re: Strap on's (Reply to #732730, Reply to #732706, Reply to #732632, R*) (1 reply) SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>LY>SF>Anal sex is not an any greater risk of tranmission t SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>LY>SF>since due to a number of factors there can be both b SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>LY>SF>fluids present all of whom carry HIV. SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>LY>Where did you get this information, Steve? As I unders SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>LY>greater risks in anal sex comes from the greater chance SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>LY>irritation, creating blood/sperm contact. SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>And the possibility of blood in vaginal fluid. SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>Of course there is possiblity of blood in vaginal fluid. But SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>generally only happens once a month, while a woman is having SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>menstrual period. SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>I have the same understanding of the greater risk of anal sex SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>vaginal sex as Deb. But remember Steve, this is not necessar SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>homosexual issue. Plenty of straight people engage in anal s SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>Then how do you account for women being about 45% of HIV in this SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>and ever greater worldwide? SF>VI>SF>VI>I think you yourself pointed out the reason for this-- gay people a SF>VI>SF>VI>only 10% of the general population, assuming that you accept the Ki SF>VI>SF>VI>figure as accurate. SF>VI>SF>VI>It is my general understanding that for both anal and vaginal SF>VI>SF>VI>intercourse that the person that receives the object is at a greate SF>VI>SF>VI>risk than the preson who inserts the object. So among hetersexuals SF>VI>SF>VI>bis you are going to see more women seroconverting than men because SF>VI>SF>VI>traditionally women are the sexual recipetents. SF>VI>SF>Outside this country the statistics are about even between men and SF>VI>SF>women, with heterosexual sex the primary sexual mode of transmission. SF>VI>That's because heterosexuals are the majority and vaginal intercourse SF>VI>the most common sexual practice. That hardly proves or disproves SF>VI>whether anal sex carries more risk than vaginal sex. SF>I can only go by the results, with women increasingly becomeing HIV+. Yes, and this will require more safe sex education directed to heterosexual and bisexual women. Date: Thursday, April 3, 1997 8:00am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 732764 To: Steve Flur Re: Sex with more than one (Reply to #732731, Reply to #732707, Reply to #732633, R*) (1 reply) SF>VI>SF>We do share some common thought processes when it deals with bodily SF>VI>SF>pleasure. SF>VI>More like, I can read you well when it comes to how you derive sexual SF>VI>pleasure. :) SF>That too! I question how much in common we have in our thought processes when it deals with bodily pleasure. Date: Thursday, April 3, 1997 8:03am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 732765 To: Steve Flur Re: Strap on's (Reply to #732732, Reply to #732708, Reply to #732634, R*) (1 reply) SF>VI>SF>LY>SF>Considering that there are more heterosexual males, I would thin SF>VI>SF>LY>SF>they have more sex of all kinds than gay males. By the way, do y SF>VI>SF>LY>SF>realize that there are cultures, especially in Africa where coup SF>VI>SF>LY>SF>regularly engage in anal intercourse as a means of either preser SF>VI>SF>LY>SF>female's "virginity" or as a means of birthcontrol. SF>VI>SF>LY>Steve, I'm asking you a simple question - what percentage of gay ma SF>VI>SF>LY>do you think engage in anal sex? SF>VI>SF>Those numbers have changed due to HIV/AIDS. SF>VI>So why do you think the incidence of anal sex has decreased in the gay SF>VI>male population due to HIV? Because safe sex education has taught gay SF>VI>men that anal sex carries an additional risk of contracting HIV, that's SF>VI>why!!! SF>Since this population does not engage in vaginal sex, there is no SF>corelation. Are you going to stand here and deny that "safer sex education" classes have taught that anal sex is riskier than vaginal sex? I have attended "safer sex education" classes, I know that's untrue. Date: Thursday, April 3, 1997 8:05am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 732766 To: Steve Flur Re: Strap on's (Reply to #732733, Reply to #732709, Reply to #732637, R*) (2 replies) SF>VI>SF>Annal tissue may or may not tear while vaginal tissue has more muccus SF>VI>SF>cells that are greater receptors of materials, so both are considered SF>VI>SF>high risk for HIV transmission. SF>VI>The muccus cells in a vagina act as a natural libracant, making it less SF>VI>likely for annal tissue to tear. That greater likelihood that annal SF>VI>tissue will tear is what increases the risk of annal sex. SF>Muccus cells also absorb better. Lubrication, lubrication, lubrication is the key. That's why it might very well be possible that for post-menopausal women vaginal sex may be as risky as anal sex. Date: Thursday, April 3, 1997 10:01am Forum: Xrated From: Steve Flur Msg#: 732775 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #732763, Reply to #732730, Reply to #732706, R*) (1 reply) VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>LY>SF>Anal sex is not an any greater risk of tranmissio VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>LY>SF>since due to a number of factors there can be bot VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>LY>SF>fluids present all of whom carry HIV. VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>LY>Where did you get this information, Steve? As I und VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>LY>greater risks in anal sex comes from the greater cha VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>LY>irritation, creating blood/sperm contact. VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>And the possibility of blood in vaginal fluid. VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>Of course there is possiblity of blood in vaginal fluid. VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>generally only happens once a month, while a woman is havi VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>menstrual period. VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>I have the same understanding of the greater risk of anal VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>vaginal sex as Deb. But remember Steve, this is not neces VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>homosexual issue. Plenty of straight people engage in ana VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>Then how do you account for women being about 45% of HIV in t VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>and ever greater worldwide? VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>I think you yourself pointed out the reason for this-- gay peopl VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>only 10% of the general population, assuming that you accept the VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>figure as accurate. VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>It is my general understanding that for both anal and vaginal VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>intercourse that the person that receives the object is at a gre VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>risk than the preson who inserts the object. So among hetersexu VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>bis you are going to see more women seroconverting than men beca VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>traditionally women are the sexual recipetents. VI>SF>VI>SF>Outside this country the statistics are about even between men and VI>SF>VI>SF>women, with heterosexual sex the primary sexual mode of transmissio VI>SF>VI>That's because heterosexuals are the majority and vaginal intercourse VI>SF>VI>the most common sexual practice. That hardly proves or disproves VI>SF>VI>whether anal sex carries more risk than vaginal sex. VI>SF>I can only go by the results, with women increasingly becomeing HIV+. VI>Yes, and this will require more safe sex education directed to VI>heterosexual and bisexual women. As well as EVERYONE else! Date: Thursday, April 3, 1997 10:02am Forum: Xrated From: Steve Flur Msg#: 732776 To: Vida Re: Sex with more than one (Reply to #732764, Reply to #732731, Reply to #732707, R*) (1 reply) VI>SF>VI>SF>We do share some common thought processes when it deals with bodily VI>SF>VI>SF>pleasure. VI>SF>VI>More like, I can read you well when it comes to how you derive sexual VI>SF>VI>pleasure. :) VI>SF>That too! VI>I question how much in common we have in our thought processes when it VI>deals with bodily pleasure. At this point our objects of desire have alot in common. Date: Thursday, April 3, 1997 10:04am Forum: Xrated From: Steve Flur Msg#: 732777 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #732765, Reply to #732732, Reply to #732708, R*) (1 reply) VI>SF>VI>SF>LY>SF>Considering that there are more heterosexual males, I would t VI>SF>VI>SF>LY>SF>they have more sex of all kinds than gay males. By the way, d VI>SF>VI>SF>LY>SF>realize that there are cultures, especially in Africa where c VI>SF>VI>SF>LY>SF>regularly engage in anal intercourse as a means of either pre VI>SF>VI>SF>LY>SF>female's "virginity" or as a means of birthcontrol. VI>SF>VI>SF>LY>Steve, I'm asking you a simple question - what percentage of gay VI>SF>VI>SF>LY>do you think engage in anal sex? VI>SF>VI>SF>Those numbers have changed due to HIV/AIDS. VI>SF>VI>So why do you think the incidence of anal sex has decreased in the gay VI>SF>VI>male population due to HIV? Because safe sex education has taught gay VI>SF>VI>men that anal sex carries an additional risk of contracting HIV, that' VI>SF>VI>why!!! VI>SF>Since this population does not engage in vaginal sex, there is no VI>SF>corelation. VI> VI>Are you going to stand here and deny that "safer sex education" classes VI>have taught that anal sex is riskier than vaginal sex? I have attended VI>"safer sex education" classes, I know that's untrue. When did you take this class? The whole safer sex concept is ever evolving. Date: Thursday, April 3, 1997 10:05am Forum: Xrated From: Steve Flur Msg#: 732778 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #732766, Reply to #732733, Reply to #732709, R*) (1 reply) VI>SF>VI>SF>Annal tissue may or may not tear while vaginal tissue has more mucc VI>SF>VI>SF>cells that are greater receptors of materials, so both are consider VI>SF>VI>SF>high risk for HIV transmission. VI>SF>VI>The muccus cells in a vagina act as a natural libracant, making it les VI>SF>VI>likely for annal tissue to tear. That greater likelihood that annal VI>SF>VI>tissue will tear is what increases the risk of annal sex. VI>SF>Muccus cells also absorb better. VI>Lubrication, lubrication, lubrication is the key. That's why it might VI>very well be possible that for post-menopausal women vaginal sex may be VI>as risky as anal sex. Which explains the increase in HIV transmission in senior citizens. Date: Thursday, April 3, 1997 6:59pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 732791 To: Steve Flur Re: Strap on's (Reply to #732775, Reply to #732763, Reply to #732730, R*) (1 reply) SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>LY>SF>Anal sex is not an any greater risk of tranmis SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>LY>SF>since due to a number of factors there can be SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>LY>SF>fluids present all of whom carry HIV. SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>LY>Where did you get this information, Steve? As I SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>LY>greater risks in anal sex comes from the greater SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>LY>irritation, creating blood/sperm contact. SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>And the possibility of blood in vaginal fluid. SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>Of course there is possiblity of blood in vaginal fluid SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>generally only happens once a month, while a woman is h SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>menstrual period. SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>I have the same understanding of the greater risk of an SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>vaginal sex as Deb. But remember Steve, this is not ne SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>homosexual issue. Plenty of straight people engage in SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>Then how do you account for women being about 45% of HIV i SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>and ever greater worldwide? SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>I think you yourself pointed out the reason for this-- gay pe SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>only 10% of the general population, assuming that you accept SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>figure as accurate. SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>It is my general understanding that for both anal and vaginal SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>intercourse that the person that receives the object is at a SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>risk than the preson who inserts the object. So among heters SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>bis you are going to see more women seroconverting than men b SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>traditionally women are the sexual recipetents. SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>Outside this country the statistics are about even between men a SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>women, with heterosexual sex the primary sexual mode of transmis SF>VI>SF>VI>That's because heterosexuals are the majority and vaginal intercour SF>VI>SF>VI>the most common sexual practice. That hardly proves or disproves SF>VI>SF>VI>whether anal sex carries more risk than vaginal sex. SF>VI>SF>I can only go by the results, with women increasingly becomeing HIV+. SF>VI>Yes, and this will require more safe sex education directed to SF>VI>heterosexual and bisexual women. SF>As well as EVERYONE else! Yes, but the increasing number of WOMEN who are seroconverting requires outreach to WOMEN. Date: Thursday, April 3, 1997 7:00pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 732792 To: Steve Flur Re: Sex with more than one (Reply to #732776, Reply to #732764, Reply to #732731, R*) (1 reply) SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>We do share some common thought processes when it deals with bod SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>pleasure. SF>VI>SF>VI>More like, I can read you well when it comes to how you derive sexu SF>VI>SF>VI>pleasure. :) SF>VI>SF>That too! SF>VI>I question how much in common we have in our thought processes when it SF>VI>deals with bodily pleasure. SF>At this point our objects of desire have alot in common. Depends on your point of view. I still view myself as a lesbian who just happened to fall in love with a man. Date: Thursday, April 3, 1997 7:01pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 732793 To: Steve Flur Re: Strap on's (Reply to #732777, Reply to #732765, Reply to #732732, R*) (1 reply) SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>LY>SF>Considering that there are more heterosexual males, I woul SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>LY>SF>they have more sex of all kinds than gay males. By the way SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>LY>SF>realize that there are cultures, especially in Africa wher SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>LY>SF>regularly engage in anal intercourse as a means of either SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>LY>SF>female's "virginity" or as a means of birthcontrol. SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>LY>Steve, I'm asking you a simple question - what percentage of SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>LY>do you think engage in anal sex? SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>Those numbers have changed due to HIV/AIDS. SF>VI>SF>VI>So why do you think the incidence of anal sex has decreased in the SF>VI>SF>VI>male population due to HIV? Because safe sex education has taught SF>VI>SF>VI>men that anal sex carries an additional risk of contracting HIV, th SF>VI>SF>VI>why!!! SF>VI>SF>Since this population does not engage in vaginal sex, there is no SF>VI>SF>corelation. SF>VI> SF>VI>Are you going to stand here and deny that "safer sex education" classes SF>VI>have taught that anal sex is riskier than vaginal sex? I have attended SF>VI>"safer sex education" classes, I know that's untrue. SF>When did you take this class? The whole safer sex concept is ever SF>evolving. About three years ago. This was a class specifically targeted to lesbian and bisexual women. And we were told point blank that anal sex was riskier behavior than vaginal intercourse. Date: Thursday, April 3, 1997 7:02pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 732794 To: Steve Flur Re: Strap on's (Reply to #732778, Reply to #732766, Reply to #732733, R*) (1 reply) SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>Annal tissue may or may not tear while vaginal tissue has more m SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>cells that are greater receptors of materials, so both are consi SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>high risk for HIV transmission. SF>VI>SF>VI>The muccus cells in a vagina act as a natural libracant, making it SF>VI>SF>VI>likely for annal tissue to tear. That greater likelihood that anna SF>VI>SF>VI>tissue will tear is what increases the risk of annal sex. SF>VI>SF>Muccus cells also absorb better. SF>VI>Lubrication, lubrication, lubrication is the key. That's why it might SF>VI>very well be possible that for post-menopausal women vaginal sex may be SF>VI>as risky as anal sex. SF>Which explains the increase in HIV transmission in senior citizens. Yup. Plus, there has been little safe sex education specifically directed to seniors. Date: Thursday, April 3, 1997 7:57pm Forum: Xrated From: Nightbird Msg#: 732803 To: Vida Re: shaving (Reply to #732710, Reply to #732668, Reply to #732578, R*) (1 reply) VI>NI>VI>NI>LY>NI>I do sometimes shave my pubic area because I enjoy the extra VI>NI>VI>NI>LY>Do you really?? VI>NI>VI>NI>LY>Whenever I get talked into it, it takes me a while to get used t VI>NI>VI>NI>Sometimes I live to try something different VI>NI>VI>How can you stand it when it grows back???!!! Doesn't that irritate VI>NI>VI>the hell out of you???? VI>NI>The first few times it did but now it doesn't bother me at all. VI>NI>--- VI>All I can say is ouch! VI> But heck, I don't shave my underarms or my legs because the stubble VI>drives me crazy when it grows back! :) Actully, I use an eletric trimmer on my underarms & somewhere else! --- þ OLX 2.1 TD þ Ignorance is temporary, stupid is forever! Date: Friday, April 4, 1997 6:54am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 732823 To: Nightbird Re: shaving (Reply to #732803, Reply to #732710, Reply to #732668, R*) (1 reply) NI>VI>NI>VI>NI>LY>NI>I do sometimes shave my pubic area because I enjoy the ext NI>VI>NI>VI>NI>LY>Do you really?? NI>VI>NI>VI>NI>LY>Whenever I get talked into it, it takes me a while to get use NI>VI>NI>VI>NI>Sometimes I live to try something different NI>VI>NI>VI>How can you stand it when it grows back???!!! Doesn't that irritat NI>VI>NI>VI>the hell out of you???? NI>VI>NI>The first few times it did but now it doesn't bother me at all. NI>VI>NI>--- NI>VI>All I can say is ouch! NI>VI> But heck, I don't shave my underarms or my legs because the stubble NI>VI>drives me crazy when it grows back! :) NI>Actully, I use an eletric trimmer on my underarms & somewhere else! NI>--- But you still get stubble, I assume! Date: Friday, April 4, 1997 1:42pm Forum: Xrated From: Steve Flur Msg#: 732846 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #732791, Reply to #732775, Reply to #732763, R*) (1 reply) Most AIDS service organizations have long had special workers and programs targeting women. Date: Friday, April 4, 1997 1:43pm Forum: Xrated From: Steve Flur Msg#: 732847 To: Vida Re: Sex with more than one (Reply to #732792, Reply to #732776, Reply to #732764, R*) (1 reply) VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>We do share some common thought processes when it deals with VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>pleasure. VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>More like, I can read you well when it comes to how you derive s VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>pleasure. :) VI>SF>VI>SF>That too! VI>SF>VI>I question how much in common we have in our thought processes when it VI>SF>VI>deals with bodily pleasure. VI>SF>At this point our objects of desire have alot in common. VI>Depends on your point of view. I still view myself as a lesbian who VI>just happened to fall in love with a man. Your actions, however, are where we agree, at this time. Date: Friday, April 4, 1997 1:44pm Forum: Xrated From: Steve Flur Msg#: 732848 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #732793, Reply to #732777, Reply to #732765, R*) (2 replies) I hate to say it, but that lesson was inaccurate. Date: Friday, April 4, 1997 1:46pm Forum: Xrated From: Steve Flur Msg#: 732849 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #732794, Reply to #732778, Reply to #732766, R*) VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>Annal tissue may or may not tear while vaginal tissue has mor VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>cells that are greater receptors of materials, so both are co VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>high risk for HIV transmission. VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>The muccus cells in a vagina act as a natural libracant, making VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>likely for annal tissue to tear. That greater likelihood that a VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>tissue will tear is what increases the risk of annal sex. VI>SF>VI>SF>Muccus cells also absorb better. VI>SF>VI>Lubrication, lubrication, lubrication is the key. That's why it might VI>SF>VI>very well be possible that for post-menopausal women vaginal sex may b VI>SF>VI>as risky as anal sex. VI>SF>Which explains the increase in HIV transmission in senior citizens. VI>Yup. Plus, there has been little safe sex education specifically VI>directed to seniors. The NY Times, about 2 weeks ago ran a lengthy story about HIV/AIDS and the senior population. Date: Friday, April 4, 1997 2:28pm Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 732850 To: Vida Re: shaving (Reply to #732578, Reply to #732514, Reply to #732086, R*) (2 replies) That has to be one of the world's worst experiences... ...especially when you're in public and itching beyond belief. Date: Friday, April 4, 1997 2:40pm Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 732851 To: Vida Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #732585, Reply to #732564, Reply to #732437, R*) (2 replies) Well... "that" time in my life was wacked. I just wanted experiences... any kind I could get my hands on... and if it was physical, it was even better because it helped me validate myself physically and sexually... I tried to put my emotions aside and live physically only... Me and Rob have "known" each other for about 7 years (we started talking on a BBS, then he stopped calling there and we wrote letters for a few years.. basically just "keeping in touch")... we were both seeing other people and I never really thought of him "that" way and then we finally, after like 4 years started talking on the phone, met face to face sept. 6, 1994, and he proposed to me sept. 16, 1994 :-) and we have been living together for the past almost 2 years... For us there was this instant zap, we fell in love and now I think he's starting to get used to me :-) My bisexual side is more fantasy than it has been reality, and I think sometimes that Rob might wonder if I'll decide one day it needs to be materialized... He's secure that I love him though... He just kind of cocks his brow when I look at females... I think he's too jealous a person to be able to even fantasize about me with someone else... I couldn't fantasize about him with someone else either, it isn't something I'd want to happen... Date: Friday, April 4, 1997 2:45pm Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 732852 To: Anthony Re: Speaking of Strap Ons.. (Reply to #732735) Wow! Do you know how popular you'd be if you got that made??? Probably even less people would leave the house!! Sounds like verrry interesting idea... Date: Saturday, April 5, 1997 8:43am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 732892 To: Steve Flur Re: Strap on's (Reply to #732846, Reply to #732791, Reply to #732775, R*) (1 reply) SF>Most AIDS service organizations have long had special workers and SF>programs targeting women. For good reasons! Date: Saturday, April 5, 1997 8:44am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 732893 To: Steve Flur Re: So you like to have your pussy eaten Steve? (Reply to #732847, Reply to #732792, Reply to #732776, R*) (1 reply) SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>We do share some common thought processes when it deals wi SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>pleasure. SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>More like, I can read you well when it comes to how you deriv SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>pleasure. :) SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>That too! SF>VI>SF>VI>I question how much in common we have in our thought processes when SF>VI>SF>VI>deals with bodily pleasure. SF>VI>SF>At this point our objects of desire have alot in common. SF>VI>Depends on your point of view. I still view myself as a lesbian who SF>VI>just happened to fall in love with a man. SF>Your actions, however, are where we agree, at this time. So you like to have your pussy eaten Steve? Date: Saturday, April 5, 1997 8:44am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 732894 To: Steve Flur Re: Strap on's (Reply to #732848, Reply to #732793, Reply to #732777, R*) (1 reply) SF>I hate to say it, but that lesson was inaccurate. Says you. I don't trust you as being accurate on this point. I think you have an agenda. Date: Saturday, April 5, 1997 8:50am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 732896 To: Synne Re: shaving (Reply to #732850, Reply to #732578, Reply to #732514, R*) (1 reply) SY>That has to be one of the world's worst experiences... SY>...especially when you're in public and itching beyond belief. SY> I can just imagine. One time I became self concious because some of my pubic hair is visible when I wear a bathing suit. So I shaved off just the portion that extended past the "panty line". It drove me plum crazy when the hair grew back. I would never, ever do it again!!! Date: Saturday, April 5, 1997 8:55am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 732897 To: Synne Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #732851, Reply to #732585, Reply to #732564, R*) (2 replies) SY>Well... "that" time in my life was wacked. I just wanted experiences... SY>any kind I could get my hands on... and if it was physical, it was even SY>better because it helped me validate myself physically and sexually... SY>I tried to put my emotions aside and live physically only... caught up with me later... but at the time it was all I wanted, or SY>thought I wanted...> SY>Me and Rob have "known" each other for about 7 years (we started talking SY>on a BBS, then he stopped calling there and we wrote letters for a few SY>years.. basically just "keeping in touch")... we were both seeing other SY>people and I never really thought of him "that" way and then we SY>finally, after like 4 years started talking on the phone, met face to SY>face sept. 6, 1994, and he proposed to me sept. 16, 1994 :-) and we have SY>been living together for the past almost 2 years... you wanted to know? :-> SY>For us there was this instant zap, we fell in love and now I think he's SY>starting to get used to me :-) My bisexual side is more fantasy than it SY>has been reality, and I think sometimes that Rob might wonder if I'll SY>decide one day it needs to be materialized... He's secure that I love SY>him though... He just kind of cocks his brow when I look at females... SY>I think he's too jealous a person to be able to even fantasize about me SY>with someone else... I couldn't fantasize about him with someone else SY>either, it isn't something I'd want to happen... I can understand his jealousy. It's hard for me to tolerate that Bob fantasizes about other women. My intellectual side knows that it is natural and normal for a person in a committed relationship to feel sexual attraction to others. But in my gut, it still drives me crazy. And I also know that Bob, in turn, is very threatened by my primarily lesbian sexual idenity. He has spoken to me of his fear that I will leave him for a woman. The problem is, I can't 100% guarantee him that it would never happen. But then again, I can't 100% guarantee him that I would never leave him for another man, even though I think that is highly, highly unlikely. Date: Saturday, April 5, 1997 10:53pm Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 732923 To: Vida Re: shaving (Reply to #732896, Reply to #732850, Reply to #732578, R*) (1 reply) Ugh. The bathing suit dilemma... I itch most of the summer... when I'm brave enough to put on a bathing suit, that is :-I :-) I'm itchy right now.. dont want to talk about it! Date: Saturday, April 5, 1997 10:56pm Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 732924 To: Vida Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #732897, Reply to #732851, Reply to #732585, R*) (1 reply) Oh man, I hear you. I can NEVER be 100% sure of ANYTHING. I can pledge my undying love for Rob but yet how the fuck am I supposed to know that 5..10..15 yrs from now I wont feel differently?? How can anyone ever know? Divorces wouldn't exist if we could know, I suppose... As for fantasizing... heaven knows I do it... totally harmlessly, and I'm sure Rob does... it perfectly human no matter how much you love someone... but.. GRRR.. I don't like to think about it! :-) Date: Sunday, April 6, 1997 7:49am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 732937 To: Synne Re: shaving (Reply to #732923, Reply to #732896, Reply to #732850, R*) (1 reply) SY>Ugh. The bathing suit dilemma... I itch most of the summer... when I'm SY>brave enough to put on a bathing suit, that is :-I :-) SY>I'm itchy right now.. dont want to talk about it! Well it's no longer a dilemna to me. I just let my hair hang out and if anyone has a problem with it, tough toe nails! :) Date: Sunday, April 6, 1997 7:51am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 732938 To: Synne Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #732924, Reply to #732897, Reply to #732851, R*) (1 reply) SY>Oh man, I hear you. I can NEVER be 100% sure of ANYTHING. I can pledge SY>my undying love for Rob but yet how the fuck am I supposed to know that SY>5..10..15 yrs from now I wont feel differently?? How can anyone ever SY>know? Divorces wouldn't exist if we could know, I suppose... You don't ever know. I have been "married" twice. Both times I thought it was a life long commitment. Both of those relationships broke up. :( SY>As for fantasizing... heaven knows I do it... totally harmlessly, and SY>I'm sure Rob does... it perfectly human no matter how much you love SY>someone... but.. GRRR.. I don't like to think about it! :-) YUP! YUP! YUP! I am guilty on both parts. Both in terms of fantasizing myself and of being jealous of Bob's fantasies! :) Date: Sunday, April 6, 1997 10:22pm Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 732967 To: Vida Re: shaving (Reply to #732937, Reply to #732923, Reply to #732896, R*) (1 reply) U go girlfriend! Date: Sunday, April 6, 1997 10:26pm Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 732968 To: Vida Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #732938, Reply to #732924, Reply to #732897, R*) (1 reply) Its so fucking incredible how you can be so certain of something at one time in your life and then have things totally change. Thats happened to me so many times and I've been knocked off my ass when things changed and I realized I actually had no clue... but... alas... "there is no future... there is no past... no day but today..." Date: Monday, April 7, 1997 6:15am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 732978 To: Synne Re: shaving (Reply to #732967, Reply to #732937, Reply to #732923, R*) SY>U go girlfriend! Taking her bows. :) Date: Monday, April 7, 1997 6:16am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 732979 To: Synne Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #732968, Reply to #732938, Reply to #732924, R*) (1 reply) SY>Its so fucking incredible how you can be so certain of something at one SY>time in your life and then have things totally change. Thats happened SY>to me so many times and I've been knocked off my ass when things changed SY>and I realized I actually had no clue... but... alas... "there is no SY>future... there is no past... no day but today..." I checked out your registry and saw that you are only twenty something. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but things only become more UNCERTAIN as you grow older. :( Date: Monday, April 7, 1997 1:47pm Forum: Xrated From: Steve Flur Msg#: 732992 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #732892, Reply to #732846, Reply to #732791, R*) (2 replies) VI>SF>Most AIDS service organizations have long had special workers and VI>SF>programs targeting women. VI>For good reasons! The problem remains that most women still think its something they don't need about because "its a gay disease". Date: Monday, April 7, 1997 1:48pm Forum: Xrated From: Steve Flur Msg#: 732993 To: Vida Re: So you like to have your pussy eaten Steve? (Reply to #732893, Reply to #732847, Reply to #732792, R*) (1 reply) VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>We do share some common thought processes when it deals VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>pleasure. VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>More like, I can read you well when it comes to how you de VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>pleasure. :) VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>That too! VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>I question how much in common we have in our thought processes w VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>deals with bodily pleasure. VI>SF>VI>SF>At this point our objects of desire have alot in common. VI>SF>VI>Depends on your point of view. I still view myself as a lesbian who VI>SF>VI>just happened to fall in love with a man. VI>SF>Your actions, however, are where we agree, at this time. VI>So you like to have your pussy eaten Steve? That depends on your definition. Date: Monday, April 7, 1997 1:50pm Forum: Xrated From: Steve Flur Msg#: 732994 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #732894, Reply to #732848, Reply to #732793, R*) (1 reply) VI>SF>I hate to say it, but that lesson was inaccurate. VI>Says you. I don't trust you as being accurate on this point. I think VI>you have an agenda. As an AIDS service provider a very simple agenda, in regard to education, deliver clear, comprehensive, accurate information. Date: Monday, April 7, 1997 7:21pm Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 732999 To: Vida Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #732979, Reply to #732968, Reply to #732938, R*) (1 reply) Hahaha so I hear :-) I've braced myself... I'm ready :-I I guess... Date: Tuesday, April 8, 1997 7:03am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 733063 To: Steve Flur Re: Strap on's (Reply to #732992, Reply to #732892, Reply to #732846, R*) (1 reply) SF>VI>SF>Most AIDS service organizations have long had special workers and SF>VI>SF>programs targeting women. SF>VI>For good reasons! SF>The problem remains that most women still think its something they don't SF>need about because "its a gay disease". That's a common mispression among a lot of straight people, male and female. Date: Tuesday, April 8, 1997 7:04am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 733064 To: Steve Flur Re: So you like to have your pussy eaten Steve? (Reply to #732993, Reply to #732893, Reply to #732847, R*) (1 reply) SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>We do share some common thought processes when it de SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>pleasure. SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>More like, I can read you well when it comes to how you SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>pleasure. :) SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>That too! SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>I question how much in common we have in our thought processe SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>deals with bodily pleasure. SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>At this point our objects of desire have alot in common. SF>VI>SF>VI>Depends on your point of view. I still view myself as a lesbian wh SF>VI>SF>VI>just happened to fall in love with a man. SF>VI>SF>Your actions, however, are where we agree, at this time. SF>VI>So you like to have your pussy eaten Steve? SF>That depends on your definition. I define that in purely anatomical terms. And unless I am grossly mistaken, you don't have the necessary bodily organ. Date: Tuesday, April 8, 1997 7:05am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 733065 To: Steve Flur Re: Strap on's (Reply to #732994, Reply to #732894, Reply to #732848, R*) (1 reply) SF>VI>SF>I hate to say it, but that lesson was inaccurate. SF>VI>Says you. I don't trust you as being accurate on this point. I think SF>VI>you have an agenda. SF>As an AIDS service provider a very simple agenda, in regard to SF>education, deliver clear, comprehensive, accurate information. And as a gay rights advocate? And what if the two collide, as I think they might be doing here for you. Date: Tuesday, April 8, 1997 7:06am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 733066 To: Synne Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #732999, Reply to #732979, Reply to #732968, R*) SY>Hahaha so I hear :-) SY>I've braced myself... I'm ready :-I I guess... You might as well be! After all, it sure beats the alternative! :) Date: Wednesday, April 9, 1997 1:01pm Forum: Xrated From: Steve Flur Msg#: 733135 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #733063, Reply to #732992, Reply to #732892, R*) (1 reply) VI>SF>VI>SF>Most AIDS service organizations have long had special workers and VI>SF>VI>SF>programs targeting women. VI>SF>VI>For good reasons! VI>SF>The problem remains that most women still think its something they don't VI>SF>need about because "its a gay disease". VI>That's a common mispression among a lot of straight people, male and VI>female. Something that must be corrected without ignoring all the gay patients. Date: Wednesday, April 9, 1997 1:02pm Forum: Xrated From: Steve Flur Msg#: 733136 To: Vida Re: So you like to have your pussy eaten Steve? (Reply to #733064, Reply to #732993, Reply to #732893, R*) (1 reply) VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>We do share some common thought processes when it VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>pleasure. VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>More like, I can read you well when it comes to how VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>pleasure. :) VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>That too! VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>I question how much in common we have in our thought proce VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>deals with bodily pleasure. VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>At this point our objects of desire have alot in common. VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>Depends on your point of view. I still view myself as a lesbian VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>just happened to fall in love with a man. VI>SF>VI>SF>Your actions, however, are where we agree, at this time. VI>SF>VI>So you like to have your pussy eaten Steve? VI>SF>That depends on your definition. VI>I define that in purely anatomical terms. And unless I am grossly VI>mistaken, you don't have the necessary bodily organ. Not literally, but...... Date: Wednesday, April 9, 1997 1:03pm Forum: Xrated From: Steve Flur Msg#: 733137 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #733065, Reply to #732994, Reply to #732894, R*) (1 reply) VI>SF>VI>SF>I hate to say it, but that lesson was inaccurate. VI>SF>VI>Says you. I don't trust you as being accurate on this point. I think VI>SF>VI>you have an agenda. VI>SF>As an AIDS service provider a very simple agenda, in regard to VI>SF>education, deliver clear, comprehensive, accurate information. VI>And as a gay rights advocate? And what if the two collide, as I think VI>they might be doing here for you. I see no collision when accurate information exists. Date: Thursday, April 10, 1997 7:53am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 733175 To: ** ALL ** Re: Our sexual desires (Copy by Calvin, Reply to #733138, Reply to #733008, Rep*) -------------< COMMENTS BY Calvin >-------------- TO: Steve Flur ----------< END OF COMMENTS BY Calvin >---------- SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>NI>SF>I>SF>NI>Ok, help me please! SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>NI>SF>NI>SF>I keep telling her how much she is missi SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>NI>SF>NI>I know, I know! SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>NI>SF>Between the both of us she may see the truth! SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>NI>We can hope for the best! SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>NI>--- SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>NI> þ OLX 2.1 TD þ This ì™ì tagline has ì™ì a lot of SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>So....start telling "her" what she in missing! SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>No, I suggest you two just leave me alone already! SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>Is this optional? SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>I can't force you to do anything. But your presistence in th SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>annoying to me. SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>I haven't done that in a while. SF>VI>SF>VI>I don't know about that. Parts of what you have said to me in /X-r SF>VI>SF>VI>have also annoyed me. SF>VI>SF>We are allowed to disagree, aren't we? SF>VI>I have no problem with you disagreeing with me. But when you show what SF>VI>I consider to be a lack of respect for me, than that's annoying. SF>Please tell me when I have done this? If I ask you to please stop "nudging me" to watch Bablyon 5 and you continue to do so, that shows lack of respect. Also, I felt that in our discussion in /X-rated you showed lack of respect when you insisted that our sexual desires were the same after I told you that they were not. But we should really continue that part of this discussion in /X-rated. Date: Thursday, April 10, 1997 8:13am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 733179 To: Steve Flur Re: Strap on's (Reply to #733135, Reply to #733063, Reply to #732992, R*) SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>Most AIDS service organizations have long had special workers an SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>programs targeting women. SF>VI>SF>VI>For good reasons! SF>VI>SF>The problem remains that most women still think its something they don SF>VI>SF>need about because "its a gay disease". SF>VI>That's a common mispression among a lot of straight people, male and SF>VI>female. SF>Something that must be corrected without ignoring all the gay patients. That goes without saying! Date: Thursday, April 10, 1997 8:15am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 733180 To: Steve Flur Re: Having my cock sucked (Reply to #733136, Reply to #733064, Reply to #732993, R*) (1 reply) SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>We do share some common thought processes when SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>pleasure. SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>More like, I can read you well when it comes to h SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>pleasure. :) SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>That too! SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>I question how much in common we have in our thought pr SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>deals with bodily pleasure. SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>At this point our objects of desire have alot in common. SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>Depends on your point of view. I still view myself as a lesb SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>just happened to fall in love with a man. SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>Your actions, however, are where we agree, at this time. SF>VI>SF>VI>So you like to have your pussy eaten Steve? SF>VI>SF>That depends on your definition. SF>VI>I define that in purely anatomical terms. And unless I am grossly SF>VI>mistaken, you don't have the necessary bodily organ. SF>Not literally, but...... But??? Whatever you might do sexually is NOT the same thing as having your pussy eaten. Just like nothing I do sexually could ever possibly be the same as having my cock sucked. Date: Thursday, April 10, 1997 8:18am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 733181 To: Steve Flur Re: Strap on's (Reply to #733137, Reply to #733065, Reply to #732994, R*) (1 reply) SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>I hate to say it, but that lesson was inaccurate. SF>VI>SF>VI>Says you. I don't trust you as being accurate on this point. I th SF>VI>SF>VI>you have an agenda. SF>VI>SF>As an AIDS service provider a very simple agenda, in regard to SF>VI>SF>education, deliver clear, comprehensive, accurate information. SF>VI>And as a gay rights advocate? And what if the two collide, as I think SF>VI>they might be doing here for you. SF>I see no collision when accurate information exists. Again, I question the accuracy of your information. When a lesbian sex educator tells me that it is more risky to engage in anal sexual intercourse over vaginal sex intercourse, I believe the lesbian sex educator. Especially when that lesbian sex educator is not so "politically correct" to deny that sometimes lesbians have vaginal sexual with men. Date: Thursday, April 10, 1997 2:23pm Forum: Xrated From: Steve Flur Msg#: 733194 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #733181, Reply to #733137, Reply to #733065, R*) (1 reply) With all due respect, I know nothing about the credentials of that safer sex lecturer so I cannot comment, however, my personal/prfessional AIDS/HIV experience is over 11 years and that experience has taught me that 6 months is too before most previous assumptions are proven wrong, much less 3 years. Date: Saturday, April 12, 1997 8:54am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 733278 To: Steve Flur Re: Strap on's (Reply to #733194, Reply to #733181, Reply to #733137, R*) (2 replies) SF>With all due respect, I know nothing about the credentials of that safer SF>sex lecturer so I cannot comment, however, my personal/prfessional SF>AIDS/HIV experience is over 11 years and that experience has taught me SF>that 6 months is too before most previous assumptions are proven wrong, SF>much less 3 years. Of course, our knowledge is always growing and expanding. It just makes sense to me, from a purely anatomical point of view, that anal sex would be more risky than vaginal sex. As I previously pointed out, the anus was not designed to take in objects, but to expel objects. The vagina, on the other hand, is designed to do both. Date: Saturday, April 12, 1997 10:20am Forum: Xrated From: Nightbird Msg#: 733293 To: Vida Re: shaving (Reply to #732823, Reply to #732803, Reply to #732710, R*) (1 reply) VI>NI>Actully, I use an eletric trimmer on my underarms & somewhere else! VI>But you still get stubble, I assume! Yes, but it doesn't itch me. --- þ OLX 2.1 TD þ #30-3771: See Schedule 9368545-D for Official IRS Motto. Date: Saturday, April 12, 1997 6:01pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 733296 To: Nightbird Re: shaving (Reply to #733293, Reply to #732823, Reply to #732803, R*) (1 reply) NI>VI>NI>Actully, I use an eletric trimmer on my underarms & somewhere else! NI>VI>But you still get stubble, I assume! NI>Yes, but it doesn't itch me. NI>--- Different strokes for different folks, is all I can say. :) Date: Saturday, April 12, 1997 9:19pm Forum: Xrated From: Don Msg#: 733319 To: Synne Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #732565, Reply to #732029, Reply to #732023, R*) (1 reply) ³SS> I've had sex on beaches that weren't private... ³ ÔÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ; Cool! Me too...that's what makes it doubly exciting! --- þ MegaMail 2.10 #0:A closed mouth gathers no feet. Date: Saturday, April 12, 1997 9:19pm Forum: Xrated From: Don Msg#: 733320 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #732579, Reply to #732536, Reply to #732341, R*) (1 reply) ³VV> I also think that GMHC was formed because of the homophobia of many ³ ³VV> health care professionals...and because gay community correctly ³ ³VV> perceived that AIDS was being ignored by society at large BECAUSE it ³ ³VV> was predominately killing gay men. ³ ÔÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ; Exactly... By the way, they have been trying their darndest to try to get "the word out" that they're don't only serve gay me. --- þ MegaMail 2.10 #0:A soldier's a soldier - long as she acts like on Date: Saturday, April 12, 1997 9:19pm Forum: Xrated From: Don Msg#: 733321 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #732709, Reply to #732637, Reply to #732494, R*) (1 reply) ³VV> The muccus cells in a vagina act as a natural libracant, making it less³ ³VV> likely for annal tissue to tear. That greater likelihood that annal ³ ³VV> tissue will tear is what increases the risk of annal sex. ³ ÔÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ; With the mucous cells, the vaginal walls are much more pourous than the anus. And there is less tearing of the anus when as one has anal sex on a regular basis. On the other hand, as you've stated, there's less lubrication of the anus. Women have anal sex too (making it hard to objectively determine how HIV was transmitted), etc. That's what make this debatable. Apples and oranges are being compared. --- þ MegaMail 2.10 #0:AA is like an adjustable wrench; it fits any nut Date: Saturday, April 12, 1997 9:19pm Forum: Xrated From: Don Msg#: 733322 To: Synne Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #732851, Reply to #732585, Reply to #732564, R*) (1 reply) ³SS> Me and Rob have "known" each other for about 7 years (we started talkin³ ³SS> on a BBS, then he stopped calling there and we wrote letters for a few ³ ³SS> years.. basically just "keeping in touch")... we were both seeing other³ ³SS> people and I never really thought of him "that" way and then we³ ³SS> finally, after like 4 years started talking on the phone, met face to ³ ³SS> face sept. 6, 1994, and he proposed to me sept. 16, 1994 :-) and we hav³ ³SS> been living together for the past almost 2 years... you wanted to know? :-> ³ ÔÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ; OOooooo...this gave me goose bumps! I love hearing love stories! --- þ MegaMail 2.10 #0:Agnodyslexic plea: "Why me, dog?" Date: Sunday, April 13, 1997 12:52pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 733362 To: Don Re: Strap on's (Reply to #733320, Reply to #732579, Reply to #732536, R*) (1 reply) DO>³VV> I also think that GMHC was formed because of the homophobia of many DO>³VV> health care professionals...and because gay community correctly DO>³VV> perceived that AIDS was being ignored by society at large BECAUSE it DO>³VV> was predominately killing gay men. DO>ÔÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ DO> Exactly... DO> By the way, they have been trying their darndest to try to get DO> "the word out" that they're don't only serve gay me. DO>--- I think that's pretty clear! They do fantastic work for all! Date: Sunday, April 13, 1997 12:55pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 733363 To: Don Re: Strap on's (Reply to #733321, Reply to #732709, Reply to #732637, R*) (2 replies) DO>³VV> The muccus cells in a vagina act as a natural libracant, making it less DO>³VV> likely for annal tissue to tear. That greater likelihood that annal DO>³VV> tissue will tear is what increases the risk of annal sex. DO>ÔÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ DO> With the mucous cells, the vaginal walls are much more pourous than DO> the anus. And there is less tearing of the anus when as one has DO> anal sex on a regular basis. DO> On the other hand, as you've stated, there's less lubrication of DO> the anus. Women have anal sex too (making it hard to objectively DO> determine how HIV was transmitted), etc. DO> That's what make this debatable. Apples and oranges DO> are being compared. DO>--- Sure! And let me be clear, just because I say I believe that anal sex is more dangerous than vaginal sex doesn't mean I think there is something wrong or repulsive about anal sex. Heck, I do lots of not so safe things sexually! For example, I would never use a dental dam or other barrier for oral sex. I mean, what would be the point? Date: Sunday, April 13, 1997 9:07pm Forum: Xrated From: Don Msg#: 733376 To: Vida Re: shaving (Reply to #732710, Reply to #732668, Reply to #732578, R*) ³VV> But heck, I don't shave my underarms or my legs because the stubble ³ ³VV> drives me crazy when it grows back! :) ³ ÔÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ; Neither do I. ;) --- þ MegaMail 2.10 #0:Cats: the ultimate stress reliever. Date: Sunday, April 13, 1997 9:07pm Forum: Xrated From: Don Msg#: 733377 To: Anthony Re: Speaking of Strap Ons.. (Reply to #732735) ³AA> Speaking of strap ons, I had an idea which someday can become an ³ ³AA> invention if not already so. I'm sure many of you know there's a lot o³ ³AA> cybersex going on and to enhance it many have used those cyber-cams. ³ ³AA> Well my idea is wouldn't it be more enhancing if they invented somethin³ ³AA> such as a pump for the men and some kind of a vibrator for the women ³ ³AA> which somehow gets connected to your computer and responds to words suc³ ³AA> as "Suck", "Blow", "Tickle", "Lick", etc? I know you're probably ³ ³AA> laughing but hey, who knows what the Internet has in store for us in th³ ³AA> future... ³ ÔÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ; Anthony....open the basement door and slowly, look outside. See that...a whole other world! --- þ MegaMail 2.10 #0:"Chipmuuunks roasting on an open fiiirrrre..." Date: Sunday, April 13, 1997 9:07pm Forum: Xrated From: Don Msg#: 733378 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #733363, Reply to #733321, Reply to #732709, R*) (1 reply) ³VV> Heck, I do lots of not so safe things sexually! For example, I would ³ ³VV> never use a dental dam or other barrier for oral sex. I mean, what ³ ³VV> would be the point? ³ ÔÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ; You don't even need you're partner there to do that. ;) --- þ MegaMail 2.10 #0:Copywight (c)1996 Elmer Fudd. All wights reserve Date: Monday, April 14, 1997 6:51am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 733391 To: Don Re: Strap on's (Reply to #733378, Reply to #733363, Reply to #733321, R*) DO>³VV> Heck, I do lots of not so safe things sexually! For example, I would DO>³VV> never use a dental dam or other barrier for oral sex. I mean, what DO>³VV> would be the point? DO>ÔÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ DO> You don't even need you're partner there to do that. ;) DO>--- Exactly! :) Date: Monday, April 14, 1997 9:34pm Forum: Xrated From: Nightbird Msg#: 733445 To: Vida Re: shaving (Reply to #733296, Reply to #733293, Reply to #732823, R*) VI>NI>VI>NI>Actully, I use an eletric trimmer on my underarms & somewhere else! VI>NI>VI>But you still get stubble, I assume! VI>NI>Yes, but it doesn't itch me. VI>NI>--- VI>Different strokes for different folks, is all I can say. VI>:) True! --- þ OLX 2.1 TD þ I BBS because no one can read my handwriting. Date: Monday, April 14, 1997 10:23pm Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 733455 To: Don Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #733319, Reply to #732565, Reply to #732029, R*) (1 reply) When a family of four walks past you and has the kids pose in front of you while they take it picture.. things can get a little weird... "but otherwise..." Date: Monday, April 14, 1997 10:24pm Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 733456 To: Don Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #733322, Reply to #732851, Reply to #732585, R*) Aint love grand? :-) Date: Friday, April 18, 1997 3:06pm Forum: Xrated From: Steve Flur Msg#: 733785 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #733278, Reply to #733194, Reply to #733181, R*) (1 reply) VI>SF>With all due respect, I know nothing about the credentials of that safer VI>SF>sex lecturer so I cannot comment, however, my personal/prfessional VI>SF>AIDS/HIV experience is over 11 years and that experience has taught me VI>SF>that 6 months is too before most previous assumptions are proven wrong, VI>SF>much less 3 years. VI>Of course, our knowledge is always growing and expanding. VI>It just makes sense to me, from a purely anatomical point of view, that VI>anal sex would be more risky than vaginal sex. As I previously pointed VI>out, the anus was not designed to take in objects, but to expel VI>objects. The vagina, on the other hand, is designed to do both. That by itself is not a great enough difference. Date: Friday, April 18, 1997 3:08pm Forum: Xrated From: Steve Flur Msg#: 733786 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #733362, Reply to #733320, Reply to #732579, R*) (1 reply) VI>DO>³VV> I also think that GMHC was formed because of the homophobia of many VI>DO>³VV> health care professionals...and because gay community correctly VI>DO>³VV> perceived that AIDS was being ignored by society at large BECAUSE it VI>DO>³VV> was predominately killing gay men. VI>DO>ÔÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ VI>DO> Exactly... VI>DO> By the way, they have been trying their darndest to try to get VI>DO> "the word out" that they're don't only serve gay me. VI>DO>--- VI>I think that's pretty clear! They do fantastic work for all! Actually.......I had better behave. Date: Saturday, April 19, 1997 10:54am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 733847 To: Steve Flur Re: Strap on's (Reply to #733785, Reply to #733278, Reply to #733194, R*) (1 reply) SF>VI>SF>With all due respect, I know nothing about the credentials of that saf SF>VI>SF>sex lecturer so I cannot comment, however, my personal/prfessional SF>VI>SF>AIDS/HIV experience is over 11 years and that experience has taught me SF>VI>SF>that 6 months is too before most previous assumptions are proven wrong SF>VI>SF>much less 3 years. SF>VI>Of course, our knowledge is always growing and expanding. SF>VI>It just makes sense to me, from a purely anatomical point of view, that SF>VI>anal sex would be more risky than vaginal sex. As I previously pointed SF>VI>out, the anus was not designed to take in objects, but to expel SF>VI>objects. The vagina, on the other hand, is designed to do both. SF>That by itself is not a great enough difference. In your opinion, no. In my opinion, yes. I believe that if you use ANY bodily organ in a way for which it was not designed that it is inevitable that trouble will result. As a general rule, you shouldn't monkey around with Mother Nature. For example, I don't use birth control pills because I think taking hormones plays havoc with a woman's body. Every woman that I know that has taken hormones has had some very bad side effects. Once I start going through menopause (which could happen within the next three or four years in my case because I have never been pregnant) however I will have to make the decision as to whether to use HRT (Hormone Replacement Therapy) to relieve the nasty symptoms of "the change of life". I have already decided that I am going to TRY to avoid HRT by FIRST using hynotheapy or biofeed-back. However, I have a very low thresshold tolerance for pain. So I can imagine, that after one very bad "hot flash" that I will scream: "Give me hormones!" . Date: Saturday, April 19, 1997 10:54am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 733848 To: Steve Flur Re: Strap on's (Reply to #733786, Reply to #733362, Reply to #733320, R*) (1 reply) SF>VI>DO>³VV> I also think that GMHC was formed because of the homophobia of ma SF>VI>DO>³VV> health care professionals...and because gay community correctly SF>VI>DO>³VV> perceived that AIDS was being ignored by society at large BECAUSE SF>VI>DO>³VV> was predominately killing gay men. SF>VI>DO>ÔÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ SF>VI>DO> Exactly... SF>VI>DO> By the way, they have been trying their darndest to try to get SF>VI>DO> "the word out" that they're don't only serve gay me. SF>VI>DO>--- SF>VI>I think that's pretty clear! They do fantastic work for all! SF>Actually.......I had better behave. You behave? Never! :) Date: Sunday, April 20, 1997 10:42pm Forum: Xrated From: Don Msg#: 733946 To: Synne Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #733455, Reply to #733319, Reply to #732565, R*) ³SS> When a family of four walks past you and has the kids pose in front of ³ ³SS> you while they take it picture.. things can get a little weird... "but ³ ³SS> otherwise..." ³ ÔÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ; I'll say! --- þ MegaMail 2.10 #0:Dirty deeeeeds...done dirt cheap! Date: Monday, April 21, 1997 1:28am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 733972 To: Lythande Re: Strap on's (Reply to #731742, Reply to #717027, Reply to #716967, R*) (1 reply) LY>SF>Anal sex is not an any greater risk of tranmission than vaginal sex LY>SF>since due to a number of factors there can be both blood and other LY>SF>fluids present all of whom carry HIV. LY>Where did you get this information, Steve? As I understand it the LY>greater risks in anal sex comes from the greater chance of tearing and LY>irritation, creating blood/sperm contact. I think Steve is right, Deb. The risk of transmission through vaginal sex is probably similar to that of anal sex, because the uterus is the perfect environment for the virus to thrive and enter the bloodstream... didn't we have this conversation before? Date: Monday, April 21, 1997 1:32am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 733973 To: Lythande Re: fuck friends and electric pussies (Reply to #731750, Reply to #717422, Reply to #716326, R*) (1 reply) LLY>Well, yeah. Sex is fun, but it's not a relationship. At this point in LY>my life, I have no interest in sex without being able to talk to the LY>person before, after and during! During? What do you talk about during? :) Date: Monday, April 21, 1997 1:33am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 733974 To: Lythande Re: Pervert shirt (Reply to #731753, Reply to #717425, Reply to #716329, R*) (1 reply) LY>FA>LY>(sigh) An old crone of 40 and he's still calling me cute! LY>FA>I would have to honestly say you sure dont ACT like a 40 yr old...and LY>FA>thats a good thing too! :) LY>Must be all that Geritol people are telling me to take! Don't forget the Ensure >:) Date: Monday, April 21, 1997 1:35am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 733975 To: Lythande Re: Strap on's (Reply to #731755, Reply to #717687, Reply to #716654, R*) LY>TE>As I was saying to Thumper - vaginal sex is just about as risky as anal LY>TE>sex (for the woman). (See my message to Thumper for detailed explanation LY>TE>behind this). That is why the amount of HIV+ women has skyrocketed over LY>TE>the past few years, to the point where heterosexual women are in almost LY>TE>as much risk as homosexual men. LY>How can that be? I thought that the risks of anal sex are because LY>tearing, scratching is more prevalent. You don't need tearing and scratching in the vagina for HIV transmission. Like I said, the uterine environment is very much conducive to survival of the virus and its penetration into the bloodstream, without any tearing and scratching... Date: Monday, April 21, 1997 1:37am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 733976 To: Vida Re: Sex with more than one (Reply to #731778, Reply to #731744, Reply to #717070, R*) (2 replies) VI>LY>VI>LY>VI>SF>VI>That kind of gender ambuity in one person doesn't excite m VI>LY>VI>LY>VI>SF>VI>with a woman, I want a woman. When I am with a man, I wan VI>LY>VI>LY>VI>SF>Or be with both simultaneously! VI>LY>VI>LY>VI>I have never tried that. I have never been with more than one pe VI>LY>VI>LY>VI>a time sexually. VI>LY>VI>LY>Seems that Steve is more open-minded about this subject than you ar VI>LY>VI>I don't think so. VI>LY>VI>I can't envision Steve ever having sex with someone who wasn't male in VI>LY>VI>every sense of the word. VI>LY>Well, you're open to sex with males or females. Steve seems to be open VI>LY>to sex with more than one person..... VI>LY>So, you're both more open minded about some things! VI>So it seems! It's not that I am closed minded when it comes to sex VI>with more than one person. It's just that I can't imagine dividing my VI>sexual attention on more than one person. But what if both of the other two people had all their sexual attention on you? :) Date: Monday, April 21, 1997 1:45am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 733978 To: Lythande Re: Holy Monogamous Virgin, Batman! (Reply to #731843, Reply to #717692, Reply to #716664, R*) LY>TE>LY>TE>Oh, so you're gonna make me grow a halo and then crack it? LY>TE>LY>Nah - I can't imagine any halo growing on you in the first place! LY>TE>Who, moi?? I'm a perfect angel O:) LY>Yeah, right! You and Taleah. NOT! Aww, you figured me out :) Date: Monday, April 21, 1997 1:46am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 733979 To: Lythande Re: Pervert shirt (Reply to #731844, Reply to #717694, Reply to #716671, R*) (1 reply) LY>TE>LY>TE>Yeah, Antique Boutique and the surrounding stores. The Pervert shir LY>TE>LY>TE>are part of the new funky stuff. :) LY>TE>LY>TE>And yeah, they got 'em for men, they had these funky tank tops for LY>TE>LY>TE>that say Pervert with a big number 69 :) LY>TE>LY>ROTFL! I should get that for Ed. LY>TE>Heheheh I saw another Pervert shirt the other day that I liked - this LY>TE>was actually a regular tee shirt so it was (only heh) 35 bux. It says LY>TE>Absolut Pervert (same print like Absolut Vodka) 100% Pure. Something to LY>TE>that effect. I liked that one :) LY>I NEED IT! So do I!!! Date: Monday, April 21, 1997 1:53am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 733981 To: Lythande Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #731868, Reply to #724704, Copy by Lythande, R*) (1 reply) LY>VI>SC>VI>I'm not married, but I sill indulge in indoor recreation activities LY>VI>SC>Outdoor "recreation activities" can be pretty interesting also :) LY>VI>As long as you don't get caught. :) LY>Ack! LY>But, wondering if you'll be caught every second is exactly what's so LY>much fun about outdoor activities! I almost got caught by cops that way once! (I think I mentioned that one before) Date: Monday, April 21, 1997 1:55am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 733982 To: Lythande Re: Holiday Recipe (Reply to #731874, Reply to #726318) LY>He stole my recipe! YOUR recipe?! I was under the impression he wrote that one! Date: Monday, April 21, 1997 1:59am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 733983 To: Lythande Re: Emergency Sexual Services (Reply to #731875, Reply to #726510, Fw by Lythande, Rep*) (1 reply) LY>TE>Well, what did you expect, this is Emergency Medical Services, not LY>TE>Emergency Sexual Services (although I do the latter as well hehehehe >:) LY>So, exactly what Emergency Sexual Services do you perform, wench? I fix the big hoses and make them drain out when they are clogged by lubing the entire thing in one of my hose containers! Date: Monday, April 21, 1997 2:01am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 733984 To: Lythande Re: Sex with more than one (Reply to #731885, Reply to #731778, Reply to #731744, R*) (1 reply) LY>VI>So it seems! It's not that I am closed minded when it comes to sex LY>VI>with more than one person. It's just that I can't imagine dividing my LY>VI>sexual attention on more than one person. LY>Why think of it that way? LY>Turn it around and think of two people paying attention only to you. LY> Heheheh GMTA! Date: Monday, April 21, 1997 2:04am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 733985 To: Lythande Re: Strap on's (Reply to #732001, Reply to #731981, Reply to #731740, R*) (1 reply) LLY>Are you really going to tell me that gay men don't have anal intercourse LY>regularly? Actually, from what I understand, a lot of gay men really don't have anal intercourse, but rather just oral. Date: Monday, April 21, 1997 2:08am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 733986 To: Lythande Re: Strap on's (Reply to #732002, Reply to #731982, Reply to #731742, R*) LY>SF>LY>SF>Anal sex is not an any greater risk of tranmission than vaginal sex LY>SF>LY>SF>since due to a number of factors there can be both blood and other LY>SF>LY>SF>fluids present all of whom carry HIV. LY>SF>LY>Where did you get this information, Steve? As I understand it the LY>SF>LY>greater risks in anal sex comes from the greater chance of tearing and LY>SF>LY>irritation, creating blood/sperm contact. LY>SF>And the possibility of blood in vaginal fluid. LY>If a woman had blood in vaginal fluid it would only be a danger to the LY>male if he had open sores. Completely not true. 1) The woman's vaginal fluid does not need blood to be of danger; the HIV virus survives just as well in the sex fluids as in blood. 2) The man does not need open sores to get infected. The infection happens through a sort of capillary action, where the vaginal fluid seeps up his urethra (same way men get gonorrhea, etc.) LY>It's much more likely for anal sex to cause that sort of tearing in both LY>partners. Again, tearing is not necessary for transmission. Date: Monday, April 21, 1997 2:13am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 733987 To: Nightbird Re: Well don't wake up the neighbors! (Reply to #732047, Fw by Lythande, Reply to #723375, Rep*) (2 replies) NI>-------------< COMMENTS BY Lythande >-------------- NI>TO: Tempest NI>----------< END OF COMMENTS BY Lythande >---------- NI>TE>A>TE>FA>a-loud indeed! :) NI>TE>FA>TE>Hehheheheh! Very loud :> NI>TE>FA>well dont wake the neighbors! NI>TE>Why not? Not my fault they don't know how to have fun :) NI>Please, I'm suprised my neighbors haven't complanted about Steve & I! Not only am I surprised that the neighbors haven't complained, I'm surprised that they haven't called the cops on us :) Date: Monday, April 21, 1997 2:16am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 733988 To: Synne Re: What does love have to do with sexual pleasure (Reply to #732075, Reply to #731865, Reply to #722918, R*) (1 reply) Very good point... having sex with someone u don't know from a hole in the wall while drunk as all hell IS pretty damn fun... :) Date: Monday, April 21, 1997 2:18am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 733989 To: Lythande Re: Yes, Mistress (Reply to #732084, Reply to #732044, Copy by Lythande, R*) (1 reply) LY>TE>DT>TE>T>TE>T>TE>DT> i said dont make LY>TE>DT>TE>DT>TE>DT>TE>DT>bitch. asking for another is SOU LY>TE>DT>TE>DT>TE>DT>TE> Oh, Thank You, please, LY>TE>DT>TE>DT>TE>DT> NOISE NOISE NOISE GODDAMMIT SHUT THE FUCK UP TE>DT>TE>DT>TE>DT>pulling> LY>TE>DT>TE>DT>TE>TE>DT>TE>DT>TE>Don't stop, pleeease... LY>TE>DT>TE>DT> HOW in the FUCK can you still make NOISE TE>DT>TE>DT>throat and face, yanking down, thumbs jammed inwards...> LY>TE>DT>TE>TE>DT>TE>arms> LY>TE>DT> well at least you shut the fuck up finally, jesus christ... TE>DT>off throat, fuckfinger jammed in cunt; thumb free to press in hard LY>TE>DT>directly upon clit> LY>TE>TE>hand on throat while attempting to engulf dick in mouth> LY>I was catching up in /Fetish and just couldn't resist. Ahem. Oh, I was wondering how that got in here... :) Did you enjoy the show? >:) Date: Monday, April 21, 1997 2:19am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 733990 To: Lythande Re: shaving (Reply to #732086, Reply to #732048, Copy by Lythande, R*) (1 reply) LY>NI>I do sometimes shave my pubic area because I enjoy the extra feeling! LY>Do you really?? LY>Whenever I get talked into it, it takes me a while to get used to! Shaving the bottom part (the part with the slit) is definately good, I shave it all the time, it definately feels better when it's smooth! Date: Monday, April 21, 1997 2:23am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 733991 To: Vida Re: What does love have to do with sexual pleasure? (Reply to #732089, Reply to #731867, Reply to #723057, R*) (2 replies) VI>LY>VI>DO> What does love have to do with sexual pleasure? ;) VI>LY>VI>DO>--- VI>LY>VI>In theory, nothing. I practice, everything in the world. :) VI>LY>I agree with you - it has EVERYTHING to do with it! VI>That's because you experience the most intense sexual pleasure when you VI>are both literally and figuratively making love. And you really are literally making love... you ever notice how, after making love with the one you love, you love them even more? :) Date: Monday, April 21, 1997 2:33am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 733992 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #732154, Reply to #732127, Reply to #732002, R*) (1 reply) VVI>Additionally, no one is saying that vaginal sex is not risky. Clearly VI>it is, especially for females who are more likely to become HIV + from VI>heterosexual intercourse than males. That is true! VI>What Deb is saying (and what I also understand) is that anal sex VI>carries an additional risk because of purely anatomical reasons. Vaginal sex is very risky for the woman, however, for physiological reasons. VI>Quite frankly the annus was designed to expel matters, not to take in VI>an object. If you use a body part in a manner for which it was not VI>designed than you are asking for trouble. Then I wonder why the anus contains extensions of the same nerve endings as the genital area, giving the anus the same type and intensity of pleasure-on-contact as the genitals! Date: Monday, April 21, 1997 2:47am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 733993 To: Lythande Re: What does love have to do with sexual pleasure (Reply to #732197, Reply to #732165, Reply to #732094, R*) (1 reply) LLY>Yeah, I guess. But, sometimes really hard, hot, even almost violent sex LY>with someone you love can be interesting.... Doesn't always have to be LY>soft and romantic and sweet. Hard, hot, violent sex with someone you love is the best fucking thing in the world!!! Date: Monday, April 21, 1997 2:52am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 733994 To: Don Re: When your brain is in someone's mouth (Reply to #732286, Reply to #732110, Reply to #731885, R*) DO>³VV> For me, if my attention gets divided up then the pleasure becomes less DO>³VV> intense. That's why I don't particularly like to "69". I like giving DO>³VV> oral sex and I adore receiving oral sex, but doing both at the same DO>³VV> time just doesn't work too well for me. DO>ÔÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ DO> Same here...besides...it's hard to think and focus when your DO> brain is in someone's mouth. ;) ROTFLMAO!!!!! Good one!!! Date: Monday, April 21, 1997 3:02am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 733995 To: Vida Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #732336, Reply to #732311, Reply to #732189, R*) (2 replies) VI>SY>And be sure that no feelings of jealousy would arise? And that another VI>SY>countless things wouldn't fuck up their relationship? VI>SY>I dont know if those are the things Vida meant.. but I've thought about VI>SY>it so many times.. and everytime I thought about it, I didn't see any VI>SY>possible way for things not to get fucked up. VI>SY>unfortunately... VI>That's EXACTLY how I feel! VI>I don't see how it is possible to get involved in a nonexclusive sexual VI>relationship WITHOUT someone getting jealous somewhere along the way. Yeah... a lot of my relationships have been nonexclusive, and although it can be fun (nice sense of freedom) they are much more complicated emotionally, with jealousy and such... my current one is now on a very quick path to exclusivity, which I think is a very good thing... Date: Monday, April 21, 1997 3:10am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 733996 To: Lythande Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #732351, Reply to #732311, Reply to #732189, R*) (1 reply) LLY>When a couple has a really strong love, nothing is going to break that LY>bond. And, there can't and won't be any jealousy. Jealousy doesn't LY>exist when you're 100% sure that your love is absolute. Once people LY>have reached that place, anything they do together only enhances the LY>love they have together. No way!! From my experience, if I truly love someone, jealousy goes right along with it, and is something I have to deal with in my own mind, it's like an unfortunate side effect of love (love being a truly incredible thing in itself). I kinda find that the more I love someone, the more of my own jealousy I have to deal with! It sucks, but I guess it's in my nature. :( Date: Monday, April 21, 1997 3:15am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 733997 To: Lythande Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #732357, Reply to #732336, Reply to #732311, R*) (1 reply) LLY>Jealousy is related to insecurity. If you're totally secure that your LY>significant other IS yours, you can then share that love without LY>worrying that it will diminish. I think that's part of it, (jealousy being related to insecurity), but not totally. I think some people are just more prone to jealousy (the unfortunate ones like myself) than others. Date: Monday, April 21, 1997 3:16am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 733998 To: Vida Re: What does love have to do with sexual pleasure? (Reply to #732411, Reply to #732345, Reply to #732296, R*) VI>LY>VI>LY>VI>LY>VI>DO> What does love have to do with sexual pleasure? ;) VI>LY>VI>LY>VI>LY>VI>DO>--- VI>LY>VI>LY>VI>LY>VI>In theory, nothing. I practice, everything in the world. VI>LY>VI>LY>VI>LY>I agree with you - it has EVERYTHING to do with it! VI>LY>VI>LY>VI>That's because you experience the most intense sexual pleasure w VI>LY>VI>LY>VI>are both literally and figuratively making love. VI>LY>VI>LY>I know. I think that after someone experiences the synergy of love VI>LY>VI>LY>lust they could never settle for one without the other again. VI>LY>VI>Why should they? :) VI>LY>Sometimes love doesnt' work out....sometimes love isn't enough to make a VI>LY>relationship last. VI>Yes, that has happened to me, unfortunately. :( Same here... I think it's happened to most of us! Date: Monday, April 21, 1997 3:24am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 733999 To: Synne Re: What does love have to do with sexual pleasure (Reply to #732431, Reply to #732352, Reply to #732312, R*) (1 reply) SY>No inhibitions sex can be had with someone you love -- of course! :-) SY>I meant.. dont give a fuck if you hurt them (emotionally.. or SY>physically.. eh hem)... just dont give a fuck... I have trouble SY>describing it... its just kind of a "feeling"... Kind of like you're a SY>different person, and they don't know you, you don't know them, and SY>tomorrow no part of this will matter... (as long as ur careful, SY>anyway..) With someone you love, there is always a tomorrow.. Hehehehh I know exactly the feeling you're talking about! You barely know the person or care about them, you're both just there to have fun, you're just using him and you know he's just using you.. it's FUN!! SY>It is funny... and you don't always know how its going to end up when SY>you start.. I have lit a zillion candles, laid out blankets on the SY>floor, picked the "right" music.. totally set a mood... and then it SY>turns into something entirely different... You know, it's funny, I don't think that I have ever had sex that was planned. I just can't imagine it working out that way. All the sex I ever had has been spontaneous, and I just can't really see it happening any other way! Date: Monday, April 21, 1997 3:25am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 734000 To: Synne Re: Holiday Recipe (Reply to #732435, Reply to #732372, Copy by Lythande, C*) Heheh thanx :) Date: Monday, April 21, 1997 3:34am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 734001 To: Nightbird Re: Well don't wake up the neighbors! (Reply to #732513, Reply to #732085, Reply to #732047, F*) (1 reply) NI>LY>NI>TE>A>TE>FA>a-loud indeed! :) NI>LY>NI>TE>FA>TE>Hehheheheh! Very loud :> NI>LY>NI>TE>FA>well dont wake the neighbors! NI>LY>NI>TE>Why not? Not my fault they don't know how to have fun :) NI>LY>NI>Please, I'm suprised my neighbors haven't complanted about Steve & I! NI>LY>I know what you mean - luckily our neighbors are empty lots, a church NI>LY>and a nursing home. NI>It's good to know I'm not the only screamer on this board OH no... You are NOT the only screamer on this board, trust me!! Date: Monday, April 21, 1997 3:39am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 734002 To: Don Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #732537, Reply to #732413, Reply to #732347, R*) (1 reply) DO>³VV> That too me would be even MORE distracting than a threesome!!! I can't DO>³VV> imagine being able to focus at all with a foursome. DO>ÔÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ DO> I don't know, two two's sound exciting...but the couples don't DO> have to play with each other, rather concentrate on their DO> partners but every now and again, gaze over and see what's DO> happenen over der.... Yeah, and yell out tips to each other :) Hehhe but yeah I've done it that way, and it's fun... Date: Monday, April 21, 1997 3:42am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 734003 To: Synne Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #732565, Reply to #732029, Reply to #732023, R*) (1 reply) SY>I've had sex on beaches that weren't private... So have I! Brighton Beach ain't private :> Date: Monday, April 21, 1997 3:44am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 734004 To: Vida Re: shaving (Reply to #732578, Reply to #732514, Reply to #732086, R*) (1 reply) VI>NI>LY>NI>I do sometimes shave my pubic area because I enjoy the extra feelin VI>NI>LY>Do you really?? VI>NI>LY>Whenever I get talked into it, it takes me a while to get used to! VI>NI>Sometimes I live to try something different VI>How can you stand it when it grows back???!!! Doesn't that irritate VI>the hell out of you???? I dunno if it's the same with everyone as it is with me, but try just shaving (like I said in a previous message) the bottom part with the slit, not the top part. With me, the hair growing back on the bottom part doesn't irritate me at all, in fact I don't feel a thing, but the top part gets irritated as hell. Date: Monday, April 21, 1997 3:50am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 734005 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #732708, Reply to #732634, Reply to #732195, R*) (1 reply) VI>SF>LY>SF>Considering that there are more heterosexual males, I would think t VI>SF>LY>SF>they have more sex of all kinds than gay males. By the way, do you VI>SF>LY>SF>realize that there are cultures, especially in Africa where couples VI>SF>LY>SF>regularly engage in anal intercourse as a means of either preservin VI>SF>LY>SF>female's "virginity" or as a means of birthcontrol. VI>SF>LY>Steve, I'm asking you a simple question - what percentage of gay males VI>SF>LY>do you think engage in anal sex? VI>SF>Those numbers have changed due to HIV/AIDS. VI>So why do you think the incidence of anal sex has decreased in the gay VI>male population due to HIV? Because safe sex education has taught gay VI>men that anal sex carries an additional risk of contracting HIV, that's VI>why!!! Additional risk when compared to oral sex, yes!! But not additional risk compared to vaginal sex, which gay men can't have anyway! Date: Monday, April 21, 1997 3:54am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 734006 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #732709, Reply to #732637, Reply to #732494, R*) (1 reply) VI>SF>Annal tissue may or may not tear while vaginal tissue has more muccus VI>SF>cells that are greater receptors of materials, so both are considered VI>SF>high risk for HIV transmission. VI>The muccus cells in a vagina act as a natural libracant, making it less VI>likely for annal tissue to tear. That greater likelihood that annal VI>tissue will tear is what increases the risk of annal sex. Steve didn't really explain it correctly, but nevertheless he is right. The mucous cells in the vagina, yes they produce the lubricant. What makes vaginal sex just as risky as anal sex is NOT any risk of tearing, but the fact that the uterus is extremely vascular, (a fact you may notice on a monthly basis), it is lined with capillaries that absorb bacteria and viruses quite easily, which is not only the reason why HIV infection is likely, but is also the reason why women easily get STD's and all sorts of vaginal infections, yeast infections, PID, etc. Date: Monday, April 21, 1997 3:55am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 734007 To: Vida Re: shaving (Reply to #732710, Reply to #732668, Reply to #732578, R*) (2 replies) VI>NI>VI>NI>LY>NI>I do sometimes shave my pubic area because I enjoy the extra VI>NI>VI>NI>LY>Do you really?? VI>NI>VI>NI>LY>Whenever I get talked into it, it takes me a while to get used t VI>NI>VI>NI>Sometimes I live to try something different VI>NI>VI>How can you stand it when it grows back???!!! Doesn't that irritate VI>NI>VI>the hell out of you???? VI>NI>The first few times it did but now it doesn't bother me at all. VI>NI>--- VI>All I can say is ouch! VI> But heck, I don't shave my underarms or my legs because the stubble VI>drives me crazy when it grows back! :) Then you shave it again while it's still in stubble form! Date: Monday, April 21, 1997 4:00am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 734008 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #732766, Reply to #732733, Reply to #732709, R*) (1 reply) VI>SF>VI>SF>Annal tissue may or may not tear while vaginal tissue has more mucc VI>SF>VI>SF>cells that are greater receptors of materials, so both are consider VI>SF>VI>SF>high risk for HIV transmission. VI>SF>VI>The muccus cells in a vagina act as a natural libracant, making it les VI>SF>VI>likely for annal tissue to tear. That greater likelihood that annal VI>SF>VI>tissue will tear is what increases the risk of annal sex. VI>SF>Muccus cells also absorb better. VI>Lubrication, lubrication, lubrication is the key. That's why it might VI>very well be possible that for post-menopausal women vaginal sex may be VI>as risky as anal sex. No it's not! Once that HIV+ sperm shoots into that uterus, there is no amount of lubrication that will help that woman! Date: Monday, April 21, 1997 6:20pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 734085 To: Synne Re: shaving (Reply to #732850, Reply to #732578, Reply to #732514, R*) (1 reply) SY>That has to be one of the world's worst experiences... SY>...especially when you're in public and itching beyond belief. SY> Wow, you guys have really sensitive pube skin. Date: Monday, April 21, 1997 6:30pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 734086 To: Vida Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #732897, Reply to #732851, Reply to #732585, R*) (1 reply) VVI>I can understand his jealousy. It's hard for me to tolerate that Bob VI>fantasizes about other women. My intellectual side knows that it is VI>natural and normal for a person in a committed relationship to feel VI>sexual attraction to others. But in my gut, it still drives me crazy. Ugh, I go through the exact same thing - that intellectual vs. gut fight over jealousy. I think most people go through this in their minds all the time, except maybe Deb, who seems to lack the jealousy portion of her brain that the rest of us have. :) I just keep reminding myself that as long as those natural sexual attractions for other people don't become a reality, it's O.K. Date: Monday, April 21, 1997 6:40pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 734087 To: Steve Flur Re: Strap on's (Reply to #732992, Reply to #732892, Reply to #732846, R*) (1 reply) SF>VI>SF>Most AIDS service organizations have long had special workers and SF>VI>SF>programs targeting women. SF>VI>For good reasons! SF>The problem remains that most women still think its something they don't SF>need about because "its a gay disease". I don't think so... it seems to me that people, women too, have known that HIV is not only a "gay disease" for some time now, a good 7 or 8 years. The problem actually is that most people have the "it can't happen to me" mentality... "I don't screw around, I'm monogamous, I don't use needles, I use condoms, etc. so I won't get it"... They never think of possibilities such as their partner screwing around and infecting them, even if they don't screw around themselves.. or a condom breaking.. stuff like that. Most people are guilty of this mentality but don't want to admit it... I know I admittedly think this way a lot. Date: Monday, April 21, 1997 6:47pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 734088 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #733278, Reply to #733194, Reply to #733181, R*) (1 reply) VI>SF>With all due respect, I know nothing about the credentials of that safer VI>SF>sex lecturer so I cannot comment, however, my personal/prfessional VI>SF>AIDS/HIV experience is over 11 years and that experience has taught me VI>SF>that 6 months is too before most previous assumptions are proven wrong, VI>SF>much less 3 years. VI>Of course, our knowledge is always growing and expanding. VI>It just makes sense to me, from a purely anatomical point of view, that VI>anal sex would be more risky than vaginal sex. As I previously pointed VI>out, the anus was not designed to take in objects, but to expel VI>objects. The vagina, on the other hand, is designed to do both. I believe Steve is correct here. The design and subsequent use or misuse of a particular anatomical feature does not really have anything to do with infection of any sort, as viral/bacterial infection is a physiological process, not an anatomical process. Date: Monday, April 21, 1997 6:59pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 734089 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #733847, Reply to #733785, Reply to #733278, R*) (2 replies) VVI>I believe that if you use ANY bodily organ in a way for which it was VI>not designed that it is inevitable that trouble will result. VI> As a general rule, you shouldn't monkey around with Mother Nature. VI>For example, I don't use birth control pills because I think taking VI>hormones plays havoc with a woman's body. Every woman that I know that VI>has taken hormones has had some very bad side effects. I don't know how many women you know who are on the pill, but I have been on the pill for over 4 years and I have never had a problem, have never had any side effects (except once, but that was my fault because I was being irregular about taking it). Not only that, but the pill made my period very regular, where it was kind of irregular before I went on it. Hormones have different effects from person to person, because no two people's endocrine systems are exactly the same... There is absolutely nothing wrong with messing with Mother Nature and adjusting certain biological things to your preference, as long as you know what you're doing. "Mother Nature" is not something mysterious and unknown; it is more like a very complex machine, where certain things can be adjusted with no detriment, as long as the person doing the adjustments knows what he/she is doing. Date: Tuesday, April 22, 1997 7:55pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 734143 To: Tempest Re: Sex with more than one (Reply to #733976, Reply to #731778, Reply to #731744, R*) (1 reply) TE>VI>LY>VI>LY>VI>SF>VI>That kind of gender ambuity in one person doesn't excit TE>VI>LY>VI>LY>VI>SF>VI>with a woman, I want a woman. When I am with a man, I TE>VI>LY>VI>LY>VI>SF>Or be with both simultaneously! TE>VI>LY>VI>LY>VI>I have never tried that. I have never been with more than one TE>VI>LY>VI>LY>VI>a time sexually. TE>VI>LY>VI>LY>Seems that Steve is more open-minded about this subject than you TE>VI>LY>VI>I don't think so. TE>VI>LY>VI>I can't envision Steve ever having sex with someone who wasn't male TE>VI>LY>VI>every sense of the word. TE>VI>LY>Well, you're open to sex with males or females. Steve seems to be ope TE>VI>LY>to sex with more than one person..... TE>VI>LY>So, you're both more open minded about some things! TE>VI>So it seems! It's not that I am closed minded when it comes to sex TE>VI>with more than one person. It's just that I can't imagine dividing my TE>VI>sexual attention on more than one person. TE>But what if both of the other two people had all their sexual attention TE>on you? :) Even that might not be so good for me. I find it hard to keep my mind on more than one thing at a time. :) Date: Tuesday, April 22, 1997 7:56pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 734144 To: Tempest Re: What does love have to do with sexual pleasure? (Reply to #733991, Reply to #732089, Reply to #731867, R*) TE>VI>LY>VI>DO> What does love have to do with sexual pleasure? ;) TE>VI>LY>VI>DO>--- TE>VI>LY>VI>In theory, nothing. I practice, everything in the world. :) TE>VI>LY>I agree with you - it has EVERYTHING to do with it! TE>VI>That's because you experience the most intense sexual pleasure when you TE>VI>are both literally and figuratively making love. TE>And you really are literally making love... you ever notice how, after TE>making love with the one you love, you love them even more? :) ABSOLUTELY!!!!! :) Date: Tuesday, April 22, 1997 7:59pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 734145 To: Tempest Re: Strap on's (Reply to #733992, Reply to #732154, Reply to #732127, R*) (1 reply) TE>VVI>Additionally, no one is saying that vaginal sex is not risky. Clearly TE>VI>it is, especially for females who are more likely to become HIV + from TE>VI>heterosexual intercourse than males. TE>That is true! TE>VI>What Deb is saying (and what I also understand) is that anal sex TE>VI>carries an additional risk because of purely anatomical reasons. TE>Vaginal sex is very risky for the woman, however, for physiological TE>reasons. I agree with that statement 100%. TE>VI>Quite frankly the annus was designed to expel matters, not to take in TE>VI>an object. If you use a body part in a manner for which it was not TE>VI>designed than you are asking for trouble. TE>Then I wonder why the anus contains extensions of the same nerve endings TE>as the genital area, giving the anus the same type and intensity of TE>pleasure-on-contact as the genitals! You got me beat! :) Date: Tuesday, April 22, 1997 8:22pm Forum: Xrated From: Nightbird Msg#: 734169 To: Tempest Re: Well don't wake up the neighbors! (Reply to #733987, Reply to #732047, Fw by Lythande, Rep*) TE>Not only am I surprised that the neighbors haven't complained, I'm TE>surprised that they haven't called the cops on us :) Or on me & Steve!! Although when I was in PA last year my friends & I got ajoining rooms & now know how loud I can get! --- þ OLX 2.1 TD þ It's good to be the King. - Mel Brooks Date: Tuesday, April 22, 1997 8:22pm Forum: Xrated From: Nightbird Msg#: 734170 To: Tempest Re: Well don't wake up the neighbors! (Reply to #734001, Reply to #732513, Reply to #732085, R*) TE>NI>It's good to know I'm not the only screamer on this board TE>OH no... You are NOT the only screamer on this board, trust me!! GOOD! --- þ OLX 2.1 TD þ ...Every morning is the dawn of a new error.... Date: Tuesday, April 22, 1997 11:58pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 734183 To: Vida Re: Sex with more than one (Reply to #734143, Reply to #733976, Reply to #731778, R*) (2 replies) VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>LY>VI>SF>VI>That kind of gender ambuity in one person doesn't ex VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>LY>VI>SF>VI>with a woman, I want a woman. When I am with a man, VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>LY>VI>SF>Or be with both simultaneously! VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>LY>VI>I have never tried that. I have never been with more than VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>LY>VI>a time sexually. VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>LY>Seems that Steve is more open-minded about this subject than VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>I don't think so. VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>I can't envision Steve ever having sex with someone who wasn't m VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>every sense of the word. VI>TE>VI>LY>Well, you're open to sex with males or females. Steve seems to be VI>TE>VI>LY>to sex with more than one person..... VI>TE>VI>LY>So, you're both more open minded about some things! VI>TE>VI>So it seems! It's not that I am closed minded when it comes to sex VI>TE>VI>with more than one person. It's just that I can't imagine dividing my VI>TE>VI>sexual attention on more than one person. VI>TE>But what if both of the other two people had all their sexual attention VI>TE>on you? :) VI>Even that might not be so good for me. I find it hard to keep my mind VI>on more than one thing at a time. :) But why not just close your eyes and revel in the feeling of all those hands and tongues on you at the same time? :) Date: Wednesday, April 23, 1997 12:00am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 734184 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #734145, Reply to #733992, Reply to #732154, R*) (1 reply) VVI>TE>VI>Quite frankly the annus was designed to expel matters, not to take in VI>TE>VI>an object. If you use a body part in a manner for which it was not VI>TE>VI>designed than you are asking for trouble. VI>TE>Then I wonder why the anus contains extensions of the same nerve endings VI>TE>as the genital area, giving the anus the same type and intensity of VI>TE>pleasure-on-contact as the genitals! VI>You got me beat! :) Goes to show that anatomy is not quite as straightforward as it may seem! Date: Wednesday, April 23, 1997 9:52pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 734237 To: Tempest Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #733995, Reply to #732336, Reply to #732311, R*) TE>VI>SY>And be sure that no feelings of jealousy would arise? And that anothe TE>VI>SY>countless things wouldn't fuck up their relationship? TE>VI>SY>I dont know if those are the things Vida meant.. but I've thought abou TE>VI>SY>it so many times.. and everytime I thought about it, I didn't see any TE>VI>SY>possible way for things not to get fucked up. TE>VI>SY>unfortunately... TE>VI>That's EXACTLY how I feel! TE>VI>I don't see how it is possible to get involved in a nonexclusive sexual TE>VI>relationship WITHOUT someone getting jealous somewhere along the way. TE>Yeah... a lot of my relationships have been nonexclusive, and although TE>it can be fun (nice sense of freedom) they are much more complicated TE>emotionally, with jealousy and such... my current one is now on a very TE>quick path to exclusivity, which I think is a very good thing... I should hope so! :) Date: Wednesday, April 23, 1997 9:54pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 734238 To: Tempest Re: shaving (Reply to #734004, Reply to #732578, Reply to #732514, R*) (1 reply) TE>VI>NI>LY>NI>I do sometimes shave my pubic area because I enjoy the extra fee TE>VI>NI>LY>Do you really?? TE>VI>NI>LY>Whenever I get talked into it, it takes me a while to get used to! TE>VI>NI>Sometimes I live to try something different TE>VI>How can you stand it when it grows back???!!! Doesn't that irritate TE>VI>the hell out of you???? TE>I dunno if it's the same with everyone as it is with me, but try just TE>shaving (like I said in a previous message) the bottom part with the TE>slit, not the top part. With me, the hair growing back on the bottom TE>part doesn't irritate me at all, in fact I don't feel a thing, but the TE>top part gets irritated as hell. All I can say is different strokes for different folks. I like the "natural' look of a woman's pussy! :) Date: Wednesday, April 23, 1997 9:55pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 734239 To: Tempest Re: Strap on's (Reply to #734005, Reply to #732708, Reply to #732634, R*) (1 reply) TE>VI>SF>LY>SF>Considering that there are more heterosexual males, I would thin TE>VI>SF>LY>SF>they have more sex of all kinds than gay males. By the way, do y TE>VI>SF>LY>SF>realize that there are cultures, especially in Africa where coup TE>VI>SF>LY>SF>regularly engage in anal intercourse as a means of either preser TE>VI>SF>LY>SF>female's "virginity" or as a means of birthcontrol. TE>VI>SF>LY>Steve, I'm asking you a simple question - what percentage of gay ma TE>VI>SF>LY>do you think engage in anal sex? TE>VI>SF>Those numbers have changed due to HIV/AIDS. TE>VI>So why do you think the incidence of anal sex has decreased in the gay TE>VI>male population due to HIV? Because safe sex education has taught gay TE>VI>men that anal sex carries an additional risk of contracting HIV, that's TE>VI>why!!! TE>Additional risk when compared to oral sex, yes!! But not additional risk TE>compared to vaginal sex, which gay men can't have anyway! That's a mighty big assumption. Not all gay men are exclusively gay. Date: Wednesday, April 23, 1997 9:56pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 734240 To: Tempest Re: Strap on's (Reply to #734006, Reply to #732709, Reply to #732637, R*) (1 reply) TE>VI>SF>Annal tissue may or may not tear while vaginal tissue has more muccus TE>VI>SF>cells that are greater receptors of materials, so both are considered TE>VI>SF>high risk for HIV transmission. TE>VI>The muccus cells in a vagina act as a natural libracant, making it less TE>VI>likely for annal tissue to tear. That greater likelihood that annal TE>VI>tissue will tear is what increases the risk of annal sex. TE>Steve didn't really explain it correctly, but nevertheless he is right. TE>The mucous cells in the vagina, yes they produce the lubricant. What TE>makes vaginal sex just as risky as anal sex is NOT any risk of tearing, TE>but the fact that the uterus is extremely vascular, (a fact you may TE>notice on a monthly basis), it is lined with capillaries that absorb TE>bacteria and viruses quite easily, which is not only the reason why HIV TE>infection is likely, but is also the reason why women easily get STD's TE>and all sorts of vaginal infections, yeast infections, PID, etc. And I still argue that vaginal sex is less risky than anal sex because vaginas were designed to be penetrated. Date: Wednesday, April 23, 1997 9:58pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 734242 To: Tempest Re: shaving (Reply to #734007, Reply to #732710, Reply to #732668, R*) (2 replies) TE>VI>NI>VI>NI>LY>NI>I do sometimes shave my pubic area because I enjoy the ext TE>VI>NI>VI>NI>LY>Do you really?? TE>VI>NI>VI>NI>LY>Whenever I get talked into it, it takes me a while to get use TE>VI>NI>VI>NI>Sometimes I live to try something different TE>VI>NI>VI>How can you stand it when it grows back???!!! Doesn't that irritat TE>VI>NI>VI>the hell out of you???? TE>VI>NI>The first few times it did but now it doesn't bother me at all. TE>VI>NI>--- TE>VI>All I can say is ouch! TE>VI> But heck, I don't shave my underarms or my legs because the stubble TE>VI>drives me crazy when it grows back! :) TE>Then you shave it again while it's still in stubble form! But why bother? To me the act of shaving your underarms and your legs is a deliberate attempt to infantalize women...to pretend that you are not an adult, but are a preadolescent girl. Date: Wednesday, April 23, 1997 10:00pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 734243 To: Tempest Re: Strap on's (Reply to #734008, Reply to #732766, Reply to #732733, R*) (1 reply) TE>VI>SF>VI>SF>Annal tissue may or may not tear while vaginal tissue has more m TE>VI>SF>VI>SF>cells that are greater receptors of materials, so both are consi TE>VI>SF>VI>SF>high risk for HIV transmission. TE>VI>SF>VI>The muccus cells in a vagina act as a natural libracant, making it TE>VI>SF>VI>likely for annal tissue to tear. That greater likelihood that anna TE>VI>SF>VI>tissue will tear is what increases the risk of annal sex. TE>VI>SF>Muccus cells also absorb better. TE>VI>Lubrication, lubrication, lubrication is the key. That's why it might TE>VI>very well be possible that for post-menopausal women vaginal sex may be TE>VI>as risky as anal sex. TE>No it's not! Once that HIV+ sperm shoots into that uterus, there is no TE>amount of lubrication that will help that woman! But the lubrication will mean that it is less likely to have tears and other entries for the HIV to enter the bloodstream. Date: Wednesday, April 23, 1997 10:01pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 734244 To: Tempest Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #734086, Reply to #732897, Reply to #732851, R*) (1 reply) TE>VVI>I can understand his jealousy. It's hard for me to tolerate that Bob TE>VI>fantasizes about other women. My intellectual side knows that it is TE>VI>natural and normal for a person in a committed relationship to feel TE>VI>sexual attraction to others. But in my gut, it still drives me crazy. TE>Ugh, I go through the exact same thing - that intellectual vs. gut fight TE>over jealousy. I think most people go through this in their minds all TE>the time, except maybe Deb, who seems to lack the jealousy portion of TE>her brain that the rest of us have. :) TE>I just keep reminding myself that as long as those natural sexual TE>attractions for other people don't become a reality, it's O.K. I try to do the same thing. It just doesn't always work. Date: Wednesday, April 23, 1997 10:02pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 734245 To: Tempest Re: Strap on's (Reply to #734088, Reply to #733278, Reply to #733194, R*) (1 reply) TE>VI>SF>With all due respect, I know nothing about the credentials of that saf TE>VI>SF>sex lecturer so I cannot comment, however, my personal/prfessional TE>VI>SF>AIDS/HIV experience is over 11 years and that experience has taught me TE>VI>SF>that 6 months is too before most previous assumptions are proven wrong TE>VI>SF>much less 3 years. TE>VI>Of course, our knowledge is always growing and expanding. TE>VI>It just makes sense to me, from a purely anatomical point of view, that TE>VI>anal sex would be more risky than vaginal sex. As I previously pointed TE>VI>out, the anus was not designed to take in objects, but to expel TE>VI>objects. The vagina, on the other hand, is designed to do both. TE>I believe Steve is correct here. The design and subsequent use or misuse TE>of a particular anatomical feature does not really have anything to do TE>with infection of any sort, as viral/bacterial infection is a TE>physiological process, not an anatomical process. You can't completely divorce phsiology from anatomy. I believe that any use of any anatomical feature that deviates from the purpose from which it was intended can bring about adverse consequences. Date: Wednesday, April 23, 1997 10:08pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 734247 To: Tempest Re: Strap on's (Reply to #734089, Reply to #733847, Reply to #733785, R*) (1 reply) TE>VVI>I believe that if you use ANY bodily organ in a way for which it was TE>VI>not designed that it is inevitable that trouble will result. TE>VI> As a general rule, you shouldn't monkey around with Mother Nature. TE>VI>For example, I don't use birth control pills because I think taking TE>VI>hormones plays havoc with a woman's body. Every woman that I know that TE>VI>has taken hormones has had some very bad side effects. TE>I don't know how many women you know who are on the pill, but I have TE>been on the pill for over 4 years and I have never had a problem, have TE>never had any side effects (except once, but that was my fault because I TE>was being irregular about taking it). Not only that, but the pill made TE>my period very regular, where it was kind of irregular before I went on TE>it. Hormones have different effects from person to person, because no TE>two people's endocrine systems are exactly the same... TE>There is absolutely nothing wrong with messing with Mother Nature and TE>adjusting certain biological things to your preference, as long as you TE>know what you're doing. "Mother Nature" is not something mysterious and TE>unknown; it is more like a very complex machine, where certain things TE>can be adjusted with no detriment, as long as the person doing the TE>adjustments knows what he/she is doing. I have known many, many, many women over the last 20 years of my life who have been on the pill or other forms of hormones. Each of these women got messed up in some way. If you have been able to avoid any side effects for now, then I am very happy for you. But let me just remind you that four years is not a very long time to be on medication. And also you are still young so you don't know what lies ahead for you as your body matures. (Which is not to say that I wish you ill! ) I disagree very strongly with your statement that you can make adjustments to human biology without grave, grave consequences. I think this kind of thinking is very, very dangerous. Date: Wednesday, April 23, 1997 10:09pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 734248 To: Tempest Re: Sex with more than one (Reply to #734183, Reply to #734143, Reply to #733976, R*) (1 reply) TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>LY>VI>SF>VI>That kind of gender ambuity in one person doesn't TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>LY>VI>SF>VI>with a woman, I want a woman. When I am with a m TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>LY>VI>SF>Or be with both simultaneously! TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>LY>VI>I have never tried that. I have never been with more th TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>LY>VI>a time sexually. TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>LY>Seems that Steve is more open-minded about this subject th TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>I don't think so. TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>I can't envision Steve ever having sex with someone who wasn' TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>every sense of the word. TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>Well, you're open to sex with males or females. Steve seems to TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>to sex with more than one person..... TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>So, you're both more open minded about some things! TE>VI>TE>VI>So it seems! It's not that I am closed minded when it comes to sex TE>VI>TE>VI>with more than one person. It's just that I can't imagine dividing TE>VI>TE>VI>sexual attention on more than one person. TE>VI>TE>But what if both of the other two people had all their sexual attentio TE>VI>TE>on you? :) TE>VI>Even that might not be so good for me. I find it hard to keep my mind TE>VI>on more than one thing at a time. :) TE>But why not just close your eyes and revel in the feeling of all those TE>hands and tongues on you at the same time? :) Because I like looking! I almost always make love with the lights on. :) Date: Wednesday, April 23, 1997 10:11pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 734249 To: Tempest Re: Strap on's (Reply to #734184, Reply to #734145, Reply to #733992, R*) (1 reply) TE>VVI>TE>VI>Quite frankly the annus was designed to expel matters, not to take TE>VI>TE>VI>an object. If you use a body part in a manner for which it was not TE>VI>TE>VI>designed than you are asking for trouble. TE>VI>TE>Then I wonder why the anus contains extensions of the same nerve endin TE>VI>TE>as the genital area, giving the anus the same type and intensity of TE>VI>TE>pleasure-on-contact as the genitals! TE>VI>You got me beat! :) TE>Goes to show that anatomy is not quite as straightforward as it may TE>seem! And maybe they are all there just to make you feel good after taking a shit after you've been constipated. :) Date: Wednesday, April 23, 1997 10:40pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 734256 To: Vida Re: shaving (Reply to #734238, Reply to #734004, Reply to #732578, R*) (1 reply) VI>TE>VI>NI>LY>NI>I do sometimes shave my pubic area because I enjoy the extra VI>TE>VI>NI>LY>Do you really?? VI>TE>VI>NI>LY>Whenever I get talked into it, it takes me a while to get used t VI>TE>VI>NI>Sometimes I live to try something different VI>TE>VI>How can you stand it when it grows back???!!! Doesn't that irritate VI>TE>VI>the hell out of you???? VI>TE>I dunno if it's the same with everyone as it is with me, but try just VI>TE>shaving (like I said in a previous message) the bottom part with the VI>TE>slit, not the top part. With me, the hair growing back on the bottom VI>TE>part doesn't irritate me at all, in fact I don't feel a thing, but the VI>TE>top part gets irritated as hell. VI>All I can say is different strokes for different folks. I like the VI>"natural' look of a woman's pussy! :) Ohh hehhee I see :) With me I just like the smooth feeling everywhere, I really don't like body hair on myself at all! Date: Wednesday, April 23, 1997 10:41pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 734257 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #734239, Reply to #734005, Reply to #732708, R*) (1 reply) VI>TE>VI>SF>LY>SF>Considering that there are more heterosexual males, I would t VI>TE>VI>SF>LY>SF>they have more sex of all kinds than gay males. By the way, d VI>TE>VI>SF>LY>SF>realize that there are cultures, especially in Africa where c VI>TE>VI>SF>LY>SF>regularly engage in anal intercourse as a means of either pre VI>TE>VI>SF>LY>SF>female's "virginity" or as a means of birthcontrol. VI>TE>VI>SF>LY>Steve, I'm asking you a simple question - what percentage of gay VI>TE>VI>SF>LY>do you think engage in anal sex? VI>TE>VI>SF>Those numbers have changed due to HIV/AIDS. VI>TE>VI>So why do you think the incidence of anal sex has decreased in the gay VI>TE>VI>male population due to HIV? Because safe sex education has taught gay VI>TE>VI>men that anal sex carries an additional risk of contracting HIV, that' VI>TE>VI>why!!! VI>TE>Additional risk when compared to oral sex, yes!! But not additional risk VI>TE>compared to vaginal sex, which gay men can't have anyway! VI>That's a mighty big assumption. Not all gay men are exclusively gay. Well, if a gay man is not exclusively gay, then he is bisexual, which means he's not gay! Date: Wednesday, April 23, 1997 10:41pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 734258 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #734240, Reply to #734006, Reply to #732709, R*) (1 reply) VI>TE>VI>SF>Annal tissue may or may not tear while vaginal tissue has more mucc VI>TE>VI>SF>cells that are greater receptors of materials, so both are consider VI>TE>VI>SF>high risk for HIV transmission. VI>TE>VI>The muccus cells in a vagina act as a natural libracant, making it les VI>TE>VI>likely for annal tissue to tear. That greater likelihood that annal VI>TE>VI>tissue will tear is what increases the risk of annal sex. VI>TE>Steve didn't really explain it correctly, but nevertheless he is right. VI>TE>The mucous cells in the vagina, yes they produce the lubricant. What VI>TE>makes vaginal sex just as risky as anal sex is NOT any risk of tearing, VI>TE>but the fact that the uterus is extremely vascular, (a fact you may VI>TE>notice on a monthly basis), it is lined with capillaries that absorb VI>TE>bacteria and viruses quite easily, which is not only the reason why HIV VI>TE>infection is likely, but is also the reason why women easily get STD's VI>TE>and all sorts of vaginal infections, yeast infections, PID, etc. VI>And I still argue that vaginal sex is less risky than anal sex because VI>vaginas were designed to be penetrated. That is not a scientific explanation in any sense! Date: Wednesday, April 23, 1997 10:44pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 734259 To: Vida Re: shaving (Reply to #734242, Reply to #734007, Reply to #732710, R*) (1 reply) VI>TE>VI>NI>VI>NI>LY>NI>I do sometimes shave my pubic area because I enjoy the VI>TE>VI>NI>VI>NI>LY>Do you really?? VI>TE>VI>NI>VI>NI>LY>Whenever I get talked into it, it takes me a while to get VI>TE>VI>NI>VI>NI>Sometimes I live to try something different VI>TE>VI>NI>VI>How can you stand it when it grows back???!!! Doesn't that irri VI>TE>VI>NI>VI>the hell out of you???? VI>TE>VI>NI>The first few times it did but now it doesn't bother me at all. VI>TE>VI>NI>--- VI>TE>VI>All I can say is ouch! VI>TE>VI> But heck, I don't shave my underarms or my legs because the stubble VI>TE>VI>drives me crazy when it grows back! :) VI>TE>Then you shave it again while it's still in stubble form! VI>But why bother? To me the act of shaving your underarms and your legs VI>is a deliberate attempt to infantalize women...to pretend that you are VI>not an adult, but are a preadolescent girl. What?! That is a really weird way of looking at it! The purpose of shaving is to make skin smooth, because smooth skin feels GOOD!!! Even I feel myself up after I finish shaving! Date: Wednesday, April 23, 1997 10:48pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 734260 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #734243, Reply to #734008, Reply to #732766, R*) (1 reply) VI>TE>VI>SF>VI>SF>Annal tissue may or may not tear while vaginal tissue has mor VI>TE>VI>SF>VI>SF>cells that are greater receptors of materials, so both are co VI>TE>VI>SF>VI>SF>high risk for HIV transmission. VI>TE>VI>SF>VI>The muccus cells in a vagina act as a natural libracant, making VI>TE>VI>SF>VI>likely for annal tissue to tear. That greater likelihood that a VI>TE>VI>SF>VI>tissue will tear is what increases the risk of annal sex. VI>TE>VI>SF>Muccus cells also absorb better. VI>TE>VI>Lubrication, lubrication, lubrication is the key. That's why it might VI>TE>VI>very well be possible that for post-menopausal women vaginal sex may b VI>TE>VI>as risky as anal sex. VI>TE>No it's not! Once that HIV+ sperm shoots into that uterus, there is no VI>TE>amount of lubrication that will help that woman! VI>But the lubrication will mean that it is less likely to have tears and VI>other entries for the HIV to enter the bloodstream. Again, NO tears whatsoever in the vagina are necessary for HIV to enter the bloodstream. The intact uterus, lined with its very absorbent capillaries, is an excellent medium for the virus to enter the bloodstream all by itself. Date: Wednesday, April 23, 1997 10:48pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 734261 To: Vida Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #734244, Reply to #734086, Reply to #732897, R*) (1 reply) VI>TE>VVI>I can understand his jealousy. It's hard for me to tolerate that Bob VI>TE>VI>fantasizes about other women. My intellectual side knows that it is VI>TE>VI>natural and normal for a person in a committed relationship to feel VI>TE>VI>sexual attraction to others. But in my gut, it still drives me crazy. VI>TE>Ugh, I go through the exact same thing - that intellectual vs. gut fight VI>TE>over jealousy. I think most people go through this in their minds all VI>TE>the time, except maybe Deb, who seems to lack the jealousy portion of VI>TE>her brain that the rest of us have. :) VI>TE>I just keep reminding myself that as long as those natural sexual VI>TE>attractions for other people don't become a reality, it's O.K. VI>I try to do the same thing. It just doesn't always work. Yeah, I know. It takes a lot of self-convincing, it's hard. Date: Wednesday, April 23, 1997 10:52pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 734262 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #734245, Reply to #734088, Reply to #733278, R*) (1 reply) VI>TE>VI>SF>With all due respect, I know nothing about the credentials of that VI>TE>VI>SF>sex lecturer so I cannot comment, however, my personal/prfessional VI>TE>VI>SF>AIDS/HIV experience is over 11 years and that experience has taught VI>TE>VI>SF>that 6 months is too before most previous assumptions are proven wr VI>TE>VI>SF>much less 3 years. VI>TE>VI>Of course, our knowledge is always growing and expanding. VI>TE>VI>It just makes sense to me, from a purely anatomical point of view, tha VI>TE>VI>anal sex would be more risky than vaginal sex. As I previously pointe VI>TE>VI>out, the anus was not designed to take in objects, but to expel VI>TE>VI>objects. The vagina, on the other hand, is designed to do both. VI>TE>I believe Steve is correct here. The design and subsequent use or misuse VI>TE>of a particular anatomical feature does not really have anything to do VI>TE>with infection of any sort, as viral/bacterial infection is a VI>TE>physiological process, not an anatomical process. VI>You can't completely divorce phsiology from anatomy. I believe that VI>any use of any anatomical feature that deviates from the purpose from VI>which it was intended can bring about adverse consequences. Physiology really is a very separate world from anatomy. Anatomy is structure; physiology is function. The disease-causing action of a virus is functional, not structural. Your argument that anal sex is more dangerous because the anus was not intended for entrance just has no scientific backing whatsoever! Date: Wednesday, April 23, 1997 11:04pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 734263 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #734247, Reply to #734089, Reply to #733847, R*) (1 reply) VI>TE>VVI>I believe that if you use ANY bodily organ in a way for which it was VI>TE>VI>not designed that it is inevitable that trouble will result. VI>TE>VI> As a general rule, you shouldn't monkey around with Mother Nature. VI>TE>VI>For example, I don't use birth control pills because I think taking VI>TE>VI>hormones plays havoc with a woman's body. Every woman that I know that VI>TE>VI>has taken hormones has had some very bad side effects. VI>TE>I don't know how many women you know who are on the pill, but I have VI>TE>been on the pill for over 4 years and I have never had a problem, have VI>TE>never had any side effects (except once, but that was my fault because I VI>TE>was being irregular about taking it). Not only that, but the pill made VI>TE>my period very regular, where it was kind of irregular before I went on VI>TE>it. Hormones have different effects from person to person, because no VI>TE>two people's endocrine systems are exactly the same... VI>TE>There is absolutely nothing wrong with messing with Mother Nature and VI>TE>adjusting certain biological things to your preference, as long as you VI>TE>know what you're doing. "Mother Nature" is not something mysterious and VI>TE>unknown; it is more like a very complex machine, where certain things VI>TE>can be adjusted with no detriment, as long as the person doing the VI>TE>adjustments knows what he/she is doing. VI>I have known many, many, many women over the last 20 years of my life VI>who have been on the pill or other forms of hormones. Each of these VI>women got messed up in some way. If you have been able to avoid any VI>side effects for now, then I am very happy for you. But let me just VI>remind you that four years is not a very long time to be on medication. VI> And also you are still young so you don't know what lies ahead for VI>you as your body matures. (Which is not to say that I wish you ill! ) Did you know most of these women the past few years, or more than ten or so years ago? Pills were not as advanced 15-20 years ago and were more detrimental back then; there is a much larger variety of pills now, many of them a lot safer than they were 2 decades ago, and with a good gynecologist who knows how to prescribe correctly a woman can generally avoid problems. Four years is actually a reasonably long time to be on the pill. It's generally not recommended to be on the pill for more than a few years at a time (or any hormone form of birth control); that is why people opt for surgical means eventually rather than staying on Norplant or something until menopause. True, I don't know what lies ahead for my body, however the pill has not been shown to be a cause of long-term side effects or diseases. VI>I disagree very strongly with your statement that you can make VI>adjustments to human biology without grave, grave consequences. I VI>think this kind of thinking is very, very dangerous. Why do you think that we can't make adjustments to human biology without grave consequences? We already HAVE, you know. Have you ever been vaccinated? (I hope so!) Vaccinations are adjustments to human biology, do you think that we are experiencing grave consequences from those? Why do you think that this kind of thinking is so dangerous? I suspect that our different opinions on this matter lie in the fact that you are religious, and I am not. You speak of "intended purpose" when you speak of certain biological systems; that suggests that there is "someone" behind the intentions. When I think about this kind of thing, I think scientifically, I think about the mechanisms behind biological functioning, and yes, I ponder about improvements that can be made. If this is the case, then you and I just think about these things in fundamentally different ways, so one of us can never convince the other! Date: Wednesday, April 23, 1997 11:06pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 734264 To: Vida Re: Sex with more than one (Reply to #734248, Reply to #734183, Reply to #734143, R*) (1 reply) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>LY>VI>SF>VI>That kind of gender ambuity in one person does VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>LY>VI>SF>VI>with a woman, I want a woman. When I am with VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>LY>VI>SF>Or be with both simultaneously! VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>LY>VI>I have never tried that. I have never been with more VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>LY>VI>a time sexually. VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>LY>Seems that Steve is more open-minded about this subject VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>I don't think so. VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>I can't envision Steve ever having sex with someone who wa VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>every sense of the word. VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>Well, you're open to sex with males or females. Steve seems VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>to sex with more than one person..... VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>So, you're both more open minded about some things! VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>So it seems! It's not that I am closed minded when it comes to VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>with more than one person. It's just that I can't imagine divid VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>sexual attention on more than one person. VI>TE>VI>TE>But what if both of the other two people had all their sexual atten VI>TE>VI>TE>on you? :) VI>TE>VI>Even that might not be so good for me. I find it hard to keep my mind VI>TE>VI>on more than one thing at a time. :) VI>TE>But why not just close your eyes and revel in the feeling of all those VI>TE>hands and tongues on you at the same time? :) VI>Because I like looking! I almost always make love with the lights on. VI>:) Really? I like to make love with the lights off! Not that I don't enjoy the view!! The view is wonderful! But sometimes seeing takes up too much of my attention, when all I wanna do is FEEL! :) Date: Wednesday, April 23, 1997 11:07pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 734265 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #734249, Reply to #734184, Reply to #734145, R*) (1 reply) VI>TE>VVI>TE>VI>Quite frankly the annus was designed to expel matters, not to t VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>an object. If you use a body part in a manner for which it was VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>designed than you are asking for trouble. VI>TE>VI>TE>Then I wonder why the anus contains extensions of the same nerve en VI>TE>VI>TE>as the genital area, giving the anus the same type and intensity of VI>TE>VI>TE>pleasure-on-contact as the genitals! VI>TE>VI>You got me beat! :) VI>TE>Goes to show that anatomy is not quite as straightforward as it may VI>TE>seem! VI>And maybe they are all there just to make you feel good after taking a VI>shit after you've been constipated. :) ROTFL!!! Makes good sense :) Date: Thursday, April 24, 1997 6:46am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 734271 To: Tempest Re: shaving (Reply to #734256, Reply to #734238, Reply to #734004, R*) (1 reply) TE>VI>TE>VI>NI>LY>NI>I do sometimes shave my pubic area because I enjoy the ext TE>VI>TE>VI>NI>LY>Do you really?? TE>VI>TE>VI>NI>LY>Whenever I get talked into it, it takes me a while to get use TE>VI>TE>VI>NI>Sometimes I live to try something different TE>VI>TE>VI>How can you stand it when it grows back???!!! Doesn't that irritat TE>VI>TE>VI>the hell out of you???? TE>VI>TE>I dunno if it's the same with everyone as it is with me, but try just TE>VI>TE>shaving (like I said in a previous message) the bottom part with the TE>VI>TE>slit, not the top part. With me, the hair growing back on the bottom TE>VI>TE>part doesn't irritate me at all, in fact I don't feel a thing, but the TE>VI>TE>top part gets irritated as hell. TE>VI>All I can say is different strokes for different folks. I like the TE>VI>"natural' look of a woman's pussy! :) TE>Ohh hehhee I see :) With me I just like the smooth feeling everywhere, TE>I really don't like body hair on myself at all! Why not? It's an affirmation of our animal nature. :) Date: Thursday, April 24, 1997 6:47am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 734272 To: Tempest Re: Strap on's (Reply to #734257, Reply to #734239, Reply to #734005, R*) (1 reply) TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>LY>SF>Considering that there are more heterosexual males, I woul TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>LY>SF>they have more sex of all kinds than gay males. By the way TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>LY>SF>realize that there are cultures, especially in Africa wher TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>LY>SF>regularly engage in anal intercourse as a means of either TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>LY>SF>female's "virginity" or as a means of birthcontrol. TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>LY>Steve, I'm asking you a simple question - what percentage of TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>LY>do you think engage in anal sex? TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>Those numbers have changed due to HIV/AIDS. TE>VI>TE>VI>So why do you think the incidence of anal sex has decreased in the TE>VI>TE>VI>male population due to HIV? Because safe sex education has taught TE>VI>TE>VI>men that anal sex carries an additional risk of contracting HIV, th TE>VI>TE>VI>why!!! TE>VI>TE>Additional risk when compared to oral sex, yes!! But not additional ri TE>VI>TE>compared to vaginal sex, which gay men can't have anyway! TE>VI>That's a mighty big assumption. Not all gay men are exclusively gay. TE>Well, if a gay man is not exclusively gay, then he is bisexual, which TE>means he's not gay! Says you. Date: Thursday, April 24, 1997 6:47am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 734273 To: Tempest Re: Strap on's (Reply to #734258, Reply to #734240, Reply to #734006, R*) (1 reply) TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>Annal tissue may or may not tear while vaginal tissue has more m TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>cells that are greater receptors of materials, so both are consi TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>high risk for HIV transmission. TE>VI>TE>VI>The muccus cells in a vagina act as a natural libracant, making it TE>VI>TE>VI>likely for annal tissue to tear. That greater likelihood that anna TE>VI>TE>VI>tissue will tear is what increases the risk of annal sex. TE>VI>TE>Steve didn't really explain it correctly, but nevertheless he is right TE>VI>TE>The mucous cells in the vagina, yes they produce the lubricant. What TE>VI>TE>makes vaginal sex just as risky as anal sex is NOT any risk of tearing TE>VI>TE>but the fact that the uterus is extremely vascular, (a fact you may TE>VI>TE>notice on a monthly basis), it is lined with capillaries that absorb TE>VI>TE>bacteria and viruses quite easily, which is not only the reason why HI TE>VI>TE>infection is likely, but is also the reason why women easily get STD's TE>VI>TE>and all sorts of vaginal infections, yeast infections, PID, etc. TE>VI>And I still argue that vaginal sex is less risky than anal sex because TE>VI>vaginas were designed to be penetrated. TE>That is not a scientific explanation in any sense! Who ever said I was a scientist? :) Date: Thursday, April 24, 1997 6:49am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 734274 To: Tempest Re: shaving (Reply to #734259, Reply to #734242, Reply to #734007, R*) (1 reply) TE>VI>TE>VI>NI>VI>NI>LY>NI>I do sometimes shave my pubic area because I enjoy t TE>VI>TE>VI>NI>VI>NI>LY>Do you really?? TE>VI>TE>VI>NI>VI>NI>LY>Whenever I get talked into it, it takes me a while to g TE>VI>TE>VI>NI>VI>NI>Sometimes I live to try something different TE>VI>TE>VI>NI>VI>How can you stand it when it grows back???!!! Doesn't that i TE>VI>TE>VI>NI>VI>the hell out of you???? TE>VI>TE>VI>NI>The first few times it did but now it doesn't bother me at all. TE>VI>TE>VI>NI>--- TE>VI>TE>VI>All I can say is ouch! TE>VI>TE>VI> But heck, I don't shave my underarms or my legs because the stubb TE>VI>TE>VI>drives me crazy when it grows back! :) TE>VI>TE>Then you shave it again while it's still in stubble form! TE>VI>But why bother? To me the act of shaving your underarms and your legs TE>VI>is a deliberate attempt to infantalize women...to pretend that you are TE>VI>not an adult, but are a preadolescent girl. TE>What?! That is a really weird way of looking at it! The purpose of TE>shaving is to make skin smooth, because smooth skin feels GOOD!!! Even I TE>feel myself up after I finish shaving! And hairy skin also feels good. I really believe that the reason why the "custom" of women shaving their legs and underarms started was to infatalize women--it's the "political" reason I don't do either. Date: Thursday, April 24, 1997 6:52am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 734275 To: Tempest Re: Strap on's (Reply to #734260, Reply to #734243, Reply to #734008, R*) (1 reply) TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>VI>SF>Annal tissue may or may not tear while vaginal tissue has TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>VI>SF>cells that are greater receptors of materials, so both are TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>VI>SF>high risk for HIV transmission. TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>VI>The muccus cells in a vagina act as a natural libracant, maki TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>VI>likely for annal tissue to tear. That greater likelihood tha TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>VI>tissue will tear is what increases the risk of annal sex. TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>Muccus cells also absorb better. TE>VI>TE>VI>Lubrication, lubrication, lubrication is the key. That's why it mi TE>VI>TE>VI>very well be possible that for post-menopausal women vaginal sex ma TE>VI>TE>VI>as risky as anal sex. TE>VI>TE>No it's not! Once that HIV+ sperm shoots into that uterus, there is no TE>VI>TE>amount of lubrication that will help that woman! TE>VI>But the lubrication will mean that it is less likely to have tears and TE>VI>other entries for the HIV to enter the bloodstream. TE>Again, NO tears whatsoever in the vagina are necessary for HIV to enter TE>the bloodstream. The intact uterus, lined with its very absorbent TE>capillaries, is an excellent medium for the virus to enter the bloodstream TE>all by itself. If the uterus is intact HIV would stay have to breach the barrier of the outer level of the uterus. I am not saying this can't be done. I am saying that the presence of tears provides an additional means for the virus to enter the bloodstream. Date: Thursday, April 24, 1997 6:53am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 734276 To: Tempest Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #734261, Reply to #734244, Reply to #734086, R*) TE>VI>TE>VVI>I can understand his jealousy. It's hard for me to tolerate that TE>VI>TE>VI>fantasizes about other women. My intellectual side knows that it i TE>VI>TE>VI>natural and normal for a person in a committed relationship to feel TE>VI>TE>VI>sexual attraction to others. But in my gut, it still drives me cra TE>VI>TE>Ugh, I go through the exact same thing - that intellectual vs. gut fig TE>VI>TE>over jealousy. I think most people go through this in their minds all TE>VI>TE>the time, except maybe Deb, who seems to lack the jealousy portion of TE>VI>TE>her brain that the rest of us have. :) TE>VI>TE>I just keep reminding myself that as long as those natural sexual TE>VI>TE>attractions for other people don't become a reality, it's O.K. TE>VI>I try to do the same thing. It just doesn't always work. TE>Yeah, I know. It takes a lot of self-convincing, it's hard. Very hard. Date: Thursday, April 24, 1997 6:55am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 734277 To: Tempest Re: Strap on's (Reply to #734262, Reply to #734245, Reply to #734088, R*) (1 reply) TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>With all due respect, I know nothing about the credentials of th TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>sex lecturer so I cannot comment, however, my personal/prfession TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>AIDS/HIV experience is over 11 years and that experience has tau TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>that 6 months is too before most previous assumptions are proven TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>much less 3 years. TE>VI>TE>VI>Of course, our knowledge is always growing and expanding. TE>VI>TE>VI>It just makes sense to me, from a purely anatomical point of view, TE>VI>TE>VI>anal sex would be more risky than vaginal sex. As I previously poi TE>VI>TE>VI>out, the anus was not designed to take in objects, but to expel TE>VI>TE>VI>objects. The vagina, on the other hand, is designed to do both. TE>VI>TE>I believe Steve is correct here. The design and subsequent use or misu TE>VI>TE>of a particular anatomical feature does not really have anything to do TE>VI>TE>with infection of any sort, as viral/bacterial infection is a TE>VI>TE>physiological process, not an anatomical process. TE>VI>You can't completely divorce phsiology from anatomy. I believe that TE>VI>any use of any anatomical feature that deviates from the purpose from TE>VI>which it was intended can bring about adverse consequences. TE>Physiology really is a very separate world from anatomy. Anatomy is TE>structure; physiology is function. The disease-causing action of a virus TE>is functional, not structural. But structure can affect function. TE>Your argument that anal sex is more dangerous because the anus was not TE>intended for entrance just has no scientific backing whatsoever! That doesn't mean that it's not true. :) Date: Thursday, April 24, 1997 7:14am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 734278 To: Tempest Re: Strap on's (Reply to #734263, Reply to #734247, Reply to #734089, R*) (1 reply) TE>VI>TE>VVI>I believe that if you use ANY bodily organ in a way for which it w TE>VI>TE>VI>not designed that it is inevitable that trouble will result. TE>VI>TE>VI> As a general rule, you shouldn't monkey around with Mother Nature. TE>VI>TE>VI>For example, I don't use birth control pills because I think taking TE>VI>TE>VI>hormones plays havoc with a woman's body. Every woman that I know t TE>VI>TE>VI>has taken hormones has had some very bad side effects. TE>VI>TE>I don't know how many women you know who are on the pill, but I have TE>VI>TE>been on the pill for over 4 years and I have never had a problem, have TE>VI>TE>never had any side effects (except once, but that was my fault because TE>VI>TE>was being irregular about taking it). Not only that, but the pill made TE>VI>TE>my period very regular, where it was kind of irregular before I went o TE>VI>TE>it. Hormones have different effects from person to person, because no TE>VI>TE>two people's endocrine systems are exactly the same... TE>VI>TE>There is absolutely nothing wrong with messing with Mother Nature and TE>VI>TE>adjusting certain biological things to your preference, as long as you TE>VI>TE>know what you're doing. "Mother Nature" is not something mysterious an TE>VI>TE>unknown; it is more like a very complex machine, where certain things TE>VI>TE>can be adjusted with no detriment, as long as the person doing the TE>VI>TE>adjustments knows what he/she is doing. TE>VI>I have known many, many, many women over the last 20 years of my life TE>VI>who have been on the pill or other forms of hormones. Each of these TE>VI>women got messed up in some way. If you have been able to avoid any TE>VI>side effects for now, then I am very happy for you. But let me just TE>VI>remind you that four years is not a very long time to be on medication. TE>VI> And also you are still young so you don't know what lies ahead for TE>VI>you as your body matures. (Which is not to say that I wish you ill! ) TE>Did you know most of these women the past few years, or more than ten or TE>so years ago? Pills were not as advanced 15-20 years ago and were more TE>detrimental back then; there is a much larger variety of pills now, many TE>of them a lot safer than they were 2 decades ago, and with a good TE>gynecologist who knows how to prescribe correctly a woman can generally TE>avoid problems. Four years is actually a reasonably long time to be on TE>the pill. It's generally not recommended to be on the pill for more than TE>a few years at a time (or any hormone form of birth control); that is TE>why people opt for surgical means eventually rather than staying on TE>Norplant or something until menopause. True, I don't know what lies TE>ahead for my body, however the pill has not been shown to be a cause of TE>long-term side effects or diseases. There are women I know who were on various hormones very recently who became messed up. I really believe that if you take hormones you are asking for trouble! And I also believe that there has been a fairly well established that the pill can cause breast cancer and uterine cancer, which is a pretty serious side effect in my book! TE>VI>I disagree very strongly with your statement that you can make TE>VI>adjustments to human biology without grave, grave consequences. I TE>VI>think this kind of thinking is very, very dangerous. TE>Why do you think that we can't make adjustments to human biology without TE>grave consequences? We already HAVE, you know. Have you ever been TE>vaccinated? (I hope so!) Vaccinations are adjustments to human biology, TE>do you think that we are experiencing grave consequences from those? Humans are not divine. We have limited understanding and limited vision. It is impossible for us to monkey around with nature too much without causing trouble. Even vaccinations, which have so far been so beneficial to us may at some point cause grave problems. We just don't know. TE>Why do you think that this kind of thinking is so dangerous? Because it will inevitably result in the cheaping of human life--test tube babies, cloning, genetic manipulation--the whole shooting match. TE>I suspect that our different opinions on this matter lie in the fact TE>that you are religious, and I am not. You speak of "intended purpose" TE>when you speak of certain biological systems; that suggests that there TE>is "someone" behind the intentions. When I think about this kind of TE>thing, I think scientifically, I think about the mechanisms behind TE>biological functioning, and yes, I ponder about improvements that can be TE>made. I don't think that the fact that I am religious has much to do with this argument. While I do believe that G-d created human beings my belief in G-d is not essential to my belief that biological systems have an "intended purpose". Before I became religious I believed that the body evolved over time and that bodily functions reflected evolutionary choice. TE>If this is the case, then you and I just think about these things in TE>fundamentally different ways, so one of us can never convince the other! Of course we can't convince each other! That doesn't mean that we should stop talking to each other. :) When you spoke earlier about pondering what improvements can be made that in and of itself shows the fundamental difference! I think that it is just impossible for us to phantom all the consequences that might result from tinkering with nature. Date: Thursday, April 24, 1997 7:16am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 734279 To: Tempest Re: Sex with more than one (Reply to #734264, Reply to #734248, Reply to #734183, R*) (1 reply) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>LY>VI>SF>VI>That kind of gender ambuity in one person d TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>LY>VI>SF>VI>with a woman, I want a woman. When I am wi TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>LY>VI>SF>Or be with both simultaneously! TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>LY>VI>I have never tried that. I have never been with m TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>LY>VI>a time sexually. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>LY>Seems that Steve is more open-minded about this subj TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>I don't think so. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>I can't envision Steve ever having sex with someone who TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>every sense of the word. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>Well, you're open to sex with males or females. Steve see TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>to sex with more than one person..... TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>So, you're both more open minded about some things! TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>So it seems! It's not that I am closed minded when it comes TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>with more than one person. It's just that I can't imagine di TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>sexual attention on more than one person. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>But what if both of the other two people had all their sexual at TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>on you? :) TE>VI>TE>VI>Even that might not be so good for me. I find it hard to keep my m TE>VI>TE>VI>on more than one thing at a time. :) TE>VI>TE>But why not just close your eyes and revel in the feeling of all those TE>VI>TE>hands and tongues on you at the same time? :) TE>VI>Because I like looking! I almost always make love with the lights on. TE>VI>:) TE>Really? I like to make love with the lights off! Not that I don't enjoy TE>the view!! The view is wonderful! But sometimes seeing takes up too much TE>of my attention, when all I wanna do is FEEL! :) Really and truly. :) I get turned on by watching myself make love. :) Date: Thursday, April 24, 1997 7:16am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 734280 To: Tempest Re: Strap on's (Reply to #734265, Reply to #734249, Reply to #734184, R*) TE>VI>TE>VVI>TE>VI>Quite frankly the annus was designed to expel matters, not t TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>an object. If you use a body part in a manner for which it w TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>designed than you are asking for trouble. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Then I wonder why the anus contains extensions of the same nerve TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>as the genital area, giving the anus the same type and intensity TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>pleasure-on-contact as the genitals! TE>VI>TE>VI>You got me beat! :) TE>VI>TE>Goes to show that anatomy is not quite as straightforward as it may TE>VI>TE>seem! TE>VI>And maybe they are all there just to make you feel good after taking a TE>VI>shit after you've been constipated. :) TE>ROTFL!!! Makes good sense :) :) :) :) Date: Friday, April 25, 1997 3:15am Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 734382 To: Tempest Re: What does love have to do with sexual pleasure (Reply to #733999, Reply to #732431, Reply to #732352, R*) (3 replies) Planned sex usually bites.. or at the very least, doesn't go the way you planned it... Date: Friday, April 25, 1997 3:16am Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 734383 To: Tempest Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #734003, Reply to #732565, Reply to #732029, R*) (1 reply) EW!!! Brighton!!!! I was there one night with Kit and we saw a rat run by... rats are cool and stuff.. but I cant get romantic with vermon running around... Date: Friday, April 25, 1997 3:17am Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 734384 To: Tempest Re: shaving (Reply to #734085, Reply to #732850, Reply to #732578, R*) (1 reply) Gotta rough that shit up... I need to get some callusses (oh dear I can spell..) Date: Friday, April 25, 1997 6:50pm Forum: Xrated From: Nightbird Msg#: 734431 To: Synne Re: What does love have to do with sexual pleasure (Reply to #734382, Reply to #733999, Reply to #732431, R*) SY>Planned sex usually bites.. or at the very least, doesn't go the way you SY>planned it... I agree with you! --- þ OLX 2.1 TD þ þ KMail 3.0aa AMI - wonder, explore, communicate. Be exci Date: Tuesday, April 29, 1997 9:21pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 734597 To: Vida Re: shaving (Reply to #734271, Reply to #734256, Reply to #734238, R*) (1 reply) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>NI>LY>NI>I do sometimes shave my pubic area because I enjoy the VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>NI>LY>Do you really?? VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>NI>LY>Whenever I get talked into it, it takes me a while to get VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>NI>Sometimes I live to try something different VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>How can you stand it when it grows back???!!! Doesn't that irri VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>the hell out of you???? VI>TE>VI>TE>I dunno if it's the same with everyone as it is with me, but try ju VI>TE>VI>TE>shaving (like I said in a previous message) the bottom part with th VI>TE>VI>TE>slit, not the top part. With me, the hair growing back on the botto VI>TE>VI>TE>part doesn't irritate me at all, in fact I don't feel a thing, but VI>TE>VI>TE>top part gets irritated as hell. VI>TE>VI>All I can say is different strokes for different folks. I like the VI>TE>VI>"natural' look of a woman's pussy! :) VI>TE>Ohh hehhee I see :) With me I just like the smooth feeling everywhere, VI>TE>I really don't like body hair on myself at all! VI>Why not? It's an affirmation of our animal nature. :) And I constantly and firmly deny any accusation of my being an animal of any sort! (Except in certain circumstances, of course heheheh) Date: Tuesday, April 29, 1997 9:22pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 734598 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #734272, Reply to #734257, Reply to #734239, R*) (1 reply) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>LY>SF>Considering that there are more heterosexual males, I w VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>LY>SF>they have more sex of all kinds than gay males. By the VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>LY>SF>realize that there are cultures, especially in Africa w VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>LY>SF>regularly engage in anal intercourse as a means of eith VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>LY>SF>female's "virginity" or as a means of birthcontrol. VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>LY>Steve, I'm asking you a simple question - what percentage VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>LY>do you think engage in anal sex? VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>Those numbers have changed due to HIV/AIDS. VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>So why do you think the incidence of anal sex has decreased in t VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>male population due to HIV? Because safe sex education has taug VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>men that anal sex carries an additional risk of contracting HIV, VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>why!!! VI>TE>VI>TE>Additional risk when compared to oral sex, yes!! But not additional VI>TE>VI>TE>compared to vaginal sex, which gay men can't have anyway! VI>TE>VI>That's a mighty big assumption. Not all gay men are exclusively gay. VI>TE>Well, if a gay man is not exclusively gay, then he is bisexual, which VI>TE>means he's not gay! VI>Says you. I'm always right, though Date: Tuesday, April 29, 1997 9:23pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 734599 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #734273, Reply to #734258, Reply to #734240, R*) (2 replies) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>Annal tissue may or may not tear while vaginal tissue has mor VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>cells that are greater receptors of materials, so both are co VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>high risk for HIV transmission. VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>The muccus cells in a vagina act as a natural libracant, making VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>likely for annal tissue to tear. That greater likelihood that a VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>tissue will tear is what increases the risk of annal sex. VI>TE>VI>TE>Steve didn't really explain it correctly, but nevertheless he is ri VI>TE>VI>TE>The mucous cells in the vagina, yes they produce the lubricant. Wha VI>TE>VI>TE>makes vaginal sex just as risky as anal sex is NOT any risk of tear VI>TE>VI>TE>but the fact that the uterus is extremely vascular, (a fact you may VI>TE>VI>TE>notice on a monthly basis), it is lined with capillaries that absor VI>TE>VI>TE>bacteria and viruses quite easily, which is not only the reason why VI>TE>VI>TE>infection is likely, but is also the reason why women easily get ST VI>TE>VI>TE>and all sorts of vaginal infections, yeast infections, PID, etc. VI>TE>VI>And I still argue that vaginal sex is less risky than anal sex because VI>TE>VI>vaginas were designed to be penetrated. VI>TE>That is not a scientific explanation in any sense! VI>Who ever said I was a scientist? :) Well, u may not be a scientist, but science is the only thing that can provide explanations that make sense for these kinds of things! (Yes, that is only my opinion, I know you'll disagree with me!) Date: Tuesday, April 29, 1997 9:25pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 734600 To: Vida Re: shaving (Reply to #734274, Reply to #734259, Reply to #734242, R*) (1 reply) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>NI>VI>NI>LY>NI>I do sometimes shave my pubic area because I enjo VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>NI>VI>NI>LY>Do you really?? VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>NI>VI>NI>LY>Whenever I get talked into it, it takes me a while t VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>NI>VI>NI>Sometimes I live to try something different VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>NI>VI>How can you stand it when it grows back???!!! Doesn't tha VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>NI>VI>the hell out of you???? VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>NI>The first few times it did but now it doesn't bother me at al VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>NI>--- VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>All I can say is ouch! VI>TE>VI>TE>VI> But heck, I don't shave my underarms or my legs because the st VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>drives me crazy when it grows back! :) VI>TE>VI>TE>Then you shave it again while it's still in stubble form! VI>TE>VI>But why bother? To me the act of shaving your underarms and your legs VI>TE>VI>is a deliberate attempt to infantalize women...to pretend that you are VI>TE>VI>not an adult, but are a preadolescent girl. VI>TE>What?! That is a really weird way of looking at it! The purpose of VI>TE>shaving is to make skin smooth, because smooth skin feels GOOD!!! Even I VI>TE>feel myself up after I finish shaving! VI>And hairy skin also feels good. I really believe that the reason why VI>the "custom" of women shaving their legs and underarms started was to VI>infatalize women--it's the "political" reason I don't do either. I really don't think that politics have anything to do with shaving. And IMHO hairy skin feels good on a GUY! Date: Tuesday, April 29, 1997 9:27pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 734601 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #734275, Reply to #734260, Reply to #734243, R*) (1 reply) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>VI>SF>Annal tissue may or may not tear while vaginal tissue h VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>VI>SF>cells that are greater receptors of materials, so both VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>VI>SF>high risk for HIV transmission. VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>VI>The muccus cells in a vagina act as a natural libracant, m VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>VI>likely for annal tissue to tear. That greater likelihood VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>VI>tissue will tear is what increases the risk of annal sex. VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>Muccus cells also absorb better. VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>Lubrication, lubrication, lubrication is the key. That's why it VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>very well be possible that for post-menopausal women vaginal sex VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>as risky as anal sex. VI>TE>VI>TE>No it's not! Once that HIV+ sperm shoots into that uterus, there is VI>TE>VI>TE>amount of lubrication that will help that woman! VI>TE>VI>But the lubrication will mean that it is less likely to have tears and VI>TE>VI>other entries for the HIV to enter the bloodstream. VI>TE>Again, NO tears whatsoever in the vagina are necessary for HIV to enter VI>TE>the bloodstream. The intact uterus, lined with its very absorbent VI>TE>capillaries, is an excellent medium for the virus to enter the bloodstrea VI>TE>all by itself. VI>If the uterus is intact HIV would stay have to breach the barrier of VI>the outer level of the uterus. I am not saying this can't be done. I VI>am saying that the presence of tears provides an additional means for VI>the virus to enter the bloodstream. You're not hearing me, Vida. The lining of the uterus is NOT like skin - there is no barrier to be breached. The virus can enter uterine tissue just as easily as it can enter a tear. Date: Tuesday, April 29, 1997 9:29pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 734602 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #734277, Reply to #734262, Reply to #734245, R*) (1 reply) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>With all due respect, I know nothing about the credentials of VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>sex lecturer so I cannot comment, however, my personal/prfess VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>AIDS/HIV experience is over 11 years and that experience has VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>that 6 months is too before most previous assumptions are pro VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>much less 3 years. VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>Of course, our knowledge is always growing and expanding. VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>It just makes sense to me, from a purely anatomical point of vie VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>anal sex would be more risky than vaginal sex. As I previously VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>out, the anus was not designed to take in objects, but to expel VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>objects. The vagina, on the other hand, is designed to do both. VI>TE>VI>TE>I believe Steve is correct here. The design and subsequent use or m VI>TE>VI>TE>of a particular anatomical feature does not really have anything to VI>TE>VI>TE>with infection of any sort, as viral/bacterial infection is a VI>TE>VI>TE>physiological process, not an anatomical process. VI>TE>VI>You can't completely divorce phsiology from anatomy. I believe that VI>TE>VI>any use of any anatomical feature that deviates from the purpose from VI>TE>VI>which it was intended can bring about adverse consequences. VI>TE>Physiology really is a very separate world from anatomy. Anatomy is VI>TE>structure; physiology is function. The disease-causing action of a virus VI>TE>is functional, not structural. VI>But structure can affect function. True, but in the case of viral infections, the structure on a MOLECULAR level, of the virus and the cells being attacked, is what affects function, NOT structure on a large scale such as gross anatomy. VI>TE>Your argument that anal sex is more dangerous because the anus was not VI>TE>intended for entrance just has no scientific backing whatsoever! VI>That doesn't mean that it's not true. :) Doesn't mean it's true, either :) Date: Tuesday, April 29, 1997 9:45pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 734604 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #734278, Reply to #734263, Reply to #734247, R*) (1 reply) VVI>There are women I know who were on various hormones very recently who VI>became messed up. I really believe that if you take hormones you are VI>asking for trouble! And I also believe that there has been a fairly VI>well established that the pill can cause breast cancer and uterine VI>cancer, which is a pretty serious side effect in my book! Trouble is what I got when I was NOT on the pill (pregnancy then subsequent abortion). Since I have been on the pill, I have not been pregnant, so therefore hormones are keeping me OUT of trouble! I have never heard of the pill causing uterine or breast cancer. However I know that it is fairly well established that the pill helps PREVENT cervical cancer. VI>TE>VI>I disagree very strongly with your statement that you can make VI>TE>VI>adjustments to human biology without grave, grave consequences. I VI>TE>VI>think this kind of thinking is very, very dangerous. VI>TE>Why do you think that we can't make adjustments to human biology without VI>TE>grave consequences? We already HAVE, you know. Have you ever been VI>TE>vaccinated? (I hope so!) Vaccinations are adjustments to human biology, VI>TE>do you think that we are experiencing grave consequences from those? VI>Humans are not divine. We have limited understanding and limited VI>vision. It is impossible for us to monkey around with nature too much VI>without causing trouble. True, humans have limited understanding and vision. However, by "monkeying around" with nature, we are rapidly learning more about it, enabling us to "monkey around" with it further and decrease our chances of trouble. VI>Even vaccinations, which have so far been so beneficial to us may at VI>some point cause grave problems. We just don't know. VI> True, but why impede technology and knowledge because of FEAR? VI>TE>Why do you think that this kind of thinking is so dangerous? VI>Because it will inevitably result in the cheaping of human life--test VI>tube babies, cloning, genetic manipulation--the whole shooting match. And what's wrong with that? These new biotechnological advances are not necessarily "cheapening" life - rather they are making us understand that we are biological machines that can be improved upon, not some mysterious miracle that we know nothing about. VI>TE>I suspect that our different opinions on this matter lie in the fact VI>TE>that you are religious, and I am not. You speak of "intended purpose" VI>TE>when you speak of certain biological systems; that suggests that there VI>TE>is "someone" behind the intentions. When I think about this kind of VI>TE>thing, I think scientifically, I think about the mechanisms behind VI>TE>biological functioning, and yes, I ponder about improvements that can be VI>TE>made. VI>I don't think that the fact that I am religious has much to do with VI>this argument. While I do believe that G-d created human beings my VI>belief in G-d is not essential to my belief that biological systems VI>have an "intended purpose". VI>Before I became religious I believed that the body evolved over time VI>and that bodily functions reflected evolutionary choice. Yeah, but just the way you state your case implies a religious backing to it - for example your statement "humans are not divine" above - just using the word "divine" brings an aura of religion to it. Also, whichever way you put it: either God created us the way we are or we evolved this way: either way, we possess a relatively powerful brain, and to avoid using it to figure ourselves out would be a shame and a waste. VI>TE>If this is the case, then you and I just think about these things in VI>TE>fundamentally different ways, so one of us can never convince the other! VI>Of course we can't convince each other! That doesn't mean that we VI>should stop talking to each other. :) True :) VI>When you spoke earlier about pondering what improvements can be made VI>that in and of itself shows the fundamental difference! I think that VI>it is just impossible for us to phantom all the consequences that might VI>result from tinkering with nature. It's impossible for us not to tinker. God, or evolution, or whatever, provided us with a highly developed brain and plenty of natural curiosity. That is what differentiates us from animals: we tinker and try to figure ourselves out, it's in our nature. Date: Tuesday, April 29, 1997 9:46pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 734605 To: Vida Re: Sex with more than one (Reply to #734279, Reply to #734264, Reply to #734248, R*) (2 replies) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>LY>VI>SF>VI>That kind of gender ambuity in one perso VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>LY>VI>SF>VI>with a woman, I want a woman. When I am VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>LY>VI>SF>Or be with both simultaneously! VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>LY>VI>I have never tried that. I have never been wit VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>LY>VI>a time sexually. VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>LY>Seems that Steve is more open-minded about this s VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>I don't think so. VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>I can't envision Steve ever having sex with someone VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>every sense of the word. VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>Well, you're open to sex with males or females. Steve VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>to sex with more than one person..... VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>So, you're both more open minded about some things! VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>So it seems! It's not that I am closed minded when it com VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>with more than one person. It's just that I can't imagine VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>sexual attention on more than one person. VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>But what if both of the other two people had all their sexual VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>on you? :) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>Even that might not be so good for me. I find it hard to keep m VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>on more than one thing at a time. :) VI>TE>VI>TE>But why not just close your eyes and revel in the feeling of all th VI>TE>VI>TE>hands and tongues on you at the same time? :) VI>TE>VI>Because I like looking! I almost always make love with the lights on. VI>TE>VI>:) VI>TE>Really? I like to make love with the lights off! Not that I don't enjoy VI>TE>the view!! The view is wonderful! But sometimes seeing takes up too much VI>TE>of my attention, when all I wanna do is FEEL! :) VI>Really and truly. :) I get turned on by watching myself make love. :) ROTFL! I don't, it makes me laugh, watching myself make love just looks too weird :) Date: Tuesday, April 29, 1997 9:47pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 734606 To: Synne Re: What does love have to do with sexual pleasure (Reply to #734382, Reply to #733999, Reply to #732431, R*) SY>Planned sex usually bites.. or at the very least, doesn't go the way you SY>planned it... I figured so... sex is the most fun when it's completely spontaneous! Date: Tuesday, April 29, 1997 9:48pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 734607 To: Synne Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #734383, Reply to #734003, Reply to #732565, R*) (1 reply) SY>EW!!! Brighton!!!! I was there one night with Kit and we saw a rat run SY>by... rats are cool and stuff.. but I cant get romantic with vermon SY>running around... I never seen rats there! I dunno, beaches to me are really romantic even if they're not too clean, cause I tend to concentrate on the night sky, the ocean, the view, not on the sand/dirt whatever. Date: Tuesday, April 29, 1997 9:49pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 734609 To: Synne Re: shaving (Reply to #734384, Reply to #734085, Reply to #732850, R*) (1 reply) SY>Gotta rough that shit up... I need to get some callusses (oh dear I can SY>spell..) Callouses on your genitals?! Wow I would be really impressed :) Date: Tuesday, April 29, 1997 10:06pm Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 734612 To: Tempest Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #734607, Reply to #734383, Reply to #734003, R*) They are romantic! But for me.. even with a gorgeous sky and the sound of the waves... if there's a cigarette butt making its way up my own butt.. or a rat prancing around... I sort of.. "go limp" :-I :-) Date: Tuesday, April 29, 1997 10:07pm Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 734613 To: Tempest Re: shaving (Reply to #734609, Reply to #734384, Reply to #734085, R*) (1 reply) muahahha "the signs of a REAL woman!" Date: Thursday, May 1, 1997 11:48pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 734764 To: ** ALL ** Re: Multiple Orgasms (Copy by Calvin, Reply to #734616, Reply to #734525, Rep*) (2 replies) -------------< COMMENTS BY Calvin >-------------- TO: Synne ----------< END OF COMMENTS BY Calvin >---------- SY>Multiple orgasms?? GIMME! Or let me know where I can get me some!! Don't even tell me you don't get multiple orgasms!!! Wow, if not, you need to have a serious training session with your man! heheheh Or... GIVE YOU? ME GIVE YOU? Welll... heh heh heh Date: Saturday, May 3, 1997 8:28pm Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 734817 To: Tempest Re: Multiple Orgasms (Reply to #734764, Copy by Calvin, Reply to #734616, Rep*) (2 replies) Okay.. so... this multiple orgasm thing is still a mystery to me... I think I might have had them :-I but I'm not sure if its like boomboomboom.. or if its just like having an orgasm... then doing what you gotta do to have another.. boom... doing whatever again.. etc.. You know? I mean.. is it something your body just kind of does.. or do you have to work for it each time? Date: Sunday, May 4, 1997 2:43pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 734834 To: Vida Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #732412, Reply to #732346, Reply to #732297, R*) (1 reply) VI>LY>VI>LY>VI>And some person that I can think of get sexually turned on by VI>LY>VI>LY>VI>fantasizing that they will get caught! VI>LY>VI>LY>Yeah! VI>LY>VI>LY>Like me! heheheee VI>LY>VI>LY>A year or so ago we made love outdoors, right at the end of a path VI>LY>VI>LY>pond. But, it was in the middle of nowhere at the end of a 3 mile VI>LY>VI>LY>About two seconds after we got dressed, two mountain bikers emerged VI>LY>VI>LY>always did wonder what they'd seen. hehheee VI>LY>VI>Wondered or hoped? :) VI>LY>You know me too well! Both, of course. VI>That's kinda what I thought. :) Hey, knowing that someone may see IS part of the fun about being an exhibitionist, you know! Date: Sunday, May 4, 1997 2:44pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 734835 To: Vida Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #732413, Reply to #732347, Reply to #732298, R*) (2 replies) VI>LY>I never have thought that three is a good number....two two's are so VI>LY>much better. VI>That too me would be even MORE distracting than a threesome!!! I can't VI>imagine being able to focus at all with a foursome. Oh, but I said two two's..... A foursome is quite a different thing! Date: Sunday, May 4, 1997 2:44pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 734836 To: Vida Re: Playing with DrPax (Reply to #732414, Reply to #732348, Reply to #732299, R*) (1 reply) VI>LY>Okay, I know I'm stuck with cute, but I'd sure like to be gorgeous and VI>LY>sexy! hehehehe VI>Well I think you're gorgeous and sexy too! :) Uh oh! heheheee Date: Sunday, May 4, 1997 2:45pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 734837 To: Vida Re: Sex with more than one (Reply to #732415, Reply to #732349, Reply to #732300, R*) (1 reply) VI>LY>Sometimes being distracted can be fun - wouldn't you like to be VI>LY>distracted by a beautiful woman and Bob? VI>Actually if I was with a beautiful woman I would probably want to have VI>her for myself! :) Hmmmmmmmmmm. Wouldja let Bob watch at least? (ducking!) VI>LY>Maybe because the focus is on their brain? (I'd better start ducking VI>LY>from ALL of them!) VI>No, because their focus is on their pricks! ??? Isn't that what I just said? Date: Sunday, May 4, 1997 2:46pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 734838 To: Vida Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #732417, Reply to #732357, Reply to #732336, R*) (1 reply) VI>LY>VI>I don't see how it is possible to get involved in a nonexclusive sexua VI>LY>VI>relationship WITHOUT someone getting jealous somewhere along the way. VI>LY>Jealousy is related to insecurity. If you're totally secure that your VI>LY>significant other IS yours, you can then share that love without VI>LY>worrying that it will diminish. VI>Well then I could NEVER share that love...I am much too insecure in my VI>core! Well, I've always said polyamory isn't for everyone! Date: Sunday, May 4, 1997 2:50pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 734839 To: Synne Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #732428, Reply to #732336, Reply to #732311, R*) (1 reply) SY>I've thought about it idealistically... the third person would SY>understand and accept that me and my b/f had a relationship, and that SY>person would only be an extension of it... and want nothing more than to Actually, Danakins, that can and does happen. There are women who are bi and for various reasons want a relatinship with a couple. I know one couple who's had a relatinship with a woman for well over 10 years. I know another woman who was in a live in relatinship with a couple. I know a guy who has two wives - he married both of them, although not legally. Yet. And, I know women who have had more casual friendships with a couple which were more than platonic. SY>Either I'd want to be with her alone and the guy would be hurt, or they SY>would want to be with each other and I'd be hurt, or two of us would end SY>up paying more attention to each other and the third would get SY>worried... See, this is why you probably should keep this all a fantasy...this sort of thing only works if everyone involved is okay with it...better would be if everyone involved *is* involved in it and not a partner of someone who is exploring on their own. SY>there are too many ways for that to get fucked up.. and as much as I SY>fantasize about it, I don't think its worth the risk. SY>Wow. I said it. There was a time when I was fighting with guys I was SY>dating about this... it was like "You just have to understand that this SY>is part of my life and being with a female is different from being with SY>a male..." Maybe... but they were right. Its too difficult to work it SY>all out. Date: Sunday, May 4, 1997 2:51pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 734840 To: Synne Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #732430, Reply to #732351, Reply to #732311, R*) (1 reply) SY>Well, I'm not sure it would be possible for me. I have an extraordinary SY>imagination... and as much I love Rob, I would be jealous... or he would SY>be... or something. Well, jealousy is definitely not good! And, polyamory definitely isn't for people who are jealous. SY>Thats great if you feel that secure. Would be nice if everyone did... Yeah, it would be - I sometimes think the divorce rate would be a lot lower too! Date: Sunday, May 4, 1997 2:53pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 734841 To: Synne Re: What does love have to do with sexual pleasure (Reply to #732431, Reply to #732352, Reply to #732312, R*) (1 reply) SY>No inhibitions sex can be had with someone you love -- of course! :-) SY>I meant.. dont give a fuck if you hurt them (emotionally.. or SY>physically.. eh hem)... just dont give a fuck... I have trouble SY>describing it... its just kind of a "feeling"... Kind of like you're a SY>different person, and they don't know you, you don't know them, and SY>tomorrow no part of this will matter... (as long as ur careful, SY>anyway..) With someone you love, there is always a tomorrow.. Oh... I haven't had that kind of sex in years - since I was 23 and went through a pretty wild year after a divorce. As much fun as it was, the kind of sex I have with people I love is so much better I'd never want to do THAT again! SY>It is funny... and you don't always know how its going to end up when SY>you start.. I have lit a zillion candles, laid out blankets on the SY>floor, picked the "right" music.. totally set a mood... and then it SY>turns into something entirely different... Different how? Hmmmmmmmmmm! We almost always have a billion candles lit lately, along with a fire if it's cold enough..... SY>Ever have sex when the two of you just cant stop laughing no matter what SY>you do? That pisses me off :-) Why does it piss you off??? I think laughing in bed is fun! Date: Sunday, May 4, 1997 2:54pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 734842 To: Synne Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #732432, Reply to #732353, Reply to #732313, R*) (1 reply) SY>I'll keep an eye on the humidity... maybe next time I see you it'll be a SY>real humid day... hot... and.... sticky... And, curly? Date: Sunday, May 4, 1997 2:54pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 734843 To: Synne Re: Massage lotion (Reply to #732433, Reply to #732354, Reply to #732314, R*) (1 reply) SY>I love being massaged with oil or lotion... only problem is, it SY>sometimes makes me relaxed and sleepy when its intended to make me hot SY>:-I Don't worry - we have an ice maker. Ahem. Date: Sunday, May 4, 1997 2:54pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 734844 To: Synne Re: The Goddess Of Lust (Reply to #732434, Reply to #732356, Reply to #732318, R*) (1 reply) SY>Poor kid, he wouldn't even know what hit him! hahahah Do you really want to??? Date: Sunday, May 4, 1997 2:56pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 734845 To: Nightbird Re: Well don't wake up the neighbors! (Reply to #732513, Reply to #732085, Reply to #732047, F*) (2 replies) NI>LY>NI>TE>A>TE>FA>a-loud indeed! :) NI>LY>NI>TE>FA>TE>Hehheheheh! Very loud :> NI>LY>NI>TE>FA>well dont wake the neighbors! NI>LY>NI>TE>Why not? Not my fault they don't know how to have fun :) NI>LY>NI>Please, I'm suprised my neighbors haven't complanted about Steve & I! NI>LY>I know what you mean - luckily our neighbors are empty lots, a church NI>LY>and a nursing home. NI>It's good to know I'm not the only screamer on this board I have a funny feeling quite a few of us are. Date: Sunday, May 4, 1997 2:56pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 734846 To: Nightbird Re: shaving (Reply to #732514, Reply to #732086, Reply to #732048, C*) (1 reply) NI>LY>NI>I do sometimes shave my pubic area because I enjoy the extra feeling! NI>LY>Do you really?? NI>LY>Whenever I get talked into it, it takes me a while to get used to! NI>Sometimes I live to try something different Have you ever tried a heart shape instead of totally shaved? I like that a LOT better. Date: Sunday, May 4, 1997 2:57pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 734847 To: Don Re: Can't enjoy sex (Reply to #732533, Reply to #732342, Reply to #732284, R*) DO>³LL> female enjoying it is possible. Nor, do they care, I have a feeling DO>³LL> that sort of man is the type who buys blow up dolls or goes to hookers. DO>³LL> DO>ÔÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ DO> You caught me... With the blow up dolls or the hookers? hehehee Date: Sunday, May 4, 1997 2:58pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 734848 To: Don Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #732537, Reply to #732413, Reply to #732347, R*) DO>³VV> That too me would be even MORE distracting than a threesome!!! I can't DO>³VV> imagine being able to focus at all with a foursome. DO>ÔÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ DO> I don't know, two two's sound exciting...but the couples don't DO> have to play with each other, rather concentrate on their DO> partners but every now and again, gaze over and see what's DO> happenen over der.... Exactly. The combinations with two two's are only limited by imagination(s). Date: Sunday, May 4, 1997 2:58pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 734849 To: Don Re: One uniquely designed female sex organ (Reply to #732544, Reply to #732343, Reply to #732285, R*) DO>³LL> Hey yourself! DO>³LL> DO>³LL> I said some men have more than one brain! DO>ÔÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ DO> I know...just yanking your... Hey! I don't HAVE one of those! Date: Sunday, May 4, 1997 2:59pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 734850 To: Synne Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #732565, Reply to #732029, Reply to #732023, R*) (1 reply) SY>I've had sex on beaches that weren't private... So have we.... Date: Sunday, May 4, 1997 3:00pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 734851 To: Vida Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #732585, Reply to #732564, Reply to #732437, R*) (1 reply) VI>SY>Actually... there was a time in my life when I wouldn't have minded VI>SY>being an "accessory" to a relationship... during that time, physical VI>SY>pleasure and doing whatever felt good at that moment was was interested VI>SY>me most... but now my priorities are a little different. VI>Don't see how you were ever able to do it. I would be insanely jealous VI>of the couple, I think. Why? After all, the couple only has one playmate in a threesome and the woman would have two. Date: Sunday, May 4, 1997 3:01pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 734852 To: Steve Flur Re: Strap on's (Reply to #732634, Reply to #732195, Reply to #732126, R*) (1 reply) SF>LY>SF>Considering that there are more heterosexual males, I would think that SF>LY>SF>they have more sex of all kinds than gay males. By the way, do you SF>LY>SF>realize that there are cultures, especially in Africa where couples SF>LY>SF>regularly engage in anal intercourse as a means of either preserving t SF>LY>SF>female's "virginity" or as a means of birthcontrol. SF>LY>Steve, I'm asking you a simple question - what percentage of gay males SF>LY>do you think engage in anal sex? SF>Those numbers have changed due to HIV/AIDS. Great! This is like the sixth time I"ve asked now. Would you care to give me those numbers yet? Date: Sunday, May 4, 1997 3:07pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 734853 To: Vida Re: Having my cock sucked (Reply to #733180, Reply to #733136, Reply to #733064, R*) (2 replies) VI>Whatever you might do sexually is NOT the same thing as having your VI>pussy eaten. Just like nothing I do sexually could ever possibly be VI>the same as having my cock sucked. Ummmmm. Unless it was a strap on! (ducking BIG time! hehehee) I hate those things, don't you? Date: Sunday, May 4, 1997 3:09pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 734854 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #733363, Reply to #733321, Reply to #732709, R*) (2 replies) VI>Heck, I do lots of not so safe things sexually! For example, I would VI>never use a dental dam or other barrier for oral sex. I mean, what VI>would be the point? That's for sure! I've never been able to get good statistics on the risks of oral sex, though... Date: Sunday, May 4, 1997 3:11pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 734855 To: Tempest Re: fuck friends and electric pussies (Reply to #733973, Reply to #731750, Reply to #717422, R*) (1 reply) TE>LLY>Well, yeah. Sex is fun, but it's not a relationship. At this point in TE>LY>my life, I have no interest in sex without being able to talk to the TE>LY>person before, after and during! TE>During? What do you talk about during? :) Depends on the mood, doesn't it? Might be more, more or it might be I love you or it might be harder, harder..... Date: Sunday, May 4, 1997 3:11pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 734856 To: Tempest Re: Pervert shirt (Reply to #733974, Reply to #731753, Reply to #717425, R*) (1 reply) TE>LY>FA>LY>(sigh) An old crone of 40 and he's still calling me cute! TE>LY>FA>I would have to honestly say you sure dont ACT like a 40 yr old...and TE>LY>FA>thats a good thing too! :) TE>LY>Must be all that Geritol people are telling me to take! TE>Don't forget the Ensure >:) Are you trying to say I'm full of shit? Women! Date: Sunday, May 4, 1997 3:12pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 734857 To: Tempest Re: Sex with more than one (Reply to #733976, Reply to #731778, Reply to #731744, R*) TE>VI>LY>Well, you're open to sex with males or females. Steve seems to be ope TE>VI>LY>to sex with more than one person..... TE>VI>LY>So, you're both more open minded about some things! TE>VI>So it seems! It's not that I am closed minded when it comes to sex TE>VI>with more than one person. It's just that I can't imagine dividing my TE>VI>sexual attention on more than one person. TE>But what if both of the other two people had all their sexual attention TE>on you? :) Oh, now THAT can be fun......too bad it doesn't happen more often. Date: Sunday, May 4, 1997 6:53pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 734859 To: Tempest Re: Pervert shirt (Reply to #733979, Reply to #731844, Reply to #717694, R*) (1 reply) TE>LY>TE>LY>TE>Yeah, Antique Boutique and the surrounding stores. The Pervert s TE>LY>TE>LY>TE>are part of the new funky stuff. :) TE>LY>TE>LY>TE>And yeah, they got 'em for men, they had these funky tank tops f TE>LY>TE>LY>TE>that say Pervert with a big number 69 :) TE>LY>TE>LY>ROTFL! I should get that for Ed. TE>LY>TE>Heheheh I saw another Pervert shirt the other day that I liked - this TE>LY>TE>was actually a regular tee shirt so it was (only heh) 35 bux. It says TE>LY>TE>Absolut Pervert (same print like Absolut Vodka) 100% Pure. Something t TE>LY>TE>that effect. I liked that one :) TE>LY>I NEED IT! TE>So do I!!! Nah, it has to suit you. Considering your ideas on some things, you should get a shirt that says "CONSERVATIVE" instead of PERVERT! Date: Sunday, May 4, 1997 6:54pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 734861 To: Tempest Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #733981, Reply to #731868, Reply to #724704, C*) (1 reply) TE>LY>VI>SC>VI>I'm not married, but I sill indulge in indoor recreation activit TE>LY>VI>SC>Outdoor "recreation activities" can be pretty interesting also :) TE>LY>VI>As long as you don't get caught. :) TE>LY>Ack! TE>LY>But, wondering if you'll be caught every second is exactly what's so TE>LY>much fun about outdoor activities! TE>I almost got caught by cops that way once! (I think I mentioned that one TE>before) So, what happened? Didja...umm....talk (ahem) them out of it? Date: Sunday, May 4, 1997 6:55pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 734862 To: Tempest Re: Emergency Sexual Services (Reply to #733983, Reply to #731875, Reply to #726510, F*) (1 reply) TE>LY>TE>Well, what did you expect, this is Emergency Medical Services, not TE>LY>TE>Emergency Sexual Services (although I do the latter as well hehehehe > TE>LY>So, exactly what Emergency Sexual Services do you perform, wench? TE>I fix the big hoses and make them drain out when they are clogged by TE>lubing the entire thing in one of my hose containers! Stealing lines from Groucho Marx, are you? Do I *look* like Margaret Dumont to you? Humph! Date: Sunday, May 4, 1997 6:56pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 734863 To: Tempest Re: Sex with more than one (Reply to #733984, Reply to #731885, Reply to #731778, R*) TE>LY>VI>So it seems! It's not that I am closed minded when it comes to sex TE>LY>VI>with more than one person. It's just that I can't imagine dividing my TE>LY>VI>sexual attention on more than one person. TE>LY>Why think of it that way? TE>LY>Turn it around and think of two people paying attention only to you. TE>LY> TE>Heheheh GMTA! Nah, just reminiscing! Heh Date: Sunday, May 4, 1997 6:56pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 734864 To: Tempest Re: Strap on's (Reply to #733985, Reply to #732001, Reply to #731981, R*) (2 replies) TE>LLY>Are you really going to tell me that gay men don't have anal intercourse TE>LY>regularly? TE>Actually, from what I understand, a lot of gay men really don't have TE>anal intercourse, but rather just oral. I'm sure some do. But, Steve Flur sure doesn't seem to want to answer this question! Date: Sunday, May 4, 1997 6:57pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 734865 To: Tempest Re: Well don't wake up the neighbors! (Reply to #733987, Reply to #732047, Fw by Lythande, Rep*) (1 reply) TE>NI>TE>FA>well dont wake the neighbors! TE>NI>TE>Why not? Not my fault they don't know how to have fun :) TE>NI>Please, I'm suprised my neighbors haven't complanted about Steve & I! TE>Not only am I surprised that the neighbors haven't complained, I'm TE>surprised that they haven't called the cops on us :) ROTFLMAO! I can just imagine the cops showing up and DTI answering the door carrying his samurai sword and shotgun with you restrained in The Chair. Think they'd notice? Date: Sunday, May 4, 1997 6:58pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 734866 To: Tempest Re: What does love have to do with sexual pleasure (Reply to #733988, Reply to #732075, Reply to #731865, R*) (1 reply) TE>Very good point... having sex with someone u don't know from a hole in TE>the wall while drunk as all hell IS pretty damn fun... :) Ya think? I haven't done that since I was about your age. Sure was fun back then, though. Was also pre-AIDs (sigh) Date: Sunday, May 4, 1997 6:59pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 734867 To: Tempest Re: Yes, Mistress (Reply to #733989, Reply to #732084, Reply to #732044, C*) (1 reply) TE>LY>TE>DT>TE>T>TE>T>TE>DT> i said dont m TE>LY>TE>DT>TE>DT>TE>DT>TE>DT>bitch. asking for another is TE>LY>TE>DT>TE>DT>TE>DT>TE> Oh, Thank You, plea TE>LY>TE>DT>TE>DT>TE>DT> NOISE NOISE NOISE GODDAMMIT SHUT THE FUCK UP LY>TE>DT>TE>DT>TE>DT>pulling> TE>LY>TE>DT>TE>DT>TE>LY>TE>DT>TE>DT>TE>Don't stop, pleeease... TE>LY>TE>DT>TE>DT> HOW in the FUCK can you still make NOISE LY>TE>DT>TE>DT>throat and face, yanking down, thumbs jammed inwards...> TE>LY>TE>DT>TE>LY>TE>DT>TE>arms> TE>LY>TE>DT> well at least you shut the fuck up finally, jesus christ... LY>TE>DT>off throat, fuckfinger jammed in cunt; thumb free to press in hard TE>LY>TE>DT>directly upon clit> TE>LY>TE>LY>TE>hand on throat while attempting to engulf dick in mouth> TE>LY>I was catching up in /Fetish and just couldn't resist. Ahem. TE>Oh, I was wondering how that got in here... :) TE>Did you enjoy the show? >:) Not really. I'm not into watching unless I can join in, you see. hehehehe But, I have a feeling others here would enjoy it, so.... Date: Sunday, May 4, 1997 7:00pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 734868 To: Tempest Re: shaving (Reply to #733990, Reply to #732086, Reply to #732048, C*) (1 reply) TE>LY>NI>I do sometimes shave my pubic area because I enjoy the extra feeling! TE>LY>Do you really?? TE>LY>Whenever I get talked into it, it takes me a while to get used to! TE>Shaving the bottom part (the part with the slit) is definately good, I TE>shave it all the time, it definately feels better when it's smooth! Tell my husband that! I prefer a heart that leaves that exact area bare, but he prefers it all bare. Men! Date: Sunday, May 4, 1997 7:01pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 734869 To: Tempest Re: What does love have to do with sexual pleasure? (Reply to #733991, Reply to #732089, Reply to #731867, R*) (1 reply) TE>VI>LY>VI>DO> What does love have to do with sexual pleasure? ;) TE>VI>LY>VI>DO>--- TE>VI>LY>VI>In theory, nothing. I practice, everything in the world. :) TE>VI>LY>I agree with you - it has EVERYTHING to do with it! TE>VI>That's because you experience the most intense sexual pleasure when you TE>VI>are both literally and figuratively making love. TE>And you really are literally making love... you ever notice how, after TE>making love with the one you love, you love them even more? :) Um hum. It's because all of you is involved, not just your physical senses, but your inner being. Date: Sunday, May 4, 1997 7:02pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 734870 To: Tempest Re: What does love have to do with sexual pleasure (Reply to #733993, Reply to #732197, Reply to #732165, R*) (1 reply) TE>LLY>Yeah, I guess. But, sometimes really hard, hot, even almost violent sex TE>LY>with someone you love can be interesting.... Doesn't always have to be TE>LY>soft and romantic and sweet. TE>Hard, hot, violent sex with someone you love is the best fucking thing TE>in the world!!! Not sure we agree on this one, Kat. As much as I like hard, hot, violent sex if I'm in that sort of mood, I also love slow, gentle, sensuous lovemaking.... Date: Sunday, May 4, 1997 7:03pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 734871 To: Tempest Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #733995, Reply to #732336, Reply to #732311, R*) (1 reply) TE>Yeah... a lot of my relationships have been nonexclusive, and although TE>it can be fun (nice sense of freedom) they are much more complicated TE>emotionally, with jealousy and such... my current one is now on a very TE>quick path to exclusivity, which I think is a very good thing... On a very quick path to? Date: Sunday, May 4, 1997 7:03pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 734872 To: Vida Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #732336, Reply to #732311, Reply to #732189, R*) (2 replies) VI>SY>And be sure that no feelings of jealousy would arise? And that another VI>SY>countless things wouldn't fuck up their relationship? VI>SY>I dont know if those are the things Vida meant.. but I've thought about VI>SY>it so many times.. and everytime I thought about it, I didn't see any VI>SY>possible way for things not to get fucked up. VI>SY>unfortunately... VI>That's EXACTLY how I feel! VI>I don't see how it is possible to get involved in a nonexclusive sexual VI>relationship WITHOUT someone getting jealous somewhere along the way. It's possible. But, complete trust and very open communication are necessary. Date: Sunday, May 4, 1997 7:05pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 734873 To: Tempest Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #733996, Reply to #732351, Reply to #732311, R*) (1 reply) TE>LLY>When a couple has a really strong love, nothing is going to break that TE>LY>bond. And, there can't and won't be any jealousy. Jealousy doesn't TE>LY>exist when you're 100% sure that your love is absolute. Once people TE>LY>have reached that place, anything they do together only enhances the TE>LY>love they have together. TE>No way!! From my experience, if I truly love someone, jealousy goes TE>right along with it, and is something I have to deal with in my own TE>mind, it's like an unfortunate side effect of love (love being a truly TE>incredible thing in itself). I kinda find that the more I love someone, TE>the more of my own jealousy I have to deal with! It sucks, but I guess TE>it's in my nature. :( Well, some (most?) people are like that. But, not all. As far as I can tell, it takes a while to reach a place where jealousy goes away...you may feel differently in 5 years or 10 years. Or, you may always feel like that. Most of the people I know who have gotten past jealousy have been together well over 10 or even 15 years. Date: Sunday, May 4, 1997 7:06pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 734874 To: Tempest Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #733997, Reply to #732357, Reply to #732336, R*) (1 reply) TE>LLY>Jealousy is related to insecurity. If you're totally secure that your TE>LY>significant other IS yours, you can then share that love without TE>LY>worrying that it will diminish. TE>I think that's part of it, (jealousy being related to insecurity), but TE>not totally. I think some people are just more prone to jealousy (the TE>unfortunate ones like myself) than others. See, I don't understand this! If you're positive that your S.O. loves you, is committed to you and that your relatinship is solid, why would you worry about them ever wanting someone else? Date: Sunday, May 4, 1997 7:07pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 734875 To: Tempest Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #734002, Reply to #732537, Reply to #732413, R*) (1 reply) TE>DO>³VV> That too me would be even MORE distracting than a threesome!!! I ca TE>DO>³VV> imagine being able to focus at all with a foursome. TE>DO>ÔÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ TE>DO> I don't know, two two's sound exciting...but the couples don't TE>DO> have to play with each other, rather concentrate on their TE>DO> partners but every now and again, gaze over and see what's TE>DO> happenen over der.... TE>Yeah, and yell out tips to each other :) TE>Hehhe but yeah I've done it that way, and it's fun... Oh? When was that??? Date: Sunday, May 4, 1997 7:09pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 734876 To: Tempest Re: Sex with more than one (Reply to #734183, Reply to #734143, Reply to #733976, R*) (1 reply) TE>VI>TE>But what if both of the other two people had all their sexual attentio TE>VI>TE>on you? :) TE>VI>Even that might not be so good for me. I find it hard to keep my mind TE>VI>on more than one thing at a time. :) TE>But why not just close your eyes and revel in the feeling of all those TE>hands and tongues on you at the same time? :) Especially if you're tied up and blindfolded and can't help but concentrate on feeling... Date: Sunday, May 4, 1997 7:11pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 734877 To: Vida Re: shaving (Reply to #734242, Reply to #734007, Reply to #732710, R*) (1 reply) VI>TE>Then you shave it again while it's still in stubble form! VI>But why bother? To me the act of shaving your underarms and your legs VI>is a deliberate attempt to infantalize women...to pretend that you are VI>not an adult, but are a preadolescent girl. OY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Is that why men shave too? Date: Sunday, May 4, 1997 7:13pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 734878 To: Synne Re: Planned sex (Reply to #734382, Reply to #733999, Reply to #732431, R*) (1 reply) SY>Planned sex usually bites.. or at the very least, doesn't go the way you SY>planned it... Why would you plan sex? Date: Sunday, May 4, 1997 7:15pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 734880 To: Tempest Re: Watching myself make love (Reply to #734605, Reply to #734279, Reply to #734264, R*) (1 reply) TE>VI>TE>VI>Because I like looking! I almost always make love with the lights TE>VI>TE>VI>:) TE>VI>TE>Really? I like to make love with the lights off! Not that I don't enjo TE>VI>TE>the view!! The view is wonderful! But sometimes seeing takes up too mu TE>VI>TE>of my attention, when all I wanna do is FEEL! :) TE>VI>Really and truly. :) I get turned on by watching myself make love. :) TE>ROTFL! I don't, it makes me laugh, watching myself make love just looks TE>too weird :) I know what you mean! I seem to be the only one who doesn't enjoy the full wall mirror in our bedroom. Date: Sunday, May 4, 1997 7:16pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 734881 To: Tempest Re: Multiple Orgasms (Reply to #734764, Copy by Calvin, Reply to #734616, Rep*) TE>SY>Multiple orgasms?? GIMME! Or let me know where I can get me some!! TE>Don't even tell me you don't get multiple orgasms!!! Wow, if not, you TE>need to have a serious training session with your man! heheheh That's for sure! Date: Sunday, May 4, 1997 7:17pm Forum: Xrated From: Lythande Msg#: 734882 To: Synne Re: Multiple Orgasms (Reply to #734817, Reply to #734764, Copy by Calvin, Rep*) (1 reply) SY>Okay.. so... this multiple orgasm thing is still a mystery to me... I SY>think I might have had them :-I but I'm not sure if its like SY>boomboomboom.. or if its just like having an orgasm... then doing what SY>you gotta do to have another.. boom... doing whatever again.. etc.. You SY>know? SY>I mean.. is it something your body just kind of does.. or do you have to SY>work for it each time? PLEASE tell me you're not serious, Dana! For me, at least, multiple orgasms means that I have trouble stopping.... NOT trouble starting. WORK for it??? Date: Monday, May 5, 1997 2:34am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 734904 To: Synne Re: shaving (Reply to #734613, Reply to #734609, Reply to #734384, R*) SY>muahahha "the signs of a REAL woman!" ROTFL! True >:) Date: Monday, May 5, 1997 2:37am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 734905 To: Synne Re: Multiple Orgasms (Reply to #734817, Reply to #734764, Copy by Calvin, Rep*) (1 reply) SY>Okay.. so... this multiple orgasm thing is still a mystery to me... I SY>think I might have had them :-I but I'm not sure if its like SY>boomboomboom.. or if its just like having an orgasm... then doing what SY>you gotta do to have another.. boom... doing whatever again.. etc.. You SY>know? SY>I mean.. is it something your body just kind of does.. or do you have to SY>work for it each time? Hmmm.. u know it's hard to say... I guess it can happen either way... for me it happens when I am REALLY horny and the guy is doing a REALLY fuckin good job... >:) You might have had them and not realized them as being multiple orgasms, it's harder to tell these things on a girl than on a guy! Date: Monday, May 5, 1997 2:38am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 734906 To: Lythande Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #734835, Reply to #732413, Reply to #732347, R*) LY>VI>LY>I never have thought that three is a good number....two two's are so LY>VI>LY>much better. LY>VI>That too me would be even MORE distracting than a threesome!!! I can't LY>VI>imagine being able to focus at all with a foursome. LY>Oh, but I said two two's..... A foursome is quite a different thing! That's what I've done, two two's. It's kinda fun, but I can't say it's anything special. Date: Monday, May 5, 1997 2:40am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 734907 To: Lythande Re: Playing with DrPax (Reply to #732348, Reply to #732299, Reply to #732190, R*) LY>VI>LY>VI>LY>Why, of course! Isn't that why you love me? LY>VI>LY>VI>It's ONE of the reasons! :) LY>VI>LY>Uh oh! LY>VI>LY>What are the other ones? LY>VI>There are so many! Mainly it is because you are a good friend. Also LY>VI>I love you because you are smart and because you are cute. :) LY>(sigh!) LY>Okay, I know I'm stuck with cute, but I'd sure like to be gorgeous and LY>sexy! hehehehe You've got the same problem I have, I know I'm cute but I wouldn't consider myself gorgeous by any stretch! Date: Monday, May 5, 1997 2:45am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 734908 To: Lythande Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #734850, Reply to #732565, Reply to #732029, R*) LY>SY>I've had sex on beaches that weren't private... LY>So have we.... So did I and got caught. :) We had to stop and put our pants on and move to another part of the beach. :) Date: Monday, May 5, 1997 2:48am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 734909 To: Lythande Re: Putting on a strap on and fucking a woman (Reply to #734853, Reply to #733180, Reply to #733136, R*) LY>VI>Whatever you might do sexually is NOT the same thing as having your LY>VI>pussy eaten. Just like nothing I do sexually could ever possibly be LY>VI>the same as having my cock sucked. LY>Ummmmm. Unless it was a strap on! (ducking BIG time! hehehee) I hate LY>those things, don't you? You know, I have always wanted to try, just ONCE, putting on a strap on and fucking a woman with it! Just to see how it feels to be a guy :) Any takers? >:) Date: Monday, May 5, 1997 2:49am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 734910 To: Lythande Re: Strap on's (Reply to #734854, Reply to #733363, Reply to #733321, R*) LY>VI>Heck, I do lots of not so safe things sexually! For example, I would LY>VI>never use a dental dam or other barrier for oral sex. I mean, what LY>VI>would be the point? LY>That's for sure! LY>I've never been able to get good statistics on the risks of oral sex, LY>though... Oral sex is actually pretty safe, which accounts for the EXTREMELY low percentage of HIV+ lesbians. (Don't know the exact percentage, but I know it's very low). Date: Monday, May 5, 1997 2:50am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 734911 To: Lythande Re: fuck friends and electric pussies (Reply to #734855, Reply to #733973, Reply to #731750, R*) LY>TE>LLY>Well, yeah. Sex is fun, but it's not a relationship. At this point LY>TE>LY>my life, I have no interest in sex without being able to talk to the LY>TE>LY>person before, after and during! LY>TE>During? What do you talk about during? :) LY>Depends on the mood, doesn't it? Might be more, more or it might be I LY>love you or it might be harder, harder..... True! I never considered that to be actual talking :) Date: Monday, May 5, 1997 2:50am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 734912 To: Lythande Re: Pervert shirt (Reply to #734856, Reply to #733974, Reply to #731753, R*) LY>TE>LY>FA>LY>(sigh) An old crone of 40 and he's still calling me cute! LY>TE>LY>FA>I would have to honestly say you sure dont ACT like a 40 yr old...a LY>TE>LY>FA>thats a good thing too! :) LY>TE>LY>Must be all that Geritol people are telling me to take! LY>TE>Don't forget the Ensure >:) LY>Are you trying to say I'm full of shit? Women! ROTFL! What about us? :) Date: Monday, May 5, 1997 2:52am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 734913 To: Lythande Re: Pervert shirt (Reply to #734859, Reply to #733979, Reply to #731844, R*) LY>TE>LY>TE>LY>TE>Yeah, Antique Boutique and the surrounding stores. The Perver LY>TE>LY>TE>LY>TE>are part of the new funky stuff. :) LY>TE>LY>TE>LY>TE>And yeah, they got 'em for men, they had these funky tank top LY>TE>LY>TE>LY>TE>that say Pervert with a big number 69 :) LY>TE>LY>TE>LY>ROTFL! I should get that for Ed. LY>TE>LY>TE>Heheheh I saw another Pervert shirt the other day that I liked - th LY>TE>LY>TE>was actually a regular tee shirt so it was (only heh) 35 bux. It sa LY>TE>LY>TE>Absolut Pervert (same print like Absolut Vodka) 100% Pure. Somethin LY>TE>LY>TE>that effect. I liked that one :) LY>TE>LY>I NEED IT! LY>TE>So do I!!! LY>Nah, it has to suit you. Considering your ideas on some things, you LY>should get a shirt that says "CONSERVATIVE" instead of PERVERT! EXCUSE YOU?! Like WHICH ideas on what things?! I take offense! Date: Monday, May 5, 1997 2:54am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 734914 To: Lythande Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #734861, Reply to #733981, Reply to #731868, R*) LY>TE>LY>VI>SC>VI>I'm not married, but I sill indulge in indoor recreation acti LY>TE>LY>VI>SC>Outdoor "recreation activities" can be pretty interesting also : LY>TE>LY>VI>As long as you don't get caught. :) LY>TE>LY>Ack! LY>TE>LY>But, wondering if you'll be caught every second is exactly what's so LY>TE>LY>much fun about outdoor activities! LY>TE>I almost got caught by cops that way once! (I think I mentioned that one LY>TE>before) LY>So, what happened? LY>Didja...umm....talk (ahem) them out of it? Well, nah, me and the guy managed to put our pants back on and run away before they got out of the cop car. Too bad, too, might have been fun to try and "talk" them out of it :) Date: Monday, May 5, 1997 2:56am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 734915 To: Lythande Re: Emergency Sexual Services (Reply to #734862, Reply to #733983, Reply to #731875, R*) LY>TE>LY>TE>Well, what did you expect, this is Emergency Medical Services, not LY>TE>LY>TE>Emergency Sexual Services (although I do the latter as well heheheh LY>TE>LY>So, exactly what Emergency Sexual Services do you perform, wench? LY>TE>I fix the big hoses and make them drain out when they are clogged by LY>TE>lubing the entire thing in one of my hose containers! LY>Stealing lines from Groucho Marx, are you? Do I *look* like Margaret LY>Dumont to you? Humph! HUH?! (I don't watch TV so I have no idea what you're referring to!) Date: Monday, May 5, 1997 2:57am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 734916 To: Lythande Re: Strap on's (Reply to #734864, Reply to #733985, Reply to #732001, R*) LY>TE>LLY>Are you really going to tell me that gay men don't have anal intercou LY>TE>LY>regularly? LY>TE>Actually, from what I understand, a lot of gay men really don't have LY>TE>anal intercourse, but rather just oral. LY>I'm sure some do. LY>But, Steve Flur sure doesn't seem to want to answer this question! Well, this seems to be the case from what I've been told by other gay men. This is the case nowadays, anyway, as Steve Flur said anal sex seems to have diminished a lot because of HIV/AIDS. Date: Monday, May 5, 1997 3:01am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 734917 To: Lythande Re: Well don't wake up the neighbors! (Reply to #734865, Reply to #733987, Reply to #732047, F*) (1 reply) LY>TE>NI>TE>FA>well dont wake the neighbors! LY>TE>NI>TE>Why not? Not my fault they don't know how to have fun :) LY>TE>NI>Please, I'm suprised my neighbors haven't complanted about Steve & I! LY>TE>Not only am I surprised that the neighbors haven't complained, I'm LY>TE>surprised that they haven't called the cops on us :) LY>ROTFLMAO! Recently the people in the apartment right next to his moved out, and we've been wondering if that's our fault :) LY>I can just imagine the cops showing up and DTI answering the door LY>carrying his samurai sword and shotgun with you restrained in The Chair. LY> Think they'd notice? Well, I think that DTI would be in trouble because the cops would probably NOT believe me when I tell them, "No, officer, you don't understand, I WANT him to abuse me!" >:) Date: Monday, May 5, 1997 3:06am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 734918 To: Lythande Re: What does love have to do with sexual pleasure (Reply to #734866, Reply to #733988, Reply to #732075, R*) LY>TE>Very good point... having sex with someone u don't know from a hole in LY>TE>the wall while drunk as all hell IS pretty damn fun... :) LY>Ya think? I haven't done that since I was about your age. LY>Sure was fun back then, though. Was also pre-AIDs (sigh) It was a lot of fun! And you know the AIDS thing did not prevent me from doing this and was not bothersome, cause surprisingly enough, most of these guys did not hesitate to use a condom. You know, even if I fucked around pre-AIDs, I would still have wanted to use a condom because I do not want to get an STD any more than I want to get AIDS! So in a twisted way AIDS helped in that it made a lot of people more willing to use condoms. Date: Monday, May 5, 1997 3:08am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 734919 To: Lythande Re: Yes, Mistress (Reply to #734867, Reply to #733989, Reply to #732084, R*) LY>TE>LY>TE>DT>TE>T>TE>T>TE>DT> i said don LY>TE>LY>TE>DT>TE>DT>TE>DT>TE>DT>bitch. asking for another LY>TE>LY>TE>DT>TE>DT>TE>DT>TE> Oh, Thank You, p LY>TE>LY>TE>DT>TE>DT>TE>DT> NOISE NOISE NOISE GODDAMMIT SHUT THE FUCK UP TE>LY>TE>DT>TE>DT>TE>DT>pulling> LY>TE>LY>TE>DT>TE>DT>TE>TE>LY>TE>DT>TE>DT>TE>Don't stop, pleeease... LY>TE>LY>TE>DT>TE>DT> HOW in the FUCK can you still make NOISE TE>LY>TE>DT>TE>DT>throat and face, yanking down, thumbs jammed inwards...> LY>TE>LY>TE>DT>TE>TE>LY>TE>DT>TE>arms> LY>TE>LY>TE>DT> well at least you shut the fuck up finally, jesus christ... < LY>TE>LY>TE>DT>off throat, fuckfinger jammed in cunt; thumb free to press in ha LY>TE>LY>TE>DT>directly upon clit> LY>TE>LY>TE>TE>LY>TE>hand on throat while attempting to engulf dick in mouth> LY>TE>LY>I was catching up in /Fetish and just couldn't resist. Ahem. LY>TE>Oh, I was wondering how that got in here... :) LY>TE>Did you enjoy the show? >:) LY>Not really. LY>I'm not into watching unless I can join in, you see. hehehehe I don't know if you would be able to stand it. He is FOR REAL, not just writing bullshit, you know. >:) LY>But, I have a feeling others here would enjoy it, so.... Date: Monday, May 5, 1997 3:09am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 734920 To: Lythande Re: shaving (Reply to #734868, Reply to #733990, Reply to #732086, R*) LY>TE>LY>NI>I do sometimes shave my pubic area because I enjoy the extra feelin LY>TE>LY>Do you really?? LY>TE>LY>Whenever I get talked into it, it takes me a while to get used to! LY>TE>Shaving the bottom part (the part with the slit) is definately good, I LY>TE>shave it all the time, it definately feels better when it's smooth! LY>Tell my husband that! I prefer a heart that leaves that exact area LY>bare, but he prefers it all bare. Men! There seems to be something about the entire thing being bare that they like! I can't figure out what it is, but I'm happy to oblige. >:) Date: Monday, May 5, 1997 3:10am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 734921 To: Lythande Re: What does love have to do with sexual pleasure? (Reply to #734869, Reply to #733991, Reply to #732089, R*) LY>TE>VI>LY>VI>DO> What does love have to do with sexual pleasure? ;) LY>TE>VI>LY>VI>DO>--- LY>TE>VI>LY>VI>In theory, nothing. I practice, everything in the world. :) LY>TE>VI>LY>I agree with you - it has EVERYTHING to do with it! LY>TE>VI>That's because you experience the most intense sexual pleasure when yo LY>TE>VI>are both literally and figuratively making love. LY>TE>And you really are literally making love... you ever notice how, after LY>TE>making love with the one you love, you love them even more? :) LY>Um hum. LY>It's because all of you is involved, not just your physical senses, but LY>your inner being. Yup, I know that very well!! Date: Monday, May 5, 1997 3:11am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 734922 To: Lythande Re: What does love have to do with sexual pleasure (Reply to #734870, Reply to #733993, Reply to #732197, R*) LY>TE>LLY>Yeah, I guess. But, sometimes really hard, hot, even almost violent LY>TE>LY>with someone you love can be interesting.... Doesn't always have to b LY>TE>LY>soft and romantic and sweet. LY>TE>Hard, hot, violent sex with someone you love is the best fucking thing LY>TE>in the world!!! LY>Not sure we agree on this one, Kat. LY>As much as I like hard, hot, violent sex if I'm in that sort of mood, I LY>also love slow, gentle, sensuous lovemaking.... Well, I didn't say that I don't like it slow, gentle, and sensuous lovemaking! If I'm in that sort of mood, I like that as well! Date: Monday, May 5, 1997 3:12am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 734923 To: Lythande Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #734871, Reply to #733995, Reply to #732336, R*) LY>TE>Yeah... a lot of my relationships have been nonexclusive, and although LY>TE>it can be fun (nice sense of freedom) they are much more complicated LY>TE>emotionally, with jealousy and such... my current one is now on a very LY>TE>quick path to exclusivity, which I think is a very good thing... LY>On a very quick path to? On a very quick path to exclusivity. What's the question? (puzzled) Date: Monday, May 5, 1997 3:14am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 734924 To: Lythande Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #734872, Reply to #732336, Reply to #732311, R*) LY>VI>SY>And be sure that no feelings of jealousy would arise? And that anothe LY>VI>SY>countless things wouldn't fuck up their relationship? LY>VI>SY>I dont know if those are the things Vida meant.. but I've thought abou LY>VI>SY>it so many times.. and everytime I thought about it, I didn't see any LY>VI>SY>possible way for things not to get fucked up. LY>VI>SY>unfortunately... LY>VI>That's EXACTLY how I feel! LY>VI>I don't see how it is possible to get involved in a nonexclusive sexual LY>VI>relationship WITHOUT someone getting jealous somewhere along the way. LY>It's possible. LY>But, complete trust and very open communication are necessary. And complete lack of jealousy! Yes, strong feelings of jealousy can happen even in the presence of complete trust and very open communication. There are just some people who are more or less prone to jealousy than others. Unfortunately, I am of the more jealous sort. :( Date: Monday, May 5, 1997 3:15am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 734925 To: Lythande Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #734873, Reply to #733996, Reply to #732351, R*) LY>TE>LLY>When a couple has a really strong love, nothing is going to break tha LY>TE>LY>bond. And, there can't and won't be any jealousy. Jealousy doesn't LY>TE>LY>exist when you're 100% sure that your love is absolute. Once people LY>TE>LY>have reached that place, anything they do together only enhances the LY>TE>LY>love they have together. LY>TE>No way!! From my experience, if I truly love someone, jealousy goes LY>TE>right along with it, and is something I have to deal with in my own LY>TE>mind, it's like an unfortunate side effect of love (love being a truly LY>TE>incredible thing in itself). I kinda find that the more I love someone, LY>TE>the more of my own jealousy I have to deal with! It sucks, but I guess LY>TE>it's in my nature. :( LY>Well, some (most?) people are like that. But, not all. As far as I can LY>tell, it takes a while to reach a place where jealousy goes away...you LY>may feel differently in 5 years or 10 years. Or, you may always feel LY>like that. Most of the people I know who have gotten past jealousy have LY>been together well over 10 or even 15 years. Well, perhaps you're right. I guess I'll see what happens in 10 years! Date: Monday, May 5, 1997 3:18am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 734926 To: Lythande Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #734874, Reply to #733997, Reply to #732357, R*) LY>TE>LLY>Jealousy is related to insecurity. If you're totally secure that you LY>TE>LY>significant other IS yours, you can then share that love without LY>TE>LY>worrying that it will diminish. LY>TE>I think that's part of it, (jealousy being related to insecurity), but LY>TE>not totally. I think some people are just more prone to jealousy (the LY>TE>unfortunate ones like myself) than others. LY>See, I don't understand this! If you're positive that your S.O. loves LY>you, is committed to you and that your relatinship is solid, why would LY>you worry about them ever wanting someone else? It's just a gut, instinctual feeling that I can't get rid of no matter how hard I try. Even if I feel loved, and know mentally that the commitment and relationship are strong, despite all that, there is just always this gut feeling of jealousy like a thorn in my side. I know mentally that it is irrational, but it's just THERE and I can't get rid of it! Date: Monday, May 5, 1997 3:20am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 734927 To: Lythande Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #734875, Reply to #734002, Reply to #732537, R*) LY>TE>DO>³VV> That too me would be even MORE distracting than a threesome!!! I LY>TE>DO>³VV> imagine being able to focus at all with a foursome. LY>TE>DO>ÔÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ LY>TE>DO> I don't know, two two's sound exciting...but the couples don't LY>TE>DO> have to play with each other, rather concentrate on their LY>TE>DO> partners but every now and again, gaze over and see what's LY>TE>DO> happenen over der.... LY>TE>Yeah, and yell out tips to each other :) LY>TE>Hehhe but yeah I've done it that way, and it's fun... LY>Oh? When was that??? Oh, a while back! Like four years ago. Date: Monday, May 5, 1997 3:20am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 734928 To: Lythande Re: Sex with more than one (Reply to #734876, Reply to #734183, Reply to #734143, R*) LY>TE>VI>TE>But what if both of the other two people had all their sexual atten LY>TE>VI>TE>on you? :) LY>TE>VI>Even that might not be so good for me. I find it hard to keep my mind LY>TE>VI>on more than one thing at a time. :) LY>TE>But why not just close your eyes and revel in the feeling of all those LY>TE>hands and tongues on you at the same time? :) LY>Especially if you're tied up and blindfolded and can't help but LY>concentrate on feeling... Ooh, that sounds good :) Date: Monday, May 5, 1997 3:22am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 734929 To: Lythande Re: Watching myself make love (Reply to #734880, Reply to #734605, Reply to #734279, R*) LY>TE>VI>TE>VI>Because I like looking! I almost always make love with the ligh LY>TE>VI>TE>VI>:) LY>TE>VI>TE>Really? I like to make love with the lights off! Not that I don't e LY>TE>VI>TE>the view!! The view is wonderful! But sometimes seeing takes up too LY>TE>VI>TE>of my attention, when all I wanna do is FEEL! :) LY>TE>VI>Really and truly. :) I get turned on by watching myself make love. LY>TE>ROTFL! I don't, it makes me laugh, watching myself make love just looks LY>TE>too weird :) LY>I know what you mean! LY>I seem to be the only one who doesn't enjoy the full wall mirror in our LY>bedroom. Heheheh! Exactly, I seem to be the only one who would NOT want to have a ceiling mirror in the bedroom! Date: Monday, May 5, 1997 3:24am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 734930 To: Tempest Re: Well don't wake up the neighbors! (Reply to #734917, Reply to #734865, Reply to #733987, R*) Date: Tuesday, May 6, 1997 12:17am Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 735000 To: Lythande Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #734839, Reply to #732428, Reply to #732336, R*) I think it WILL remain in fantasy.. :-I :-) Date: Tuesday, May 6, 1997 12:18am Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 735001 To: Lythande Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #734840, Reply to #732430, Reply to #732351, R*) (1 reply) Jealousy is such a stupid thing... I wish I could get rid of every trace of it in my body (mind?) Date: Tuesday, May 6, 1997 12:21am Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 735002 To: Lythande Re: What does love have to do with sexual pleasure (Reply to #734841, Reply to #732431, Reply to #732352, R*) Sometimes I want it to be romantic and those are always the times when I cant stop laughing! :-) or I want it to be "throw me down and pound into me as hard as you can" and we end up being all mushy instead... its silly to plan.. but sometimes we do anyway.. I havent had "dont give a fuck sex" since I was like 20 or maybe 21... and it seems like an eternity... I was such a different person.. life is weird. I miss it sometimes.. but I wouldnt trade it for what I have now. Date: Tuesday, May 6, 1997 12:22am Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 735003 To: Lythande Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #734842, Reply to #732432, Reply to #732353, R*) muahahaha Date: Tuesday, May 6, 1997 12:22am Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 735004 To: Lythande Re: Massage lotion (Reply to #734843, Reply to #732433, Reply to #732354, R*) I looooove ice!!!! Date: Tuesday, May 6, 1997 12:23am Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 735005 To: Lythande Re: The Goddess Of Lust (Reply to #734844, Reply to #732434, Reply to #732356, R*) I think he'd freak out. Date: Tuesday, May 6, 1997 12:23am Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 735006 To: Lythande Re: Well don't wake up the neighbors! (Reply to #734845, Reply to #732513, Reply to #732085, R*) I don't scream... I moan and purr. Date: Tuesday, May 6, 1997 12:27am Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 735007 To: Lythande Re: Planned sex (Reply to #734878, Reply to #734382, Reply to #733999, R*) (1 reply) Sometimes I try to plan a "romantic evening" and in my mind, the scene often includes sex... sometimes you just have a vision of how things will go, or how you want them to go... Date: Tuesday, May 6, 1997 12:28am Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 735008 To: Lythande Re: Multiple Orgasms (Reply to #734882, Reply to #734817, Reply to #734764, C*) Well.. I dont know why. but this always baffled me. :-I by work for it.. I mean.. your partner makes you have each orgasm or is it like a continuous chain of orgasms that starts with one and just doesn't stop? Date: Tuesday, May 6, 1997 12:30am Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 735009 To: Tempest Re: Multiple Orgasms (Reply to #734905, Reply to #734817, Reply to #734764, C*) (1 reply) I've had INCREDIBLE experiences where I could have sworn I was in a different universe.. but I'm not sure I understand the concept Date: Tuesday, May 6, 1997 6:34am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 735017 To: Synne Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #735001, Reply to #734840, Reply to #732430, R*) (1 reply) SY>Jealousy is such a stupid thing... I wish I could get rid of every trace SY>of it in my body (mind?) ARGH UGH I know exactly the feeling!!! You know I often think that if I didn't have any jealousy then I would on the whole be a very happy person. Which would be nice. Date: Tuesday, May 6, 1997 6:37am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 735018 To: Synne Re: Planned sex (Reply to #735007, Reply to #734878, Reply to #734382, R*) (1 reply) SY>Sometimes I try to plan a "romantic evening" and in my mind, the scene SY>often includes sex... sometimes you just have a vision of how things SY>will go, or how you want them to go... I've never planned it, but sometimes I've thought it would be nice to try, but I always have this fear that when I plan it, "what if he's not in the mood?" You know? Date: Tuesday, May 6, 1997 6:40am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 735019 To: Synne Re: Multiple Orgasms (Reply to #735009, Reply to #734905, Reply to #734817, R*) (1 reply) SY>I've had INCREDIBLE experiences where I could have sworn I was in a SY>different universe.. but I'm not sure I understand the concept Mmm, I think you've had multiple orgasms then, cause I know EXACTLY the incredible feeling like yer in a different universe, and I think when I've had that feeling it was multiple :) I think, it seems like if I have just one orgasm, then it's good but I don't have that incredible different universe feeling, but if I just keep having an orgasm, or several of them nonstop, for a long time (or what seems like a long time), THEN I get that feeling. Date: Tuesday, May 6, 1997 7:14pm Forum: Xrated From: Nightbird Msg#: 735081 To: Lythande Re: Well don't wake up the neighbors! (Reply to #734845, Reply to #732513, Reply to #732085, R*) LY>NI>LY>NI>TE>A>TE>FA>a-loud indeed! :) LY>NI>LY>NI>TE>FA>TE>Hehheheheh! Very loud :> LY>NI>LY>NI>TE>FA>well dont wake the neighbors! LY>NI>LY>NI>TE>Why not? Not my fault they don't know how to have fun :) LY>NI>LY>NI>Please, I'm suprised my neighbors haven't complanted about Steve & LY>NI>LY>I know what you mean - luckily our neighbors are empty lots, a church LY>NI>LY>and a nursing home. LY>NI>It's good to know I'm not the only screamer on this board LY>I have a funny feeling quite a few of us are. I think so!!! --- þ OLX 2.1 TD þ This tagline is nonexistent and cannot be read by people Date: Tuesday, May 6, 1997 7:14pm Forum: Xrated From: Nightbird Msg#: 735082 To: Lythande Re: shaving (Reply to #734846, Reply to #732514, Reply to #732086, R*) LY>NI>LY>NI>I do sometimes shave my pubic area because I enjoy the extra feelin LY>NI>LY>Do you really?? LY>NI>LY>Whenever I get talked into it, it takes me a while to get used to! LY>NI>Sometimes I live to try something different LY>Have you ever tried a heart shape instead of totally shaved? I like LY>that a LOT better. Not a bad idea! --- þ OLX 2.1 TD þ Puns are bad; Poetry is verse. Date: Tuesday, May 6, 1997 11:09pm Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 735094 To: Tempest Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #735017, Reply to #735001, Reply to #734840, R*) (1 reply) Agreed. Not just in my relationships... but like just in general... huge houses, money, diamonds bigger than my head... etc.. And I'm NOT a materialistic person... imagine if I was! :-I Date: Tuesday, May 6, 1997 11:10pm Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 735095 To: Tempest Re: Planned sex (Reply to #735018, Reply to #735007, Reply to #734878, R*) (1 reply) I pretty much NEVER have that problem with Rob more like I have to keep a spray bottle filled with iced water next to the bed... bad boy! Down! But I know what you mean... Date: Tuesday, May 6, 1997 11:13pm Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 735096 To: Tempest Re: Multiple Orgasms (Reply to #735019, Reply to #735009, Reply to #734905, R*) (1 reply) I've had like one that seemed to go on for hours... it sort of starts with this incredible warm feeling then just builds and builds and builds and takes over every cell of my body.... but I never thought of that as being a "multiple" thing... Its all good.. thats all I know... I love everything Rob does, he has been truly blessed but this multiple thing intrigues me.. I think because I never understood what it actually IS.. I still don't... Date: Wednesday, May 7, 1997 12:08am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 735111 To: Synne Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #735094, Reply to #735017, Reply to #735001, R*) (1 reply) SY>Agreed. Not just in my relationships... but like just in general... huge SY>houses, money, diamonds bigger than my head... etc.. SY>And I'm NOT a materialistic person... imagine if I was! :-I You're not? jeez, and you want diamonds?! I just wanna be non-jealous in my relationship which would make me happy, plus a really cool job and a nice place in manhattan. I ain't hard to please. I think... :) Date: Wednesday, May 7, 1997 12:10am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 735112 To: Synne Re: Planned sex (Reply to #735095, Reply to #735018, Reply to #735007, R*) (1 reply) SY>I pretty much NEVER have that problem with Rob more like I have SY>to keep a spray bottle filled with iced water next to the bed... SY> bad boy! Down! SY>But I know what you mean... I just have this really crazy sex drive (am i a nympho?! heh) and I have never actually had a guy with an overall higher sex drive than me! it's crazy! Date: Thursday, May 8, 1997 1:26am Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 735178 To: Tempest Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #735111, Reply to #735094, Reply to #735017, R*) hahahaha Date: Thursday, May 8, 1997 1:27am Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 735179 To: Tempest Re: Planned sex (Reply to #735112, Reply to #735095, Reply to #735018, R*) (1 reply) Well, I'd offer to let you borrow Rob... but this jealousy thing.. ya know? Date: Thursday, May 8, 1997 7:05am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 735194 To: Tempest Re: shaving (Reply to #734597, Reply to #734271, Reply to #734256, R*) (1 reply) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>NI>LY>NI>I do sometimes shave my pubic area because I enjoy t TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>NI>LY>Do you really?? TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>NI>LY>Whenever I get talked into it, it takes me a while to g TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>NI>Sometimes I live to try something different TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>How can you stand it when it grows back???!!! Doesn't that i TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>the hell out of you???? TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>I dunno if it's the same with everyone as it is with me, but try TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>shaving (like I said in a previous message) the bottom part with TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>slit, not the top part. With me, the hair growing back on the bo TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>part doesn't irritate me at all, in fact I don't feel a thing, b TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>top part gets irritated as hell. TE>VI>TE>VI>All I can say is different strokes for different folks. I like the TE>VI>TE>VI>"natural' look of a woman's pussy! :) TE>VI>TE>Ohh hehhee I see :) With me I just like the smooth feeling everywhere TE>VI>TE>I really don't like body hair on myself at all! TE>VI>Why not? It's an affirmation of our animal nature. :) TE>And I constantly and firmly deny any accusation of my being an animal of TE>any sort! TE>(Except in certain circumstances, of course heheheh) And in revel in my animal essence, especially when having sex! :) Date: Thursday, May 8, 1997 7:07am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 735195 To: Tempest Re: Strap on's (Reply to #734598, Reply to #734272, Reply to #734257, R*) (1 reply) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>LY>SF>Considering that there are more heterosexual males, TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>LY>SF>they have more sex of all kinds than gay males. By t TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>LY>SF>realize that there are cultures, especially in Afric TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>LY>SF>regularly engage in anal intercourse as a means of e TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>LY>SF>female's "virginity" or as a means of birthcontrol. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>LY>Steve, I'm asking you a simple question - what percenta TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>LY>do you think engage in anal sex? TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>Those numbers have changed due to HIV/AIDS. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>So why do you think the incidence of anal sex has decreased i TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>male population due to HIV? Because safe sex education has t TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>men that anal sex carries an additional risk of contracting H TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>why!!! TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Additional risk when compared to oral sex, yes!! But not additio TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>compared to vaginal sex, which gay men can't have anyway! TE>VI>TE>VI>That's a mighty big assumption. Not all gay men are exclusively ga TE>VI>TE>Well, if a gay man is not exclusively gay, then he is bisexual, which TE>VI>TE>means he's not gay! TE>VI>Says you. TE>I'm always right, though Nope. Queer is queer is queer. I'm as queer as a three dollar bill even though my relationship right now is heterosexual. Date: Thursday, May 8, 1997 7:10am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 735197 To: Tempest Re: Strap on's (Reply to #734599, Reply to #734273, Reply to #734258, R*) (1 reply) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>Annal tissue may or may not tear while vaginal tissue has TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>cells that are greater receptors of materials, so both are TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>high risk for HIV transmission. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>The muccus cells in a vagina act as a natural libracant, maki TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>likely for annal tissue to tear. That greater likelihood tha TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>tissue will tear is what increases the risk of annal sex. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Steve didn't really explain it correctly, but nevertheless he is TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>The mucous cells in the vagina, yes they produce the lubricant. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>makes vaginal sex just as risky as anal sex is NOT any risk of t TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>but the fact that the uterus is extremely vascular, (a fact you TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>notice on a monthly basis), it is lined with capillaries that ab TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>bacteria and viruses quite easily, which is not only the reason TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>infection is likely, but is also the reason why women easily get TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>and all sorts of vaginal infections, yeast infections, PID, etc. TE>VI>TE>VI>And I still argue that vaginal sex is less risky than anal sex beca TE>VI>TE>VI>vaginas were designed to be penetrated. TE>VI>TE>That is not a scientific explanation in any sense! TE>VI>Who ever said I was a scientist? :) TE>Well, u may not be a scientist, but science is the only thing that can TE>provide explanations that make sense for these kinds of things! (Yes, TE>that is only my opinion, I know you'll disagree with me!) Of course I disagree! :) Science is only avenue of knowledge. There are other avenues of knowledge as well. Additionally, scientific understanding and knowledge is always limited, always growing, always evolving. Just because we don't have a scientific explanation NOW for why something is so doesn't mean it isn't so. It's also doesn't mean that sometime in the future we will have a scientific explanation for why it is so. Date: Thursday, May 8, 1997 7:10am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 735198 To: Tempest Re: shaving (Reply to #734600, Reply to #734274, Reply to #734259, R*) (1 reply) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>NI>VI>NI>LY>NI>I do sometimes shave my pubic area because I e TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>NI>VI>NI>LY>Do you really?? TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>NI>VI>NI>LY>Whenever I get talked into it, it takes me a whil TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>NI>VI>NI>Sometimes I live to try something different TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>NI>VI>How can you stand it when it grows back???!!! Doesn't TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>NI>VI>the hell out of you???? TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>NI>The first few times it did but now it doesn't bother me at TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>NI>--- TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>All I can say is ouch! TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI> But heck, I don't shave my underarms or my legs because the TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>drives me crazy when it grows back! :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Then you shave it again while it's still in stubble form! TE>VI>TE>VI>But why bother? To me the act of shaving your underarms and your l TE>VI>TE>VI>is a deliberate attempt to infantalize women...to pretend that you TE>VI>TE>VI>not an adult, but are a preadolescent girl. TE>VI>TE>What?! That is a really weird way of looking at it! The purpose of TE>VI>TE>shaving is to make skin smooth, because smooth skin feels GOOD!!! Even TE>VI>TE>feel myself up after I finish shaving! TE>VI>And hairy skin also feels good. I really believe that the reason why TE>VI>the "custom" of women shaving their legs and underarms started was to TE>VI>infatalize women--it's the "political" reason I don't do either. TE>I really don't think that politics have anything to do with shaving. And TE>IMHO hairy skin feels good on a GUY! It also feels good on a woman! :) Date: Thursday, May 8, 1997 7:11am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 735199 To: Tempest Re: Strap on's (Reply to #734601, Reply to #734275, Reply to #734260, R*) (1 reply) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>VI>SF>Annal tissue may or may not tear while vaginal tissu TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>VI>SF>cells that are greater receptors of materials, so bo TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>VI>SF>high risk for HIV transmission. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>VI>The muccus cells in a vagina act as a natural libracant TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>VI>likely for annal tissue to tear. That greater likeliho TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>VI>tissue will tear is what increases the risk of annal se TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>Muccus cells also absorb better. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>Lubrication, lubrication, lubrication is the key. That's why TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>very well be possible that for post-menopausal women vaginal TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>as risky as anal sex. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>No it's not! Once that HIV+ sperm shoots into that uterus, there TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>amount of lubrication that will help that woman! TE>VI>TE>VI>But the lubrication will mean that it is less likely to have tears TE>VI>TE>VI>other entries for the HIV to enter the bloodstream. TE>VI>TE>Again, NO tears whatsoever in the vagina are necessary for HIV to ente TE>VI>TE>the bloodstream. The intact uterus, lined with its very absorbent TE>VI>TE>capillaries, is an excellent medium for the virus to enter the bloodst TE>VI>TE>all by itself. TE>VI>If the uterus is intact HIV would stay have to breach the barrier of TE>VI>the outer level of the uterus. I am not saying this can't be done. I TE>VI>am saying that the presence of tears provides an additional means for TE>VI>the virus to enter the bloodstream. TE>You're not hearing me, Vida. The lining of the uterus is NOT like skin - TE>there is no barrier to be breached. The virus can enter uterine tissue TE>just as easily as it can enter a tear. Of course it is some kind of barrier. Maybe not a great one, but it is one. Date: Thursday, May 8, 1997 7:14am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 735200 To: Tempest Re: Strap on's (Reply to #734602, Reply to #734277, Reply to #734262, R*) (1 reply) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>With all due respect, I know nothing about the credentials TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>sex lecturer so I cannot comment, however, my personal/prf TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>AIDS/HIV experience is over 11 years and that experience h TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>that 6 months is too before most previous assumptions are TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>much less 3 years. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>Of course, our knowledge is always growing and expanding. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>It just makes sense to me, from a purely anatomical point of TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>anal sex would be more risky than vaginal sex. As I previous TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>out, the anus was not designed to take in objects, but to exp TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>objects. The vagina, on the other hand, is designed to do bo TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>I believe Steve is correct here. The design and subsequent use o TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>of a particular anatomical feature does not really have anything TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>with infection of any sort, as viral/bacterial infection is a TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>physiological process, not an anatomical process. TE>VI>TE>VI>You can't completely divorce phsiology from anatomy. I believe tha TE>VI>TE>VI>any use of any anatomical feature that deviates from the purpose fr TE>VI>TE>VI>which it was intended can bring about adverse consequences. TE>VI>TE>Physiology really is a very separate world from anatomy. Anatomy is TE>VI>TE>structure; physiology is function. The disease-causing action of a vir TE>VI>TE>is functional, not structural. TE>VI>But structure can affect function. TE>True, but in the case of viral infections, the structure on a MOLECULAR TE>level, of the virus and the cells being attacked, is what affects TE>function, NOT structure on a large scale such as gross anatomy. You are missing my point. Structure on a gross level can also come into play. Weren't you just arguing one point ago that the structure of the uterus effected its ability to act as a barrier? All I am saying is that the structure of the anus may effect its ability to act as a barrier. TE>VI>TE>Your argument that anal sex is more dangerous because the anus was not TE>VI>TE>intended for entrance just has no scientific backing whatsoever! TE>VI>That doesn't mean that it's not true. :) TE>Doesn't mean it's true, either :) It's true because it's common sense. :) Date: Thursday, May 8, 1997 7:21am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 735201 To: Tempest Re: Strap on's (Reply to #734604, Reply to #734278, Reply to #734263, R*) (1 reply) TE>VVI>There are women I know who were on various hormones very recently who TE>VI>became messed up. I really believe that if you take hormones you are TE>VI>asking for trouble! And I also believe that there has been a fairly TE>VI>well established that the pill can cause breast cancer and uterine TE>VI>cancer, which is a pretty serious side effect in my book! TE>Trouble is what I got when I was NOT on the pill (pregnancy then TE>subsequent abortion). Since I have been on the pill, I have not been TE>pregnant, so therefore hormones are keeping me OUT of trouble! Did you use barrier methods such as a diaphram before you went on the pill? There are alternatives you know! TE>I have never heard of the pill causing uterine or breast cancer. However TE>I know that it is fairly well established that the pill helps PREVENT TE>cervical cancer. I have never read that the pill prevents any form of cancer. The only health benefits that I have read about is in terms of preventing brittle bones. TE>VI>TE>VI>I disagree very strongly with your statement that you can make TE>VI>TE>VI>adjustments to human biology without grave, grave consequences. I TE>VI>TE>VI>think this kind of thinking is very, very dangerous. TE>VI>TE>Why do you think that we can't make adjustments to human biology witho TE>VI>TE>grave consequences? We already HAVE, you know. Have you ever been TE>VI>TE>vaccinated? (I hope so!) Vaccinations are adjustments to human biology TE>VI>TE>do you think that we are experiencing grave consequences from those? TE>VI>Humans are not divine. We have limited understanding and limited TE>VI>vision. It is impossible for us to monkey around with nature too much TE>VI>without causing trouble. TE>True, humans have limited understanding and vision. However, by TE>"monkeying around" with nature, we are rapidly learning more about it, TE>enabling us to "monkey around" with it further and decrease our chances TE>of trouble. You are much too optimestic, IMHO. We can also get ourselves into deeper and deeper doggy do-do. TE>VI>Even vaccinations, which have so far been so beneficial to us may at TE>VI>some point cause grave problems. We just don't know. TE>VI> TE>True, but why impede technology and knowledge because of FEAR? I never said impede. I say go slow. Look around. Watch. Be cautious and careful. Be mindful of the possibility that you can open a Pandora's box. TE>VI>TE>Why do you think that this kind of thinking is so dangerous? TE>VI>Because it will inevitably result in the cheaping of human life--test TE>VI>tube babies, cloning, genetic manipulation--the whole shooting match. TE>And what's wrong with that? These new biotechnological advances are not TE>necessarily "cheapening" life - rather they are making us understand TE>that we are biological machines that can be improved upon, not some TE>mysterious miracle that we know nothing about. On that point, I totally disagree. The new biotechnological advances have freightening, freightening implications. TE>VI>TE>I suspect that our different opinions on this matter lie in the fact TE>VI>TE>that you are religious, and I am not. You speak of "intended purpose" TE>VI>TE>when you speak of certain biological systems; that suggests that there TE>VI>TE>is "someone" behind the intentions. When I think about this kind of TE>VI>TE>thing, I think scientifically, I think about the mechanisms behind TE>VI>TE>biological functioning, and yes, I ponder about improvements that can TE>VI>TE>made. TE>VI>I don't think that the fact that I am religious has much to do with TE>VI>this argument. While I do believe that G-d created human beings my TE>VI>belief in G-d is not essential to my belief that biological systems TE>VI>have an "intended purpose". TE>VI>Before I became religious I believed that the body evolved over time TE>VI>and that bodily functions reflected evolutionary choice. TE>Yeah, but just the way you state your case implies a religious backing TE>to it - for example your statement "humans are not divine" above - just TE>using the word "divine" brings an aura of religion to it. TE>Also, whichever way you put it: either God created us the way we are or TE>we evolved this way: either way, we possess a relatively powerful brain, TE>and to avoid using it to figure ourselves out would be a shame and a TE>waste. TE>VI>TE>If this is the case, then you and I just think about these things in TE>VI>TE>fundamentally different ways, so one of us can never convince the othe TE>VI>Of course we can't convince each other! That doesn't mean that we TE>VI>should stop talking to each other. :) TE>True :) TE>VI>When you spoke earlier about pondering what improvements can be made TE>VI>that in and of itself shows the fundamental difference! I think that TE>VI>it is just impossible for us to phantom all the consequences that might TE>VI>result from tinkering with nature. TE>It's impossible for us not to tinker. God, or evolution, or whatever, TE>provided us with a highly developed brain and plenty of natural TE>curiosity. That is what differentiates us from animals: we tinker and TE>try to figure ourselves out, it's in our nature. Date: Thursday, May 8, 1997 7:22am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 735202 To: Tempest Re: Sex with more than one (Reply to #734605, Reply to #734279, Reply to #734264, R*) (1 reply) TE>VI>Really and truly. :) I get turned on by watching myself make love. :) TE>ROTFL! I don't, it makes me laugh, watching myself make love just looks TE>too weird :) Well I look beatiful when I make love. :) Date: Thursday, May 8, 1997 7:23am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 735203 To: Lythande Re: Outdoor recreation activities (Reply to #734834, Reply to #732412, Reply to #732346, R*) LY>VI>LY>VI>LY>VI>And some person that I can think of get sexually turned on by LY>VI>LY>VI>LY>VI>fantasizing that they will get caught! LY>VI>LY>VI>LY>Yeah! LY>VI>LY>VI>LY>Like me! heheheee LY>VI>LY>VI>LY>A year or so ago we made love outdoors, right at the end of a pa LY>VI>LY>VI>LY>pond. But, it was in the middle of nowhere at the end of a 3 mi LY>VI>LY>VI>LY>About two seconds after we got dressed, two mountain bikers emer LY>VI>LY>VI>LY>always did wonder what they'd seen. hehheee LY>VI>LY>VI>Wondered or hoped? :) LY>VI>LY>You know me too well! Both, of course. LY>VI>That's kinda what I thought. :) LY>Hey, knowing that someone may see IS part of the fun about being an LY>exhibitionist, you know! So I have been told. :) Date: Thursday, May 8, 1997 7:24am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 735204 To: Lythande Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #734835, Reply to #732413, Reply to #732347, R*) LY>VI>LY>I never have thought that three is a good number....two two's are so LY>VI>LY>much better. LY>VI>That too me would be even MORE distracting than a threesome!!! I can't LY>VI>imagine being able to focus at all with a foursome. LY>Oh, but I said two two's..... A foursome is quite a different thing! That would be even more distracting than a threesome I would think...the more people involved in the sex, the more distraction! :) Date: Thursday, May 8, 1997 7:24am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 735205 To: Lythande Re: Playing with DrPax (Reply to #734836, Reply to #732414, Reply to #732348, R*) LY>VI>LY>Okay, I know I'm stuck with cute, but I'd sure like to be gorgeous and LY>VI>LY>sexy! hehehehe LY>VI>Well I think you're gorgeous and sexy too! :) LY>Uh oh! heheheee You knew this already, you silly girl! :) Date: Thursday, May 8, 1997 7:25am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 735206 To: Lythande Re: Sex with more than one (Reply to #734837, Reply to #732415, Reply to #732349, R*) LY>VI>LY>Sometimes being distracted can be fun - wouldn't you like to be LY>VI>LY>distracted by a beautiful woman and Bob? LY>VI>Actually if I was with a beautiful woman I would probably want to have LY>VI>her for myself! :) LY>Hmmmmmmmmmm. Wouldja let Bob watch at least? (ducking!) In his dreams!!! :) No way, Jose! :) :) :) LY>VI>LY>Maybe because the focus is on their brain? (I'd better start ducking LY>VI>LY>from ALL of them!) LY>VI>No, because their focus is on their pricks! LY>??? Isn't that what I just said? Me too. :) Date: Friday, May 9, 1997 7:05am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 735241 To: Lythande Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #734851, Reply to #732585, Reply to #732564, R*) (1 reply) LY>VI>SY>Actually... there was a time in my life when I wouldn't have minded LY>VI>SY>being an "accessory" to a relationship... during that time, physical LY>VI>SY>pleasure and doing whatever felt good at that moment was was intereste LY>VI>SY>me most... but now my priorities are a little different. LY>VI>Don't see how you were ever able to do it. I would be insanely jealous LY>VI>of the couple, I think. LY>Why? After all, the couple only has one playmate in a threesome and the LY>woman would have two. Because I would want the permanent bond of being in the couple. I wouldn't want to be some kind of plaything for the couple's fun and amusement, to be tossed aside when not convient. Date: Friday, May 9, 1997 7:07am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 735242 To: Lythande Re: Having my cock sucked (Reply to #734853, Reply to #733180, Reply to #733136, R*) LY>VI>Whatever you might do sexually is NOT the same thing as having your LY>VI>pussy eaten. Just like nothing I do sexually could ever possibly be LY>VI>the same as having my cock sucked. LY>Ummmmm. Unless it was a strap on! (ducking BIG time! hehehee) I hate LY>those things, don't you? Actually I have never used a strap on, but I must admit that the idea of using one doesn't turn me on. I don't see the point. Fingers and dildos do just as well, if not better! :) Date: Friday, May 9, 1997 7:09am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 735243 To: Lythande Re: Strap on's (Reply to #734854, Reply to #733363, Reply to #733321, R*) LY>VI>Heck, I do lots of not so safe things sexually! For example, I would LY>VI>never use a dental dam or other barrier for oral sex. I mean, what LY>VI>would be the point? LY>That's for sure! LY>I've never been able to get good statistics on the risks of oral sex, LY>though... I have heard and read different things about the risks of oral sex. From oral sex is very risk to oral sex is risk free!!!!! Probally, in all likelihood, it bears some risk. But since I really, really get off on oral sex (both giving and receiving) I can't imagine using barriers! Date: Friday, May 9, 1997 7:10am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 735244 To: Lythande Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #734872, Reply to #732336, Reply to #732311, R*) (1 reply) LY>VI>SY>And be sure that no feelings of jealousy would arise? And that anothe LY>VI>SY>countless things wouldn't fuck up their relationship? LY>VI>SY>I dont know if those are the things Vida meant.. but I've thought abou LY>VI>SY>it so many times.. and everytime I thought about it, I didn't see any LY>VI>SY>possible way for things not to get fucked up. LY>VI>SY>unfortunately... LY>VI>That's EXACTLY how I feel! LY>VI>I don't see how it is possible to get involved in a nonexclusive sexual LY>VI>relationship WITHOUT someone getting jealous somewhere along the way. LY>It's possible. LY>But, complete trust and very open communication are necessary. You and I respectfully disagree on this point, Deb. I think human nature is such that jealousies are inevitable in this situation. Date: Friday, May 9, 1997 7:11am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 735245 To: Lythande Re: shaving (Reply to #734877, Reply to #734242, Reply to #734007, R*) (1 reply) LY>VI>TE>Then you shave it again while it's still in stubble form! LY>VI>But why bother? To me the act of shaving your underarms and your legs LY>VI>is a deliberate attempt to infantalize women...to pretend that you are LY>VI>not an adult, but are a preadolescent girl. LY>OY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LY>Is that why men shave too? Men don't shave their underarms and legs, Deb. Date: Monday, May 12, 1997 3:00pm Forum: Xrated From: Steve Flur Msg#: 735391 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #733848, Reply to #733786, Reply to #733362, R*) (1 reply) VI>SF>VI>DO>³VV> I also think that GMHC was formed because of the homophobia of VI>SF>VI>DO>³VV> health care professionals...and because gay community correctl VI>SF>VI>DO>³VV> perceived that AIDS was being ignored by society at large BECA VI>SF>VI>DO>³VV> was predominately killing gay men. VI>SF>VI>DO>ÔÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ VI>SF>VI>DO> Exactly... VI>SF>VI>DO> By the way, they have been trying their darndest to try to get VI>SF>VI>DO> "the word out" that they're don't only serve gay me. VI>SF>VI>DO>--- VI>SF>VI>I think that's pretty clear! They do fantastic work for all! VI>SF>Actually.......I had better behave. VI>You behave? Never! :) As you have said, better not to air dirty laundry in public. Date: Monday, May 12, 1997 3:01pm Forum: Xrated From: Steve Flur Msg#: 735392 To: Tempest Re: Strap on's (Reply to #733972, Reply to #731742, Reply to #717027, R*) TE>LY>SF>Anal sex is not an any greater risk of tranmission than vaginal sex TE>LY>SF>since due to a number of factors there can be both blood and other TE>LY>SF>fluids present all of whom carry HIV. TE>LY>Where did you get this information, Steve? As I understand it the TE>LY>greater risks in anal sex comes from the greater chance of tearing and TE>LY>irritation, creating blood/sperm contact. TE>I think Steve is right, Deb. The risk of transmission through vaginal TE>sex is probably similar to that of anal sex, because the uterus is the TE>perfect environment for the virus to thrive and enter the bloodstream... TE>didn't we have this conversation before? Many times! Date: Monday, May 12, 1997 3:08pm Forum: Xrated From: Steve Flur Msg#: 735393 To: Tempest Re: Strap on's (Reply to #734087, Reply to #732992, Reply to #732892, R*) (1 reply) TE>SF>VI>SF>Most AIDS service organizations have long had special workers and TE>SF>VI>SF>programs targeting women. TE>SF>VI>For good reasons! TE>SF>The problem remains that most women still think its something they don't TE>SF>need about because "its a gay disease". TE>I don't think so... it seems to me that people, women too, have known TE>that HIV is not only a "gay disease" for some time now, a good 7 or 8 TE>years. The problem actually is that most people have the "it can't TE>happen to me" mentality... "I don't screw around, I'm monogamous, I TE>don't use needles, I use condoms, etc. so I won't get it"... TE>They never think of possibilities such as their partner screwing around TE>and infecting them, even if they don't screw around themselves.. or a TE>condom breaking.. stuff like that. Most people are guilty of this TE>mentality but don't want to admit it... I know I admittedly think this TE>way a lot. At least you are aware of this! Date: Monday, May 12, 1997 3:34pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 735394 To: Synne Re: Multiple Orgasms (Reply to #735096, Reply to #735019, Reply to #735009, R*) (1 reply) SY>I've had like one that seemed to go on for hours... it sort of starts SY>with this incredible warm feeling then just builds and builds and SY>builds and takes over every cell of my body.... but I never thought of SY>that as being a "multiple" thing... SY>Its all good.. thats all I know... I love everything Rob does, he has SY>been truly blessed but this multiple thing intrigues SY>me.. I think because I never understood what it actually IS.. I still SY>don't... Well, if everything Rob does is really good, then you have no need to worry whether it's multiple or not, as long as it's GOOD! :) Besides, I'm not even SURE that I have actual "multiple orgasms," I'm just guessing! Date: Monday, May 12, 1997 3:37pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 735395 To: Synne Re: Planned sex (Reply to #735179, Reply to #735112, Reply to #735095, R*) (1 reply) SY>Well, I'd offer to let you borrow Rob... but this jealousy thing.. ya SY>know? ROTFL! It's okay, I understand the jealousy thing!! Besides, I would probably tire him out, I have never found a guy that I couldn't tire out :) Date: Monday, May 12, 1997 3:38pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 735396 To: Vida Re: shaving (Reply to #735194, Reply to #734597, Reply to #734271, R*) (1 reply) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>NI>LY>NI>I do sometimes shave my pubic area because I enjo VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>NI>LY>Do you really?? VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>NI>LY>Whenever I get talked into it, it takes me a while t VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>NI>Sometimes I live to try something different VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>How can you stand it when it grows back???!!! Doesn't tha VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>the hell out of you???? VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>I dunno if it's the same with everyone as it is with me, but VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>shaving (like I said in a previous message) the bottom part w VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>slit, not the top part. With me, the hair growing back on the VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>part doesn't irritate me at all, in fact I don't feel a thing VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>top part gets irritated as hell. VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>All I can say is different strokes for different folks. I like VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>"natural' look of a woman's pussy! :) VI>TE>VI>TE>Ohh hehhee I see :) With me I just like the smooth feeling everywh VI>TE>VI>TE>I really don't like body hair on myself at all! VI>TE>VI>Why not? It's an affirmation of our animal nature. :) VI>TE>And I constantly and firmly deny any accusation of my being an animal of VI>TE>any sort! VI>TE>(Except in certain circumstances, of course heheheh) VI>And in revel in my animal essence, especially when having sex! :) Yes! When having sex! THEN I'm an animal, but every other time I am a perfectly civilized human being :) Date: Monday, May 12, 1997 3:40pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 735397 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #735195, Reply to #734598, Reply to #734272, R*) (1 reply) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>LY>SF>Considering that there are more heterosexual male VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>LY>SF>they have more sex of all kinds than gay males. B VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>LY>SF>realize that there are cultures, especially in Af VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>LY>SF>regularly engage in anal intercourse as a means o VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>LY>SF>female's "virginity" or as a means of birthcontro VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>LY>Steve, I'm asking you a simple question - what perce VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>LY>do you think engage in anal sex? VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>Those numbers have changed due to HIV/AIDS. VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>So why do you think the incidence of anal sex has decrease VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>male population due to HIV? Because safe sex education ha VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>men that anal sex carries an additional risk of contractin VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>why!!! VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Additional risk when compared to oral sex, yes!! But not addi VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>compared to vaginal sex, which gay men can't have anyway! VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>That's a mighty big assumption. Not all gay men are exclusively VI>TE>VI>TE>Well, if a gay man is not exclusively gay, then he is bisexual, whi VI>TE>VI>TE>means he's not gay! VI>TE>VI>Says you. VI>TE>I'm always right, though VI>Nope. VI>Queer is queer is queer. I'm as queer as a three dollar bill even VI>though my relationship right now is heterosexual. Just the fact that you're even willing to have a heterosexual relationship means you are somewhat bi! I mean, I consider myself overall to be heterosexual, but I think technically I'm at least a tiny bit bi because I am not at all against messing around with a woman, if she's cute enough :) Date: Monday, May 12, 1997 3:44pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 735398 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #735197, Reply to #734599, Reply to #734273, R*) (1 reply) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>Annal tissue may or may not tear while vaginal tissue h VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>cells that are greater receptors of materials, so both VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>high risk for HIV transmission. VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>The muccus cells in a vagina act as a natural libracant, m VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>likely for annal tissue to tear. That greater likelihood VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>tissue will tear is what increases the risk of annal sex. VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Steve didn't really explain it correctly, but nevertheless he VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>The mucous cells in the vagina, yes they produce the lubrican VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>makes vaginal sex just as risky as anal sex is NOT any risk o VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>but the fact that the uterus is extremely vascular, (a fact y VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>notice on a monthly basis), it is lined with capillaries that VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>bacteria and viruses quite easily, which is not only the reas VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>infection is likely, but is also the reason why women easily VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>and all sorts of vaginal infections, yeast infections, PID, e VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>And I still argue that vaginal sex is less risky than anal sex b VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>vaginas were designed to be penetrated. VI>TE>VI>TE>That is not a scientific explanation in any sense! VI>TE>VI>Who ever said I was a scientist? :) VI>TE>Well, u may not be a scientist, but science is the only thing that can VI>TE>provide explanations that make sense for these kinds of things! (Yes, VI>TE>that is only my opinion, I know you'll disagree with me!) VI>Of course I disagree! :) VI>Science is only avenue of knowledge. There are other avenues of VI>knowledge as well. I know, but since science is my MAIN avenue of knowledge (IMHO it makes the most sense), then we will always disagree on this :) VI>Additionally, scientific understanding and knowledge is always limited, VI>always growing, always evolving. Just because we don't have a VI>scientific explanation NOW for why something is so doesn't mean it VI>isn't so. It's also doesn't mean that sometime in the future we will VI>have a scientific explanation for why it is so. True, scientific understanding is always limited but always growing, so one must accept what is known now and incorporate future findings into the mass of knowledge as they come, and someday maybe we'll have a full picture. Date: Monday, May 12, 1997 3:44pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 735399 To: Vida Re: shaving (Reply to #735198, Reply to #734600, Reply to #734274, R*) (1 reply) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>NI>VI>NI>LY>NI>I do sometimes shave my pubic area because VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>NI>VI>NI>LY>Do you really?? VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>NI>VI>NI>LY>Whenever I get talked into it, it takes me a w VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>NI>VI>NI>Sometimes I live to try something different VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>NI>VI>How can you stand it when it grows back???!!! Doesn VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>NI>VI>the hell out of you???? VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>NI>The first few times it did but now it doesn't bother me VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>NI>--- VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>All I can say is ouch! VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI> But heck, I don't shave my underarms or my legs because VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>drives me crazy when it grows back! :) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Then you shave it again while it's still in stubble form! VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>But why bother? To me the act of shaving your underarms and you VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>is a deliberate attempt to infantalize women...to pretend that y VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>not an adult, but are a preadolescent girl. VI>TE>VI>TE>What?! That is a really weird way of looking at it! The purpose of VI>TE>VI>TE>shaving is to make skin smooth, because smooth skin feels GOOD!!! E VI>TE>VI>TE>feel myself up after I finish shaving! VI>TE>VI>And hairy skin also feels good. I really believe that the reason why VI>TE>VI>the "custom" of women shaving their legs and underarms started was to VI>TE>VI>infatalize women--it's the "political" reason I don't do either. VI>TE>I really don't think that politics have anything to do with shaving. And VI>TE>IMHO hairy skin feels good on a GUY! VI>It also feels good on a woman! :) Says you :) Date: Monday, May 12, 1997 3:46pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 735400 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #735199, Reply to #734601, Reply to #734275, R*) (1 reply) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>VI>SF>Annal tissue may or may not tear while vaginal ti VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>VI>SF>cells that are greater receptors of materials, so VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>VI>SF>high risk for HIV transmission. VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>VI>The muccus cells in a vagina act as a natural librac VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>VI>likely for annal tissue to tear. That greater likel VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>VI>tissue will tear is what increases the risk of annal VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>Muccus cells also absorb better. VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>Lubrication, lubrication, lubrication is the key. That's VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>very well be possible that for post-menopausal women vagin VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>as risky as anal sex. VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>No it's not! Once that HIV+ sperm shoots into that uterus, th VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>amount of lubrication that will help that woman! VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>But the lubrication will mean that it is less likely to have tea VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>other entries for the HIV to enter the bloodstream. VI>TE>VI>TE>Again, NO tears whatsoever in the vagina are necessary for HIV to e VI>TE>VI>TE>the bloodstream. The intact uterus, lined with its very absorbent VI>TE>VI>TE>capillaries, is an excellent medium for the virus to enter the bloo VI>TE>VI>TE>all by itself. VI>TE>VI>If the uterus is intact HIV would stay have to breach the barrier of VI>TE>VI>the outer level of the uterus. I am not saying this can't be done. I VI>TE>VI>am saying that the presence of tears provides an additional means for VI>TE>VI>the virus to enter the bloodstream. VI>TE>You're not hearing me, Vida. The lining of the uterus is NOT like skin - VI>TE>there is no barrier to be breached. The virus can enter uterine tissue VI>TE>just as easily as it can enter a tear. VI>Of course it is some kind of barrier. Maybe not a great one, but it is VI>one. It is a barrier for LARGE things, not for molecular-sized things. (Like viruses). An object of that small a scale can seep through the uterine wall and into the blood stream more easily than it can fly through thin air! Date: Monday, May 12, 1997 3:51pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 735401 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #735200, Reply to #734602, Reply to #734277, R*) (1 reply) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>With all due respect, I know nothing about the credenti VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>sex lecturer so I cannot comment, however, my personal/ VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>AIDS/HIV experience is over 11 years and that experienc VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>that 6 months is too before most previous assumptions a VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>much less 3 years. VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>Of course, our knowledge is always growing and expanding. VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>It just makes sense to me, from a purely anatomical point VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>anal sex would be more risky than vaginal sex. As I previ VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>out, the anus was not designed to take in objects, but to VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>objects. The vagina, on the other hand, is designed to do VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>I believe Steve is correct here. The design and subsequent us VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>of a particular anatomical feature does not really have anyth VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>with infection of any sort, as viral/bacterial infection is a VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>physiological process, not an anatomical process. VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>You can't completely divorce phsiology from anatomy. I believe VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>any use of any anatomical feature that deviates from the purpose VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>which it was intended can bring about adverse consequences. VI>TE>VI>TE>Physiology really is a very separate world from anatomy. Anatomy is VI>TE>VI>TE>structure; physiology is function. The disease-causing action of a VI>TE>VI>TE>is functional, not structural. VI>TE>VI>But structure can affect function. VI>TE>True, but in the case of viral infections, the structure on a MOLECULAR VI>TE>level, of the virus and the cells being attacked, is what affects VI>TE>function, NOT structure on a large scale such as gross anatomy. VI>You are missing my point. Structure on a gross level can also come VI>into play. Weren't you just arguing one point ago that the structure VI>of the uterus effected its ability to act as a barrier? All I am VI>saying is that the structure of the anus may effect its ability to act VI>as a barrier. But my argument about the uterus as an ineffective barrier is based on its MOLECULAR structure, which is a very different concept than gross anatomical structure. On the molecular level, the uterus is a much worse barrier than the anus (provided the anus has no tears) because the wall of the anus has a much thicker, sturdier epithelial lining, with its cells fitted much closer together & with thicker layers of them... while the uterine epithelial cells are in a much thinner layer and are fitted much more sparsely, with many gaps in between to allow for more stretch. VI>TE>VI>TE>Your argument that anal sex is more dangerous because the anus was VI>TE>VI>TE>intended for entrance just has no scientific backing whatsoever! VI>TE>VI>That doesn't mean that it's not true. :) VI>TE>Doesn't mean it's true, either :) VI>It's true because it's common sense. :) It's common sense for YOU! For me it's NO sense! :) Date: Monday, May 12, 1997 4:05pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 735402 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #735201, Reply to #734604, Reply to #734278, R*) (1 reply) VI>TE>VVI>There are women I know who were on various hormones very recently who VI>TE>VI>became messed up. I really believe that if you take hormones you are VI>TE>VI>asking for trouble! And I also believe that there has been a fairly VI>TE>VI>well established that the pill can cause breast cancer and uterine VI>TE>VI>cancer, which is a pretty serious side effect in my book! VI>TE>Trouble is what I got when I was NOT on the pill (pregnancy then VI>TE>subsequent abortion). Since I have been on the pill, I have not been VI>TE>pregnant, so therefore hormones are keeping me OUT of trouble! VI>Did you use barrier methods such as a diaphram before you went on the VI>pill? There are alternatives you know! I used condoms, and one broke and I got pregnant, that's why I went on the pill. Ugh, I would never use a diaghram, the thought of sticking that thing inside my vagina every time I want to have sex.. Yeesh! VI>TE>I have never heard of the pill causing uterine or breast cancer. However VI>TE>I know that it is fairly well established that the pill helps PREVENT VI>TE>cervical cancer. VI>I have never read that the pill prevents any form of cancer. The only VI>health benefits that I have read about is in terms of preventing VI>brittle bones. I have never read THAT, but if it's true, sounds good! The information about the pill preventing cervical cancer is written on the detailed information insert that comes with the pill, which outlines all of the risks and benefits. VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>I disagree very strongly with your statement that you can make VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>adjustments to human biology without grave, grave consequences. VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>think this kind of thinking is very, very dangerous. VI>TE>VI>TE>Why do you think that we can't make adjustments to human biology wi VI>TE>VI>TE>grave consequences? We already HAVE, you know. Have you ever been VI>TE>VI>TE>vaccinated? (I hope so!) Vaccinations are adjustments to human biol VI>TE>VI>TE>do you think that we are experiencing grave consequences from those VI>TE>VI>Humans are not divine. We have limited understanding and limited VI>TE>VI>vision. It is impossible for us to monkey around with nature too much VI>TE>VI>without causing trouble. VI>TE>True, humans have limited understanding and vision. However, by VI>TE>"monkeying around" with nature, we are rapidly learning more about it, VI>TE>enabling us to "monkey around" with it further and decrease our chances VI>TE>of trouble. VI>You are much too optimestic, IMHO. We can also get ourselves into VI>deeper and deeper doggy do-do. That's possible too. But IMHO it's so much more interesting to continue scientific advancement and see what happens instead of staying in the stone age! VI>TE>VI>Even vaccinations, which have so far been so beneficial to us may at VI>TE>VI>some point cause grave problems. We just don't know. VI>TE>VI> VI>TE>True, but why impede technology and knowledge because of FEAR? VI>I never said impede. VI>I say go slow. Look around. Watch. Be cautious and careful. Be VI>mindful of the possibility that you can open a Pandora's box. Science DOES go slow!! I have been participating in some chemical research, and I learned very well that science goes VERY slow, in fact it usually takes a good 10 years to make and prove just one minor finding. IMHO that gives plenty of time to stand back and be mindful of detrimental possibilities. VI>TE>VI>TE>Why do you think that this kind of thinking is so dangerous? VI>TE>VI>Because it will inevitably result in the cheaping of human life--test VI>TE>VI>tube babies, cloning, genetic manipulation--the whole shooting match. VI>TE>And what's wrong with that? These new biotechnological advances are not VI>TE>necessarily "cheapening" life - rather they are making us understand VI>TE>that we are biological machines that can be improved upon, not some VI>TE>mysterious miracle that we know nothing about. VI>On that point, I totally disagree. The new biotechnological advances VI>have freightening, freightening implications. They are frightening because they are unknown, things that are unknown are always frightening, but that does not necessarily mean that it's bad. VI>TE>VI>TE>I suspect that our different opinions on this matter lie in the fac VI>TE>VI>TE>that you are religious, and I am not. You speak of "intended purpos VI>TE>VI>TE>when you speak of certain biological systems; that suggests that th VI>TE>VI>TE>is "someone" behind the intentions. When I think about this kind of VI>TE>VI>TE>thing, I think scientifically, I think about the mechanisms behind VI>TE>VI>TE>biological functioning, and yes, I ponder about improvements that c VI>TE>VI>TE>made. VI>TE>VI>I don't think that the fact that I am religious has much to do with VI>TE>VI>this argument. While I do believe that G-d created human beings my VI>TE>VI>belief in G-d is not essential to my belief that biological systems VI>TE>VI>have an "intended purpose". VI>TE>VI>Before I became religious I believed that the body evolved over time VI>TE>VI>and that bodily functions reflected evolutionary choice. VI>TE>Yeah, but just the way you state your case implies a religious backing VI>TE>to it - for example your statement "humans are not divine" above - just VI>TE>using the word "divine" brings an aura of religion to it. VI>TE>Also, whichever way you put it: either God created us the way we are or VI>TE>we evolved this way: either way, we possess a relatively powerful brain, VI>TE>and to avoid using it to figure ourselves out would be a shame and a VI>TE>waste. VI>TE>VI>TE>If this is the case, then you and I just think about these things i VI>TE>VI>TE>fundamentally different ways, so one of us can never convince the o VI>TE>VI>Of course we can't convince each other! That doesn't mean that we VI>TE>VI>should stop talking to each other. :) VI>TE>True :) VI>TE>VI>When you spoke earlier about pondering what improvements can be made VI>TE>VI>that in and of itself shows the fundamental difference! I think that VI>TE>VI>it is just impossible for us to phantom all the consequences that migh VI>TE>VI>result from tinkering with nature. VI>TE>It's impossible for us not to tinker. God, or evolution, or whatever, VI>TE>provided us with a highly developed brain and plenty of natural VI>TE>curiosity. That is what differentiates us from animals: we tinker and VI>TE>try to figure ourselves out, it's in our nature. Date: Monday, May 12, 1997 4:06pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 735403 To: Vida Re: Sex with more than one (Reply to #735202, Reply to #734605, Reply to #734279, R*) (1 reply) VI>TE>VI>Really and truly. :) I get turned on by watching myself make love. VI>TE>ROTFL! I don't, it makes me laugh, watching myself make love just looks VI>TE>too weird :) VI>Well I look beatiful when I make love. :) Heheheheh I'll keep that in mind :) Date: Monday, May 12, 1997 9:12pm Forum: Xrated From: Sysop Msg#: 735425 To: Lythande Re: Ly buttered up (Reply to #732337, Reply to #732245, Reply to #732168, R*) (1 reply) LY>Ummmmm, sweetheart.....I don't believe that you were in the bedroom when LY>I was in there with Synne - you must be thinking of when the four of us LY>were on the couch and I was handcuffed? Well, I distinctly remember walking in on the two of you and you were both on the bed together, but maybe I was thinking of the time the four of us were on the couch like that. So how can we lure her over here again? Date: Monday, May 12, 1997 10:08pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 735428 To: Vida Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #735241, Reply to #734851, Reply to #732585, R*) (1 reply) VI>LY>VI>SY>Actually... there was a time in my life when I wouldn't have minded VI>LY>VI>SY>being an "accessory" to a relationship... during that time, physica VI>LY>VI>SY>pleasure and doing whatever felt good at that moment was was intere VI>LY>VI>SY>me most... but now my priorities are a little different. VI>LY>VI>Don't see how you were ever able to do it. I would be insanely jealou VI>LY>VI>of the couple, I think. VI>LY>Why? After all, the couple only has one playmate in a threesome and the VI>LY>woman would have two. VI>Because I would want the permanent bond of being in the couple. I VI>wouldn't want to be some kind of plaything for the couple's fun and VI>amusement, to be tossed aside when not convient. But it's a two-way street! The couple is there for YOUR fun and amusement, to be tossed aside when not convenient! Date: Monday, May 12, 1997 10:10pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 735429 To: Vida Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #735244, Reply to #734872, Reply to #732336, R*) (1 reply) VI>LY>VI>SY>And be sure that no feelings of jealousy would arise? And that ano VI>LY>VI>SY>countless things wouldn't fuck up their relationship? VI>LY>VI>SY>I dont know if those are the things Vida meant.. but I've thought a VI>LY>VI>SY>it so many times.. and everytime I thought about it, I didn't see a VI>LY>VI>SY>possible way for things not to get fucked up. VI>LY>VI>SY>unfortunately... VI>LY>VI>That's EXACTLY how I feel! VI>LY>VI>I don't see how it is possible to get involved in a nonexclusive sexua VI>LY>VI>relationship WITHOUT someone getting jealous somewhere along the way. VI>LY>It's possible. VI>LY>But, complete trust and very open communication are necessary. VI>You and I respectfully disagree on this point, Deb. I think human VI>nature is such that jealousies are inevitable in this situation. Wow, looks like YOU and I agree on something for once, Vida :) Date: Monday, May 12, 1997 10:10pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 735430 To: Vida Re: shaving (Reply to #735245, Reply to #734877, Reply to #734242, R*) (1 reply) VI>LY>VI>TE>Then you shave it again while it's still in stubble form! VI>LY>VI>But why bother? To me the act of shaving your underarms and your legs VI>LY>VI>is a deliberate attempt to infantalize women...to pretend that you are VI>LY>VI>not an adult, but are a preadolescent girl. VI>LY>OY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! VI>LY>Is that why men shave too? VI>Men don't shave their underarms and legs, Deb. Some do! A lot of them shave their chests, as well! Date: Monday, May 12, 1997 10:16pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 735431 To: Steve Flur Re: Strap on's (Reply to #735393, Reply to #734087, Reply to #732992, R*) (1 reply) SF>TE>SF>VI>SF>Most AIDS service organizations have long had special workers an SF>TE>SF>VI>SF>programs targeting women. SF>TE>SF>VI>For good reasons! SF>TE>SF>The problem remains that most women still think its something they don SF>TE>SF>need about because "its a gay disease". SF>TE>I don't think so... it seems to me that people, women too, have known SF>TE>that HIV is not only a "gay disease" for some time now, a good 7 or 8 SF>TE>years. The problem actually is that most people have the "it can't SF>TE>happen to me" mentality... "I don't screw around, I'm monogamous, I SF>TE>don't use needles, I use condoms, etc. so I won't get it"... SF>TE>They never think of possibilities such as their partner screwing around SF>TE>and infecting them, even if they don't screw around themselves.. or a SF>TE>condom breaking.. stuff like that. Most people are guilty of this SF>TE>mentality but don't want to admit it... I know I admittedly think this SF>TE>way a lot. SF>At least you are aware of this! True. I think what helps this situation is people (like from GMHC) who seem to be the type of people who would never get AIDS (middle class married women, etc.) going around giving talks about how they never thought they would get AIDS, but they ended up getting it. Personal stories like that tend to leave an impression, especially if the speaker is someone who listeners can relate to. Date: Tuesday, May 13, 1997 8:41pm Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 735495 To: Tempest Re: Multiple Orgasms (Reply to #735394, Reply to #735096, Reply to #735019, R*) (1 reply) I'm not complaining.. just wondering :-) Its just something that always baffled me... I actually spoke to Lou about this on ddial last night! His definition is: "orgasms that come on after another within a minute of each other" and he recommends acid for this Date: Tuesday, May 13, 1997 8:42pm Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 735496 To: Tempest Re: Planned sex (Reply to #735395, Reply to #735179, Reply to #735112, R*) (1 reply) I think he'd give you a run for your money... Date: Tuesday, May 13, 1997 8:45pm Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 735497 To: Sysop Re: Ly buttered up (Reply to #735425, Reply to #732337, Reply to #732245, R*) (2 replies) Got any wine, chocolate syrup, whipped cream, ice and a lock for the door? Date: Tuesday, May 13, 1997 9:35pm Forum: Xrated From: Sysop Msg#: 735504 To: Synne Re: Ly buttered up (Reply to #735497, Reply to #735425, Reply to #732337, R*) (1 reply) SY>Got any wine, chocolate syrup, whipped cream, ice and a lock for the SY>door? Those items are here all the time, so we wouldn't even have to run out to get anything. But instead of the chocolate syrup, you might enjoy our Erotic Essentials Cocoa Indulgence Passion Honey. ....nah, you probably wouldn't :) Date: Wednesday, May 14, 1997 7:01pm Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 735575 To: Sysop Re: Ly buttered up (Reply to #735504, Reply to #735497, Reply to #735425, R*) Mmmmm Date: Friday, May 16, 1997 5:54am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 735644 To: Synne Re: Multiple Orgasms (Reply to #735495, Reply to #735394, Reply to #735096, R*) (1 reply) SY>I'm not complaining.. just wondering :-) Its just something that always SY>baffled me... Yeah, it's kinda hard to tell if you really ARE getting multiples or anything like that... I'm just guessing, on my part :) SY> I actually spoke to Lou about this on ddial last night! His SY>definition is: "orgasms that come on after another within a minute of SY>each other" and he recommends acid for this ROTFLMAO!!!!! Ahhh, he was referring to this one time when me and him had sex on acid, and he actually had multiple orgasms. This was the one and only time when I've ever seen a GUY get multiple orgasms!! And multiple ejaculations. Boy was it a mess afterwards :) Date: Friday, May 16, 1997 5:57am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 735645 To: Synne Re: Planned sex (Reply to #735496, Reply to #735395, Reply to #735179, R*) (1 reply) SY>I think he'd give you a run for your money... LOL! Hey, listen, how long have you been with him? I think you said a couple of years now? In that case, believe me it is GOOD that he still gives u a run for your money!! What I mean is, I HAVE had guys with extremely high sex drives, at times higher than mine even, but the problem is that they were like that for the first couple of months, and then for some reason after a few months it dies down... and then I wind up getting frustrated when it starts to die down. So believe me, you are lucky that he is still into it, cause that's much better than the alternative! Date: Friday, May 16, 1997 5:58am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 735646 To: Synne Re: Ly buttered up (Reply to #735497, Reply to #735425, Reply to #732337, R*) (1 reply) SY>Got any wine, chocolate syrup, whipped cream, ice and a lock for the SY>door? Oh god that sounds g00d :) Date: Friday, May 16, 1997 1:14pm Forum: Xrated From: Steve Flur Msg#: 735697 To: Lythande Re: Strap on's (Reply to #734852, Reply to #732634, Reply to #732195, R*) LY>SF>LY>SF>Considering that there are more heterosexual males, I would think t LY>SF>LY>SF>they have more sex of all kinds than gay males. By the way, do you LY>SF>LY>SF>realize that there are cultures, especially in Africa where couples LY>SF>LY>SF>regularly engage in anal intercourse as a means of either preservin LY>SF>LY>SF>female's "virginity" or as a means of birthcontrol. LY>SF>LY>Steve, I'm asking you a simple question - what percentage of gay males LY>SF>LY>do you think engage in anal sex? LY>SF>Those numbers have changed due to HIV/AIDS. LY>Great! LY>This is like the sixth time I"ve asked now. LY>Would you care to give me those numbers yet? Actually there are no definitive numbers since Congress has blocked all funds that were aimed at surveying any form of homosexual sexual activity. Date: Friday, May 16, 1997 1:16pm Forum: Xrated From: Steve Flur Msg#: 735698 To: Lythande Re: Strap on's (Reply to #734864, Reply to #733985, Reply to #732001, R*) LY>TE>LLY>Are you really going to tell me that gay men don't have anal intercou LY>TE>LY>regularly? LY>TE>Actually, from what I understand, a lot of gay men really don't have LY>TE>anal intercourse, but rather just oral. LY>I'm sure some do. LY>But, Steve Flur sure doesn't seem to want to answer this question! Blame Jesse Helms, not me. Date: Friday, May 16, 1997 1:33pm Forum: Xrated From: Steve Flur Msg#: 735699 To: Tempest Re: Strap on's (Reply to #735431, Reply to #735393, Reply to #734087, R*) (1 reply) TE>SF>TE>SF>VI>SF>Most AIDS service organizations have long had special workers TE>SF>TE>SF>VI>SF>programs targeting women. TE>SF>TE>SF>VI>For good reasons! TE>SF>TE>SF>The problem remains that most women still think its something they TE>SF>TE>SF>need about because "its a gay disease". TE>SF>TE>I don't think so... it seems to me that people, women too, have known TE>SF>TE>that HIV is not only a "gay disease" for some time now, a good 7 or 8 TE>SF>TE>years. The problem actually is that most people have the "it can't TE>SF>TE>happen to me" mentality... "I don't screw around, I'm monogamous, I TE>SF>TE>don't use needles, I use condoms, etc. so I won't get it"... TE>SF>TE>They never think of possibilities such as their partner screwing aroun TE>SF>TE>and infecting them, even if they don't screw around themselves.. or a TE>SF>TE>condom breaking.. stuff like that. Most people are guilty of this TE>SF>TE>mentality but don't want to admit it... I know I admittedly think this TE>SF>TE>way a lot. TE>SF>At least you are aware of this! TE>True. I think what helps this situation is people (like from GMHC) who TE>seem to be the type of people who would never get AIDS (middle class TE>married women, etc.) going around giving talks about how they never TE>thought they would get AIDS, but they ended up getting it. Personal TE>stories like that tend to leave an impression, especially if the speaker TE>is someone who listeners can relate to. It's called Peer Education, a very useful method used by many AIDS service organizations. Date: Friday, May 16, 1997 10:37pm Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 735763 To: Tempest Re: Multiple Orgasms (Reply to #735644, Reply to #735495, Reply to #735394, R*) (1 reply) HAHHAHHAHAHA studette! Date: Friday, May 16, 1997 10:38pm Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 735764 To: Tempest Re: Planned sex (Reply to #735645, Reply to #735496, Reply to #735395, R*) (1 reply) hahahaha yah, I know.. I'm not complaining.. I just need more sleep than the average person :-) He swears he's getting more studly with age... I'm not sure I disagree :-) Date: Friday, May 16, 1997 10:38pm Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 735765 To: Tempest Re: Ly buttered up (Reply to #735646, Reply to #735497, Reply to #735425, R*) (1 reply) Wanna cum er come too? Date: Saturday, May 17, 1997 10:21am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 735796 To: Steve Flur Re: Strap on's (Reply to #735391, Reply to #733848, Reply to #733786, R*) (1 reply) SF>VI>SF>VI>DO>³VV> I also think that GMHC was formed because of the homophobia SF>VI>SF>VI>DO>³VV> health care professionals...and because gay community corre SF>VI>SF>VI>DO>³VV> perceived that AIDS was being ignored by society at large B SF>VI>SF>VI>DO>³VV> was predominately killing gay men. SF>VI>SF>VI>DO>ÔÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ SF>VI>SF>VI>DO> Exactly... SF>VI>SF>VI>DO> By the way, they have been trying their darndest to try to get SF>VI>SF>VI>DO> "the word out" that they're don't only serve gay me. SF>VI>SF>VI>DO>--- SF>VI>SF>VI>I think that's pretty clear! They do fantastic work for all! SF>VI>SF>Actually.......I had better behave. SF>VI>You behave? Never! :) SF>As you have said, better not to air dirty laundry in public. Me, have any dirty laundry? Never! :) Date: Saturday, May 17, 1997 10:22am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 735797 To: Tempest Re: shaving (Reply to #735396, Reply to #735194, Reply to #734597, R*) (1 reply) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>NI>LY>NI>I do sometimes shave my pubic area because I e TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>NI>LY>Do you really?? TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>NI>LY>Whenever I get talked into it, it takes me a whil TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>NI>Sometimes I live to try something different TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>How can you stand it when it grows back???!!! Doesn't TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>the hell out of you???? TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>I dunno if it's the same with everyone as it is with me, b TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>shaving (like I said in a previous message) the bottom par TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>slit, not the top part. With me, the hair growing back on TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>part doesn't irritate me at all, in fact I don't feel a th TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>top part gets irritated as hell. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>All I can say is different strokes for different folks. I li TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>"natural' look of a woman's pussy! :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Ohh hehhee I see :) With me I just like the smooth feeling ever TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>I really don't like body hair on myself at all! TE>VI>TE>VI>Why not? It's an affirmation of our animal nature. :) TE>VI>TE>And I constantly and firmly deny any accusation of my being an animal TE>VI>TE>any sort! TE>VI>TE>(Except in certain circumstances, of course heheheh) TE>VI>And in revel in my animal essence, especially when having sex! :) TE>Yes! When having sex! THEN I'm an animal, but every other time I am a TE>perfectly civilized human being :) Every other time? :) Date: Saturday, May 17, 1997 10:23am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 735798 To: Tempest Re: Strap on's (Reply to #735397, Reply to #735195, Reply to #734598, R*) (1 reply) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>LY>SF>Considering that there are more heterosexual m TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>LY>SF>they have more sex of all kinds than gay males TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>LY>SF>realize that there are cultures, especially in TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>LY>SF>regularly engage in anal intercourse as a mean TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>LY>SF>female's "virginity" or as a means of birthcon TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>LY>Steve, I'm asking you a simple question - what pe TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>LY>do you think engage in anal sex? TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>Those numbers have changed due to HIV/AIDS. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>So why do you think the incidence of anal sex has decre TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>male population due to HIV? Because safe sex education TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>men that anal sex carries an additional risk of contrac TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>why!!! TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Additional risk when compared to oral sex, yes!! But not a TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>compared to vaginal sex, which gay men can't have anyway! TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>That's a mighty big assumption. Not all gay men are exclusiv TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Well, if a gay man is not exclusively gay, then he is bisexual, TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>means he's not gay! TE>VI>TE>VI>Says you. TE>VI>TE>I'm always right, though TE>VI>Nope. TE>VI>Queer is queer is queer. I'm as queer as a three dollar bill even TE>VI>though my relationship right now is heterosexual. TE>Just the fact that you're even willing to have a heterosexual TE>relationship means you are somewhat bi! Depends upon whether you rigidly define sexuality. I don't. TE>I mean, I consider myself overall to be heterosexual, but I think TE>technically I'm at least a tiny bit bi because I am not at all against TE>messing around with a woman, if she's cute enough :) How cute? :) Date: Saturday, May 17, 1997 10:24am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 735799 To: Tempest Re: Strap on's (Reply to #735398, Reply to #735197, Reply to #734599, R*) (1 reply) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>Annal tissue may or may not tear while vaginal tissu TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>cells that are greater receptors of materials, so bo TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>high risk for HIV transmission. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>The muccus cells in a vagina act as a natural libracant TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>likely for annal tissue to tear. That greater likeliho TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>tissue will tear is what increases the risk of annal se TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Steve didn't really explain it correctly, but nevertheless TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>The mucous cells in the vagina, yes they produce the lubri TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>makes vaginal sex just as risky as anal sex is NOT any ris TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>but the fact that the uterus is extremely vascular, (a fac TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>notice on a monthly basis), it is lined with capillaries t TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>bacteria and viruses quite easily, which is not only the r TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>infection is likely, but is also the reason why women easi TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>and all sorts of vaginal infections, yeast infections, PID TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>And I still argue that vaginal sex is less risky than anal se TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>vaginas were designed to be penetrated. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>That is not a scientific explanation in any sense! TE>VI>TE>VI>Who ever said I was a scientist? :) TE>VI>TE>Well, u may not be a scientist, but science is the only thing that can TE>VI>TE>provide explanations that make sense for these kinds of things! (Yes, TE>VI>TE>that is only my opinion, I know you'll disagree with me!) TE>VI>Of course I disagree! :) TE>VI>Science is only avenue of knowledge. There are other avenues of TE>VI>knowledge as well. TE>I know, but since science is my MAIN avenue of knowledge (IMHO it makes TE>the most sense), then we will always disagree on this :) So it seems. :) TE>VI>Additionally, scientific understanding and knowledge is always limited, TE>VI>always growing, always evolving. Just because we don't have a TE>VI>scientific explanation NOW for why something is so doesn't mean it TE>VI>isn't so. It's also doesn't mean that sometime in the future we will TE>VI>have a scientific explanation for why it is so. TE>True, scientific understanding is always limited but always growing, so TE>one must accept what is known now and incorporate future findings into TE>the mass of knowledge as they come, and someday maybe we'll have a full TE>picture. We will NEVER have a full picture. Date: Saturday, May 17, 1997 10:25am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 735800 To: Tempest Re: shaving (Reply to #735399, Reply to #735198, Reply to #734600, R*) (1 reply) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>NI>VI>NI>LY>NI>I do sometimes shave my pubic area becau TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>NI>VI>NI>LY>Do you really?? TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>NI>VI>NI>LY>Whenever I get talked into it, it takes me TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>NI>VI>NI>Sometimes I live to try something different TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>NI>VI>How can you stand it when it grows back???!!! Do TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>NI>VI>the hell out of you???? TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>NI>The first few times it did but now it doesn't bother TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>NI>--- TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>All I can say is ouch! TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI> But heck, I don't shave my underarms or my legs becau TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>drives me crazy when it grows back! :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Then you shave it again while it's still in stubble form! TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>But why bother? To me the act of shaving your underarms and TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>is a deliberate attempt to infantalize women...to pretend tha TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>not an adult, but are a preadolescent girl. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>What?! That is a really weird way of looking at it! The purpose TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>shaving is to make skin smooth, because smooth skin feels GOOD!! TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>feel myself up after I finish shaving! TE>VI>TE>VI>And hairy skin also feels good. I really believe that the reason w TE>VI>TE>VI>the "custom" of women shaving their legs and underarms started was TE>VI>TE>VI>infatalize women--it's the "political" reason I don't do either. TE>VI>TE>I really don't think that politics have anything to do with shaving. A TE>VI>TE>IMHO hairy skin feels good on a GUY! TE>VI>It also feels good on a woman! :) TE>Says you :) I speak from intimate experience! :) Date: Saturday, May 17, 1997 10:26am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 735801 To: Tempest Re: Strap on's (Reply to #735400, Reply to #735199, Reply to #734601, R*) (1 reply) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>VI>SF>Annal tissue may or may not tear while vaginal TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>VI>SF>cells that are greater receptors of materials, TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>VI>SF>high risk for HIV transmission. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>VI>The muccus cells in a vagina act as a natural lib TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>VI>likely for annal tissue to tear. That greater li TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>VI>tissue will tear is what increases the risk of an TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>Muccus cells also absorb better. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>Lubrication, lubrication, lubrication is the key. That TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>very well be possible that for post-menopausal women va TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>as risky as anal sex. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>No it's not! Once that HIV+ sperm shoots into that uterus, TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>amount of lubrication that will help that woman! TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>But the lubrication will mean that it is less likely to have TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>other entries for the HIV to enter the bloodstream. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Again, NO tears whatsoever in the vagina are necessary for HIV t TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>the bloodstream. The intact uterus, lined with its very absorben TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>capillaries, is an excellent medium for the virus to enter the b TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>all by itself. TE>VI>TE>VI>If the uterus is intact HIV would stay have to breach the barrier o TE>VI>TE>VI>the outer level of the uterus. I am not saying this can't be done. TE>VI>TE>VI>am saying that the presence of tears provides an additional means f TE>VI>TE>VI>the virus to enter the bloodstream. TE>VI>TE>You're not hearing me, Vida. The lining of the uterus is NOT like skin TE>VI>TE>there is no barrier to be breached. The virus can enter uterine tissue TE>VI>TE>just as easily as it can enter a tear. TE>VI>Of course it is some kind of barrier. Maybe not a great one, but it is TE>VI>one. TE>It is a barrier for LARGE things, not for molecular-sized things. (Like TE>viruses). An object of that small a scale can seep through the uterine TE>wall and into the blood stream more easily than it can fly through thin TE>air! How could that be possibly true! That makes no sense! Date: Saturday, May 17, 1997 10:29am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 735802 To: Tempest Re: Strap on's (Reply to #735401, Reply to #735200, Reply to #734602, R*) (1 reply) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>With all due respect, I know nothing about the crede TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>sex lecturer so I cannot comment, however, my person TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>AIDS/HIV experience is over 11 years and that experi TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>that 6 months is too before most previous assumption TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>much less 3 years. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>Of course, our knowledge is always growing and expandin TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>It just makes sense to me, from a purely anatomical poi TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>anal sex would be more risky than vaginal sex. As I pr TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>out, the anus was not designed to take in objects, but TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>objects. The vagina, on the other hand, is designed to TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>I believe Steve is correct here. The design and subsequent TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>of a particular anatomical feature does not really have an TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>with infection of any sort, as viral/bacterial infection i TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>physiological process, not an anatomical process. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>You can't completely divorce phsiology from anatomy. I belie TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>any use of any anatomical feature that deviates from the purp TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>which it was intended can bring about adverse consequences. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Physiology really is a very separate world from anatomy. Anatomy TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>structure; physiology is function. The disease-causing action of TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>is functional, not structural. TE>VI>TE>VI>But structure can affect function. TE>VI>TE>True, but in the case of viral infections, the structure on a MOLECULA TE>VI>TE>level, of the virus and the cells being attacked, is what affects TE>VI>TE>function, NOT structure on a large scale such as gross anatomy. TE>VI>You are missing my point. Structure on a gross level can also come TE>VI>into play. Weren't you just arguing one point ago that the structure TE>VI>of the uterus effected its ability to act as a barrier? All I am TE>VI>saying is that the structure of the anus may effect its ability to act TE>VI>as a barrier. TE>But my argument about the uterus as an ineffective barrier is based on TE>its MOLECULAR structure, which is a very different concept than gross TE>anatomical structure. On the molecular level, the uterus is a much worse TE>barrier than the anus (provided the anus has no tears) because the wall TE>of the anus has a much thicker, sturdier epithelial lining, with its TE>cells fitted much closer together & with thicker layers of them... while TE>the uterine epithelial cells are in a much thinner layer and are fitted TE>much more sparsely, with many gaps in between to allow for more stretch. But annal sex causes tears to occur! So most of the time when a person engages in annal sex there will be tears in the annus! TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Your argument that anal sex is more dangerous because the anus w TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>intended for entrance just has no scientific backing whatsoever! TE>VI>TE>VI>That doesn't mean that it's not true. :) TE>VI>TE>Doesn't mean it's true, either :) TE>VI>It's true because it's common sense. :) TE>It's common sense for YOU! For me it's NO sense! :) What about what I was saying earlier about annal sex causing tears? Date: Saturday, May 17, 1997 10:33am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 735803 To: Tempest Re: Strap on's (Reply to #735402, Reply to #735201, Reply to #734604, R*) (1 reply) TE>VI>TE>VVI>There are women I know who were on various hormones very recently TE>VI>TE>VI>became messed up. I really believe that if you take hormones you a TE>VI>TE>VI>asking for trouble! And I also believe that there has been a fairl TE>VI>TE>VI>well established that the pill can cause breast cancer and uterine TE>VI>TE>VI>cancer, which is a pretty serious side effect in my book! TE>VI>TE>Trouble is what I got when I was NOT on the pill (pregnancy then TE>VI>TE>subsequent abortion). Since I have been on the pill, I have not been TE>VI>TE>pregnant, so therefore hormones are keeping me OUT of trouble! TE>VI>Did you use barrier methods such as a diaphram before you went on the TE>VI>pill? There are alternatives you know! TE>I used condoms, and one broke and I got pregnant, that's why I went on TE>the pill. Ugh, I would never use a diaghram, the thought of sticking TE>that thing inside my vagina every time I want to have sex.. Yeesh! You put a diaphrahm in hours before you have sex and then take it out and clean it. It's no big deal. TE>VI>TE>I have never heard of the pill causing uterine or breast cancer. Howev TE>VI>TE>I know that it is fairly well established that the pill helps PREVENT TE>VI>TE>cervical cancer. TE>VI>I have never read that the pill prevents any form of cancer. The only TE>VI>health benefits that I have read about is in terms of preventing TE>VI>brittle bones. TE>I have never read THAT, but if it's true, sounds good! The information TE>about the pill preventing cervical cancer is written on the detailed TE>information insert that comes with the pill, which outlines all of the TE>risks and benefits. I still wouldn't take the risk of playing with hormones. But as I have said, once I start experiencing menopause symptoms I will probably not be able to tolerate the hot flashes and will probably turn to HRT. I have a very low threshold for pain! TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>I disagree very strongly with your statement that you can mak TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>adjustments to human biology without grave, grave consequence TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>think this kind of thinking is very, very dangerous. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Why do you think that we can't make adjustments to human biology TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>grave consequences? We already HAVE, you know. Have you ever bee TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>vaccinated? (I hope so!) Vaccinations are adjustments to human b TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>do you think that we are experiencing grave consequences from th TE>VI>TE>VI>Humans are not divine. We have limited understanding and limited TE>VI>TE>VI>vision. It is impossible for us to monkey around with nature too m TE>VI>TE>VI>without causing trouble. TE>VI>TE>True, humans have limited understanding and vision. However, by TE>VI>TE>"monkeying around" with nature, we are rapidly learning more about it, TE>VI>TE>enabling us to "monkey around" with it further and decrease our chance TE>VI>TE>of trouble. TE>VI>You are much too optimestic, IMHO. We can also get ourselves into TE>VI>deeper and deeper doggy do-do. TE>That's possible too. But IMHO it's so much more interesting to continue TE>scientific advancement and see what happens instead of staying in the TE>stone age! TE>VI>TE>VI>Even vaccinations, which have so far been so beneficial to us may a TE>VI>TE>VI>some point cause grave problems. We just don't know. TE>VI>TE>VI> TE>VI>TE>True, but why impede technology and knowledge because of FEAR? TE>VI>I never said impede. TE>VI>I say go slow. Look around. Watch. Be cautious and careful. Be TE>VI>mindful of the possibility that you can open a Pandora's box. TE>Science DOES go slow!! I have been participating in some chemical TE>research, and I learned very well that science goes VERY slow, in fact TE>it usually takes a good 10 years to make and prove just one minor TE>finding. IMHO that gives plenty of time to stand back and be mindful TE>of detrimental possibilities. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Why do you think that this kind of thinking is so dangerous? TE>VI>TE>VI>Because it will inevitably result in the cheaping of human life--te TE>VI>TE>VI>tube babies, cloning, genetic manipulation--the whole shooting matc TE>VI>TE>And what's wrong with that? These new biotechnological advances are no TE>VI>TE>necessarily "cheapening" life - rather they are making us understand TE>VI>TE>that we are biological machines that can be improved upon, not some TE>VI>TE>mysterious miracle that we know nothing about. TE>VI>On that point, I totally disagree. The new biotechnological advances TE>VI>have freightening, freightening implications. TE>They are frightening because they are unknown, things that are unknown TE>are always frightening, but that does not necessarily mean that it's TE>bad. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>I suspect that our different opinions on this matter lie in the TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>that you are religious, and I am not. You speak of "intended pur TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>when you speak of certain biological systems; that suggests that TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>is "someone" behind the intentions. When I think about this kind TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>thing, I think scientifically, I think about the mechanisms behi TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>biological functioning, and yes, I ponder about improvements tha TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>made. TE>VI>TE>VI>I don't think that the fact that I am religious has much to do with TE>VI>TE>VI>this argument. While I do believe that G-d created human beings my TE>VI>TE>VI>belief in G-d is not essential to my belief that biological systems TE>VI>TE>VI>have an "intended purpose". TE>VI>TE>VI>Before I became religious I believed that the body evolved over tim TE>VI>TE>VI>and that bodily functions reflected evolutionary choice. TE>VI>TE>Yeah, but just the way you state your case implies a religious backing TE>VI>TE>to it - for example your statement "humans are not divine" above - jus TE>VI>TE>using the word "divine" brings an aura of religion to it. TE>VI>TE>Also, whichever way you put it: either God created us the way we are o TE>VI>TE>we evolved this way: either way, we possess a relatively powerful brai TE>VI>TE>and to avoid using it to figure ourselves out would be a shame and a TE>VI>TE>waste. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>If this is the case, then you and I just think about these thing TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>fundamentally different ways, so one of us can never convince th TE>VI>TE>VI>Of course we can't convince each other! That doesn't mean that we TE>VI>TE>VI>should stop talking to each other. :) TE>VI>TE>True :) TE>VI>TE>VI>When you spoke earlier about pondering what improvements can be mad TE>VI>TE>VI>that in and of itself shows the fundamental difference! I think th TE>VI>TE>VI>it is just impossible for us to phantom all the consequences that m TE>VI>TE>VI>result from tinkering with nature. TE>VI>TE>It's impossible for us not to tinker. God, or evolution, or whatever, TE>VI>TE>provided us with a highly developed brain and plenty of natural TE>VI>TE>curiosity. That is what differentiates us from animals: we tinker and TE>VI>TE>try to figure ourselves out, it's in our nature. Date: Saturday, May 17, 1997 10:34am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 735804 To: Tempest Re: Sex with more than one (Reply to #735403, Reply to #735202, Reply to #734605, R*) TE>VI>TE>VI>Really and truly. :) I get turned on by watching myself make love TE>VI>TE>ROTFL! I don't, it makes me laugh, watching myself make love just look TE>VI>TE>too weird :) TE>VI>Well I look beatiful when I make love. :) TE>Heheheheh I'll keep that in mind :) Please do. :) Date: Saturday, May 17, 1997 10:35am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 735805 To: Tempest Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #735428, Reply to #735241, Reply to #734851, R*) TE>VI>LY>VI>SY>Actually... there was a time in my life when I wouldn't have min TE>VI>LY>VI>SY>being an "accessory" to a relationship... during that time, phys TE>VI>LY>VI>SY>pleasure and doing whatever felt good at that moment was was int TE>VI>LY>VI>SY>me most... but now my priorities are a little different. TE>VI>LY>VI>Don't see how you were ever able to do it. I would be insanely jea TE>VI>LY>VI>of the couple, I think. TE>VI>LY>Why? After all, the couple only has one playmate in a threesome and t TE>VI>LY>woman would have two. TE>VI>Because I would want the permanent bond of being in the couple. I TE>VI>wouldn't want to be some kind of plaything for the couple's fun and TE>VI>amusement, to be tossed aside when not convient. TE>But it's a two-way street! The couple is there for YOUR fun and TE>amusement, to be tossed aside when not convenient! What can I say? I would be jealous of their primary relationship if I was the third wheel. Date: Saturday, May 17, 1997 10:36am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 735806 To: Tempest Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #735429, Reply to #735244, Reply to #734872, R*) (1 reply) TE>VI>LY>VI>SY>And be sure that no feelings of jealousy would arise? And that TE>VI>LY>VI>SY>countless things wouldn't fuck up their relationship? TE>VI>LY>VI>SY>I dont know if those are the things Vida meant.. but I've though TE>VI>LY>VI>SY>it so many times.. and everytime I thought about it, I didn't se TE>VI>LY>VI>SY>possible way for things not to get fucked up. TE>VI>LY>VI>SY>unfortunately... TE>VI>LY>VI>That's EXACTLY how I feel! TE>VI>LY>VI>I don't see how it is possible to get involved in a nonexclusive se TE>VI>LY>VI>relationship WITHOUT someone getting jealous somewhere along the wa TE>VI>LY>It's possible. TE>VI>LY>But, complete trust and very open communication are necessary. TE>VI>You and I respectfully disagree on this point, Deb. I think human TE>VI>nature is such that jealousies are inevitable in this situation. TE>Wow, looks like YOU and I agree on something for once, Vida :) I think I'll faint. :) Now, can we ever convince Deb of this point? :) Date: Saturday, May 17, 1997 10:36am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 735807 To: Tempest Re: shaving (Reply to #735430, Reply to #735245, Reply to #734877, R*) (1 reply) TE>VI>LY>VI>TE>Then you shave it again while it's still in stubble form! TE>VI>LY>VI>But why bother? To me the act of shaving your underarms and your l TE>VI>LY>VI>is a deliberate attempt to infantalize women...to pretend that you TE>VI>LY>VI>not an adult, but are a preadolescent girl. TE>VI>LY>OY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TE>VI>LY>Is that why men shave too? TE>VI>Men don't shave their underarms and legs, Deb. TE>Some do! A lot of them shave their chests, as well! That's a whole different cultural thing! :) Date: Saturday, May 17, 1997 10:15pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 735811 To: Steve Flur Re: Strap on's (Reply to #735699, Reply to #735431, Reply to #735393, R*) (1 reply) SF>TE>SF>TE>SF>VI>SF>Most AIDS service organizations have long had special work SF>TE>SF>TE>SF>VI>SF>programs targeting women. SF>TE>SF>TE>SF>VI>For good reasons! SF>TE>SF>TE>SF>The problem remains that most women still think its something th SF>TE>SF>TE>SF>need about because "its a gay disease". SF>TE>SF>TE>I don't think so... it seems to me that people, women too, have kno SF>TE>SF>TE>that HIV is not only a "gay disease" for some time now, a good 7 or SF>TE>SF>TE>years. The problem actually is that most people have the "it can't SF>TE>SF>TE>happen to me" mentality... "I don't screw around, I'm monogamous, I SF>TE>SF>TE>don't use needles, I use condoms, etc. so I won't get it"... SF>TE>SF>TE>They never think of possibilities such as their partner screwing ar SF>TE>SF>TE>and infecting them, even if they don't screw around themselves.. or SF>TE>SF>TE>condom breaking.. stuff like that. Most people are guilty of this SF>TE>SF>TE>mentality but don't want to admit it... I know I admittedly think t SF>TE>SF>TE>way a lot. SF>TE>SF>At least you are aware of this! SF>TE>True. I think what helps this situation is people (like from GMHC) who SF>TE>seem to be the type of people who would never get AIDS (middle class SF>TE>married women, etc.) going around giving talks about how they never SF>TE>thought they would get AIDS, but they ended up getting it. Personal SF>TE>stories like that tend to leave an impression, especially if the speaker SF>TE>is someone who listeners can relate to. SF>It's called Peer Education, a very useful method used by many AIDS SF>service organizations. Ahh! I didn't know it had a name. It certainly seems to be very useful, I just hope that it is really as effective as it seems! Date: Saturday, May 17, 1997 10:17pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 735812 To: Synne Re: Multiple Orgasms (Reply to #735763, Reply to #735644, Reply to #735495, R*) SY>HAHHAHHAHAHA studette! Hehehehehehh!!! (grin grin grin) Date: Saturday, May 17, 1997 10:19pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 735813 To: Synne Re: Planned sex (Reply to #735764, Reply to #735645, Reply to #735496, R*) SY>hahahaha yah, I know.. I'm not complaining.. I just need more sleep than SY>the average person :-) Hey, so do I!! And sleep is wonderful, but I still prefer sex, even if that means I'm gonna get no sleep (stupid me?) :) SY>He swears he's getting more studly with age... I'm not sure I disagree SY>:-) Could be! Guys tend to get better with extensive practice :) Date: Saturday, May 17, 1997 10:20pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 735814 To: Synne Re: Ly buttered up (Reply to #735765, Reply to #735646, Reply to #735497, R*) SY>Wanna cum er come too? Hehehehhe u know, it's tempting :) Date: Saturday, May 17, 1997 10:20pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 735815 To: Vida Re: shaving (Reply to #735797, Reply to #735396, Reply to #735194, R*) (1 reply) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>NI>LY>NI>I do sometimes shave my pubic area because VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>NI>LY>Do you really?? VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>NI>LY>Whenever I get talked into it, it takes me a w VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>NI>Sometimes I live to try something different VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>How can you stand it when it grows back???!!! Doesn VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>the hell out of you???? VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>I dunno if it's the same with everyone as it is with me VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>shaving (like I said in a previous message) the bottom VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>slit, not the top part. With me, the hair growing back VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>part doesn't irritate me at all, in fact I don't feel a VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>top part gets irritated as hell. VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>All I can say is different strokes for different folks. I VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>"natural' look of a woman's pussy! :) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Ohh hehhee I see :) With me I just like the smooth feeling e VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>I really don't like body hair on myself at all! VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>Why not? It's an affirmation of our animal nature. :) VI>TE>VI>TE>And I constantly and firmly deny any accusation of my being an anim VI>TE>VI>TE>any sort! VI>TE>VI>TE>(Except in certain circumstances, of course heheheh) VI>TE>VI>And in revel in my animal essence, especially when having sex! :) VI>TE>Yes! When having sex! THEN I'm an animal, but every other time I am a VI>TE>perfectly civilized human being :) VI>Every other time? :) When I'm NOT having sex, I mean :) Date: Saturday, May 17, 1997 10:22pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 735816 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #735798, Reply to #735397, Reply to #735195, R*) (1 reply) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>LY>SF>Considering that there are more heterosexua VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>LY>SF>they have more sex of all kinds than gay ma VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>LY>SF>realize that there are cultures, especially VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>LY>SF>regularly engage in anal intercourse as a m VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>LY>SF>female's "virginity" or as a means of birth VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>LY>Steve, I'm asking you a simple question - what VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>LY>do you think engage in anal sex? VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>Those numbers have changed due to HIV/AIDS. VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>So why do you think the incidence of anal sex has de VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>male population due to HIV? Because safe sex educat VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>men that anal sex carries an additional risk of cont VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>why!!! VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Additional risk when compared to oral sex, yes!! But no VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>compared to vaginal sex, which gay men can't have anywa VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>That's a mighty big assumption. Not all gay men are exclu VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Well, if a gay man is not exclusively gay, then he is bisexua VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>means he's not gay! VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>Says you. VI>TE>VI>TE>I'm always right, though VI>TE>VI>Nope. VI>TE>VI>Queer is queer is queer. I'm as queer as a three dollar bill even VI>TE>VI>though my relationship right now is heterosexual. VI>TE>Just the fact that you're even willing to have a heterosexual VI>TE>relationship means you are somewhat bi! VI>Depends upon whether you rigidly define sexuality. I don't. Well, linguistically speaking, definitions have to be rigid in order for it to mean the same thing to everyone... VI>TE>I mean, I consider myself overall to be heterosexual, but I think VI>TE>technically I'm at least a tiny bit bi because I am not at all against VI>TE>messing around with a woman, if she's cute enough :) VI>How cute? :) Why do you ask? :) Date: Saturday, May 17, 1997 10:23pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 735817 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #735799, Reply to #735398, Reply to #735197, R*) (1 reply) VVI>TE>VI>Science is only avenue of knowledge. There are other avenues of VI>TE>VI>knowledge as well. VI>TE>I know, but since science is my MAIN avenue of knowledge (IMHO it makes VI>TE>the most sense), then we will always disagree on this :) VI>So it seems. :) That's okay, it's fun to disagree with you :) VI>TE>VI>Additionally, scientific understanding and knowledge is always limited VI>TE>VI>always growing, always evolving. Just because we don't have a VI>TE>VI>scientific explanation NOW for why something is so doesn't mean it VI>TE>VI>isn't so. It's also doesn't mean that sometime in the future we will VI>TE>VI>have a scientific explanation for why it is so. VI>TE>True, scientific understanding is always limited but always growing, so VI>TE>one must accept what is known now and incorporate future findings into VI>TE>the mass of knowledge as they come, and someday maybe we'll have a full VI>TE>picture. VI>We will NEVER have a full picture. NEVER say never!!! Date: Saturday, May 17, 1997 10:24pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 735818 To: Vida Re: shaving (Reply to #735800, Reply to #735399, Reply to #735198, R*) (1 reply) VVI>TE>VI>TE>I really don't think that politics have anything to do with shaving VI>TE>VI>TE>IMHO hairy skin feels good on a GUY! VI>TE>VI>It also feels good on a woman! :) VI>TE>Says you :) VI>I speak from intimate experience! :) Hey, I've had some intimate experience with women! Date: Saturday, May 17, 1997 10:34pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 735819 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #735801, Reply to #735400, Reply to #735199, R*) (1 reply) VVI>TE>VI>Of course it is some kind of barrier. Maybe not a great one, but it i VI>TE>VI>one. VI>TE>It is a barrier for LARGE things, not for molecular-sized things. (Like VI>TE>viruses). An object of that small a scale can seep through the uterine VI>TE>wall and into the blood stream more easily than it can fly through thin VI>TE>air! VI>How could that be possibly true! That makes no sense! It makes PERFECT sense! I would love to explain to you how it makes sense, but it would be quite a lengthy explanation and I don't know how good I am at explaining technical things like that. It would make sense to you if you had some background in physiology! I mean, you can't think of the uterine "wall" as being like a real "wall" of some sort and thus being a barrier. It is much more complicated than that. The cells that make up the uterus are not like bricks; they have gaps in them for various purposes, such as for the obvious purpose of blood draining every month, and since the uterus is constantly lined with blood (and thus T4 lymphocytes which are the blood cells that get infected by HIV), these T4's are in adequate number inside the uterus to be able to get infected and carry the infection into the body via all those gaps in between cells. Date: Saturday, May 17, 1997 10:36pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 735820 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #735802, Reply to #735401, Reply to #735200, R*) (1 reply) VVI>TE>VI>TE>True, but in the case of viral infections, the structure on a MOLEC VI>TE>VI>TE>level, of the virus and the cells being attacked, is what affects VI>TE>VI>TE>function, NOT structure on a large scale such as gross anatomy. VI>TE>VI>You are missing my point. Structure on a gross level can also come VI>TE>VI>into play. Weren't you just arguing one point ago that the structure VI>TE>VI>of the uterus effected its ability to act as a barrier? All I am VI>TE>VI>saying is that the structure of the anus may effect its ability to act VI>TE>VI>as a barrier. VI>TE>But my argument about the uterus as an ineffective barrier is based on VI>TE>its MOLECULAR structure, which is a very different concept than gross VI>TE>anatomical structure. On the molecular level, the uterus is a much worse VI>TE>barrier than the anus (provided the anus has no tears) because the wall VI>TE>of the anus has a much thicker, sturdier epithelial lining, with its VI>TE>cells fitted much closer together & with thicker layers of them... while VI>TE>the uterine epithelial cells are in a much thinner layer and are fitted VI>TE>much more sparsely, with many gaps in between to allow for more stretch. VI>But annal sex causes tears to occur! So most of the time when a person VI>engages in annal sex there will be tears in the annus! Not necessarily! Especially not if lube is used, and especially not if the reciever is an "anal virgin." Besides, like I said already, the anus NEEDS tears to have a chance of causing transmission, however the vagina/uterus does NOT need tears at all. VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Your argument that anal sex is more dangerous because the anu VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>intended for entrance just has no scientific backing whatsoev VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>That doesn't mean that it's not true. :) VI>TE>VI>TE>Doesn't mean it's true, either :) VI>TE>VI>It's true because it's common sense. :) VI>TE>It's common sense for YOU! For me it's NO sense! :) VI>What about what I was saying earlier about annal sex causing tears? See previous comment in this message, as well as my reply to your message right before this one! Date: Saturday, May 17, 1997 10:47pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 735821 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #735803, Reply to #735402, Reply to #735201, R*) (1 reply) VVI>TE>I used condoms, and one broke and I got pregnant, that's why I went on VI>TE>the pill. Ugh, I would never use a diaghram, the thought of sticking VI>TE>that thing inside my vagina every time I want to have sex.. Yeesh! VI>You put a diaphrahm in hours before you have sex and then take it out VI>and clean it. It's no big deal. Hours before you have sex?!?! How do you know hours beforehand, that you're GOING to have sex?! I don't know about you, but my sex is always spontaneous! I never know that I'm going to have sex until I have it! VI>TE>I have never read THAT, but if it's true, sounds good! The information VI>TE>about the pill preventing cervical cancer is written on the detailed VI>TE>information insert that comes with the pill, which outlines all of the VI>TE>risks and benefits. VI>I still wouldn't take the risk of playing with hormones. But as I have VI>said, once I start experiencing menopause symptoms I will probably not VI>be able to tolerate the hot flashes and will probably turn to HRT. I VI>have a very low threshold for pain! I would rather take the risk of playing with hormones than take the risk of another unwanted pregnancy. Getting pregnant screwed up my system much more than being on the pill ever did. What's HRT? Date: Saturday, May 17, 1997 10:49pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 735822 To: Vida Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #735806, Reply to #735429, Reply to #735244, R*) (1 reply) VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>SY>And be sure that no feelings of jealousy would arise? And th VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>SY>countless things wouldn't fuck up their relationship? VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>SY>I dont know if those are the things Vida meant.. but I've tho VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>SY>it so many times.. and everytime I thought about it, I didn't VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>SY>possible way for things not to get fucked up. VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>SY>unfortunately... VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>That's EXACTLY how I feel! VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>I don't see how it is possible to get involved in a nonexclusive VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>relationship WITHOUT someone getting jealous somewhere along the VI>TE>VI>LY>It's possible. VI>TE>VI>LY>But, complete trust and very open communication are necessary. VI>TE>VI>You and I respectfully disagree on this point, Deb. I think human VI>TE>VI>nature is such that jealousies are inevitable in this situation. VI>TE>Wow, looks like YOU and I agree on something for once, Vida :) VI>I think I'll faint. :) LOL! Same here :) VI>Now, can we ever convince Deb of this point? :) I don't think we can, because Deb really does not seem to be capable of jealousy, do you think she's human? :) Date: Saturday, May 17, 1997 10:50pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 735823 To: Vida Re: shaving (Reply to #735807, Reply to #735430, Reply to #735245, R*) (2 replies) VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>TE>Then you shave it again while it's still in stubble form! VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>But why bother? To me the act of shaving your underarms and you VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>is a deliberate attempt to infantalize women...to pretend that y VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>not an adult, but are a preadolescent girl. VI>TE>VI>LY>OY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! VI>TE>VI>LY>Is that why men shave too? VI>TE>VI>Men don't shave their underarms and legs, Deb. VI>TE>Some do! A lot of them shave their chests, as well! VI>That's a whole different cultural thing! :) How is guys shaving their chests any different from women shaving their legs?? It's all about vanity, either way! Date: Sunday, May 18, 1997 8:19am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 735859 To: Tempest Re: shaving (Reply to #735815, Reply to #735797, Reply to #735396, R*) (1 reply) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>NI>LY>NI>I do sometimes shave my pubic area becau TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>NI>LY>Do you really?? TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>NI>LY>Whenever I get talked into it, it takes me TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>NI>Sometimes I live to try something different TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>How can you stand it when it grows back???!!! Do TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>the hell out of you???? TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>I dunno if it's the same with everyone as it is with TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>shaving (like I said in a previous message) the bott TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>slit, not the top part. With me, the hair growing ba TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>part doesn't irritate me at all, in fact I don't fee TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>top part gets irritated as hell. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>All I can say is different strokes for different folks. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>"natural' look of a woman's pussy! :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Ohh hehhee I see :) With me I just like the smooth feelin TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>I really don't like body hair on myself at all! TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>Why not? It's an affirmation of our animal nature. :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>And I constantly and firmly deny any accusation of my being an a TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>any sort! TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>(Except in certain circumstances, of course heheheh) TE>VI>TE>VI>And in revel in my animal essence, especially when having sex! :) TE>VI>TE>Yes! When having sex! THEN I'm an animal, but every other time I am a TE>VI>TE>perfectly civilized human being :) TE>VI>Every other time? :) TE>When I'm NOT having sex, I mean :) Every other time? :) Date: Sunday, May 18, 1997 8:21am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 735860 To: Tempest Re: Strap on's (Reply to #735816, Reply to #735798, Reply to #735397, R*) (1 reply) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>LY>SF>Considering that there are more heterose TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>LY>SF>they have more sex of all kinds than gay TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>LY>SF>realize that there are cultures, especia TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>LY>SF>regularly engage in anal intercourse as TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>LY>SF>female's "virginity" or as a means of bi TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>LY>Steve, I'm asking you a simple question - w TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>LY>do you think engage in anal sex? TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>SF>Those numbers have changed due to HIV/AIDS. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>So why do you think the incidence of anal sex has TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>male population due to HIV? Because safe sex edu TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>men that anal sex carries an additional risk of c TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>why!!! TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Additional risk when compared to oral sex, yes!! But TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>compared to vaginal sex, which gay men can't have an TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>That's a mighty big assumption. Not all gay men are ex TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Well, if a gay man is not exclusively gay, then he is bise TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>means he's not gay! TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>Says you. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>I'm always right, though TE>VI>TE>VI>Nope. TE>VI>TE>VI>Queer is queer is queer. I'm as queer as a three dollar bill even TE>VI>TE>VI>though my relationship right now is heterosexual. TE>VI>TE>Just the fact that you're even willing to have a heterosexual TE>VI>TE>relationship means you are somewhat bi! TE>VI>Depends upon whether you rigidly define sexuality. I don't. TE>Well, linguistically speaking, definitions have to be rigid in order for TE>it to mean the same thing to everyone... To justify maintaining categories for the sake of linguistic clarity is a poor argument. I think the categories we have created are totally artificial and meaningless. So why prolong them? TE>VI>TE>I mean, I consider myself overall to be heterosexual, but I think TE>VI>TE>technically I'm at least a tiny bit bi because I am not at all against TE>VI>TE>messing around with a woman, if she's cute enough :) TE>VI>How cute? :) TE>Why do you ask? :) Just curious. :) Date: Sunday, May 18, 1997 8:22am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 735861 To: Tempest Re: Strap on's (Reply to #735817, Reply to #735799, Reply to #735398, R*) (1 reply) TE>VVI>TE>VI>Science is only avenue of knowledge. There are other avenues of TE>VI>TE>VI>knowledge as well. TE>VI>TE>I know, but since science is my MAIN avenue of knowledge (IMHO it make TE>VI>TE>the most sense), then we will always disagree on this :) TE>VI>So it seems. :) TE>That's okay, it's fun to disagree with you :) As long as we're having fun. :) TE>VI>TE>VI>Additionally, scientific understanding and knowledge is always limi TE>VI>TE>VI>always growing, always evolving. Just because we don't have a TE>VI>TE>VI>scientific explanation NOW for why something is so doesn't mean it TE>VI>TE>VI>isn't so. It's also doesn't mean that sometime in the future we wi TE>VI>TE>VI>have a scientific explanation for why it is so. TE>VI>TE>True, scientific understanding is always limited but always growing, s TE>VI>TE>one must accept what is known now and incorporate future findings into TE>VI>TE>the mass of knowledge as they come, and someday maybe we'll have a ful TE>VI>TE>picture. TE>VI>We will NEVER have a full picture. TE>NEVER say never!!! On that point, I am 100% convinced I am right. :) Date: Sunday, May 18, 1997 8:23am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 735862 To: Tempest Re: shaving (Reply to #735818, Reply to #735800, Reply to #735399, R*) (1 reply) TE>VVI>TE>VI>TE>I really don't think that politics have anything to do with sha TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>IMHO hairy skin feels good on a GUY! TE>VI>TE>VI>It also feels good on a woman! :) TE>VI>TE>Says you :) TE>VI>I speak from intimate experience! :) TE>Hey, I've had some intimate experience with women! Then I should hope you would agree. :) Date: Sunday, May 18, 1997 8:24am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 735863 To: Tempest Re: Strap on's (Reply to #735819, Reply to #735801, Reply to #735400, R*) (1 reply) TE>VVI>TE>VI>Of course it is some kind of barrier. Maybe not a great one, but TE>VI>TE>VI>one. TE>VI>TE>It is a barrier for LARGE things, not for molecular-sized things. (Lik TE>VI>TE>viruses). An object of that small a scale can seep through the uterin TE>VI>TE>wall and into the blood stream more easily than it can fly through thi TE>VI>TE>air! TE>VI>How could that be possibly true! That makes no sense! TE>It makes PERFECT sense! I would love to explain to you how it makes TE>sense, but it would be quite a lengthy explanation and I don't know how TE>good I am at explaining technical things like that. It would make sense TE>to you if you had some background in physiology! TE>I mean, you can't think of the uterine "wall" as being like a real TE>"wall" of some sort and thus being a barrier. It is much more TE>complicated than that. The cells that make up the uterus are not like TE>bricks; they have gaps in them for various purposes, such as for the TE>obvious purpose of blood draining every month, and since the uterus is TE>constantly lined with blood (and thus T4 lymphocytes which are the blood TE>cells that get infected by HIV), these T4's are in adequate number TE>inside the uterus to be able to get infected and carry the infection TE>into the body via all those gaps in between cells. It still think you are exagerating your point when you say the uterus is a poorer barrier than the air. Date: Sunday, May 18, 1997 8:26am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 735864 To: Tempest Re: Strap on's (Reply to #735820, Reply to #735802, Reply to #735401, R*) (1 reply) TE>VVI>TE>VI>TE>True, but in the case of viral infections, the structure on a M TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>level, of the virus and the cells being attacked, is what affect TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>function, NOT structure on a large scale such as gross anatomy. TE>VI>TE>VI>You are missing my point. Structure on a gross level can also come TE>VI>TE>VI>into play. Weren't you just arguing one point ago that the structu TE>VI>TE>VI>of the uterus effected its ability to act as a barrier? All I am TE>VI>TE>VI>saying is that the structure of the anus may effect its ability to TE>VI>TE>VI>as a barrier. TE>VI>TE>But my argument about the uterus as an ineffective barrier is based on TE>VI>TE>its MOLECULAR structure, which is a very different concept than gross TE>VI>TE>anatomical structure. On the molecular level, the uterus is a much wor TE>VI>TE>barrier than the anus (provided the anus has no tears) because the wal TE>VI>TE>of the anus has a much thicker, sturdier epithelial lining, with its TE>VI>TE>cells fitted much closer together & with thicker layers of them... whi TE>VI>TE>the uterine epithelial cells are in a much thinner layer and are fitte TE>VI>TE>much more sparsely, with many gaps in between to allow for more stretc TE>VI>But annal sex causes tears to occur! So most of the time when a person TE>VI>engages in annal sex there will be tears in the annus! TE>Not necessarily! Especially not if lube is used, and especially not if TE>the reciever is an "anal virgin." Besides, like I said already, the anus TE>NEEDS tears to have a chance of causing transmission, however the TE>vagina/uterus does NOT need tears at all. The chances of tears not occurring from anal sex is slim to nonexistent, IMHO. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Your argument that anal sex is more dangerous because the TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>intended for entrance just has no scientific backing whats TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>That doesn't mean that it's not true. :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Doesn't mean it's true, either :) TE>VI>TE>VI>It's true because it's common sense. :) TE>VI>TE>It's common sense for YOU! For me it's NO sense! :) TE>VI>What about what I was saying earlier about annal sex causing tears? TE>See previous comment in this message, as well as my reply to your TE>message right before this one! And I still think you are wrong. :) Date: Sunday, May 18, 1997 8:30am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 735865 To: Tempest Re: Strap on's (Reply to #735821, Reply to #735803, Reply to #735402, R*) (1 reply) TE>VVI>TE>I used condoms, and one broke and I got pregnant, that's why I went o TE>VI>TE>the pill. Ugh, I would never use a diaghram, the thought of sticking TE>VI>TE>that thing inside my vagina every time I want to have sex.. Yeesh! TE>VI>You put a diaphrahm in hours before you have sex and then take it out TE>VI>and clean it. It's no big deal. TE>Hours before you have sex?!?! How do you know hours beforehand, that TE>you're GOING to have sex?! I don't know about you, but my sex is always TE>spontaneous! I never know that I'm going to have sex until I have it! True, true. But you generally know in advance before you get together with your partner. I just put in the diaphram before getting together with Bob and keep it in until he leaves. This way, if we want to have sex, we can. If we don't, we don't. TE>VI>TE>I have never read THAT, but if it's true, sounds good! The information TE>VI>TE>about the pill preventing cervical cancer is written on the detailed TE>VI>TE>information insert that comes with the pill, which outlines all of the TE>VI>TE>risks and benefits. TE>VI>I still wouldn't take the risk of playing with hormones. But as I have TE>VI>said, once I start experiencing menopause symptoms I will probably not TE>VI>be able to tolerate the hot flashes and will probably turn to HRT. I TE>VI>have a very low threshold for pain! TE>I would rather take the risk of playing with hormones than take the risk TE>of another unwanted pregnancy. Getting pregnant screwed up my system TE>much more than being on the pill ever did. TE>What's HRT? Hormone replacement Therapy. I am getting to the age when I have to seriously think in terms of what I will do once menopause starts. Especially since I have never been pregnant, menopause could start within the next five years for me. Date: Sunday, May 18, 1997 8:31am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 735866 To: Tempest Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #735822, Reply to #735806, Reply to #735429, R*) (1 reply) TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>SY>And be sure that no feelings of jealousy would arise? And TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>SY>countless things wouldn't fuck up their relationship? TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>SY>I dont know if those are the things Vida meant.. but I've TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>SY>it so many times.. and everytime I thought about it, I did TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>SY>possible way for things not to get fucked up. TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>SY>unfortunately... TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>That's EXACTLY how I feel! TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>I don't see how it is possible to get involved in a nonexclus TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>relationship WITHOUT someone getting jealous somewhere along TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>It's possible. TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>But, complete trust and very open communication are necessary. TE>VI>TE>VI>You and I respectfully disagree on this point, Deb. I think human TE>VI>TE>VI>nature is such that jealousies are inevitable in this situation. TE>VI>TE>Wow, looks like YOU and I agree on something for once, Vida :) TE>VI>I think I'll faint. :) TE>LOL! Same here :) TE>VI>Now, can we ever convince Deb of this point? :) TE>I don't think we can, because Deb really does not seem to be capable of TE>jealousy, do you think she's human? :) I guess she's an angel in disguise. :) Date: Sunday, May 18, 1997 8:32am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 735867 To: Tempest Re: shaving (Reply to #735823, Reply to #735807, Reply to #735430, R*) (1 reply) TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>TE>Then you shave it again while it's still in stubble form! TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>But why bother? To me the act of shaving your underarms and TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>is a deliberate attempt to infantalize women...to pretend tha TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>not an adult, but are a preadolescent girl. TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>OY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>Is that why men shave too? TE>VI>TE>VI>Men don't shave their underarms and legs, Deb. TE>VI>TE>Some do! A lot of them shave their chests, as well! TE>VI>That's a whole different cultural thing! :) TE>How is guys shaving their chests any different from women shaving their TE>legs?? It's all about vanity, either way! Must have the men who shave their chests are muscle builders. They shave their chests so they can show off their muscle development. Thus, they do so to enchance their virility, not diminish it. Date: Sunday, May 18, 1997 11:39am Forum: Xrated From: Nightbird Msg#: 735881 To: Tempest Re: shaving (Reply to #735823, Reply to #735807, Reply to #735430, R*) (1 reply) TE>How is guys shaving their chests any different from women shaving their TE>legs?? It's all about vanity, either way! Excuse me, but WHY would a Guy even WANT to shave his chest!!!! Speaking for myself I like some hair on a man's chest, & My Teddy Bear just enought! --- þ OLX 2.1 TD þ [sigh] Nostalgia just isn't what it used to be ... Date: Monday, May 19, 1997 2:21am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 735890 To: Vida Re: animal sex! (Reply to #735859, Reply to #735815, Reply to #735797, R*) (1 reply) VVI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>And I constantly and firmly deny any accusation of my being a VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>any sort! VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>(Except in certain circumstances, of course heheheh) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>And in revel in my animal essence, especially when having sex! VI>TE>VI>TE>Yes! When having sex! THEN I'm an animal, but every other time I am VI>TE>VI>TE>perfectly civilized human being :) VI>TE>VI>Every other time? :) VI>TE>When I'm NOT having sex, I mean :) VI>Every other time? :) What do u mean?? Date: Monday, May 19, 1997 2:25am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 735891 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #735860, Reply to #735816, Reply to #735798, R*) (1 reply) VVI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>That's a mighty big assumption. Not all gay men are VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Well, if a gay man is not exclusively gay, then he is b VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>means he's not gay! VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>Says you. VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>I'm always right, though VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>Nope. VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>Queer is queer is queer. I'm as queer as a three dollar bill ev VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>though my relationship right now is heterosexual. VI>TE>VI>TE>Just the fact that you're even willing to have a heterosexual VI>TE>VI>TE>relationship means you are somewhat bi! VI>TE>VI>Depends upon whether you rigidly define sexuality. I don't. VI>TE>Well, linguistically speaking, definitions have to be rigid in order for VI>TE>it to mean the same thing to everyone... VI>To justify maintaining categories for the sake of linguistic clarity is VI>a poor argument. I think the categories we have created are totally VI>artificial and meaningless. So why prolong them? Homosexual = Being sexually attracted to the same sex. Heterosexual = Being sexually attracted to the opposite sex. Bisexual = Being sexually attracted to both sexes. How are these definitions artificial and meaningless? They apply to real character traits, and are necessary to discuss those traits. VI> VI>TE>VI>TE>I mean, I consider myself overall to be heterosexual, but I think VI>TE>VI>TE>technically I'm at least a tiny bit bi because I am not at all agai VI>TE>VI>TE>messing around with a woman, if she's cute enough :) VI>TE>VI>How cute? :) VI>TE>Why do you ask? :) VI>Just curious. :) Uh-huh ;) Date: Monday, May 19, 1997 2:28am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 735892 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #735861, Reply to #735817, Reply to #735799, R*) (1 reply) VVI>TE>VI>TE>VI>Additionally, scientific understanding and knowledge is always l VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>always growing, always evolving. Just because we don't have a VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>scientific explanation NOW for why something is so doesn't mean VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>isn't so. It's also doesn't mean that sometime in the future we VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>have a scientific explanation for why it is so. VI>TE>VI>TE>True, scientific understanding is always limited but always growing VI>TE>VI>TE>one must accept what is known now and incorporate future findings i VI>TE>VI>TE>the mass of knowledge as they come, and someday maybe we'll have a VI>TE>VI>TE>picture. VI>TE>VI>We will NEVER have a full picture. VI>TE>NEVER say never!!! VI>On that point, I am 100% convinced I am right. :) And I am 100% convinced I am right. :) Never say never is one of the mottos I live by!! Why are you so positively sure that we will never have a full picture? How can you be so sure? I mean, I'm sure that we will not have a full picture in either of OUR lifetimes, but who's to say that we won't have a full picture in a couple of hundred years, or in a couple of thousand years, etc.? Date: Monday, May 19, 1997 2:32am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 735893 To: Vida Re: shaving (Reply to #735862, Reply to #735818, Reply to #735800, R*) (1 reply) VI>TE>VVI>TE>VI>TE>I really don't think that politics have anything to do with VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>IMHO hairy skin feels good on a GUY! VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>It also feels good on a woman! :) VI>TE>VI>TE>Says you :) VI>TE>VI>I speak from intimate experience! :) VI>TE>Hey, I've had some intimate experience with women! VI>Then I should hope you would agree. :) I don't though! I really love the feel of smooth skin! I even like smooth skin on certain guys, it depends on what they look like and how their build is. Some guys are better off with smooth skin, and some are better off with body hair, because it adds masculinity. And since I see body hair as being masculine in a sexual way, then to me it doesn't really work well on a woman! Date: Monday, May 19, 1997 2:39am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 735894 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #735863, Reply to #735819, Reply to #735801, R*) (1 reply) VI>TE>VVI>TE>VI>Of course it is some kind of barrier. Maybe not a great one, b VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>one. VI>TE>VI>TE>It is a barrier for LARGE things, not for molecular-sized things. ( VI>TE>VI>TE>viruses). An object of that small a scale can seep through the ute VI>TE>VI>TE>wall and into the blood stream more easily than it can fly through VI>TE>VI>TE>air! VI>TE>VI>How could that be possibly true! That makes no sense! VI>TE>It makes PERFECT sense! I would love to explain to you how it makes VI>TE>sense, but it would be quite a lengthy explanation and I don't know how VI>TE>good I am at explaining technical things like that. It would make sense VI>TE>to you if you had some background in physiology! VI>TE>I mean, you can't think of the uterine "wall" as being like a real VI>TE>"wall" of some sort and thus being a barrier. It is much more VI>TE>complicated than that. The cells that make up the uterus are not like VI>TE>bricks; they have gaps in them for various purposes, such as for the VI>TE>obvious purpose of blood draining every month, and since the uterus is VI>TE>constantly lined with blood (and thus T4 lymphocytes which are the blood VI>TE>cells that get infected by HIV), these T4's are in adequate number VI>TE>inside the uterus to be able to get infected and carry the infection VI>TE>into the body via all those gaps in between cells. VI>It still think you are exagerating your point when you say the uterus VI>is a poorer barrier than the air. After all that scientific explanation you still think so? Air is a very poor barrier for most microorganisms. In fact, very few are transmissible through air alone. In terms of viruses, they NEED foreign DNA and proteins to replicate and thus survive, so they can't survive for very long in air because air lacks DNA and proteins! The uterus, however, is very much DNA and protein-rich, making it a perfect place for viruses to thrive and transport themselves into the bloodstream! Considering the above explanation and my explanation from the previous post, HOW, EXACTLY, do you still think that the uterus is a good barrier? If you still think so, then I oughtta MAKE you read my physiology textbook. :) Date: Monday, May 19, 1997 2:42am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 735895 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #735864, Reply to #735820, Reply to #735802, R*) (1 reply) VI>TE>VVI>TE>VI>TE>True, but in the case of viral infections, the structure on VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>level, of the virus and the cells being attacked, is what aff VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>function, NOT structure on a large scale such as gross anatom VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>You are missing my point. Structure on a gross level can also c VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>into play. Weren't you just arguing one point ago that the stru VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>of the uterus effected its ability to act as a barrier? All I a VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>saying is that the structure of the anus may effect its ability VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>as a barrier. VI>TE>VI>TE>But my argument about the uterus as an ineffective barrier is based VI>TE>VI>TE>its MOLECULAR structure, which is a very different concept than gro VI>TE>VI>TE>anatomical structure. On the molecular level, the uterus is a much VI>TE>VI>TE>barrier than the anus (provided the anus has no tears) because the VI>TE>VI>TE>of the anus has a much thicker, sturdier epithelial lining, with it VI>TE>VI>TE>cells fitted much closer together & with thicker layers of them... VI>TE>VI>TE>the uterine epithelial cells are in a much thinner layer and are fi VI>TE>VI>TE>much more sparsely, with many gaps in between to allow for more str VI>TE>VI>But annal sex causes tears to occur! So most of the time when a perso VI>TE>VI>engages in annal sex there will be tears in the annus! VI>TE>Not necessarily! Especially not if lube is used, and especially not if VI>TE>the reciever is an "anal virgin." Besides, like I said already, the anus VI>TE>NEEDS tears to have a chance of causing transmission, however the VI>TE>vagina/uterus does NOT need tears at all. VI>The chances of tears not occurring from anal sex is slim to VI>nonexistent, IMHO. Why would you think that? Rectal tissue is actually pretty thick and tough. For example, how often do you get tears from large bowel movements? This is a rhetorical question, of course, you don't have to answer that :) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Your argument that anal sex is more dangerous because t VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>intended for entrance just has no scientific backing wh VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>That doesn't mean that it's not true. :) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Doesn't mean it's true, either :) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>It's true because it's common sense. :) VI>TE>VI>TE>It's common sense for YOU! For me it's NO sense! :) VI>TE>VI>What about what I was saying earlier about annal sex causing tears? VI>TE>See previous comment in this message, as well as my reply to your VI>TE>message right before this one! VI>And I still think you are wrong. :) PROVE me wrong! Betcha can't :) Date: Monday, May 19, 1997 2:52am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 735896 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #735865, Reply to #735821, Reply to #735803, R*) (1 reply) VI>TE>VVI>TE>I used condoms, and one broke and I got pregnant, that's why I wen VI>TE>VI>TE>the pill. Ugh, I would never use a diaghram, the thought of stickin VI>TE>VI>TE>that thing inside my vagina every time I want to have sex.. Yeesh! VI>TE>VI>You put a diaphrahm in hours before you have sex and then take it out VI>TE>VI>and clean it. It's no big deal. VI>TE>Hours before you have sex?!?! How do you know hours beforehand, that VI>TE>you're GOING to have sex?! I don't know about you, but my sex is always VI>TE>spontaneous! I never know that I'm going to have sex until I have it! VI>True, true. But you generally know in advance before you get together VI>with your partner. What if you live with your partner? Then you're with them all the time except when you're at work, and u never know when sex is gonna happen! VI>I just put in the diaphram before getting together with Bob and keep it VI>in until he leaves. This way, if we want to have sex, we can. If we VI>don't, we don't. Eh, sounds like a pain in the ass. Besides, I'm paranoid about putting putting foreign objects that far inside, they might be contaminated and cause an infection, etc. I had a bad experience the first time I tried using a tampon when I was 14 years old - I inserted it and a few minutes later I passed out! So I'm paranoid about tampons, diaphragms, anything like that. VI>TE>VI>TE>I have never read THAT, but if it's true, sounds good! The informat VI>TE>VI>TE>about the pill preventing cervical cancer is written on the detaile VI>TE>VI>TE>information insert that comes with the pill, which outlines all of VI>TE>VI>TE>risks and benefits. VI>TE>VI>I still wouldn't take the risk of playing with hormones. But as I hav VI>TE>VI>said, once I start experiencing menopause symptoms I will probably not VI>TE>VI>be able to tolerate the hot flashes and will probably turn to HRT. I VI>TE>VI>have a very low threshold for pain! VI>TE>I would rather take the risk of playing with hormones than take the risk VI>TE>of another unwanted pregnancy. Getting pregnant screwed up my system VI>TE>much more than being on the pill ever did. VI>TE>What's HRT? VI>Hormone replacement Therapy. VI>I am getting to the age when I have to seriously think in terms of what VI>I will do once menopause starts. Especially since I have never been VI>pregnant, menopause could start within the next five years for me. That would be a good idea to think about it! Have you seen a gynecologist about it? Date: Monday, May 19, 1997 2:54am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 735897 To: Vida Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #735866, Reply to #735822, Reply to #735806, R*) (1 reply) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>SY>And be sure that no feelings of jealousy would arise? VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>SY>countless things wouldn't fuck up their relationship? VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>SY>I dont know if those are the things Vida meant.. but I' VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>SY>it so many times.. and everytime I thought about it, I VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>SY>possible way for things not to get fucked up. VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>SY>unfortunately... VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>That's EXACTLY how I feel! VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>I don't see how it is possible to get involved in a nonexc VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>relationship WITHOUT someone getting jealous somewhere alo VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>It's possible. VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>But, complete trust and very open communication are necessary VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>You and I respectfully disagree on this point, Deb. I think hum VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>nature is such that jealousies are inevitable in this situation. VI>TE>VI>TE>Wow, looks like YOU and I agree on something for once, Vida :) VI>TE>VI>I think I'll faint. :) VI>TE>LOL! Same here :) VI>TE>VI>Now, can we ever convince Deb of this point? :) VI>TE>I don't think we can, because Deb really does not seem to be capable of VI>TE>jealousy, do you think she's human? :) VI>I guess she's an angel in disguise. :) Could well be! It is pretty amazing to lack that very ugly human emotion. I wish I could be like that!! Date: Monday, May 19, 1997 2:56am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 735898 To: Vida Re: shaving (Reply to #735867, Reply to #735823, Reply to #735807, R*) (1 reply) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>TE>Then you shave it again while it's still in stubble for VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>But why bother? To me the act of shaving your underarms a VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>is a deliberate attempt to infantalize women...to pretend VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>not an adult, but are a preadolescent girl. VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>OY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>Is that why men shave too? VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>Men don't shave their underarms and legs, Deb. VI>TE>VI>TE>Some do! A lot of them shave their chests, as well! VI>TE>VI>That's a whole different cultural thing! :) VI>TE>How is guys shaving their chests any different from women shaving their VI>TE>legs?? It's all about vanity, either way! VI>Must have the men who shave their chests are muscle builders. They VI>shave their chests so they can show off their muscle development. VI>Thus, they do so to enchance their virility, not diminish it. It's still all about vanity. Same reason why women shave their legs. Date: Monday, May 19, 1997 2:59am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 735899 To: Nightbird Re: shaving (Reply to #735881, Reply to #735823, Reply to #735807, R*) (1 reply) NI>TE>How is guys shaving their chests any different from women shaving their NI>TE>legs?? It's all about vanity, either way! NI>Excuse me, but WHY would a Guy even WANT to shave his chest!!!! NI>Speaking for myself I like some hair on a man's chest, & My Teddy Bear NI>just enought! Guys shave their chests for the same reason women shave their legs - smooth skin that shows off definition. A lot of men who are body builders, dancers, athletes, etc. shave their chests for that reason. IMHO a guy with a really good muscular build looks very good with a hairless chest. But shaved chests don't look good on all guys, some guys look good with some hair. Date: Monday, May 19, 1997 7:59pm Forum: Xrated From: Nightbird Msg#: 735939 To: Tempest Re: shaving (Reply to #735899, Reply to #735881, Reply to #735823, R*) (1 reply) TE>I>TE>How is guys shaving their chests any different from women shaving their TE>NI>TE>legs?? It's all about vanity, either way! TE>NI>Excuse me, but WHY would a Guy even WANT to shave his chest!!!! TE>NI>Speaking for myself I like some hair on a man's chest, & My Teddy Bear TE>NI>just enought! TE>Guys shave their chests for the same reason women shave their legs - TE>smooth skin that shows off definition. A lot of men who are body TE>builders, dancers, athletes, etc. shave their chests for that reason. TE>IMHO a guy with a really good muscular build looks very good with TE>a hairless chest. But shaved chests don't look good on all guys, TE>some guys look good with some hair. I understand that, but I wouldn't ever ask Steve to shave his chest for me, I like his chest hair way too much! --- þ OLX 2.1 TD þ I will not torment the emotionally frail. - Bart Simpson Date: Tuesday, May 20, 1997 1:46am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 735952 To: Nightbird Re: shaving (Reply to #735939, Reply to #735899, Reply to #735881, R*) (1 reply) NI>TE>I>TE>How is guys shaving their chests any different from women shaving th NI>TE>NI>TE>legs?? It's all about vanity, either way! NI>TE>NI>Excuse me, but WHY would a Guy even WANT to shave his chest!!!! NI>TE>NI>Speaking for myself I like some hair on a man's chest, & My Teddy Bear NI>TE>NI>just enought! NI>TE>Guys shave their chests for the same reason women shave their legs - NI>TE>smooth skin that shows off definition. A lot of men who are body NI>TE>builders, dancers, athletes, etc. shave their chests for that reason. NI>TE>IMHO a guy with a really good muscular build looks very good with NI>TE>a hairless chest. But shaved chests don't look good on all guys, NI>TE>some guys look good with some hair. NI>I understand that, but I wouldn't ever ask Steve to shave his chest for NI>me, I like his chest hair way too much! Well yeah, on some guys chest hair is great!! Date: Tuesday, May 20, 1997 7:58pm Forum: Xrated From: Nightbird Msg#: 736027 To: Tempest Re: shaving (Reply to #735952, Reply to #735939, Reply to #735899, R*) TE>I>TE>I>TE>How is guys shaving their chests any different from women shaving TE>NI>TE>NI>TE>legs?? It's all about vanity, either way! TE>NI>TE>NI>Excuse me, but WHY would a Guy even WANT to shave his chest!!!! TE>NI>TE>NI>Speaking for myself I like some hair on a man's chest, & My Teddy B TE>NI>TE>NI>just enought! TE>NI>TE>Guys shave their chests for the same reason women shave their legs - TE>NI>TE>smooth skin that shows off definition. A lot of men who are body TE>NI>TE>builders, dancers, athletes, etc. shave their chests for that reason. TE>NI>TE>IMHO a guy with a really good muscular build looks very good with TE>NI>TE>a hairless chest. But shaved chests don't look good on all guys, TE>NI>TE>some guys look good with some hair. TE>NI>I understand that, but I wouldn't ever ask Steve to shave his chest for TE>NI>me, I like his chest hair way too much! TE>Well yeah, on some guys chest hair is great!! YYYYYEEEEPPPPP!!!!! --- þ OLX 2.1 TD þ Press "+" to see another tagline. Date: Wednesday, May 21, 1997 7:10am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 736047 To: Tempest Re: animal sex! (Reply to #735890, Reply to #735859, Reply to #735815, R*) (1 reply) TE>VVI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>And I constantly and firmly deny any accusation of my bei TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>any sort! TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>(Except in certain circumstances, of course heheheh) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>And in revel in my animal essence, especially when having sex TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Yes! When having sex! THEN I'm an animal, but every other time I TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>perfectly civilized human being :) TE>VI>TE>VI>Every other time? :) TE>VI>TE>When I'm NOT having sex, I mean :) TE>VI>Every other time? :) TE>What do u mean?? I do not know, just suggesting that there may be other animal impulses out there. :) Date: Wednesday, May 21, 1997 7:20am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 736048 To: Tempest Re: Strap on's (Reply to #735891, Reply to #735860, Reply to #735816, R*) (1 reply) T TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>Nope. (Previous exchanges omitted) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Just the fact that you're even willing to have a heterosexual TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>relationship means you are somewhat bi! TE>VI>TE>VI>Depends upon whether you rigidly define sexuality. I don't. TE>VI>TE>Well, linguistically speaking, definitions have to be rigid in order f TE>VI>TE>it to mean the same thing to everyone... TE>VI>To justify maintaining categories for the sake of linguistic clarity is TE>VI>a poor argument. I think the categories we have created are totally TE>VI>artificial and meaningless. So why prolong them? TE>Homosexual = Being sexually attracted to the same sex. TE>Heterosexual = Being sexually attracted to the opposite sex. TE>Bisexual = Being sexually attracted to both sexes. TE>How are these definitions artificial and meaningless? They apply TE>to real character traits, and are necessary to discuss those TE>traits. They are artificial because I believe that by nature ALL humans are born "polymorphiously perverse"--meaning that we would fuck any thing--including animals, people of the same sex, people of the opposite sex, etc. The only reason why we don't act on these impulses is because of social constraints. Within the "straight" community, socialication and widespread homophobia acts to constrain "straight" people from acting on their homoerotic impulses. And unfortunately, within the g/l community, social constraints act to keep g/ls in line and to not act on their heterosexual impulses. TE>VI> TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>I mean, I consider myself overall to be heterosexual, but I thin TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>technically I'm at least a tiny bit bi because I am not at all a TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>messing around with a woman, if she's cute enough :) TE>VI>TE>VI>How cute? :) TE>VI>TE>Why do you ask? :) TE>VI>Just curious. :) TE>Uh-huh ;) It's just that inquiring minds want to know. :) Date: Wednesday, May 21, 1997 7:31am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 736049 To: Tempest Re: Strap on's (Reply to #735892, Reply to #735861, Reply to #735817, R*) (1 reply) (Previous exchanges ommitted) TE>VI>TE>VI>We will NEVER have a full picture. TE>VI>TE>NEVER say never!!! TE>VI>On that point, I am 100% convinced I am right. :) TE>And I am 100% convinced I am right. :) TE>Never say never is one of the mottos I live by!! TE>Why are you so positively sure that we will never have a full picture? TE>How can you be so sure? I mean, I'm sure that we will not have a TE>full picture in either of OUR lifetimes, but who's to say that we TE>won't have a full picture in a couple of hundred years, or in a couple TE>of thousand years, etc.? The reason why I believe that humans will never be able to obtain the full picture is largely religious. I believe there is a 'higher power' in the universe that humans can not possibly completely comprehend. I also believe that humans are by our very nature limited in our abilities and that the universe is so complex that our understanding can never be complete. I think my point of view is a very optimestic point of view--it means that humans will always be learning, always be growing, always be striving. I wouldn't want to live in a world where humans had a FULL understanding of the COMPLETE picture. Life would be very dull. There would be no incentive for any future research or inventions if that were so. Date: Wednesday, May 21, 1997 7:33am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 736051 To: Tempest Re: shaving (Reply to #735893, Reply to #735862, Reply to #735818, R*) (1 reply) TE>VI>TE>VVI>TE>VI>TE>I really don't think that politics have anything to do wi TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>IMHO hairy skin feels good on a GUY! TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>It also feels good on a woman! :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Says you :) TE>VI>TE>VI>I speak from intimate experience! :) TE>VI>TE>Hey, I've had some intimate experience with women! TE>VI>Then I should hope you would agree. :) TE>I don't though! I really love the feel of smooth skin! TE>I even like smooth skin on certain guys, it depends on what they TE>look like and how their build is. Some guys are better off with TE>smooth skin, and some are better off with body hair, because TE>it adds masculinity. And since I see body hair as being masculine TE>in a sexual way, then to me it doesn't really work well on a TE>woman! But remember ying and yang. In the midst of masculinity there is the kernel of feminity. And in the midst of feminity, there is the kernel of masculinity. And besides, to rub and stroke hairy skin feels nice! :) But not stubble.....I hate stubble! :( Date: Wednesday, May 21, 1997 7:34am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 736052 To: Tempest Re: Strap on's (Reply to #735894, Reply to #735863, Reply to #735819, R*) (2 replies) TE>VI>TE>VVI>TE>VI>Of course it is some kind of barrier. Maybe not a great one TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>one. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>It is a barrier for LARGE things, not for molecular-sized things TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>viruses). An object of that small a scale can seep through the TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>wall and into the blood stream more easily than it can fly throu TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>air! TE>VI>TE>VI>How could that be possibly true! That makes no sense! TE>VI>TE>It makes PERFECT sense! I would love to explain to you how it makes TE>VI>TE>sense, but it would be quite a lengthy explanation and I don't know ho TE>VI>TE>good I am at explaining technical things like that. It would make sens TE>VI>TE>to you if you had some background in physiology! TE>VI>TE>I mean, you can't think of the uterine "wall" as being like a real TE>VI>TE>"wall" of some sort and thus being a barrier. It is much more TE>VI>TE>complicated than that. The cells that make up the uterus are not like TE>VI>TE>bricks; they have gaps in them for various purposes, such as for the TE>VI>TE>obvious purpose of blood draining every month, and since the uterus is TE>VI>TE>constantly lined with blood (and thus T4 lymphocytes which are the blo TE>VI>TE>cells that get infected by HIV), these T4's are in adequate number TE>VI>TE>inside the uterus to be able to get infected and carry the infection TE>VI>TE>into the body via all those gaps in between cells. TE>VI>It still think you are exagerating your point when you say the uterus TE>VI>is a poorer barrier than the air. TE>After all that scientific explanation you still think so? Air is a TE>very poor barrier for most microorganisms. In fact, very few are TE>transmissible through air alone. In terms of viruses, they NEED TE>foreign DNA and proteins to replicate and thus survive, so they can't TE>survive for very long in air because air lacks DNA and proteins! TE>The uterus, however, is very much DNA and protein-rich, making it TE>a perfect place for viruses to thrive and transport themselves TE>into the bloodstream! TE>Considering the above explanation and my explanation from the TE>previous post, HOW, EXACTLY, do you still think that the uterus TE>is a good barrier? TE>If you still think so, then I oughtta MAKE you read my physiology TE>textbook. :) What phsyiology textbook? :) Date: Wednesday, May 21, 1997 7:38am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 736053 To: Tempest Re: Strap on's (Reply to #735895, Reply to #735864, Reply to #735820, R*) (1 reply) TE>VI>TE>VVI>TE>VI>TE>True, but in the case of viral infections, the structure TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>level, of the virus and the cells being attacked, is what TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>function, NOT structure on a large scale such as gross ana TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>You are missing my point. Structure on a gross level can als TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>into play. Weren't you just arguing one point ago that the s TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>of the uterus effected its ability to act as a barrier? All TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>saying is that the structure of the anus may effect its abili TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>as a barrier. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>But my argument about the uterus as an ineffective barrier is ba TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>its MOLECULAR structure, which is a very different concept than TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>anatomical structure. On the molecular level, the uterus is a mu TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>barrier than the anus (provided the anus has no tears) because t TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>of the anus has a much thicker, sturdier epithelial lining, with TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>cells fitted much closer together & with thicker layers of them. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>the uterine epithelial cells are in a much thinner layer and are TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>much more sparsely, with many gaps in between to allow for more TE>VI>TE>VI>But annal sex causes tears to occur! So most of the time when a pe TE>VI>TE>VI>engages in annal sex there will be tears in the annus! TE>VI>TE>Not necessarily! Especially not if lube is used, and especially not if TE>VI>TE>the reciever is an "anal virgin." Besides, like I said already, the an TE>VI>TE>NEEDS tears to have a chance of causing transmission, however the TE>VI>TE>vagina/uterus does NOT need tears at all. TE>VI>The chances of tears not occurring from anal sex is slim to TE>VI>nonexistent, IMHO. TE>Why would you think that? Rectal tissue is actually pretty thick and TE>tough. For example, how often do you get tears from large bowel TE>movements? This is a rhetorical question, of course, you don't have TE>to answer that :) But the last time I checked none of my bowel movements were the size of a man's penis. :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Your argument that anal sex is more dangerous becaus TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>intended for entrance just has no scientific backing TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>That doesn't mean that it's not true. :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Doesn't mean it's true, either :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>It's true because it's common sense. :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>It's common sense for YOU! For me it's NO sense! :) TE>VI>TE>VI>What about what I was saying earlier about annal sex causing tears? TE>VI>TE>See previous comment in this message, as well as my reply to your TE>VI>TE>message right before this one! TE>VI>And I still think you are wrong. :) TE>PROVE me wrong! Betcha can't :) I still think your thinking is off because the size of a penis is much larger than the size of a shit. Also I think that it makes a difference in terms of friction as to whether something is being pushed OUT of the annus as opposed to shoved INTO the annus. Date: Wednesday, May 21, 1997 7:55am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 736054 To: Tempest Re: Strap on's (Reply to #735896, Reply to #735865, Reply to #735821, R*) (1 reply) TE>VI>TE>VVI>TE>I used condoms, and one broke and I got pregnant, that's why I TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>the pill. Ugh, I would never use a diaghram, the thought of stic TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>that thing inside my vagina every time I want to have sex.. Yees TE>VI>TE>VI>You put a diaphrahm in hours before you have sex and then take it o TE>VI>TE>VI>and clean it. It's no big deal. TE>VI>TE>Hours before you have sex?!?! How do you know hours beforehand, that TE>VI>TE>you're GOING to have sex?! I don't know about you, but my sex is alway TE>VI>TE>spontaneous! I never know that I'm going to have sex until I have it! TE>VI>True, true. But you generally know in advance before you get together TE>VI>with your partner. TE>What if you live with your partner? Then you're with them all the time TE>except when you're at work, and u never know when sex is gonna happen! Even when you live with your partner you work for at least 8 hours a day--and you are away from your partner for at least 10 hours a day. (I am giving a one hour commute in each direction.) It could still work out. :) TE>VI>I just put in the diaphram before getting together with Bob and keep it TE>VI>in until he leaves. This way, if we want to have sex, we can. If we TE>VI>don't, we don't. TE>Eh, sounds like a pain in the ass. Besides, I'm paranoid about putting TE>putting foreign objects that far inside, they might be contaminated TE>and cause an infection, etc. I had a bad experience the first time TE>I tried using a tampon when I was 14 years old - I inserted it and TE>a few minutes later I passed out! So I'm paranoid about tampons, TE>diaphragms, anything like that. You don't use tampons?!? You use pads?!? YUCK! But I do understand your fear. Before I started using a diaphram I used a cervical cap for a while. I ended up having to having to endure a colposcopy and then cryotherapy because a pap test showed I had some abnormalities on my utterine wall. And cryotherapy is not fun, believe me! My gynocologist told me the abnormalities were probably caused by the friction against the cervical cap during sex and advised me to switch to a diaphram. (As per my gynocologist a cervical cap lies closer to the uterus than a diaphram and is therefore a greater risk for this kind of damage than a diaphram. I originally choose a cervical cap because it can be kept in place for up to three days, while a diaphram has to be aired out every day.) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>I have never read THAT, but if it's true, sounds good! The infor TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>about the pill preventing cervical cancer is written on the deta TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>information insert that comes with the pill, which outlines all TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>risks and benefits. TE>VI>TE>VI>I still wouldn't take the risk of playing with hormones. But as I TE>VI>TE>VI>said, once I start experiencing menopause symptoms I will probably TE>VI>TE>VI>be able to tolerate the hot flashes and will probably turn to HRT. TE>VI>TE>VI>have a very low threshold for pain! TE>VI>TE>I would rather take the risk of playing with hormones than take the ri TE>VI>TE>of another unwanted pregnancy. Getting pregnant screwed up my system TE>VI>TE>much more than being on the pill ever did. TE>VI>TE>What's HRT? TE>VI>Hormone replacement Therapy. TE>VI>I am getting to the age when I have to seriously think in terms of what TE>VI>I will do once menopause starts. Especially since I have never been TE>VI>pregnant, menopause could start within the next five years for me. TE>That would be a good idea to think about it! Have you seen a TE>gynecologist about it? Nope. Right now my periods are still regular so I have no need for it. And I am still relatively young, so I could still have another 10 years of menstruation to go. My game plan is that when my periods start becoming irregular that I will get a referral to hynotherapy and biofeedback. I figure I will try to control the symptoms of menopause that way, and if that doesn't work, then go for the HRT. But given my low threshold tolerance for pain, I wouldn't be surprised if I abandon this plan with my first hot flash. :) Date: Wednesday, May 21, 1997 10:18pm Forum: Xrated From: Wanderer Msg#: 736082 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #736052, Reply to #735894, Reply to #735863, R*) how about oral sex? if you swallow you can't get pregnant!!!!! Date: Thursday, May 22, 1997 6:49am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 736126 To: Tempest Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #735897, Reply to #735866, Reply to #735822, R*) (1 reply) (Previous exchanges omitted) TE>VI>TE>I don't think we can, because Deb really does not seem to be capable o TE>VI>TE>jealousy, do you think she's human? :) TE>VI>I guess she's an angel in disguise. :) TE>Could well be! It is pretty amazing to lack that very ugly human TE>emotion. I wish I could be like that!! I wouldn't want to give up my jealousy. I think, actually, it's a healthy emotion that guards you against being abused. Date: Thursday, May 22, 1997 6:51am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 736127 To: Tempest Re: shaving (Reply to #735898, Reply to #735867, Reply to #735823, R*) (1 reply) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>TE>Then you shave it again while it's still in stubble TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>But why bother? To me the act of shaving your underarm TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>is a deliberate attempt to infantalize women...to prete TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>not an adult, but are a preadolescent girl. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>OY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>Is that why men shave too? TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>Men don't shave their underarms and legs, Deb. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Some do! A lot of them shave their chests, as well! TE>VI>TE>VI>That's a whole different cultural thing! :) TE>VI>TE>How is guys shaving their chests any different from women shaving thei TE>VI>TE>legs?? It's all about vanity, either way! TE>VI>Must have the men who shave their chests are muscle builders. They TE>VI>shave their chests so they can show off their muscle development. TE>VI>Thus, they do so to enchance their virility, not diminish it. TE>It's still all about vanity. Same reason why women shave their legs. Not the same thing. As you suggested, hair is considered masculine and virile. So when women shave their legs they are trying to diminish their strength. Date: Thursday, May 22, 1997 10:11pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 736163 To: Vida Re: animal sex! (Reply to #736047, Reply to #735890, Reply to #735859, R*) (1 reply) VI>TE>VVI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>And I constantly and firmly deny any accusation of my VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>any sort! VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>(Except in certain circumstances, of course heheheh) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>And in revel in my animal essence, especially when having VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Yes! When having sex! THEN I'm an animal, but every other tim VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>perfectly civilized human being :) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>Every other time? :) VI>TE>VI>TE>When I'm NOT having sex, I mean :) VI>TE>VI>Every other time? :) VI>TE>What do u mean?? VI>I do not know, just suggesting that there may be other animal impulses VI>out there. :) Out where? In me? nope, only during sex! Otherwise I'm very ahem civilized! Heheh Date: Thursday, May 22, 1997 10:20pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 736164 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #736048, Reply to #735891, Reply to #735860, R*) (2 replies) VI>T VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>Nope. VI>(Previous exchanges omitted) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Just the fact that you're even willing to have a heterosexual VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>relationship means you are somewhat bi! VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>Depends upon whether you rigidly define sexuality. I don't. VI>TE>VI>TE>Well, linguistically speaking, definitions have to be rigid in orde VI>TE>VI>TE>it to mean the same thing to everyone... VI>TE>VI>To justify maintaining categories for the sake of linguistic clarity i VI>TE>VI>a poor argument. I think the categories we have created are totally VI>TE>VI>artificial and meaningless. So why prolong them? VI>TE>Homosexual = Being sexually attracted to the same sex. VI>TE>Heterosexual = Being sexually attracted to the opposite sex. VI>TE>Bisexual = Being sexually attracted to both sexes. VI>TE>How are these definitions artificial and meaningless? They apply VI>TE>to real character traits, and are necessary to discuss those VI>TE>traits. VI>They are artificial because I believe that by nature ALL humans are VI>born "polymorphiously perverse"--meaning that we would fuck any VI>thing--including animals, people of the same sex, people of the VI>opposite sex, etc. The only reason why we don't act on these impulses VI>is because of social constraints. VI>Within the "straight" community, socialication and widespread VI>homophobia acts to constrain "straight" people from acting on their VI>homoerotic impulses. And unfortunately, within the g/l community, VI>social constraints act to keep g/ls in line and to not act on their VI>heterosexual impulses. ?!?!?! Animals!??!?!? Ugh, you are kidding!!! You gotta be! That is nasty!!! And no, I don't say that because of "socialization" of any sort, the thought of doing anything sexual with an ANIMAL is really genuinely nauseating to me!! With all respect, IMHO you believe that people would naturally fuck either sex because YOU are open to that. I may think that some women are sexy and may even do something sexual with a women, but I am FAR more sexually attracted to men, not because I'm socialized that way, but because that is just my gut attraction. IMHO being attracted to men, women, children, animals, cucumbers, donuts, or what have you is an instinctual taste unique to each individual! VI> VI>TE>VI> VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>I mean, I consider myself overall to be heterosexual, but I t VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>technically I'm at least a tiny bit bi because I am not at al VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>messing around with a woman, if she's cute enough :) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>How cute? :) VI>TE>VI>TE>Why do you ask? :) VI>TE>VI>Just curious. :) VI>TE>Uh-huh ;) VI>It's just that inquiring minds want to know. :) Well, it's hard to explain "how cute" in words, u know? :) Date: Thursday, May 22, 1997 10:25pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 736165 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #736049, Reply to #735892, Reply to #735861, R*) (1 reply) VI>(Previous exchanges ommitted) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>We will NEVER have a full picture. VI>TE>VI>TE>NEVER say never!!! VI>TE>VI>On that point, I am 100% convinced I am right. :) VI>TE>And I am 100% convinced I am right. :) VI>TE>Never say never is one of the mottos I live by!! VI>TE>Why are you so positively sure that we will never have a full picture? VI>TE>How can you be so sure? I mean, I'm sure that we will not have a VI>TE>full picture in either of OUR lifetimes, but who's to say that we VI>TE>won't have a full picture in a couple of hundred years, or in a couple VI>TE>of thousand years, etc.? VI>The reason why I believe that humans will never be able to obtain the VI>full picture is largely religious. I believe there is a 'higher power' VI>in the universe that humans can not possibly completely comprehend. I VI>also believe that humans are by our very nature limited in our VI>abilities and that the universe is so complex that our understanding VI>can never be complete. That is possible, but as I am not particularly religious, I tend to think that over thousands of years evolution might eventually expand our intellectual capabilities to a point where we might possibly be able to comprehend the complexities of the universe. WE are a part of this universe, and if we can someday understand ourselves (and even now we are working on this very intensely) then that will bring us close to understanding existence in general. VI>I think my point of view is a very optimestic point of view--it means VI>that humans will always be learning, always be growing, always be VI>striving. I wouldn't want to live in a world where humans had a FULL VI>understanding of the COMPLETE picture. Life would be very dull. There VI>would be no incentive for any future research or inventions if that VI>were so. That's a good point... but perhaps if we have an understanding of the full picture, then life will just be completely different from how we know it now, and perhaps we won't NEED research or inventions or learning to make us happy, maybe we will have discovered a completely different, currently unimaginable way of making us feel fulfilled. Date: Thursday, May 22, 1997 10:27pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 736168 To: Vida Re: shaving (Reply to #736051, Reply to #735893, Reply to #735862, R*) (1 reply) VI>TE>VI>TE>VVI>TE>VI>TE>I really don't think that politics have anything to do VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>IMHO hairy skin feels good on a GUY! VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>It also feels good on a woman! :) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Says you :) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>I speak from intimate experience! :) VI>TE>VI>TE>Hey, I've had some intimate experience with women! VI>TE>VI>Then I should hope you would agree. :) VI>TE>I don't though! I really love the feel of smooth skin! VI>TE>I even like smooth skin on certain guys, it depends on what they VI>TE>look like and how their build is. Some guys are better off with VI>TE>smooth skin, and some are better off with body hair, because VI>TE>it adds masculinity. And since I see body hair as being masculine VI>TE>in a sexual way, then to me it doesn't really work well on a VI>TE>woman! VI>But remember ying and yang. In the midst of masculinity there is the VI>kernel of feminity. And in the midst of feminity, there is the kernel VI>of masculinity. Very true! But I like my masculine kernel in femininity to be something other than body hair :) VI>And besides, to rub and stroke hairy skin feels nice! :) It's a matter of preference! VI>But not stubble.....I hate stubble! :( Yeah, stubble does suck. Date: Thursday, May 22, 1997 10:29pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 736169 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #736052, Reply to #735894, Reply to #735863, R*) (1 reply) VI>TE>VI>TE>VVI>TE>VI>Of course it is some kind of barrier. Maybe not a great VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>one. VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>It is a barrier for LARGE things, not for molecular-sized thi VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>viruses). An object of that small a scale can seep through t VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>wall and into the blood stream more easily than it can fly th VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>air! VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>How could that be possibly true! That makes no sense! VI>TE>VI>TE>It makes PERFECT sense! I would love to explain to you how it makes VI>TE>VI>TE>sense, but it would be quite a lengthy explanation and I don't know VI>TE>VI>TE>good I am at explaining technical things like that. It would make s VI>TE>VI>TE>to you if you had some background in physiology! VI>TE>VI>TE>I mean, you can't think of the uterine "wall" as being like a real VI>TE>VI>TE>"wall" of some sort and thus being a barrier. It is much more VI>TE>VI>TE>complicated than that. The cells that make up the uterus are not li VI>TE>VI>TE>bricks; they have gaps in them for various purposes, such as for th VI>TE>VI>TE>obvious purpose of blood draining every month, and since the uterus VI>TE>VI>TE>constantly lined with blood (and thus T4 lymphocytes which are the VI>TE>VI>TE>cells that get infected by HIV), these T4's are in adequate number VI>TE>VI>TE>inside the uterus to be able to get infected and carry the infectio VI>TE>VI>TE>into the body via all those gaps in between cells. VI>TE>VI>It still think you are exagerating your point when you say the uterus VI>TE>VI>is a poorer barrier than the air. VI>TE>After all that scientific explanation you still think so? Air is a VI>TE>very poor barrier for most microorganisms. In fact, very few are VI>TE>transmissible through air alone. In terms of viruses, they NEED VI>TE>foreign DNA and proteins to replicate and thus survive, so they can't VI>TE>survive for very long in air because air lacks DNA and proteins! VI>TE>The uterus, however, is very much DNA and protein-rich, making it VI>TE>a perfect place for viruses to thrive and transport themselves VI>TE>into the bloodstream! VI>TE>Considering the above explanation and my explanation from the VI>TE>previous post, HOW, EXACTLY, do you still think that the uterus VI>TE>is a good barrier? VI>TE>If you still think so, then I oughtta MAKE you read my physiology VI>TE>textbook. :) VI>What phsyiology textbook? :) MY physiology textbook! The one which I had to read almost all 900+ pages of! The one I am threatening you with now! :) And I oughtta also throw in my microbiology textbook too, just for the hell of it :) Date: Friday, May 23, 1997 3:59am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 736176 To: Tempest Re: animal sex! (Reply to #736163, Reply to #736047, Reply to #735890, R*) (1 reply) TE>VI>TE>VVI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>And I constantly and firmly deny any accusation of TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>any sort! TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>(Except in certain circumstances, of course heheheh) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>And in revel in my animal essence, especially when havi TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Yes! When having sex! THEN I'm an animal, but every other TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>perfectly civilized human being :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>Every other time? :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>When I'm NOT having sex, I mean :) TE>VI>TE>VI>Every other time? :) TE>VI>TE>What do u mean?? TE>VI>I do not know, just suggesting that there may be other animal impulses TE>VI>out there. :) TE>Out where? In me? nope, only during sex! Otherwise I'm very ahem TE>civilized! Heheh Ok, I'll just have to take your world for it! :) Date: Friday, May 23, 1997 4:03am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 736177 To: Tempest Re: Strap on's (Reply to #736164, Reply to #736048, Reply to #735891, R*) (1 reply) I'm at Bob's new computer, so I definitely haven't figured out how to cut and paste on this baby. Re; your comment that you believe that being attracted to men, women, children, animals, cumcumbes, donuts is an instinctual taste unique to each person, I have a lot of problems with that comment. I really do believe that humans would natrually have sex with animals, cucumbers, etc. if they could. It is socialisation that restricts and channels those choices. :) Date: Friday, May 23, 1997 7:06am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 736181 To: Tempest Re: Strap on's (Reply to #736164, Reply to #736048, Reply to #735891, R*) (1 reply) (Previous exchanges omitted) TE>VI>TE>VI>To justify maintaining categories for the sake of linguistic clarit TE>VI>TE>VI>a poor argument. I think the categories we have created are totall TE>VI>TE>VI>artificial and meaningless. So why prolong them? TE>VI>TE>Homosexual = Being sexually attracted to the same sex. TE>VI>TE>Heterosexual = Being sexually attracted to the opposite sex. TE>VI>TE>Bisexual = Being sexually attracted to both sexes. TE>VI>TE>How are these definitions artificial and meaningless? They apply TE>VI>TE>to real character traits, and are necessary to discuss those TE>VI>TE>traits. TE>VI>They are artificial because I believe that by nature ALL humans are TE>VI>born "polymorphiously perverse"--meaning that we would fuck any TE>VI>thing--including animals, people of the same sex, people of the TE>VI>opposite sex, etc. The only reason why we don't act on these impulses TE>VI>is because of social constraints. TE>VI>Within the "straight" community, socialication and widespread TE>VI>homophobia acts to constrain "straight" people from acting on their TE>VI>homoerotic impulses. And unfortunately, within the g/l community, TE>VI>social constraints act to keep g/ls in line and to not act on their TE>VI>heterosexual impulses. TE>?!?!?! Animals!??!?!? Ugh, you are kidding!!! You gotta be! That is TE>nasty!!! And no, I don't say that because of "socialization" of any TE>sort, the thought of doing anything sexual with an ANIMAL is really TE>genuinely nauseating to me!! No, I am not kidding. I am deadly serious. People would seek sexual pleasure from just about every conceiveable source if it were not for socialization. Our natural state is this way! TE>With all respect, IMHO you believe that people would naturally fuck TE>either sex because YOU are open to that. I may think that some women are TE>sexy and may even do something sexual with a women, but I am FAR more TE>sexually attracted to men, not because I'm socialized that way, but TE>because that is just my gut attraction. People would naturally fuck doorknobs. Tempest! Read Frued if you don't believe me. :) TE>IMHO being attracted to men, women, children, animals, cucumbers, TE>donuts, or what have you is an instinctual taste unique to each TE>individual! This is a relatively modern concept. Our entire conception of "heterosexuality", "homosexuality" or "bisexuality" only really developed in the late 19th or early 20th century. TE>VI> TE>VI>TE>VI> TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>I mean, I consider myself overall to be heterosexual, but TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>technically I'm at least a tiny bit bi because I am not at TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>messing around with a woman, if she's cute enough :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>How cute? :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Why do you ask? :) TE>VI>TE>VI>Just curious. :) TE>VI>TE>Uh-huh ;) TE>VI>It's just that inquiring minds want to know. :) TE>Well, it's hard to explain "how cute" in words, u know? :) That I understand completely! :) Date: Friday, May 23, 1997 7:12am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 736182 To: Tempest Re: Strap on's (Reply to #736165, Reply to #736049, Reply to #735892, R*) (1 reply) TE>VI>(Previous exchanges ommitted) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>We will NEVER have a full picture. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>NEVER say never!!! TE>VI>TE>VI>On that point, I am 100% convinced I am right. :) TE>VI>TE>And I am 100% convinced I am right. :) TE>VI>TE>Never say never is one of the mottos I live by!! TE>VI>TE>Why are you so positively sure that we will never have a full picture? TE>VI>TE>How can you be so sure? I mean, I'm sure that we will not have a TE>VI>TE>full picture in either of OUR lifetimes, but who's to say that we TE>VI>TE>won't have a full picture in a couple of hundred years, or in a couple TE>VI>TE>of thousand years, etc.? TE>VI>The reason why I believe that humans will never be able to obtain the TE>VI>full picture is largely religious. I believe there is a 'higher power' TE>VI>in the universe that humans can not possibly completely comprehend. I TE>VI>also believe that humans are by our very nature limited in our TE>VI>abilities and that the universe is so complex that our understanding TE>VI>can never be complete. TE>That is possible, but as I am not particularly religious, I tend to TE>think that over thousands of years evolution might eventually expand our TE>intellectual capabilities to a point where we might possibly be able to TE>comprehend the complexities of the universe. WE are a part of this TE>universe, and if we can someday understand ourselves (and even now we TE>are working on this very intensely) then that will bring us close to TE>understanding existence in general. Human capacity is much too limited to ever permit this kind of understanding. Even if somehow we learned to use the 90% of our brain that we do not now currently utilize I don't think that we will ever to penetrate the secrets of the universe. But then again, I don't think that it is necessarily bad that we are not able to do so--I don't trust that humans would use this kind of ultimate knowledge wisely. TE>VI>I think my point of view is a very optimestic point of view--it means TE>VI>that humans will always be learning, always be growing, always be TE>VI>striving. I wouldn't want to live in a world where humans had a FULL TE>VI>understanding of the COMPLETE picture. Life would be very dull. There TE>VI>would be no incentive for any future research or inventions if that TE>VI>were so. TE> TE>That's a good point... but perhaps if we have an understanding of the TE>full picture, then life will just be completely different from how we TE>know it now, and perhaps we won't NEED research or inventions or TE>learning to make us happy, maybe we will have discovered a completely TE>different, currently unimaginable way of making us feel fulfilled. I think that humans are animals that have an initate NEED to learn and to grow. I don't think it would be possible for us to feel fulfilled if we didn't have something new to discover. Date: Friday, May 23, 1997 7:15am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 736183 To: Tempest Re: shaving (Reply to #736168, Reply to #736051, Reply to #735893, R*) (1 reply) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VVI>TE>VI>TE>I really don't think that politics have anything to TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>IMHO hairy skin feels good on a GUY! TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>It also feels good on a woman! :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Says you :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>I speak from intimate experience! :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Hey, I've had some intimate experience with women! TE>VI>TE>VI>Then I should hope you would agree. :) TE>VI>TE>I don't though! I really love the feel of smooth skin! TE>VI>TE>I even like smooth skin on certain guys, it depends on what they TE>VI>TE>look like and how their build is. Some guys are better off with TE>VI>TE>smooth skin, and some are better off with body hair, because TE>VI>TE>it adds masculinity. And since I see body hair as being masculine TE>VI>TE>in a sexual way, then to me it doesn't really work well on a TE>VI>TE>woman! TE>VI>But remember ying and yang. In the midst of masculinity there is the TE>VI>kernel of feminity. And in the midst of feminity, there is the kernel TE>VI>of masculinity. TE>Very true! But I like my masculine kernel in femininity to be something TE>other than body hair :) And I like my lovers to be natural. So wherever hair grows, I like it! :) TE>VI>And besides, to rub and stroke hairy skin feels nice! :) TE>It's a matter of preference! That goes without saying. :) TE>VI>But not stubble.....I hate stubble! :( TE>Yeah, stubble does suck. It's one of my least favorite parts of my current lover--waking up to stubble in the AM. :( Date: Friday, May 23, 1997 7:18am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 736184 To: Tempest Re: Strap on's (Reply to #736169, Reply to #736052, Reply to #735894, R*) (1 reply) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VVI>TE>VI>Of course it is some kind of barrier. Maybe not a gre TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>one. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>It is a barrier for LARGE things, not for molecular-sized TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>viruses). An object of that small a scale can seep throug TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>wall and into the blood stream more easily than it can fly TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>air! TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>How could that be possibly true! That makes no sense! TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>It makes PERFECT sense! I would love to explain to you how it ma TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>sense, but it would be quite a lengthy explanation and I don't k TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>good I am at explaining technical things like that. It would mak TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>to you if you had some background in physiology! TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>I mean, you can't think of the uterine "wall" as being like a re TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>"wall" of some sort and thus being a barrier. It is much more TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>complicated than that. The cells that make up the uterus are not TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>bricks; they have gaps in them for various purposes, such as for TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>obvious purpose of blood draining every month, and since the ute TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>constantly lined with blood (and thus T4 lymphocytes which are t TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>cells that get infected by HIV), these T4's are in adequate numb TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>inside the uterus to be able to get infected and carry the infec TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>into the body via all those gaps in between cells. TE>VI>TE>VI>It still think you are exagerating your point when you say the uter TE>VI>TE>VI>is a poorer barrier than the air. TE>VI>TE>After all that scientific explanation you still think so? Air is a TE>VI>TE>very poor barrier for most microorganisms. In fact, very few are TE>VI>TE>transmissible through air alone. In terms of viruses, they NEED TE>VI>TE>foreign DNA and proteins to replicate and thus survive, so they can't TE>VI>TE>survive for very long in air because air lacks DNA and proteins! TE>VI>TE>The uterus, however, is very much DNA and protein-rich, making it TE>VI>TE>a perfect place for viruses to thrive and transport themselves TE>VI>TE>into the bloodstream! TE>VI>TE>Considering the above explanation and my explanation from the TE>VI>TE>previous post, HOW, EXACTLY, do you still think that the uterus TE>VI>TE>is a good barrier? TE>VI>TE>If you still think so, then I oughtta MAKE you read my physiology TE>VI>TE>textbook. :) TE>VI>What phsyiology textbook? :) TE>MY physiology textbook! The one which I had to read almost all 900+ TE>pages of! The one I am threatening you with now! :) And I oughtta also TE>throw in my microbiology textbook too, just for the hell of it :) Please don't throw anything at me! :) Actually you can just tell me to pick up a copy of "Courtroom Medicine for Lawyers" or other similiar medical books designed specifically for lawyers. Remember I do personal injury law, which requires that you have some understanding of the body parts and systems which were allegedly injuried. Date: Tuesday, May 27, 1997 4:35am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 736256 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #736053, Reply to #735895, Reply to #735864, R*) (1 reply) VVI>TE>VI>The chances of tears not occurring from anal sex is slim to VI>TE>VI>nonexistent, IMHO. VI>TE>Why would you think that? Rectal tissue is actually pretty thick and VI>TE>tough. For example, how often do you get tears from large bowel VI>TE>movements? This is a rhetorical question, of course, you don't have VI>TE>to answer that :) VI>But the last time I checked none of my bowel movements were the size of VI>a man's penis. :) Ahh, well, that depends on the size of the said penis! :) VI>TE>VI>TE>See previous comment in this message, as well as my reply to your VI>TE>VI>TE>message right before this one! VI>TE>VI>And I still think you are wrong. :) VI>TE>PROVE me wrong! Betcha can't :) VI>I still think your thinking is off because the size of a penis is much VI>larger than the size of a shit. Also I think that it makes a VI>difference in terms of friction as to whether something is being pushed VI>OUT of the annus as opposed to shoved INTO the annus. ROTFL! This is turning into a weird conversation :) Vida, I may be wrong, but from what I understand you have had sexual relationships mainly with women, yes? Then I assume that you have not seen all that big a variety of men's penises. I, on the other hand, being mainly heterosexual, have seen (ahem, cough) quite a number of different penises. They come in a VERY wide variety of sizes. And sad to say, but some of them are so small you would laugh (sorry, guys.) Yes, even smaller than a healthy-sized turd. As for friction, the anal tissue is really quite thick and strong. And that goes both for things going in and things going out. If an anus can get used to things exiting, then it can get used to things entering. Hence, tears are likely to happen with anal virgins, but not with those who are "experienced." Also, the importance of lube: as long as the penis is not really huge, then lube makes a big difference. Same reasoning as for taking a shit: A regular shit will not cause a tear even if it is large, but a constipated shit will cause tears because it is much more dry. Date: Tuesday, May 27, 1997 4:48am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 736257 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #736054, Reply to #735896, Reply to #735865, R*) (1 reply) VVI>TE>What if you live with your partner? Then you're with them all the time VI>TE>except when you're at work, and u never know when sex is gonna happen! VI>Even when you live with your partner you work for at least 8 hours a VI>day--and you are away from your partner for at least 10 hours a day. VI>(I am giving a one hour commute in each direction.) It could still VI>work out. :) And bother with the diaphragm every single day?! Ugh, that is asking a little bit too much trouble, there! (besides, what if you wind up having sex with your boss one day? heheheheh nah just kidding :) ) VI>TE>VI>I just put in the diaphram before getting together with Bob and keep i VI>TE>VI>in until he leaves. This way, if we want to have sex, we can. If we VI>TE>VI>don't, we don't. VI>TE>Eh, sounds like a pain in the ass. Besides, I'm paranoid about putting VI>TE>putting foreign objects that far inside, they might be contaminated VI>TE>and cause an infection, etc. I had a bad experience the first time VI>TE>I tried using a tampon when I was 14 years old - I inserted it and VI>TE>a few minutes later I passed out! So I'm paranoid about tampons, VI>TE>diaphragms, anything like that. VI>You don't use tampons?!? You use pads?!? YUCK! Yuck?! Pads aren't that bad! I'm used to them, and I really have no internal loathing or disgust towards blood in general, so I never thought of it as being yucky. Besides, I prefer using pads to chancing that fainting attack again I had from the tampon. That was not good. I had locked myself in the bathroom, too, so if I hadn't woken up (don't even know how long I was out!) someone woulda had to break the door down to get me! VI>But I do understand your fear. VI>Before I started using a diaphram I used a cervical cap for a while. I VI>ended up having to having to endure a colposcopy and then cryotherapy VI>because a pap test showed I had some abnormalities on my utterine wall. VI> And cryotherapy is not fun, believe me! VI>My gynocologist told me the abnormalities were probably caused by the VI>friction against the cervical cap during sex and advised me to switch VI>to a diaphram. (As per my gynocologist a cervical cap lies closer to VI>the uterus than a diaphram and is therefore a greater risk for this VI>kind of damage than a diaphram. I originally choose a cervical cap VI>because it can be kept in place for up to three days, while a diaphram VI>has to be aired out every day.) Ohh, that's awful!! I'm sorry to hear about the problems. See, that's exactly what I mean, though! Stuffing things deep into the vagina is dangerous, it can cause all sorts of infections, even tumors, etc. Nothing foreign that goes into the vagina is sterile! So IMHO it's much worse than the pill! Hey, that's why women get yeast infections all the time, from things like penises whose owners don't wash them often enough! VI>TE>VI>Hormone replacement Therapy. VI>TE>VI>I am getting to the age when I have to seriously think in terms of wha VI>TE>VI>I will do once menopause starts. Especially since I have never been VI>TE>VI>pregnant, menopause could start within the next five years for me. VI>TE>That would be a good idea to think about it! Have you seen a VI>TE>gynecologist about it? VI>Nope. Right now my periods are still regular so I have no need for it. VI> And I am still relatively young, so I could still have another 10 VI>years of menstruation to go. VI>My game plan is that when my periods start becoming irregular that I VI>will get a referral to hynotherapy and biofeedback. I figure I will VI>try to control the symptoms of menopause that way, and if that doesn't VI>work, then go for the HRT. But given my low threshold tolerance for VI>pain, I wouldn't be surprised if I abandon this plan with my first hot VI>flash. :) Heheh! Well, don't worry about it yet, then. Good luck when it happens, though! Date: Tuesday, May 27, 1997 4:54am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 736258 To: Vida Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #736126, Reply to #735897, Reply to #735866, R*) (1 reply) VI>(Previous exchanges omitted) VI>TE>VI>TE>I don't think we can, because Deb really does not seem to be capabl VI>TE>VI>TE>jealousy, do you think she's human? :) VI>TE>VI>I guess she's an angel in disguise. :) VI>TE>Could well be! It is pretty amazing to lack that very ugly human VI>TE>emotion. I wish I could be like that!! VI>I wouldn't want to give up my jealousy. I think, actually, it's a VI>healthy emotion that guards you against being abused. Oh, God! I would do practically anything to get rid of my jealousy. It may be a healthy emotion to SOME EXTENT, but in my case, my jealousy extends to a point that is probably not healthy at all. Sometimes it feels like jealousy rules my mind and makes me miserable for practically non-existent reasons. I have to admit that it is one of my worst, if not THE worst fault I have. I can basically keep it under control, but it takes a LOT of willpower, and doesn't always work! Argh Date: Tuesday, May 27, 1997 4:58am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 736259 To: Vida Re: shaving (Reply to #736127, Reply to #735898, Reply to #735867, R*) (1 reply) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>TE>Then you shave it again while it's still in stubb VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>But why bother? To me the act of shaving your under VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>is a deliberate attempt to infantalize women...to pr VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>not an adult, but are a preadolescent girl. VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>OY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>Is that why men shave too? VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>Men don't shave their underarms and legs, Deb. VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Some do! A lot of them shave their chests, as well! VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>That's a whole different cultural thing! :) VI>TE>VI>TE>How is guys shaving their chests any different from women shaving t VI>TE>VI>TE>legs?? It's all about vanity, either way! VI>TE>VI>Must have the men who shave their chests are muscle builders. They VI>TE>VI>shave their chests so they can show off their muscle development. VI>TE>VI>Thus, they do so to enchance their virility, not diminish it. VI>TE>It's still all about vanity. Same reason why women shave their legs. VI>Not the same thing. As you suggested, hair is considered masculine and VI>virile. So when women shave their legs they are trying to diminish VI>their strength. Hair is considered masculine. You say that when women shave their legs they are trying to diminish their strength. Does that mean that, by your definition, strenth is a masculine trait, and not a feminine one?! This is not something I would expect to hear from a feminist!! Date: Tuesday, May 27, 1997 4:59am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 736260 To: Vida Re: animal sex! (Reply to #736176, Reply to #736163, Reply to #736047, R*) (1 reply) VI>TE>VI>TE>VVI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>And I constantly and firmly deny any accusation VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>any sort! VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>(Except in certain circumstances, of course heheh VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>And in revel in my animal essence, especially when h VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Yes! When having sex! THEN I'm an animal, but every oth VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>perfectly civilized human being :) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>Every other time? :) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>When I'm NOT having sex, I mean :) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>Every other time? :) VI>TE>VI>TE>What do u mean?? VI>TE>VI>I do not know, just suggesting that there may be other animal impulses VI>TE>VI>out there. :) VI>TE>Out where? In me? nope, only during sex! Otherwise I'm very ahem VI>TE>civilized! Heheh VI>Ok, I'll just have to take your world for it! :) That I'm an animal during sex, or that I'm civilized outside of sex? :) Date: Tuesday, May 27, 1997 5:10am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 736261 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #736177, Reply to #736164, Reply to #736048, R*) (1 reply) VI>I'm at Bob's new computer, so I definitely haven't figured out how to VI>cut and paste on this baby. Re; your comment that you believe that VI>being attracted to men, women, children, animals, cumcumbes, donuts is VI>an instinctual taste unique to each person, I have a lot of problems VI>with that comment. I really do believe that humans would natrually have VI>sex with animals, cucumbers, etc. if they could. It is socialisation VI>that restricts and channels those choices. :) But WHY do you think that? Have you asked people in-depth about these feelings, or have you only considered these feelings in yourself? If it is socialization that restricts and channels these choices, then WHY do I have absolutely NO inkling of sexually-oriented thoughts (but quite the opposite) towards cucumbers and animals?! I am neutral toward cucumbers (take it or leave it) but really, if I was forced to have an animal's dick inside any orifice of mine, I would vomit!! If socialization was the cause of this and not gut instinctual attractions/repulsions, then my responses would be different. To continue the same example - I have different feelings toward each thing - I am most attracted to men (certain types), I am sometimes attracted to women (certain women more than certain men!), neutral to vegetables, and repulsed by animals (sex with, not animals themselves of course.) If socialization was the reason, then shouldn't I be attracted to men PERIOD, and not have all these varying degrees of attraction to other things? Why would I be more attracted to some women than some men, rather than just be attracted to all men, and not attracted to all women? I don't know about you, but I don't remember anyone ever telling me to be attracted to men, not to be attracted to animals or inanimate objects or women, etc. To me these are just feelings that I have deep inside. Date: Tuesday, May 27, 1997 5:19am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 736262 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #736181, Reply to #736164, Reply to #736048, R*) (1 reply) VI>(Previous exchanges omitted) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>To justify maintaining categories for the sake of linguistic cla VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>a poor argument. I think the categories we have created are tot VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>artificial and meaningless. So why prolong them? VI>TE>VI>TE>Homosexual = Being sexually attracted to the same sex. VI>TE>VI>TE>Heterosexual = Being sexually attracted to the opposite sex. VI>TE>VI>TE>Bisexual = Being sexually attracted to both sexes. VI>TE>VI>TE>How are these definitions artificial and meaningless? They apply VI>TE>VI>TE>to real character traits, and are necessary to discuss those VI>TE>VI>TE>traits. VI>TE>VI>They are artificial because I believe that by nature ALL humans are VI>TE>VI>born "polymorphiously perverse"--meaning that we would fuck any VI>TE>VI>thing--including animals, people of the same sex, people of the VI>TE>VI>opposite sex, etc. The only reason why we don't act on these impulses VI>TE>VI>is because of social constraints. VI>TE>VI>Within the "straight" community, socialication and widespread VI>TE>VI>homophobia acts to constrain "straight" people from acting on their VI>TE>VI>homoerotic impulses. And unfortunately, within the g/l community, VI>TE>VI>social constraints act to keep g/ls in line and to not act on their VI>TE>VI>heterosexual impulses. VI>TE>?!?!?! Animals!??!?!? Ugh, you are kidding!!! You gotta be! That is VI>TE>nasty!!! And no, I don't say that because of "socialization" of any VI>TE>sort, the thought of doing anything sexual with an ANIMAL is really VI>TE>genuinely nauseating to me!! VI>No, I am not kidding. I am deadly serious. People would seek sexual VI>pleasure VI>from just about every conceiveable source if it were not for VI>socialization. Our natural state is this way! You know, I dislike most people in general, but even I don't have such a horrible opinion of humanity as you do! Most people have SOME standards, i.e. that which they fuck should have a heartbeat and it should be human. Even animals don't fuck things from other species! (I thought I was open-minded about most sexual things, but I guess YOU spotted my limit! Congratulations!) If it's not the natural state even of animals to fuck anything possible, then why would it be the natural state of humans?? VI>TE>With all respect, IMHO you believe that people would naturally fuck VI>TE>either sex because YOU are open to that. I may think that some women are VI>TE>sexy and may even do something sexual with a women, but I am FAR more VI>TE>sexually attracted to men, not because I'm socialized that way, but VI>TE>because that is just my gut attraction. VI>People would naturally fuck doorknobs. Tempest! Read Frued if you VI>don't believe me. :) *I* wouldn't naturally fuck a doorknob! And Freud is full of shit :) VI>TE>IMHO being attracted to men, women, children, animals, cucumbers, VI>TE>donuts, or what have you is an instinctual taste unique to each VI>TE>individual! VI>This is a relatively modern concept. Our entire conception of VI>"heterosexuality", "homosexuality" or "bisexuality" only really VI>developed in the late 19th or early 20th century. These concepts developed as widespread things that we now talk about freely. But by no means were they unknown beforehand! Have you forgotten about the Ancient Greeks? :) VI>TE>VI> VI>TE>VI>TE>VI> VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>I mean, I consider myself overall to be heterosexual, b VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>technically I'm at least a tiny bit bi because I am not VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>messing around with a woman, if she's cute enough :) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>How cute? :) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Why do you ask? :) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>Just curious. :) VI>TE>VI>TE>Uh-huh ;) VI>TE>VI>It's just that inquiring minds want to know. :) VI>TE>Well, it's hard to explain "how cute" in words, u know? :) VI>That I understand completely! :) Ok, I'm glad u understand, cause I can't imagine how to explain :) Date: Tuesday, May 27, 1997 5:30am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 736263 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #736182, Reply to #736165, Reply to #736049, R*) (1 reply) VVI>TE>VI>The reason why I believe that humans will never be able to obtain the VI>TE>VI>full picture is largely religious. I believe there is a 'higher power VI>TE>VI>in the universe that humans can not possibly completely comprehend. VI>TE>VI>also believe that humans are by our very nature limited in our VI>TE>VI>abilities and that the universe is so complex that our understanding VI>TE>VI>can never be complete. VI>TE>That is possible, but as I am not particularly religious, I tend to VI>TE>think that over thousands of years evolution might eventually expand our VI>TE>intellectual capabilities to a point where we might possibly be able to VI>TE>comprehend the complexities of the universe. WE are a part of this VI>TE>universe, and if we can someday understand ourselves (and even now we VI>TE>are working on this very intensely) then that will bring us close to VI>TE>understanding existence in general. VI>Human capacity is much too limited to ever permit this kind of VI>understanding. VI>Even if somehow we learned to use the 90% of our brain that we do not VI>now currently utilize I don't think that we will ever to penetrate the VI>secrets of the universe. But then again, I don't think that it is VI>necessarily bad that we are not able to do so--I don't trust that VI>humans would use this kind of ultimate knowledge wisely. Umm, about the human brain - it is much more complicated than that. We do in fact utilize the entire 100% of it - this whole 10% thing is a myth. However, the brain has a function called plasticity. Plasticity makes the brain capable, basically, of expanding in function indefinately. Especially in early childhood - if one raises a kid the right way (intellectually), any kid could potentially become an Einstein, although genetics has something to do with it as well. Anyway, because of brain plasticity, people potentially have a much higher capacity for mental function. Also, like I said, I am not saying that NOW people have the capacity to understand the universe - however sometime in the distant future they might. Remember, humans were not always like this. I know you're religious, so I suppose you lean toward the Adam&Eve theory rather than the evolution theory - but from the evolutionary perspective - people came from apes which had a much smaller brain capacity than humans do now. Their brains basically grew into what we have now because they were USING their brains. And we are using our brains more than ever, so in the distant future our brains will continue to grow to expand into our increased mental activity, and thereby someday we may have the capacity to understand the universe, and perhaps we will have the intelligence to use the knowledge wisely to go along with that. VI>TE>VI>I think my point of view is a very optimestic point of view--it means VI>TE>VI>that humans will always be learning, always be growing, always be VI>TE>VI>striving. I wouldn't want to live in a world where humans had a FULL VI>TE>VI>understanding of the COMPLETE picture. Life would be very dull. Ther VI>TE>VI>would be no incentive for any future research or inventions if that VI>TE>VI>were so. VI>TE> VI>TE>That's a good point... but perhaps if we have an understanding of the VI>TE>full picture, then life will just be completely different from how we VI>TE>know it now, and perhaps we won't NEED research or inventions or VI>TE>learning to make us happy, maybe we will have discovered a completely VI>TE>different, currently unimaginable way of making us feel fulfilled. VI>I think that humans are animals that have an initate NEED to learn and VI>to grow. I don't think it would be possible for us to feel fulfilled VI>if we didn't have something new to discover. For now. But who knows what will become of us in a few thousand years? Date: Tuesday, May 27, 1997 5:32am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 736264 To: Vida Re: shaving (Reply to #736183, Reply to #736168, Reply to #736051, R*) (1 reply) VVI>TE>VI>But not stubble.....I hate stubble! :( VI>TE>Yeah, stubble does suck. VI>It's one of my least favorite parts of my current lover--waking up to VI>stubble in the AM. :( I don't mind facial stubble actually... it's useful to scratch an itch with :) Date: Tuesday, May 27, 1997 5:35am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 736265 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #736184, Reply to #736169, Reply to #736052, R*) (1 reply) VVI>TE>MY physiology textbook! The one which I had to read almost all 900+ VI>TE>pages of! The one I am threatening you with now! :) And I oughtta also VI>TE>throw in my microbiology textbook too, just for the hell of it :) VI>Please don't throw anything at me! :) ROTFL!!! :) VI> Actually you can just tell me to pick up a copy of "Courtroom Medicine VI>for Lawyers" or other similiar medical books designed specifically for VI>lawyers. Remember I do personal injury law, which requires that you VI>have some understanding of the body parts and systems which were VI>allegedly injuried. Well, I don't know if it's in-depth enough for the purposes of these arguments, but it certainly couldn't hurt! So haven't you read it already, since you do personal injury law? (So if I get injured I could come to you for legal advice? :) ) Date: Tuesday, May 27, 1997 7:05am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 736281 To: Tempest Re: Strap on's (Reply to #736256, Reply to #736053, Reply to #735895, R*) TE>VVI>TE>VI>The chances of tears not occurring from anal sex is slim to TE>VI>TE>VI>nonexistent, IMHO. TE>VI>TE>Why would you think that? Rectal tissue is actually pretty thick and TE>VI>TE>tough. For example, how often do you get tears from large bowel TE>VI>TE>movements? This is a rhetorical question, of course, you don't have TE>VI>TE>to answer that :) TE>VI>But the last time I checked none of my bowel movements were the size of TE>VI>a man's penis. :) TE>Ahh, well, that depends on the size of the said penis! :) ROFTL! :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>See previous comment in this message, as well as my reply to you TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>message right before this one! TE>VI>TE>VI>And I still think you are wrong. :) TE>VI>TE>PROVE me wrong! Betcha can't :) TE>VI>I still think your thinking is off because the size of a penis is much TE>VI>larger than the size of a shit. Also I think that it makes a TE>VI>difference in terms of friction as to whether something is being pushed TE>VI>OUT of the annus as opposed to shoved INTO the annus. TE>ROTFL! This is turning into a weird conversation :) Very wierd. :) TE>Vida, I may be wrong, but from what I understand you have had sexual TE>relationships mainly with women, yes? Then I assume that you have not TE>seen all that big a variety of men's penises. I, on the other hand, TE>being mainly heterosexual, have seen (ahem, cough) quite a number of TE>different penises. They come in a VERY wide variety of sizes. And sad TE>to say, but some of them are so small you would laugh (sorry, guys.) TE>Yes, even smaller than a healthy-sized turd. TE>As for friction, the anal tissue is really quite thick and strong. TE>And that goes both for things going in and things going out. If an TE>anus can get used to things exiting, then it can get used to things TE>entering. Hence, tears are likely to happen with anal virgins, but TE>not with those who are "experienced." Also, the importance of lube: TE>as long as the penis is not really huge, then lube makes a big TE>difference. Same reasoning as for taking a shit: A regular shit TE>will not cause a tear even if it is large, but a constipated shit TE>will cause tears because it is much more dry. Date: Tuesday, May 27, 1997 7:12am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 736282 To: Tempest Re: Strap on's (Reply to #736257, Reply to #736054, Reply to #735896, R*) (1 reply) TE>VVI>TE>What if you live with your partner? Then you're with them all the tim TE>VI>TE>except when you're at work, and u never know when sex is gonna happen! TE>VI>Even when you live with your partner you work for at least 8 hours a TE>VI>day--and you are away from your partner for at least 10 hours a day. TE>VI>(I am giving a one hour commute in each direction.) It could still TE>VI>work out. :) TE>And bother with the diaphragm every single day?! Ugh, that is asking TE>a little bit too much trouble, there! (besides, what if you wind up TE>having sex with your boss one day? heheheheh nah just kidding :) ) All I can say is that the diaphram works for me. But I have a very strong anti-hormone bias. So I will put up with a fair amount of inconvience to avoid taking the pill. TE>VI>TE>VI>I just put in the diaphram before getting together with Bob and kee TE>VI>TE>VI>in until he leaves. This way, if we want to have sex, we can. If TE>VI>TE>VI>don't, we don't. TE>VI>TE>Eh, sounds like a pain in the ass. Besides, I'm paranoid about putting TE>VI>TE>putting foreign objects that far inside, they might be contaminated TE>VI>TE>and cause an infection, etc. I had a bad experience the first time TE>VI>TE>I tried using a tampon when I was 14 years old - I inserted it and TE>VI>TE>a few minutes later I passed out! So I'm paranoid about tampons, TE>VI>TE>diaphragms, anything like that. TE>VI>You don't use tampons?!? You use pads?!? YUCK! TE>Yuck?! Pads aren't that bad! I'm used to them, and I really have no TE>internal loathing or disgust towards blood in general, so I never TE>thought of it as being yucky. Besides, I prefer using pads to chancing TE>that fainting attack again I had from the tampon. That was not good. TE>I had locked myself in the bathroom, too, so if I hadn't woken up TE>(don't even know how long I was out!) someone woulda had to break TE>the door down to get me! Pads still seem pretty gross to me!!! But different strokes for different folks. :) TE>VI>But I do understand your fear. TE>VI>Before I started using a diaphram I used a cervical cap for a while. I TE>VI>ended up having to having to endure a colposcopy and then cryotherapy TE>VI>because a pap test showed I had some abnormalities on my utterine wall. TE>VI> And cryotherapy is not fun, believe me! TE>VI>My gynocologist told me the abnormalities were probably caused by the TE>VI>friction against the cervical cap during sex and advised me to switch TE>VI>to a diaphram. (As per my gynocologist a cervical cap lies closer to TE>VI>the uterus than a diaphram and is therefore a greater risk for this TE>VI>kind of damage than a diaphram. I originally choose a cervical cap TE>VI>because it can be kept in place for up to three days, while a diaphram TE>VI>has to be aired out every day.) TE>Ohh, that's awful!! I'm sorry to hear about the problems. See, that's TE>exactly what I mean, though! Stuffing things deep into the vagina is TE>dangerous, it can cause all sorts of infections, even tumors, etc. TE>Nothing foreign that goes into the vagina is sterile! So IMHO it's TE>much worse than the pill! Hey, that's why women get yeast infections TE>all the time, from things like penises whose owners don't wash them TE>often enough! It was annoying, but luckily my PAP smears have been normal since the cryotherapy. The scary part is the fear of uterine cancer. Especially since it is usually fatal. Could very well be true. I have a recruent bacterial vaginal infection that never seems to go away. TE>VI>TE>VI>Hormone replacement Therapy. TE>VI>TE>VI>I am getting to the age when I have to seriously think in terms of TE>VI>TE>VI>I will do once menopause starts. Especially since I have never bee TE>VI>TE>VI>pregnant, menopause could start within the next five years for me. TE>VI>TE>That would be a good idea to think about it! Have you seen a TE>VI>TE>gynecologist about it? TE>VI>Nope. Right now my periods are still regular so I have no need for it. TE>VI> And I am still relatively young, so I could still have another 10 TE>VI>years of menstruation to go. TE>VI>My game plan is that when my periods start becoming irregular that I TE>VI>will get a referral to hynotherapy and biofeedback. I figure I will TE>VI>try to control the symptoms of menopause that way, and if that doesn't TE>VI>work, then go for the HRT. But given my low threshold tolerance for TE>VI>pain, I wouldn't be surprised if I abandon this plan with my first hot TE>VI>flash. :) TE>Heheh! Well, don't worry about it yet, then. Good luck when it happens, TE>though! Thanks. When it happens, I will deal with it! :) Date: Tuesday, May 27, 1997 7:14am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 736283 To: Tempest Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #736258, Reply to #736126, Reply to #735897, R*) (1 reply) TE>VI>(Previous exchanges omitted) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>I don't think we can, because Deb really does not seem to be cap TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>jealousy, do you think she's human? :) TE>VI>TE>VI>I guess she's an angel in disguise. :) TE>VI>TE>Could well be! It is pretty amazing to lack that very ugly human TE>VI>TE>emotion. I wish I could be like that!! TE>VI>I wouldn't want to give up my jealousy. I think, actually, it's a TE>VI>healthy emotion that guards you against being abused. TE>Oh, God! I would do practically anything to get rid of my jealousy. TE>It may be a healthy emotion to SOME EXTENT, but in my case, my jealousy TE>extends to a point that is probably not healthy at all. Sometimes it TE>feels like jealousy rules my mind and makes me miserable for practically TE>non-existent reasons. I have to admit that it is one of my worst, if TE>not THE worst fault I have. I can basically keep it under control, but TE>it takes a LOT of willpower, and doesn't always work! Argh Thank goodness my jealousy doesn't cause me that kind of problem! My jealousy is definitely HEALTHY and APPROPRIATE jealousy. Date: Tuesday, May 27, 1997 7:16am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 736284 To: Tempest Re: shaving (Reply to #736259, Reply to #736127, Reply to #735898, R*) (1 reply) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>TE>Then you shave it again while it's still in st TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>But why bother? To me the act of shaving your un TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>is a deliberate attempt to infantalize women...to TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>not an adult, but are a preadolescent girl. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>OY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>Is that why men shave too? TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>Men don't shave their underarms and legs, Deb. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Some do! A lot of them shave their chests, as well! TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>That's a whole different cultural thing! :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>How is guys shaving their chests any different from women shavin TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>legs?? It's all about vanity, either way! TE>VI>TE>VI>Must have the men who shave their chests are muscle builders. They TE>VI>TE>VI>shave their chests so they can show off their muscle development. TE>VI>TE>VI>Thus, they do so to enchance their virility, not diminish it. TE>VI>TE>It's still all about vanity. Same reason why women shave their legs. TE>VI>Not the same thing. As you suggested, hair is considered masculine and TE>VI>virile. So when women shave their legs they are trying to diminish TE>VI>their strength. TE>Hair is considered masculine. You say that when women shave their legs TE>they are trying to diminish their strength. Does that mean that, by your TE>definition, strenth is a masculine trait, and not a feminine one?! This TE>is not something I would expect to hear from a feminist!! And why not? Feminism 101 says that our definitions of masculinity and feminity have nothing to do with actual sexual differences. Our definitions of masculinity and feminity are cultural constructs and totally artificial. Date: Tuesday, May 27, 1997 7:16am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 736285 To: Tempest Re: animal sex! (Reply to #736260, Reply to #736176, Reply to #736163, R*) (1 reply) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VVI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>And I constantly and firmly deny any accusati TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>any sort! TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>(Except in certain circumstances, of course he TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>And in revel in my animal essence, especially whe TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Yes! When having sex! THEN I'm an animal, but every TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>perfectly civilized human being :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>Every other time? :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>When I'm NOT having sex, I mean :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>Every other time? :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>What do u mean?? TE>VI>TE>VI>I do not know, just suggesting that there may be other animal impul TE>VI>TE>VI>out there. :) TE>VI>TE>Out where? In me? nope, only during sex! Otherwise I'm very ahem TE>VI>TE>civilized! Heheh TE>VI>Ok, I'll just have to take your world for it! :) TE>That I'm an animal during sex, or that I'm civilized outside of sex? :) The animal during sex part, of course. :) Date: Wednesday, May 28, 1997 1:52am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 736347 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #736282, Reply to #736257, Reply to #736054, R*) (1 reply) VVI>TE>Ohh, that's awful!! I'm sorry to hear about the problems. See, that's VI>TE>exactly what I mean, though! Stuffing things deep into the vagina is VI>TE>dangerous, it can cause all sorts of infections, even tumors, etc. VI>TE>Nothing foreign that goes into the vagina is sterile! So IMHO it's VI>TE>much worse than the pill! Hey, that's why women get yeast infections VI>TE>all the time, from things like penises whose owners don't wash them VI>TE>often enough! VI>It was annoying, but luckily my PAP smears have been normal since the VI>cryotherapy. The scary part is the fear of uterine cancer. Especially VI>since it is usually fatal. Ugh, yeah, the thought of ANY kind of cancer is scary! VI>Could very well be true. I have a recruent bacterial vaginal infection VI>that never seems to go away. Does your GYN give you stuff to treat it? Hmmm.. if you could muster up the courage, maybe try asking your s.o. to wash it before you have sex, even better with anti-bacterial soap. (Although I couldn't muster up the courage to ask something like that myself!) And be careful in public bathrooms, too! Date: Wednesday, May 28, 1997 1:57am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 736348 To: Vida Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #736283, Reply to #736258, Reply to #736126, R*) (1 reply) VI>TE>VI>(Previous exchanges omitted) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>I don't think we can, because Deb really does not seem to be VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>jealousy, do you think she's human? :) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>I guess she's an angel in disguise. :) VI>TE>VI>TE>Could well be! It is pretty amazing to lack that very ugly human VI>TE>VI>TE>emotion. I wish I could be like that!! VI>TE>VI>I wouldn't want to give up my jealousy. I think, actually, it's a VI>TE>VI>healthy emotion that guards you against being abused. VI>TE>Oh, God! I would do practically anything to get rid of my jealousy. VI>TE>It may be a healthy emotion to SOME EXTENT, but in my case, my jealousy VI>TE>extends to a point that is probably not healthy at all. Sometimes it VI>TE>feels like jealousy rules my mind and makes me miserable for practically VI>TE>non-existent reasons. I have to admit that it is one of my worst, if VI>TE>not THE worst fault I have. I can basically keep it under control, but VI>TE>it takes a LOT of willpower, and doesn't always work! Argh VI>Thank goodness my jealousy doesn't cause me that kind of problem! My VI>jealousy is definitely HEALTHY and APPROPRIATE jealousy. That's definately good. I've always tended toward the jealous side, but it didn't get that bad until experiences with my last ex, that's when my jealousy really became problematic. I started feeling intense, awful feelings of jealousy and suspiciousness with this last ex, because with him I had reasons. But the problem is that now, I get these same feelings that I had before, but THIS time I have no real reason for them. They seem to be an emotional residue from my last relationship, and I've been trying to figure out how to fix this, unsuccessfully! :( Date: Wednesday, May 28, 1997 2:04am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 736349 To: Vida Re: shaving (Reply to #736284, Reply to #736259, Reply to #736127, R*) (1 reply) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>TE>Then you shave it again while it's still in VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>But why bother? To me the act of shaving your VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>is a deliberate attempt to infantalize women.. VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>not an adult, but are a preadolescent girl. VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>OY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>Is that why men shave too? VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>Men don't shave their underarms and legs, Deb. VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Some do! A lot of them shave their chests, as well! VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>That's a whole different cultural thing! :) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>How is guys shaving their chests any different from women sha VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>legs?? It's all about vanity, either way! VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>Must have the men who shave their chests are muscle builders. T VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>shave their chests so they can show off their muscle development VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>Thus, they do so to enchance their virility, not diminish it. VI>TE>VI>TE>It's still all about vanity. Same reason why women shave their legs VI>TE>VI>Not the same thing. As you suggested, hair is considered masculine an VI>TE>VI>virile. So when women shave their legs they are trying to diminish VI>TE>VI>their strength. VI>TE>Hair is considered masculine. You say that when women shave their legs VI>TE>they are trying to diminish their strength. Does that mean that, by your VI>TE>definition, strenth is a masculine trait, and not a feminine one?! This VI>TE>is not something I would expect to hear from a feminist!! VI>And why not? Feminism 101 says that our definitions of masculinity and VI>feminity have nothing to do with actual sexual differences. Our VI>definitions of masculinity and feminity are cultural constructs and VI>totally artificial. And since when is body hair a cultural construct?! Biology 101 also defines differences between masculine and feminine, which have nothing to do with cultural constructs. Like body hair. Strength, on the other hand, depends on the individual, and the type of strength you're talking about. (Physical? Upper body? Lower body? Emotional strength?) Strength has nothing to do with body hair. So when a woman shaves her legs, it has nothing to do with diminishing strength, but rather she is making herself more feminine as defined biologically. (Let's face it now, women have less body hair than men!) Date: Wednesday, May 28, 1997 2:05am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 736350 To: Vida Re: animal sex! (Reply to #736285, Reply to #736260, Reply to #736176, R*) (1 reply) VVI>TE>VI>TE>VI>I do not know, just suggesting that there may be other animal im VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>out there. :) VI>TE>VI>TE>Out where? In me? nope, only during sex! Otherwise I'm very ahem VI>TE>VI>TE>civilized! Heheh VI>TE>VI>Ok, I'll just have to take your world for it! :) VI>TE>That I'm an animal during sex, or that I'm civilized outside of sex? :) VI>The animal during sex part, of course. :) Hehehehehh! Well, I guess you'll have to take my word for it, since I can't imagine any way that I could prove it to you O:) Date: Wednesday, May 28, 1997 10:32pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 736426 To: Tempest Re: Strap on's (Reply to #736261, Reply to #736177, Reply to #736164, R*) (1 reply) TE>VI>I'm at Bob's new computer, so I definitely haven't figured out how to TE>VI>cut and paste on this baby. Re; your comment that you believe that TE>VI>being attracted to men, women, children, animals, cumcumbes, donuts is TE>VI>an instinctual taste unique to each person, I have a lot of problems TE>VI>with that comment. I really do believe that humans would natrually have TE>VI>sex with animals, cucumbers, etc. if they could. It is socialisation TE>VI>that restricts and channels those choices. :) TE>But WHY do you think that? Have you asked people in-depth about these TE>feelings, or have you only considered these feelings in yourself? If it TE>is socialization that restricts and channels these choices, then WHY do TE>I have absolutely NO inkling of sexually-oriented thoughts (but quite TE>the opposite) towards cucumbers and animals?! I am neutral toward TE>cucumbers (take it or leave it) but really, if I was forced to have an TE>animal's dick inside any orifice of mine, I would vomit!! If TE>socialization was the cause of this and not gut instinctual TE>attractions/repulsions, then my responses would be different. I know you don't mean to insult me but what makes you think that I would seriously entertain having sex with vegetables or animals for that matter? I am quite socialized, thank you very much. I have only had sex with human beings. And with most of my lovers I had long time, committed, exclusive relationships at the time I had sex! TE>To continue the same example - I have different feelings toward each TE>thing - I am most attracted to men (certain types), I am sometimes TE>attracted to women (certain women more than certain men!), neutral to TE>vegetables, and repulsed by animals (sex with, not animals themselves of TE>course.) If socialization was the reason, then shouldn't I be attracted TE>to men PERIOD, and not have all these varying degrees of attraction to TE>other things? Why would I be more attracted to some women than some men, TE>rather than just be attracted to all men, and not attracted to all TE>women? I don't know about you, but I don't remember anyone ever telling TE>me to be attracted to men, not to be attracted to animals or inanimate TE>objects or women, etc. To me these are just feelings that I have deep TE>inside. Heterosexuality is subtlely or not so subtely portrayed as normal and normative sex by our culture. As for trying to explain why you might be attracted to tall men or men with beards or whatever, that's a mystery to me. I can't figure out my own preferences! :) Date: Wednesday, May 28, 1997 10:36pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 736427 To: Tempest Re: Strap on's (Reply to #736262, Reply to #736181, Reply to #736164, R*) (1 reply) TE>VI>(Previous exchanges omitted) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>To justify maintaining categories for the sake of linguistic TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>a poor argument. I think the categories we have created are TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>artificial and meaningless. So why prolong them? TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Homosexual = Being sexually attracted to the same sex. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Heterosexual = Being sexually attracted to the opposite sex. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Bisexual = Being sexually attracted to both sexes. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>How are these definitions artificial and meaningless? They apply TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>to real character traits, and are necessary to discuss those TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>traits. TE>VI>TE>VI>They are artificial because I believe that by nature ALL humans are TE>VI>TE>VI>born "polymorphiously perverse"--meaning that we would fuck any TE>VI>TE>VI>thing--including animals, people of the same sex, people of the TE>VI>TE>VI>opposite sex, etc. The only reason why we don't act on these impul TE>VI>TE>VI>is because of social constraints. TE>VI>TE>VI>Within the "straight" community, socialication and widespread TE>VI>TE>VI>homophobia acts to constrain "straight" people from acting on their TE>VI>TE>VI>homoerotic impulses. And unfortunately, within the g/l community, TE>VI>TE>VI>social constraints act to keep g/ls in line and to not act on their TE>VI>TE>VI>heterosexual impulses. TE>VI>TE>?!?!?! Animals!??!?!? Ugh, you are kidding!!! You gotta be! That is TE>VI>TE>nasty!!! And no, I don't say that because of "socialization" of any TE>VI>TE>sort, the thought of doing anything sexual with an ANIMAL is really TE>VI>TE>genuinely nauseating to me!! TE>VI>No, I am not kidding. I am deadly serious. People would seek sexual TE>VI>pleasure TE>VI>from just about every conceiveable source if it were not for TE>VI>socialization. Our natural state is this way! TE>You know, I dislike most people in general, but even I don't have such a TE>horrible opinion of humanity as you do! Most people have SOME standards, TE>i.e. that which they fuck should have a heartbeat and it should be TE>human. Even animals don't fuck things from other species! (I thought I TE>was open-minded about most sexual things, but I guess YOU spotted my TE>limit! Congratulations!) If it's not the natural state even of animals TE>to fuck anything possible, then why would it be the natural state of TE>humans?? You misunderstand what I am saying. Most people wouldn't fuck animals. They are too well socialized to do so. Most humans, including myself, would be revolted at the idea! What I am discribing is the "pure pleasure principle" that toddlers exhibit. You can't make past age 3 without being socialized past this stage of development. TE>VI>TE>With all respect, IMHO you believe that people would naturally fuck TE>VI>TE>either sex because YOU are open to that. I may think that some women a TE>VI>TE>sexy and may even do something sexual with a women, but I am FAR more TE>VI>TE>sexually attracted to men, not because I'm socialized that way, but TE>VI>TE>because that is just my gut attraction. TE>VI>People would naturally fuck doorknobs. Tempest! Read Frued if you TE>VI>don't believe me. :) TE>*I* wouldn't naturally fuck a doorknob! And Freud is full of shit :) You wouldn't fuck a doorknob because you are too well socialized. :) TE>VI>TE>IMHO being attracted to men, women, children, animals, cucumbers, TE>VI>TE>donuts, or what have you is an instinctual taste unique to each TE>VI>TE>individual! TE>VI>This is a relatively modern concept. Our entire conception of TE>VI>"heterosexuality", "homosexuality" or "bisexuality" only really TE>VI>developed in the late 19th or early 20th century. TE>These concepts developed as widespread things that we now talk about TE>freely. But by no means were they unknown beforehand! Have you forgotten TE>about the Ancient Greeks? :) TE>VI>TE>VI> TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI> TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>I mean, I consider myself overall to be heterosexual TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>technically I'm at least a tiny bit bi because I am TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>messing around with a woman, if she's cute enough :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>How cute? :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Why do you ask? :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>Just curious. :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Uh-huh ;) TE>VI>TE>VI>It's just that inquiring minds want to know. :) TE>VI>TE>Well, it's hard to explain "how cute" in words, u know? :) TE>VI>That I understand completely! :) TE>Ok, I'm glad u understand, cause I can't imagine how to explain :) Date: Wednesday, May 28, 1997 10:44pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 736428 To: Tempest Re: Strap on's (Reply to #736263, Reply to #736182, Reply to #736165, R*) (1 reply) TE>VVI>TE>VI>The reason why I believe that humans will never be able to obtain TE>VI>TE>VI>full picture is largely religious. I believe there is a 'higher po TE>VI>TE>VI>in the universe that humans can not possibly completely comprehend. TE>VI>TE>VI>also believe that humans are by our very nature limited in our TE>VI>TE>VI>abilities and that the universe is so complex that our understandin TE>VI>TE>VI>can never be complete. TE>VI>TE>That is possible, but as I am not particularly religious, I tend to TE>VI>TE>think that over thousands of years evolution might eventually expand o TE>VI>TE>intellectual capabilities to a point where we might possibly be able t TE>VI>TE>comprehend the complexities of the universe. WE are a part of this TE>VI>TE>universe, and if we can someday understand ourselves (and even now we TE>VI>TE>are working on this very intensely) then that will bring us close to TE>VI>TE>understanding existence in general. TE>VI>Human capacity is much too limited to ever permit this kind of TE>VI>understanding. TE>VI>Even if somehow we learned to use the 90% of our brain that we do not TE>VI>now currently utilize I don't think that we will ever to penetrate the TE>VI>secrets of the universe. But then again, I don't think that it is TE>VI>necessarily bad that we are not able to do so--I don't trust that TE>VI>humans would use this kind of ultimate knowledge wisely. TE>Umm, about the human brain - it is much more complicated than that. We TE>do in fact utilize the entire 100% of it - this whole 10% thing is a TE>myth. However, the brain has a function called plasticity. Plasticity TE>makes the brain capable, basically, of expanding in function TE>indefinately. Especially in early childhood - if one raises a kid the TE>right way (intellectually), any kid could potentially become an TE>Einstein, although genetics has something to do with it as well. TE>Anyway, because of brain plasticity, people potentially have a much TE>higher capacity for mental function. Also, like I said, I am not saying TE>that NOW people have the capacity to understand the universe - however TE>sometime in the distant future they might. Remember, humans were not TE>always like this. I know you're religious, so I suppose you lean toward TE>the Adam&Eve theory rather than the evolution theory - but from the TE>evolutionary perspective - people came from apes which had a much TE>smaller brain capacity than humans do now. Their brains basically grew TE>into what we have now because they were USING their brains. And we are TE>using our brains more than ever, so in the distant future our brains TE>will continue to grow to expand into our increased mental activity, and TE>thereby someday we may have the capacity to understand the universe, and TE>perhaps we will have the intelligence to use the knowledge wisely to go TE>along with that. I am not that religious that I disbelieve Darwin's theory of evolution! Although I think there is probably a way to reconcile Darwin with the account of creation as set forth in Tenakh (the Jewish Bible). For example, who says the 'seven days' of creation are seven days as we now understand it as opposed to seven thousand years? As for your belief that humans might ultimately be able to understand the universe in the entirety I think that you will agree that this will not happen in our lifetime. And it probably won't happen in the lifetime of anyone who is currently alive. So ultimately the two of us will never know who is right or who is wrong on this point--the answer will not be revealed for a long, long time! :) TE>VI>TE>VI>I think my point of view is a very optimestic point of view--it mea TE>VI>TE>VI>that humans will always be learning, always be growing, always be TE>VI>TE>VI>striving. I wouldn't want to live in a world where humans had a FU TE>VI>TE>VI>understanding of the COMPLETE picture. Life would be very dull. T TE>VI>TE>VI>would be no incentive for any future research or inventions if that TE>VI>TE>VI>were so. TE>VI>TE> TE>VI>TE>That's a good point... but perhaps if we have an understanding of the TE>VI>TE>full picture, then life will just be completely different from how we TE>VI>TE>know it now, and perhaps we won't NEED research or inventions or TE>VI>TE>learning to make us happy, maybe we will have discovered a completely TE>VI>TE>different, currently unimaginable way of making us feel fulfilled. TE>VI>I think that humans are animals that have an initate NEED to learn and TE>VI>to grow. I don't think it would be possible for us to feel fulfilled TE>VI>if we didn't have something new to discover. TE>For now. But who knows what will become of us in a few thousand years? Exactly, who knows? Diffently not me! :) Date: Wednesday, May 28, 1997 10:46pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 736429 To: Tempest Re: shaving (Reply to #736264, Reply to #736183, Reply to #736168, R*) (1 reply) TE>VVI>TE>VI>But not stubble.....I hate stubble! :( TE>VI>TE>Yeah, stubble does suck. TE>VI>It's one of my least favorite parts of my current lover--waking up to TE>VI>stubble in the AM. :( TE>I don't mind facial stubble actually... it's useful to scratch an itch TE>with :) It drives me crazy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I really wish there was a way to abolish it. Date: Wednesday, May 28, 1997 10:53pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 736430 To: Tempest Re: Strap on's (Reply to #736265, Reply to #736184, Reply to #736169, R*) (1 reply) TE>VVI>TE>MY physiology textbook! The one which I had to read almost all 900+ TE>VI>TE>pages of! The one I am threatening you with now! :) And I oughtta als TE>VI>TE>throw in my microbiology textbook too, just for the hell of it :) TE>VI>Please don't throw anything at me! :) TE>ROTFL!!! :) TE>VI> Actually you can just tell me to pick up a copy of "Courtroom Medicine TE>VI>for Lawyers" or other similiar medical books designed specifically for TE>VI>lawyers. Remember I do personal injury law, which requires that you TE>VI>have some understanding of the body parts and systems which were TE>VI>allegedly injuried. TE>Well, I don't know if it's in-depth enough for the purposes of these TE>arguments, but it certainly couldn't hurt! So haven't you read it TE>already, since you do personal injury law? (So if I get injured I could TE>come to you for legal advice? :) ) You're right, the legal/medical texts don't go into the same detail that the books that doctors or paramedics would use. They cover just enough medicine for the lawyer to be able to understand the mechanics of the body system involved. Additionally, I don't think I have dealt with a case involving an alleged injury to the uterus. The only case that came close is a case where a woman miscarried a pregnancy following a car accident and alleged that the miscarriage was a result of the accident. Most of the cases I handle involve allegations of injury to the back, neck, head, or knee. Claimed psychological or psychiatric injury is another injury that I see from time to time. Alleged herniated lumbar and cervical discs and alleged bulging discs of the lumbar/cervical areas are the most common injury for me to deal with. Date: Thursday, May 29, 1997 6:56am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 736436 To: Tempest Re: Strap on's (Reply to #736347, Reply to #736282, Reply to #736257, R*) (1 reply) TE>VVI>TE>Ohh, that's awful!! I'm sorry to hear about the problems. See, that's TE>VI>TE>exactly what I mean, though! Stuffing things deep into the vagina is TE>VI>TE>dangerous, it can cause all sorts of infections, even tumors, etc. TE>VI>TE>Nothing foreign that goes into the vagina is sterile! So IMHO it's TE>VI>TE>much worse than the pill! Hey, that's why women get yeast infections TE>VI>TE>all the time, from things like penises whose owners don't wash them TE>VI>TE>often enough! TE>VI>It was annoying, but luckily my PAP smears have been normal since the TE>VI>cryotherapy. The scary part is the fear of uterine cancer. Especially TE>VI>since it is usually fatal. TE>Ugh, yeah, the thought of ANY kind of cancer is scary! YUP!!!! TE>VI>Could very well be true. I have a recruent bacterial vaginal infection TE>VI>that never seems to go away. TE>Does your GYN give you stuff to treat it? Hmmm.. if you could muster up TE>the courage, maybe try asking your s.o. to wash it before you have sex, TE>even better with anti-bacterial soap. (Although I couldn't muster up the TE>courage to ask something like that myself!) And be careful in public TE>bathrooms, too! When the symptoms get out of hand I usually treat myself with a betadine douch which clears up the symptoms. The infection is really a minor annoyance that I have to just have to live with it. I certainly would never ask Bob to wash with an anti-bacterial soap before sex--talk about killing all sponaeity and wrecking a romantic mood! :) Date: Thursday, May 29, 1997 6:57am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 736437 To: Tempest Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #736348, Reply to #736283, Reply to #736258, R*) (1 reply) TE>VI>TE>VI>(Previous exchanges omitted) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>I don't think we can, because Deb really does not seem to TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>jealousy, do you think she's human? :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>I guess she's an angel in disguise. :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Could well be! It is pretty amazing to lack that very ugly human TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>emotion. I wish I could be like that!! TE>VI>TE>VI>I wouldn't want to give up my jealousy. I think, actually, it's a TE>VI>TE>VI>healthy emotion that guards you against being abused. TE>VI>TE>Oh, God! I would do practically anything to get rid of my jealousy. TE>VI>TE>It may be a healthy emotion to SOME EXTENT, but in my case, my jealous TE>VI>TE>extends to a point that is probably not healthy at all. Sometimes it TE>VI>TE>feels like jealousy rules my mind and makes me miserable for practical TE>VI>TE>non-existent reasons. I have to admit that it is one of my worst, if TE>VI>TE>not THE worst fault I have. I can basically keep it under control, but TE>VI>TE>it takes a LOT of willpower, and doesn't always work! Argh TE>VI>Thank goodness my jealousy doesn't cause me that kind of problem! My TE>VI>jealousy is definitely HEALTHY and APPROPRIATE jealousy. TE>That's definately good. I've always tended toward the jealous side, but TE>it didn't get that bad until experiences with my last ex, that's when my TE>jealousy really became problematic. I started feeling intense, awful TE>feelings of jealousy and suspiciousness with this last ex, because with him TE>I had reasons. But the problem is that now, I get these same feelings TE>that I had before, but THIS time I have no real reason for them. They TE>seem to be an emotional residue from my last relationship, and I've been TE>trying to figure out how to fix this, unsuccessfully! :( Hmm. I guess my best suggestion is just communicate your feelings and let your SO reassure you. It's ok to have your feelings, even if they are irrational and have no basis in reality. Date: Thursday, May 29, 1997 7:03am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 736438 To: Tempest Re: shaving (Reply to #736349, Reply to #736284, Reply to #736259, R*) (1 reply) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>TE>Then you shave it again while it's still TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>But why bother? To me the act of shaving y TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>is a deliberate attempt to infantalize wome TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>VI>not an adult, but are a preadolescent girl. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>OY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>LY>Is that why men shave too? TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>Men don't shave their underarms and legs, Deb. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Some do! A lot of them shave their chests, as well! TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>That's a whole different cultural thing! :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>How is guys shaving their chests any different from women TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>legs?? It's all about vanity, either way! TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>Must have the men who shave their chests are muscle builders. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>shave their chests so they can show off their muscle developm TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>Thus, they do so to enchance their virility, not diminish it. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>It's still all about vanity. Same reason why women shave their l TE>VI>TE>VI>Not the same thing. As you suggested, hair is considered masculine TE>VI>TE>VI>virile. So when women shave their legs they are trying to diminish TE>VI>TE>VI>their strength. TE>VI>TE>Hair is considered masculine. You say that when women shave their legs TE>VI>TE>they are trying to diminish their strength. Does that mean that, by yo TE>VI>TE>definition, strenth is a masculine trait, and not a feminine one?! Thi TE>VI>TE>is not something I would expect to hear from a feminist!! TE>VI>And why not? Feminism 101 says that our definitions of masculinity and TE>VI>feminity have nothing to do with actual sexual differences. Our TE>VI>definitions of masculinity and feminity are cultural constructs and TE>VI>totally artificial. TE>And since when is body hair a cultural construct?! Biology 101 also TE>defines differences between masculine and feminine, which have nothing TE>to do with cultural constructs. Like body hair. Strength, on the other TE>hand, depends on the individual, and the type of strength you're talking TE>about. (Physical? Upper body? Lower body? Emotional strength?) Strength TE>has nothing to do with body hair. So when a woman shaves her legs, it TE>has nothing to do with diminishing strength, but rather she is making TE>herself more feminine as defined biologically. TE>(Let's face it now, women have less body hair than men!) Biology creates certain differences between a male body and a female body, but there are wide variations among individual men and individual women. But there is a big difference between these biologically defined differences and masculinity and feminity. Masculinity and feminity are purely cultural constraints which change over time and among cultures. The type of strength that I was talking about was both physical and emotional strength. And of course hair has nothing to do with actual physical and emotional strength. However, it has functioned as a cultural marker for both physical and emotional strength. Think of the story of Samson and Deliah for example. Date: Thursday, May 29, 1997 7:04am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 736439 To: Tempest Re: animal sex! (Reply to #736350, Reply to #736285, Reply to #736260, R*) (1 reply) TE>VVI>TE>VI>TE>VI>I do not know, just suggesting that there may be other anima TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>out there. :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Out where? In me? nope, only during sex! Otherwise I'm very ahem TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>civilized! Heheh TE>VI>TE>VI>Ok, I'll just have to take your world for it! :) TE>VI>TE>That I'm an animal during sex, or that I'm civilized outside of sex? : TE>VI>The animal during sex part, of course. :) TE>Hehehehehh! Well, I guess you'll have to take my word for it, since I TE>can't imagine any way that I could prove it to you O:) Actually I can think of a way you could prove it to me, but we are both taken at the present moment. :) Date: Sunday, June 1, 1997 9:32pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 736597 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #736426, Reply to #736261, Reply to #736177, R*) (1 reply) VI>TE>VI>I'm at Bob's new computer, so I definitely haven't figured out how to VI>TE>VI>cut and paste on this baby. Re; your comment that you believe that VI>TE>VI>being attracted to men, women, children, animals, cumcumbes, donuts is VI>TE>VI>an instinctual taste unique to each person, I have a lot of problems VI>TE>VI>with that comment. I really do believe that humans would natrually ha VI>TE>VI>sex with animals, cucumbers, etc. if they could. It is socialisation VI>TE>VI>that restricts and channels those choices. :) VI>TE>But WHY do you think that? Have you asked people in-depth about these VI>TE>feelings, or have you only considered these feelings in yourself? If it VI>TE>is socialization that restricts and channels these choices, then WHY do VI>TE>I have absolutely NO inkling of sexually-oriented thoughts (but quite VI>TE>the opposite) towards cucumbers and animals?! I am neutral toward VI>TE>cucumbers (take it or leave it) but really, if I was forced to have an VI>TE>animal's dick inside any orifice of mine, I would vomit!! If VI>TE>socialization was the cause of this and not gut instinctual VI>TE>attractions/repulsions, then my responses would be different. VI>I know you don't mean to insult me but what makes you think that I VI>would seriously entertain having sex with vegetables or animals for VI>that matter? I am quite socialized, thank you very much. I have only VI>had sex with human beings. And with most of my lovers I had long time, VI>committed, exclusive relationships at the time I had sex! I never made many mention of YOUR sexual preferenes, Vida! I'm just using myself as an example because I am the person who's deepest sexual feelings I know the best. Which have nothing to do with socialization or lack thereof. VI>TE>To continue the same example - I have different feelings toward each VI>TE>thing - I am most attracted to men (certain types), I am sometimes VI>TE>attracted to women (certain women more than certain men!), neutral to VI>TE>vegetables, and repulsed by animals (sex with, not animals themselves of VI>TE>course.) If socialization was the reason, then shouldn't I be attracted VI>TE>to men PERIOD, and not have all these varying degrees of attraction to VI>TE>other things? Why would I be more attracted to some women than some men, VI>TE>rather than just be attracted to all men, and not attracted to all VI>TE>women? I don't know about you, but I don't remember anyone ever telling VI>TE>me to be attracted to men, not to be attracted to animals or inanimate VI>TE>objects or women, etc. To me these are just feelings that I have deep VI>TE>inside. VI>Heterosexuality is subtlely or not so subtely portrayed as normal and VI>normative sex by our culture. As for trying to explain why you might VI>be attracted to tall men or men with beards or whatever, that's a VI>mystery to me. I can't figure out my own preferences! :) So, it's portrayed as normal, so what? If that had any influence at all on peoples' preferences/attractions, then why are there so many people who like the same sex, vegetables, children, animals, etc.? I never questioned why I might be attracted to tall men or men with beards or whatever, I was just wondering why I am actually attracted to certain women more than I am attracted to certain men, if by "socialization standards" or whatever I'm supposed to be attracted to men only and not women at all? Date: Sunday, June 1, 1997 9:41pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 736599 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #736427, Reply to #736262, Reply to #736181, R*) (1 reply) VVI>TE>VI>TE>?!?!?! Animals!??!?!? Ugh, you are kidding!!! You gotta be! That is VI>TE>VI>TE>nasty!!! And no, I don't say that because of "socialization" of any VI>TE>VI>TE>sort, the thought of doing anything sexual with an ANIMAL is really VI>TE>VI>TE>genuinely nauseating to me!! VI>TE>VI>No, I am not kidding. I am deadly serious. People would seek sexual VI>TE>VI>pleasure VI>TE>VI>from just about every conceiveable source if it were not for VI>TE>VI>socialization. Our natural state is this way! VI>TE>You know, I dislike most people in general, but even I don't have such a VI>TE>horrible opinion of humanity as you do! Most people have SOME standards, VI>TE>i.e. that which they fuck should have a heartbeat and it should be VI>TE>human. Even animals don't fuck things from other species! (I thought I VI>TE>was open-minded about most sexual things, but I guess YOU spotted my VI>TE>limit! Congratulations!) If it's not the natural state even of animals VI>TE>to fuck anything possible, then why would it be the natural state of VI>TE>humans?? VI>You misunderstand what I am saying. Most people wouldn't fuck animals. VI> They are too well socialized to do so. Most humans, including myself, VI>would be revolted at the idea! But what makes you think that socialization is the cause of this revulsion? That's the part I don't understand. VI>What I am discribing is the "pure pleasure principle" that toddlers VI>exhibit. You can't make past age 3 without being socialized past this VI>stage of development. I don't get it... toddlers don't have even have sex with anything or anyone! VI>TE>VI>TE>With all respect, IMHO you believe that people would naturally fuck VI>TE>VI>TE>either sex because YOU are open to that. I may think that some wome VI>TE>VI>TE>sexy and may even do something sexual with a women, but I am FAR mo VI>TE>VI>TE>sexually attracted to men, not because I'm socialized that way, but VI>TE>VI>TE>because that is just my gut attraction. VI>TE>VI>People would naturally fuck doorknobs. Tempest! Read Frued if you VI>TE>VI>don't believe me. :) VI>TE>*I* wouldn't naturally fuck a doorknob! And Freud is full of shit :) VI>You wouldn't fuck a doorknob because you are too well socialized. :) That's not true! I wouldn't fuck a doorknob because I think it would hurt too much! And it wouldn't feel as good as a guy's dick anyway :> Hell, I tried a vibrator before and that was disappointing, so I don't think a doorknob would feel any better :P :) VI>TE>VI>TE>IMHO being attracted to men, women, children, animals, cucumbers, VI>TE>VI>TE>donuts, or what have you is an instinctual taste unique to each VI>TE>VI>TE>individual! VI>TE>VI>This is a relatively modern concept. Our entire conception of VI>TE>VI>"heterosexuality", "homosexuality" or "bisexuality" only really VI>TE>VI>developed in the late 19th or early 20th century. VI>TE>These concepts developed as widespread things that we now talk about VI>TE>freely. But by no means were they unknown beforehand! Have you forgotten VI>TE>about the Ancient Greeks? :) Date: Sunday, June 1, 1997 9:48pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 736600 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #736428, Reply to #736263, Reply to #736182, R*) (1 reply) VI>TE>VVI>TE>VI>The reason why I believe that humans will never be able to obta VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>full picture is largely religious. I believe there is a 'higher VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>in the universe that humans can not possibly completely comprehe VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>also believe that humans are by our very nature limited in our VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>abilities and that the universe is so complex that our understan VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>can never be complete. VI>TE>VI>TE>That is possible, but as I am not particularly religious, I tend to VI>TE>VI>TE>think that over thousands of years evolution might eventually expan VI>TE>VI>TE>intellectual capabilities to a point where we might possibly be abl VI>TE>VI>TE>comprehend the complexities of the universe. WE are a part of this VI>TE>VI>TE>universe, and if we can someday understand ourselves (and even now VI>TE>VI>TE>are working on this very intensely) then that will bring us close t VI>TE>VI>TE>understanding existence in general. VI>TE>VI>Human capacity is much too limited to ever permit this kind of VI>TE>VI>understanding. VI>TE>VI>Even if somehow we learned to use the 90% of our brain that we do not VI>TE>VI>now currently utilize I don't think that we will ever to penetrate the VI>TE>VI>secrets of the universe. But then again, I don't think that it is VI>TE>VI>necessarily bad that we are not able to do so--I don't trust that VI>TE>VI>humans would use this kind of ultimate knowledge wisely. VI>TE>Umm, about the human brain - it is much more complicated than that. We VI>TE>do in fact utilize the entire 100% of it - this whole 10% thing is a VI>TE>myth. However, the brain has a function called plasticity. Plasticity VI>TE>makes the brain capable, basically, of expanding in function VI>TE>indefinately. Especially in early childhood - if one raises a kid the VI>TE>right way (intellectually), any kid could potentially become an VI>TE>Einstein, although genetics has something to do with it as well. VI>TE>Anyway, because of brain plasticity, people potentially have a much VI>TE>higher capacity for mental function. Also, like I said, I am not saying VI>TE>that NOW people have the capacity to understand the universe - however VI>TE>sometime in the distant future they might. Remember, humans were not VI>TE>always like this. I know you're religious, so I suppose you lean toward VI>TE>the Adam&Eve theory rather than the evolution theory - but from the VI>TE>evolutionary perspective - people came from apes which had a much VI>TE>smaller brain capacity than humans do now. Their brains basically grew VI>TE>into what we have now because they were USING their brains. And we are VI>TE>using our brains more than ever, so in the distant future our brains VI>TE>will continue to grow to expand into our increased mental activity, and VI>TE>thereby someday we may have the capacity to understand the universe, and VI>TE>perhaps we will have the intelligence to use the knowledge wisely to go VI>TE>along with that. VI>I am not that religious that I disbelieve Darwin's theory of evolution! VI> Although I think there is probably a way to reconcile Darwin with the VI>account of creation as set forth in Tenakh (the Jewish Bible). For VI>example, who says the 'seven days' of creation are seven days as we now VI>understand it as opposed to seven thousand years? True, I've heard that argument before, and it does make sense. Is the Tenakh anything like the Old Testament? VI>As for your belief that humans might ultimately be able to understand VI>the universe in the entirety I think that you will agree that this will VI>not happen in our lifetime. And it probably won't happen in the VI>lifetime of anyone who is currently alive. So ultimately the two of us VI>will never know who is right or who is wrong on this point--the answer VI>will not be revealed for a long, long time! :) VI> Of course, I don't think that this will happen in our lifetimes! Evolution doesn't happen that quickly! If it does happen, then I think it would take at least a few thousand years!! And even then, only if the human species is still around then (which I think it will be) and only if the human species does not blow itself up into another stone age. All I'm really saying is that it's not impossible! VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>I think my point of view is a very optimestic point of view--it VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>that humans will always be learning, always be growing, always b VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>striving. I wouldn't want to live in a world where humans had a VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>understanding of the COMPLETE picture. Life would be very dull. VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>would be no incentive for any future research or inventions if t VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>were so. VI>TE>VI>TE> VI>TE>VI>TE>That's a good point... but perhaps if we have an understanding of t VI>TE>VI>TE>full picture, then life will just be completely different from how VI>TE>VI>TE>know it now, and perhaps we won't NEED research or inventions or VI>TE>VI>TE>learning to make us happy, maybe we will have discovered a complete VI>TE>VI>TE>different, currently unimaginable way of making us feel fulfilled. VI>TE>VI>I think that humans are animals that have an initate NEED to learn and VI>TE>VI>to grow. I don't think it would be possible for us to feel fulfilled VI>TE>VI>if we didn't have something new to discover. VI>TE>For now. But who knows what will become of us in a few thousand years? VI>Exactly, who knows? Diffently not me! :) I don't know either! I'm just speculating :) Date: Sunday, June 1, 1997 9:49pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 736601 To: Vida Re: shaving (Reply to #736429, Reply to #736264, Reply to #736183, R*) (1 reply) VI>TE>VVI>TE>VI>But not stubble.....I hate stubble! :( VI>TE>VI>TE>Yeah, stubble does suck. VI>TE>VI>It's one of my least favorite parts of my current lover--waking up to VI>TE>VI>stubble in the AM. :( VI>TE>I don't mind facial stubble actually... it's useful to scratch an itch VI>TE>with :) VI>It drives me crazy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I really wish there was a way to VI>abolish it. Electrolysis? :) Date: Sunday, June 1, 1997 10:41pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 736602 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #736430, Reply to #736265, Reply to #736184, R*) (1 reply) VI>TE>VVI>TE>MY physiology textbook! The one which I had to read almost all 900 VI>TE>VI>TE>pages of! The one I am threatening you with now! :) And I oughtta VI>TE>VI>TE>throw in my microbiology textbook too, just for the hell of it :) VI>TE>VI>Please don't throw anything at me! :) VI>TE>ROTFL!!! :) VI>TE>VI> Actually you can just tell me to pick up a copy of "Courtroom Medicin VI>TE>VI>for Lawyers" or other similiar medical books designed specifically for VI>TE>VI>lawyers. Remember I do personal injury law, which requires that you VI>TE>VI>have some understanding of the body parts and systems which were VI>TE>VI>allegedly injuried. VI>TE>Well, I don't know if it's in-depth enough for the purposes of these VI>TE>arguments, but it certainly couldn't hurt! So haven't you read it VI>TE>already, since you do personal injury law? (So if I get injured I could VI>TE>come to you for legal advice? :) ) VI>You're right, the legal/medical texts don't go into the same detail VI>that the books that doctors or paramedics would use. They cover just VI>enough medicine for the lawyer to be able to understand the mechanics VI>of the body system involved. VI>Additionally, I don't think I have dealt with a case involving an VI>alleged injury to the uterus. The only case that came close is a case VI>where a woman miscarried a pregnancy following a car accident and VI>alleged that the miscarriage was a result of the accident. Sounds likely, if the accident was severe enough! In terms of knowing about how the uterus functions in general and this discussion we've been having - to understand my argument, the scientific basis is not even really about the uterus as a whole. It involves knowing about tissue structure in general (histology) on a cellular level, as well as the functioning of microbes on a molecular level. And this is not the type of stuff you would probably ever need to know for your line of work. In fact, I don't even need to know this stuff as an EMT, I just know it because of the ridiculous amount of biomedical type courses I've taken. VI>Most of the cases I handle involve allegations of injury to the back, VI>neck, head, or knee. Claimed psychological or psychiatric injury is VI>another injury that I see from time to time. Alleged herniated lumbar VI>and cervical discs and alleged bulging discs of the lumbar/cervical VI>areas are the most common injury for me to deal with. Sounds like you deal with a lot of motor vehicle accident cases, since back, neck, head, and knee injuries are very common in those types of cases, as well as cervical spine injuries. In which case a useful thing for you to know about would be mechanism of injury. Especially something like whiplash injury, in which there is no VISIBLE injury, but manifests itself later because of a rapid, traumatic back-and-forth shaking of the head and neck during a car accident. Did they teach you about this kind of stuff? Also sounds like you get a lot of cases involving injuries during lifting of heavy objects, which is a common cause for lumbar spine herniation. Date: Sunday, June 1, 1997 10:44pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 736603 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #736436, Reply to #736347, Reply to #736282, R*) (1 reply) VVI>TE>VI>Could very well be true. I have a recruent bacterial vaginal infectio VI>TE>VI>that never seems to go away. VI>TE>Does your GYN give you stuff to treat it? Hmmm.. if you could muster up VI>TE>the courage, maybe try asking your s.o. to wash it before you have sex, VI>TE>even better with anti-bacterial soap. (Although I couldn't muster up the VI>TE>courage to ask something like that myself!) And be careful in public VI>TE>bathrooms, too! VI>When the symptoms get out of hand I usually treat myself with a VI>betadine douch which clears up the symptoms. The infection is really a VI>minor annoyance that I have to just have to live with it. Betadine douche?! Wow, never heard of that! If it works, it works, huh? :) VI>I certainly would never ask Bob to wash with an anti-bacterial soap VI>before sex--talk about killing all sponaeity and wrecking a romantic VI>mood! :) Well, I meant in general, not right before sex silly :) But I don't blame you, I wouldn't be able to ask that kind of thing either! Date: Sunday, June 1, 1997 10:50pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 736604 To: Vida Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #736437, Reply to #736348, Reply to #736283, R*) (1 reply) VI>TE>VI>Thank goodness my jealousy doesn't cause me that kind of problem! My VI>TE>VI>jealousy is definitely HEALTHY and APPROPRIATE jealousy. VI>TE>That's definately good. I've always tended toward the jealous side, but VI>TE>it didn't get that bad until experiences with my last ex, that's when my VI>TE>jealousy really became problematic. I started feeling intense, awful VI>TE>feelings of jealousy and suspiciousness with this last ex, because with h VI>TE>I had reasons. But the problem is that now, I get these same feelings VI>TE>that I had before, but THIS time I have no real reason for them. They VI>TE>seem to be an emotional residue from my last relationship, and I've been VI>TE>trying to figure out how to fix this, unsuccessfully! :( VI>Hmm. I guess my best suggestion is just communicate your feelings and VI>let your SO reassure you. It's ok to have your feelings, even if they VI>are irrational and have no basis in reality. I suppose, but these feelings cause me additional problems that I don't need, you know what I mean? Our relationship is wonderful (Thank God!) and the only problem I have is not with him, but with myself and these irrational feelings! We've discussed it a bit, I have communicated this to him, and he IS very understanding and reassuring, but I suppose that there is probably only so much of this that he can stand, you know? I don't want to cause any problems or cause him any grief because of this. Date: Sunday, June 1, 1997 10:58pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 736605 To: Vida Re: shaving (Reply to #736438, Reply to #736349, Reply to #736284, R*) (1 reply) VVI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>It's still all about vanity. Same reason why women shave thei VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>Not the same thing. As you suggested, hair is considered mascul VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>virile. So when women shave their legs they are trying to dimin VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>their strength. VI>TE>VI>TE>Hair is considered masculine. You say that when women shave their l VI>TE>VI>TE>they are trying to diminish their strength. Does that mean that, by VI>TE>VI>TE>definition, strenth is a masculine trait, and not a feminine one?! VI>TE>VI>TE>is not something I would expect to hear from a feminist!! VI>TE>VI>And why not? Feminism 101 says that our definitions of masculinity an VI>TE>VI>feminity have nothing to do with actual sexual differences. Our VI>TE>VI>definitions of masculinity and feminity are cultural constructs and VI>TE>VI>totally artificial. VI>TE>And since when is body hair a cultural construct?! Biology 101 also VI>TE>defines differences between masculine and feminine, which have nothing VI>TE>to do with cultural constructs. Like body hair. Strength, on the other VI>TE>hand, depends on the individual, and the type of strength you're talking VI>TE>about. (Physical? Upper body? Lower body? Emotional strength?) Strength VI>TE>has nothing to do with body hair. So when a woman shaves her legs, it VI>TE>has nothing to do with diminishing strength, but rather she is making VI>TE>herself more feminine as defined biologically. VI>TE>(Let's face it now, women have less body hair than men!) VI>Biology creates certain differences between a male body and a female VI>body, but there are wide variations among individual men and individual VI>women. But there is a big difference between these biologically VI>defined differences and masculinity and feminity. Masculinity and VI>feminity are purely cultural constraints which change over time and VI>among cultures. Actually, masculinity and femininity are NOT purely cultural constraints. They ARE, to a great extent, defined biologically. It has to do with the amount of androgens a fetus is exposed to at a certain time of development, which dictates more "masculine" or more "feminine" behavior in adulthood. VI>The type of strength that I was talking about was both physical and VI>emotional strength. And of course hair has nothing to do with actual VI>physical and emotional strength. However, it has functioned as a VI>cultural marker for both physical and emotional strength. Think of the VI>story of Samson and Deliah for example. I've never thought of hair as having anything to do with strength. And Samson and Delilah is just a Biblical story, it is not the basis for any kind of widespread cultural belief. Besides, isn't the "traditional" belief that men are stronger? Then why do women traditionally have longer hair? Date: Sunday, June 1, 1997 10:59pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 736606 To: Vida Re: animal sex! (Reply to #736439, Reply to #736350, Reply to #736285, R*) (1 reply) VI>TE>VVI>TE>VI>TE>VI>I do not know, just suggesting that there may be other an VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>out there. :) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Out where? In me? nope, only during sex! Otherwise I'm very a VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>civilized! Heheh VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>Ok, I'll just have to take your world for it! :) VI>TE>VI>TE>That I'm an animal during sex, or that I'm civilized outside of sex VI>TE>VI>The animal during sex part, of course. :) VI>TE>Hehehehehh! Well, I guess you'll have to take my word for it, since I VI>TE>can't imagine any way that I could prove it to you O:) VI>Actually I can think of a way you could prove it to me, but we are both VI>taken at the present moment. :) Darn. :) Date: Monday, June 2, 1997 7:07am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 736647 To: Tempest Re: Strap on's (Reply to #736597, Reply to #736426, Reply to #736261, R*) (1 reply) TE>VI>TE>VI>I'm at Bob's new computer, so I definitely haven't figured out how TE>VI>TE>VI>cut and paste on this baby. Re; your comment that you believe that TE>VI>TE>VI>being attracted to men, women, children, animals, cumcumbes, donuts TE>VI>TE>VI>an instinctual taste unique to each person, I have a lot of problem TE>VI>TE>VI>with that comment. I really do believe that humans would natrually TE>VI>TE>VI>sex with animals, cucumbers, etc. if they could. It is socialisati TE>VI>TE>VI>that restricts and channels those choices. :) TE>VI>TE>But WHY do you think that? Have you asked people in-depth about these TE>VI>TE>feelings, or have you only considered these feelings in yourself? If i TE>VI>TE>is socialization that restricts and channels these choices, then WHY d TE>VI>TE>I have absolutely NO inkling of sexually-oriented thoughts (but quite TE>VI>TE>the opposite) towards cucumbers and animals?! I am neutral toward TE>VI>TE>cucumbers (take it or leave it) but really, if I was forced to have an TE>VI>TE>animal's dick inside any orifice of mine, I would vomit!! If TE>VI>TE>socialization was the cause of this and not gut instinctual TE>VI>TE>attractions/repulsions, then my responses would be different. TE>VI>I know you don't mean to insult me but what makes you think that I TE>VI>would seriously entertain having sex with vegetables or animals for TE>VI>that matter? I am quite socialized, thank you very much. I have only TE>VI>had sex with human beings. And with most of my lovers I had long time, TE>VI>committed, exclusive relationships at the time I had sex! TE>I never made many mention of YOUR sexual preferenes, Vida! I'm just TE>using myself as an example because I am the person who's deepest sexual TE>feelings I know the best. Which have nothing to do with socialization or TE>lack thereof. Sorry about that. I can get hot under the collar sometimes. I still say the manner in which you express yourself sexually as EVERYTHING about your socialization. :) TE>VI>TE>To continue the same example - I have different feelings toward each TE>VI>TE>thing - I am most attracted to men (certain types), I am sometimes TE>VI>TE>attracted to women (certain women more than certain men!), neutral to TE>VI>TE>vegetables, and repulsed by animals (sex with, not animals themselves TE>VI>TE>course.) If socialization was the reason, then shouldn't I be attracte TE>VI>TE>to men PERIOD, and not have all these varying degrees of attraction to TE>VI>TE>other things? Why would I be more attracted to some women than some me TE>VI>TE>rather than just be attracted to all men, and not attracted to all TE>VI>TE>women? I don't know about you, but I don't remember anyone ever tellin TE>VI>TE>me to be attracted to men, not to be attracted to animals or inanimate TE>VI>TE>objects or women, etc. To me these are just feelings that I have deep TE>VI>TE>inside. TE>VI>Heterosexuality is subtlely or not so subtely portrayed as normal and TE>VI>normative sex by our culture. As for trying to explain why you might TE>VI>be attracted to tall men or men with beards or whatever, that's a TE>VI>mystery to me. I can't figure out my own preferences! :) TE>So, it's portrayed as normal, so what? If that had any influence at all TE>on peoples' preferences/attractions, then why are there so many people TE>who like the same sex, vegetables, children, animals, etc.? I never TE>questioned why I might be attracted to tall men or men with beards or TE>whatever, I was just wondering why I am actually attracted to certain TE>women more than I am attracted to certain men, if by "socialization TE>standards" or whatever I'm supposed to be attracted to men only and not TE>women at all? Hetrosexuality is not just portrayed as normal. It's portrayed as inevitable. And some of us managed to escape from "mandatory heterosexuality". I know I have. :) My current hetersexuality is anything BUT mandatory! :) Date: Monday, June 2, 1997 7:12am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 736648 To: Tempest Re: Strap on's (Reply to #736599, Reply to #736427, Reply to #736262, R*) (1 reply) TE>VVI>TE>VI>TE>?!?!?! Animals!??!?!? Ugh, you are kidding!!! You gotta be! Tha TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>nasty!!! And no, I don't say that because of "socialization" of TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>sort, the thought of doing anything sexual with an ANIMAL is rea TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>genuinely nauseating to me!! TE>VI>TE>VI>No, I am not kidding. I am deadly serious. People would seek sexu TE>VI>TE>VI>pleasure TE>VI>TE>VI>from just about every conceiveable source if it were not for TE>VI>TE>VI>socialization. Our natural state is this way! TE>VI>TE>You know, I dislike most people in general, but even I don't have such TE>VI>TE>horrible opinion of humanity as you do! Most people have SOME standard TE>VI>TE>i.e. that which they fuck should have a heartbeat and it should be TE>VI>TE>human. Even animals don't fuck things from other species! (I thought I TE>VI>TE>was open-minded about most sexual things, but I guess YOU spotted my TE>VI>TE>limit! Congratulations!) If it's not the natural state even of animals TE>VI>TE>to fuck anything possible, then why would it be the natural state of TE>VI>TE>humans?? TE>VI>You misunderstand what I am saying. Most people wouldn't fuck animals. TE>VI> They are too well socialized to do so. Most humans, including myself, TE>VI>would be revolted at the idea! TE>But what makes you think that socialization is the cause of this TE>revulsion? That's the part I don't understand. I believe that socialization directs young children away from the "pure pleasure principle" that I discuss below and implants this revulsion in people. If it were not for socialization adults would exhibit the same "pure pleasure" principle as toddlers. TE>VI>What I am discribing is the "pure pleasure principle" that toddlers TE>VI>exhibit. You can't make past age 3 without being socialized past this TE>VI>stage of development. TE>I don't get it... toddlers don't have even have sex with anything or TE>anyone! Toddlers do play with their genitals. :) If you watch a toddler you will see that they will do just about anything to make themselves feel good. I think this is the "pure sensuality" or "pure carnality" that humans would exhibit if it were not socialized out of us as part of growing up. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>With all respect, IMHO you believe that people would naturally f TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>either sex because YOU are open to that. I may think that some w TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>sexy and may even do something sexual with a women, but I am FAR TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>sexually attracted to men, not because I'm socialized that way, TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>because that is just my gut attraction. TE>VI>TE>VI>People would naturally fuck doorknobs. Tempest! Read Frued if you TE>VI>TE>VI>don't believe me. :) TE>VI>TE>*I* wouldn't naturally fuck a doorknob! And Freud is full of shit :) TE>VI>You wouldn't fuck a doorknob because you are too well socialized. :) TE>That's not true! I wouldn't fuck a doorknob because I think it would TE>hurt too much! And it wouldn't feel as good as a guy's dick anyway :> TE>Hell, I tried a vibrator before and that was disappointing, so I don't TE>think a doorknob would feel any better :P :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>IMHO being attracted to men, women, children, animals, cucumbers TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>donuts, or what have you is an instinctual taste unique to each TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>individual! TE>VI>TE>VI>This is a relatively modern concept. Our entire conception of TE>VI>TE>VI>"heterosexuality", "homosexuality" or "bisexuality" only really TE>VI>TE>VI>developed in the late 19th or early 20th century. TE>VI>TE>These concepts developed as widespread things that we now talk about TE>VI>TE>freely. But by no means were they unknown beforehand! Have you forgott TE>VI>TE>about the Ancient Greeks? :) Date: Monday, June 2, 1997 7:21am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 736649 To: Tempest Re: Strap on's (Reply to #736600, Reply to #736428, Reply to #736263, R*) TE>VI>TE>VVI>TE>VI>The reason why I believe that humans will never be able to o TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>full picture is largely religious. I believe there is a 'hig TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>in the universe that humans can not possibly completely compr TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>also believe that humans are by our very nature limited in ou TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>abilities and that the universe is so complex that our unders TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>can never be complete. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>That is possible, but as I am not particularly religious, I tend TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>think that over thousands of years evolution might eventually ex TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>intellectual capabilities to a point where we might possibly be TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>comprehend the complexities of the universe. WE are a part of th TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>universe, and if we can someday understand ourselves (and even n TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>are working on this very intensely) then that will bring us clos TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>understanding existence in general. TE>VI>TE>VI>Human capacity is much too limited to ever permit this kind of TE>VI>TE>VI>understanding. TE>VI>TE>VI>Even if somehow we learned to use the 90% of our brain that we do n TE>VI>TE>VI>now currently utilize I don't think that we will ever to penetrate TE>VI>TE>VI>secrets of the universe. But then again, I don't think that it is TE>VI>TE>VI>necessarily bad that we are not able to do so--I don't trust that TE>VI>TE>VI>humans would use this kind of ultimate knowledge wisely. TE>VI>TE>Umm, about the human brain - it is much more complicated than that. We TE>VI>TE>do in fact utilize the entire 100% of it - this whole 10% thing is a TE>VI>TE>myth. However, the brain has a function called plasticity. Plasticity TE>VI>TE>makes the brain capable, basically, of expanding in function TE>VI>TE>indefinately. Especially in early childhood - if one raises a kid the TE>VI>TE>right way (intellectually), any kid could potentially become an TE>VI>TE>Einstein, although genetics has something to do with it as well. TE>VI>TE>Anyway, because of brain plasticity, people potentially have a much TE>VI>TE>higher capacity for mental function. Also, like I said, I am not sayin TE>VI>TE>that NOW people have the capacity to understand the universe - however TE>VI>TE>sometime in the distant future they might. Remember, humans were not TE>VI>TE>always like this. I know you're religious, so I suppose you lean towar TE>VI>TE>the Adam&Eve theory rather than the evolution theory - but from the TE>VI>TE>evolutionary perspective - people came from apes which had a much TE>VI>TE>smaller brain capacity than humans do now. Their brains basically grew TE>VI>TE>into what we have now because they were USING their brains. And we are TE>VI>TE>using our brains more than ever, so in the distant future our brains TE>VI>TE>will continue to grow to expand into our increased mental activity, an TE>VI>TE>thereby someday we may have the capacity to understand the universe, a TE>VI>TE>perhaps we will have the intelligence to use the knowledge wisely to g TE>VI>TE>along with that. TE>VI>I am not that religious that I disbelieve Darwin's theory of evolution! TE>VI> Although I think there is probably a way to reconcile Darwin with the TE>VI>account of creation as set forth in Tenakh (the Jewish Bible). For TE>VI>example, who says the 'seven days' of creation are seven days as we now TE>VI>understand it as opposed to seven thousand years? TE>True, I've heard that argument before, and it does make sense. Is the TE>Tenakh anything like the Old Testament? The Tenakh IS what Christians call the Old Testament. Jews, however, don't use the terminology "Old Testament" because that terminology assumes there is a newer testament. Jews don't believe there is any newer scripture than Tenakh. TE>VI>As for your belief that humans might ultimately be able to understand TE>VI>the universe in the entirety I think that you will agree that this will TE>VI>not happen in our lifetime. And it probably won't happen in the TE>VI>lifetime of anyone who is currently alive. So ultimately the two of us TE>VI>will never know who is right or who is wrong on this point--the answer TE>VI>will not be revealed for a long, long time! :) TE>VI> TE>Of course, I don't think that this will happen in our lifetimes! TE>Evolution doesn't happen that quickly! If it does happen, then I think TE>it would take at least a few thousand years!! And even then, only if the TE>human species is still around then (which I think it will be) and only TE>if the human species does not blow itself up into another stone age. TE>All I'm really saying is that it's not impossible! You are more optimestic than me. I am really afraid that humanity will blow itself up into another stone age. Did you hear the news accounts about an Isreali book called "The Bible Code"? This Isreali guy claims that he ran a computer program which shows that the Tenakh (in the original Hebrew, that is !) has a code implanted in it. If you run a certain computer program to decode the Tenakh he claims that the Hebrew bible predicts the Holocaust and the JFK assination. Anyway, this same guy claims that the Bible also predicts that Israel will be destroyed by an atomic bomb in 2001 and that the entire world will be destroyed by an atomic bomb in 2006. I don't believe there is such a code in the Bible. But I definitely fear that his predictions may be true. :( TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>I think my point of view is a very optimestic point of view-- TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>that humans will always be learning, always be growing, alway TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>striving. I wouldn't want to live in a world where humans ha TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>understanding of the COMPLETE picture. Life would be very du TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>would be no incentive for any future research or inventions i TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>were so. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE> TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>That's a good point... but perhaps if we have an understanding o TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>full picture, then life will just be completely different from h TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>know it now, and perhaps we won't NEED research or inventions or TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>learning to make us happy, maybe we will have discovered a compl TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>different, currently unimaginable way of making us feel fulfille TE>VI>TE>VI>I think that humans are animals that have an initate NEED to learn TE>VI>TE>VI>to grow. I don't think it would be possible for us to feel fulfill TE>VI>TE>VI>if we didn't have something new to discover. TE>VI>TE>For now. But who knows what will become of us in a few thousand years? TE>VI>Exactly, who knows? Diffently not me! :) TE>I don't know either! I'm just speculating :) Nothing wrong with doing that. :) Date: Monday, June 2, 1997 7:22am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 736650 To: Tempest Re: shaving (Reply to #736601, Reply to #736429, Reply to #736264, R*) (1 reply) TE>VI>TE>VVI>TE>VI>But not stubble.....I hate stubble! :( TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Yeah, stubble does suck. TE>VI>TE>VI>It's one of my least favorite parts of my current lover--waking up TE>VI>TE>VI>stubble in the AM. :( TE>VI>TE>I don't mind facial stubble actually... it's useful to scratch an itch TE>VI>TE>with :) TE>VI>It drives me crazy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I really wish there was a way to TE>VI>abolish it. TE>Electrolysis? :) Yeah, like I could ever convince Bob to have his entire face subjected to electrolysis! :) Date: Monday, June 2, 1997 7:27am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 736651 To: Tempest Re: Strap on's (Reply to #736602, Reply to #736430, Reply to #736265, R*) (1 reply) TE>VI>TE>VVI>TE>MY physiology textbook! The one which I had to read almost all TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>pages of! The one I am threatening you with now! :) And I ought TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>throw in my microbiology textbook too, just for the hell of it : TE>VI>TE>VI>Please don't throw anything at me! :) TE>VI>TE>ROTFL!!! :) TE>VI>TE>VI> Actually you can just tell me to pick up a copy of "Courtroom Medi TE>VI>TE>VI>for Lawyers" or other similiar medical books designed specifically TE>VI>TE>VI>lawyers. Remember I do personal injury law, which requires that you TE>VI>TE>VI>have some understanding of the body parts and systems which were TE>VI>TE>VI>allegedly injuried. TE>VI>TE>Well, I don't know if it's in-depth enough for the purposes of these TE>VI>TE>arguments, but it certainly couldn't hurt! So haven't you read it TE>VI>TE>already, since you do personal injury law? (So if I get injured I coul TE>VI>TE>come to you for legal advice? :) ) TE>VI>You're right, the legal/medical texts don't go into the same detail TE>VI>that the books that doctors or paramedics would use. They cover just TE>VI>enough medicine for the lawyer to be able to understand the mechanics TE>VI>of the body system involved. TE>VI>Additionally, I don't think I have dealt with a case involving an TE>VI>alleged injury to the uterus. The only case that came close is a case TE>VI>where a woman miscarried a pregnancy following a car accident and TE>VI>alleged that the miscarriage was a result of the accident. TE>Sounds likely, if the accident was severe enough! TE>In terms of knowing about how the uterus functions in general and this TE>discussion we've been having - to understand my argument, the scientific TE>basis is not even really about the uterus as a whole. It involves TE>knowing about tissue structure in general (histology) on a cellular TE>level, as well as the functioning of microbes on a molecular level. And TE>this is not the type of stuff you would probably ever need to know for TE>your line of work. In fact, I don't even need to know this stuff as an TE>EMT, I just know it because of the ridiculous amount of biomedical type TE>courses I've taken. YUP! This is definitely over and above the level of medicine that I would ever have to deal with in the courtroom. :) TE>VI>Most of the cases I handle involve allegations of injury to the back, TE>VI>neck, head, or knee. Claimed psychological or psychiatric injury is TE>VI>another injury that I see from time to time. Alleged herniated lumbar TE>VI>and cervical discs and alleged bulging discs of the lumbar/cervical TE>VI>areas are the most common injury for me to deal with. TE>Sounds like you deal with a lot of motor vehicle accident cases, since TE>back, neck, head, and knee injuries are very common in those types of TE>cases, as well as cervical spine injuries. In which case a useful thing TE>for you to know about would be mechanism of injury. Especially something TE>like whiplash injury, in which there is no VISIBLE injury, but manifests TE>itself later because of a rapid, traumatic back-and-forth shaking of the TE>head and neck during a car accident. Did they teach you about this kind TE>of stuff? Exactly! About half of my case load are automobile accident cases. The other half of my case load are mostly premises cases--slips and falls on the sidewalk or inside a building OR construction accidents. I just took a CLE (Continuing Legal Education) course on back and neck injuries--where they taught us EXACTLY as you stated. TE>Also sounds like you get a lot of cases involving injuries during TE>lifting of heavy objects, which is a common cause for lumbar spine TE>herniation. YUP! Those are the construction cases that I refer to above. Date: Monday, June 2, 1997 7:29am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 736652 To: Tempest Re: Strap on's (Reply to #736603, Reply to #736436, Reply to #736347, R*) TE>VVI>TE>VI>Could very well be true. I have a recruent bacterial vaginal infe TE>VI>TE>VI>that never seems to go away. TE>VI>TE>Does your GYN give you stuff to treat it? Hmmm.. if you could muster u TE>VI>TE>the courage, maybe try asking your s.o. to wash it before you have sex TE>VI>TE>even better with anti-bacterial soap. (Although I couldn't muster up t TE>VI>TE>courage to ask something like that myself!) And be careful in public TE>VI>TE>bathrooms, too! TE>VI>When the symptoms get out of hand I usually treat myself with a TE>VI>betadine douch which clears up the symptoms. The infection is really a TE>VI>minor annoyance that I have to just have to live with it. TE>Betadine douche?! Wow, never heard of that! If it works, it works, huh? TE>:) Yup. Actually my gyn recommended that I do this when my symptoms started up. I don't know if this would work for a yeast infection, however. I have a recurring bacterial infection--which is not the same thing as a recurring yeast infection. TE>VI>I certainly would never ask Bob to wash with an anti-bacterial soap TE>VI>before sex--talk about killing all sponaeity and wrecking a romantic TE>VI>mood! :) TE>Well, I meant in general, not right before sex silly :) TE>But I don't blame you, I wouldn't be able to ask that kind of thing TE>either! No way. It wouldn't really be fair. It's my problem to deal with. Date: Monday, June 2, 1997 7:31am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 736653 To: Tempest Re: To have sex with another female (Reply to #736604, Reply to #736437, Reply to #736348, R*) TE>VI>TE>VI>Thank goodness my jealousy doesn't cause me that kind of problem! TE>VI>TE>VI>jealousy is definitely HEALTHY and APPROPRIATE jealousy. TE>VI>TE>That's definately good. I've always tended toward the jealous side, bu TE>VI>TE>it didn't get that bad until experiences with my last ex, that's when TE>VI>TE>jealousy really became problematic. I started feeling intense, awful TE>VI>TE>feelings of jealousy and suspiciousness with this last ex, because wit TE>VI>TE>I had reasons. But the problem is that now, I get these same feelings TE>VI>TE>that I had before, but THIS time I have no real reason for them. They TE>VI>TE>seem to be an emotional residue from my last relationship, and I've be TE>VI>TE>trying to figure out how to fix this, unsuccessfully! :( TE>VI>Hmm. I guess my best suggestion is just communicate your feelings and TE>VI>let your SO reassure you. It's ok to have your feelings, even if they TE>VI>are irrational and have no basis in reality. TE>I suppose, but these feelings cause me additional problems that I don't TE>need, you know what I mean? Our relationship is wonderful (Thank God!) TE>and the only problem I have is not with him, but with myself and these TE>irrational feelings! We've discussed it a bit, I have communicated this TE>to him, and he IS very understanding and reassuring, but I suppose that TE>there is probably only so much of this that he can stand, you know? I TE>don't want to cause any problems or cause him any grief because of this. Then talk about with your girlfriends or other friends! Don't bottle up your feelings because they will only cause you more problems if you do so. Believe me, I speak from personal experience! Date: Tuesday, June 3, 1997 7:56am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 736697 To: Tempest Re: shaving (Reply to #736605, Reply to #736438, Reply to #736349, R*) (1 reply) Previous exchanges omitted) TE>VI>Biology creates certain differences between a male body and a female TE>VI>body, but there are wide variations among individual men and individual TE>VI>women. But there is a big difference between these biologically TE>VI>defined differences and masculinity and feminity. Masculinity and TE>VI>feminity are purely cultural constraints which change over time and TE>VI>among cultures. TE>Actually, masculinity and femininity are NOT purely cultural TE>constraints. They ARE, to a great extent, defined biologically. It has TE>to do with the amount of androgens a fetus is exposed to at a certain TE>time of development, which dictates more "masculine" or more "feminine" TE>behavior in adulthood. I respectfully disagree. I accept the fact that biology has a great deal with how our bodies look. Certainly the secondary sexual characteristics that our bodies display are normally determined SOLELY by biology. (I say normally because people have the ability to modify these secondary sexual characteristics by surgical means and by ingesting hormomes.) However, I think that the BEHAVIOR which people display is not biologically determined. Additionally, I believe that which behaviors are considered masculine and which behaviors are considered feminine IS a cultural construct--it varies from culture to culture, in different historical epochs. TE>VI>The type of strength that I was talking about was both physical and TE>VI>emotional strength. And of course hair has nothing to do with actual TE>VI>physical and emotional strength. However, it has functioned as a TE>VI>cultural marker for both physical and emotional strength. Think of the TE>VI>story of Samson and Deliah for example. TE>I've never thought of hair as having anything to do with strength. And TE>Samson and Delilah is just a Biblical story, it is not the basis for any TE>kind of widespread cultural belief. Au contraire! The Bible reflects widespread cultural beliefs in our western culture. TE>Besides, isn't the "traditional" belief that men are stronger? Then why TE>do women traditionally have longer hair? It depends upon where the hair is. The hairstyles which women wear on their heads is traditionally considered to be sexually aluring to men. Think of how both traditional Orthodox Jews and religiously observant Muslim women cover their hair in an attempt to preserve sexual modesty. Date: Wednesday, June 4, 1997 6:36pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 736780 To: Tempest Re: animal sex! (Reply to #736606, Reply to #736439, Reply to #736350, R*) TE>VI>TE>VVI>TE>VI>TE>VI>I do not know, just suggesting that there may be other TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>out there. :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Out where? In me? nope, only during sex! Otherwise I'm ver TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>civilized! Heheh TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>Ok, I'll just have to take your world for it! :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>That I'm an animal during sex, or that I'm civilized outside of TE>VI>TE>VI>The animal during sex part, of course. :) TE>VI>TE>Hehehehehh! Well, I guess you'll have to take my word for it, since I TE>VI>TE>can't imagine any way that I could prove it to you O:) TE>VI>Actually I can think of a way you could prove it to me, but we are both TE>VI>taken at the present moment. :) TE>Darn. :) I concur! :) Date: Friday, June 6, 1997 8:53pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 736977 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #736647, Reply to #736597, Reply to #736426, R*) (1 reply) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>I'm at Bob's new computer, so I definitely haven't figured out h VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>cut and paste on this baby. Re; your comment that you believe t VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>being attracted to men, women, children, animals, cumcumbes, don VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>an instinctual taste unique to each person, I have a lot of prob VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>with that comment. I really do believe that humans would natrua VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>sex with animals, cucumbers, etc. if they could. It is socialis VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>that restricts and channels those choices. :) VI>TE>VI>TE>But WHY do you think that? Have you asked people in-depth about the VI>TE>VI>TE>feelings, or have you only considered these feelings in yourself? I VI>TE>VI>TE>is socialization that restricts and channels these choices, then WH VI>TE>VI>TE>I have absolutely NO inkling of sexually-oriented thoughts (but qui VI>TE>VI>TE>the opposite) towards cucumbers and animals?! I am neutral toward VI>TE>VI>TE>cucumbers (take it or leave it) but really, if I was forced to have VI>TE>VI>TE>animal's dick inside any orifice of mine, I would vomit!! If VI>TE>VI>TE>socialization was the cause of this and not gut instinctual VI>TE>VI>TE>attractions/repulsions, then my responses would be different. VI>TE>VI>I know you don't mean to insult me but what makes you think that I VI>TE>VI>would seriously entertain having sex with vegetables or animals for VI>TE>VI>that matter? I am quite socialized, thank you very much. I have only VI>TE>VI>had sex with human beings. And with most of my lovers I had long time, VI>TE>VI>committed, exclusive relationships at the time I had sex! VI>TE>I never made many mention of YOUR sexual preferenes, Vida! I'm just VI>TE>using myself as an example because I am the person who's deepest sexual VI>TE>feelings I know the best. Which have nothing to do with socialization or VI>TE>lack thereof. VI>Sorry about that. I can get hot under the collar sometimes. That's ok! Nothing I ever write to you is intended personally, ok? VI>I still say the manner in which you express yourself sexually as VI>EVERYTHING about your socialization. :) I guess that means I was socialized by dominant masters in whips and chains? :) I may be a plain ol' heterosexual but nothing about my sexual expression is plain or typical in any sense >:) VI>TE>VI>TE>To continue the same example - I have different feelings toward eac VI>TE>VI>TE>thing - I am most attracted to men (certain types), I am sometimes VI>TE>VI>TE>attracted to women (certain women more than certain men!), neutral VI>TE>VI>TE>vegetables, and repulsed by animals (sex with, not animals themselv VI>TE>VI>TE>course.) If socialization was the reason, then shouldn't I be attra VI>TE>VI>TE>to men PERIOD, and not have all these varying degrees of attraction VI>TE>VI>TE>other things? Why would I be more attracted to some women than some VI>TE>VI>TE>rather than just be attracted to all men, and not attracted to all VI>TE>VI>TE>women? I don't know about you, but I don't remember anyone ever tel VI>TE>VI>TE>me to be attracted to men, not to be attracted to animals or inanim VI>TE>VI>TE>objects or women, etc. To me these are just feelings that I have de VI>TE>VI>TE>inside. VI>TE>VI>Heterosexuality is subtlely or not so subtely portrayed as normal and VI>TE>VI>normative sex by our culture. As for trying to explain why you might VI>TE>VI>be attracted to tall men or men with beards or whatever, that's a VI>TE>VI>mystery to me. I can't figure out my own preferences! :) VI>TE>So, it's portrayed as normal, so what? If that had any influence at all VI>TE>on peoples' preferences/attractions, then why are there so many people VI>TE>who like the same sex, vegetables, children, animals, etc.? I never VI>TE>questioned why I might be attracted to tall men or men with beards or VI>TE>whatever, I was just wondering why I am actually attracted to certain VI>TE>women more than I am attracted to certain men, if by "socialization VI>TE>standards" or whatever I'm supposed to be attracted to men only and not VI>TE>women at all? VI>Hetrosexuality is not just portrayed as normal. It's portrayed as VI>inevitable. And some of us managed to escape from "mandatory VI>heterosexuality". I know I have. :) Inevitable??? I've never seen it portrayed that way! It's basically portrayed as "the norm." VI>My current hetersexuality is anything BUT mandatory! :) Neither is mine! I'm not heterosexual because I HAVE to be, I'm heterosexual because I like men! (Why? I have no clue! :) ) Date: Saturday, June 7, 1997 6:18am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 736988 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #736648, Reply to #736599, Reply to #736427, R*) (1 reply) VVI>TE>VI>You misunderstand what I am saying. Most people wouldn't fuck animals VI>TE>VI> They are too well socialized to do so. Most humans, including myself VI>TE>VI>would be revolted at the idea! VI>TE>But what makes you think that socialization is the cause of this VI>TE>revulsion? That's the part I don't understand. VI>I believe that socialization directs young children away from the "pure VI>pleasure principle" that I discuss below and implants this revulsion in VI>people. If it were not for socialization adults would exhibit the same VI>"pure pleasure" principle as toddlers. Why would you think that? Adults THINK differently from toddlers, inherently. Toddlers are simply not yet developed mentally sufficiently to engage in the same activities as do adults. VI>TE>VI>What I am discribing is the "pure pleasure principle" that toddlers VI>TE>VI>exhibit. You can't make past age 3 without being socialized past this VI>TE>VI>stage of development. VI>TE>I don't get it... toddlers don't have even have sex with anything or VI>TE>anyone! VI>Toddlers do play with their genitals. :) So do adults, probably more so than toddlers! :) VI>If you watch a toddler you will see that they will do just about VI>anything to make themselves feel good. I think this is the "pure VI>sensuality" or "pure carnality" that humans would exhibit if it were VI>not socialized out of us as part of growing up. I dunno, I've watched toddlers before and I've rarely see them do anything for pleasure that is in any way sexual, sensual, or carnal. They generally just play with their toys to give themselves pleasure, and I can't fathom how that's related to sensuality or carnality in any way. VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>With all respect, IMHO you believe that people would naturall VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>either sex because YOU are open to that. I may think that som VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>sexy and may even do something sexual with a women, but I am VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>sexually attracted to men, not because I'm socialized that wa VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>because that is just my gut attraction. VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>People would naturally fuck doorknobs. Tempest! Read Frued if y VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>don't believe me. :) VI>TE>VI>TE>*I* wouldn't naturally fuck a doorknob! And Freud is full of shit : VI>TE>VI>You wouldn't fuck a doorknob because you are too well socialized. :) VI>TE>That's not true! I wouldn't fuck a doorknob because I think it would VI>TE>hurt too much! And it wouldn't feel as good as a guy's dick anyway :> VI>TE>Hell, I tried a vibrator before and that was disappointing, so I don't VI>TE>think a doorknob would feel any better :P :) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>IMHO being attracted to men, women, children, animals, cucumb VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>donuts, or what have you is an instinctual taste unique to ea VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>individual! VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>This is a relatively modern concept. Our entire conception of VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>"heterosexuality", "homosexuality" or "bisexuality" only really VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>developed in the late 19th or early 20th century. VI>TE>VI>TE>These concepts developed as widespread things that we now talk abou VI>TE>VI>TE>freely. But by no means were they unknown beforehand! Have you forg VI>TE>VI>TE>about the Ancient Greeks? :) Date: Saturday, June 7, 1997 6:21am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 736989 To: Vida Re: shaving (Reply to #736650, Reply to #736601, Reply to #736429, R*) (1 reply) VI>TE>VI>TE>VVI>TE>VI>But not stubble.....I hate stubble! :( VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Yeah, stubble does suck. VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>It's one of my least favorite parts of my current lover--waking VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>stubble in the AM. :( VI>TE>VI>TE>I don't mind facial stubble actually... it's useful to scratch an i VI>TE>VI>TE>with :) VI>TE>VI>It drives me crazy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I really wish there was a way to VI>TE>VI>abolish it. VI>TE>Electrolysis? :) VI>Yeah, like I could ever convince Bob to have his entire face subjected VI>to electrolysis! :) Tell him you'll have a threesome with him and another woman if he does it, that oughtta work :) Date: Saturday, June 7, 1997 6:30am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 736990 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #736651, Reply to #736602, Reply to #736430, R*) (1 reply) VVI>TE>Sounds likely, if the accident was severe enough! VI>TE>In terms of knowing about how the uterus functions in general and this VI>TE>discussion we've been having - to understand my argument, the scientific VI>TE>basis is not even really about the uterus as a whole. It involves VI>TE>knowing about tissue structure in general (histology) on a cellular VI>TE>level, as well as the functioning of microbes on a molecular level. And VI>TE>this is not the type of stuff you would probably ever need to know for VI>TE>your line of work. In fact, I don't even need to know this stuff as an VI>TE>EMT, I just know it because of the ridiculous amount of biomedical type VI>TE>courses I've taken. VI>YUP! This is definitely over and above the level of medicine that I VI>would ever have to deal with in the courtroom. :) That's what I figured! But it's very interesting information to know anyway. I'm glad I learned all this stuff, it really blows my mind how complexly yet logically the human system functions... VI>TE>VI>Most of the cases I handle involve allegations of injury to the back, VI>TE>VI>neck, head, or knee. Claimed psychological or psychiatric injury is VI>TE>VI>another injury that I see from time to time. Alleged herniated lumbar VI>TE>VI>and cervical discs and alleged bulging discs of the lumbar/cervical VI>TE>VI>areas are the most common injury for me to deal with. VI>TE>Sounds like you deal with a lot of motor vehicle accident cases, since VI>TE>back, neck, head, and knee injuries are very common in those types of VI>TE>cases, as well as cervical spine injuries. In which case a useful thing VI>TE>for you to know about would be mechanism of injury. Especially something VI>TE>like whiplash injury, in which there is no VISIBLE injury, but manifests VI>TE>itself later because of a rapid, traumatic back-and-forth shaking of the VI>TE>head and neck during a car accident. Did they teach you about this kind VI>TE>of stuff? VI>Exactly! About half of my case load are automobile accident cases. VI>The other half of my case load are mostly premises cases--slips and VI>falls on the sidewalk or inside a building OR construction accidents. Aha! I guessed right! :) VI>I just took a CLE (Continuing Legal Education) course on back and neck VI>injuries--where they taught us EXACTLY as you stated. That's good!!! This type of stuff is of the utmost importance in dealing with those kinds of injuries. So often, an injury does not look serious at all yet internally it wreaks severe havoc. I can see how that's important for legal personnel to know about as well, so that an injury like that is not written off as something minor. VI>TE>Also sounds like you get a lot of cases involving injuries during VI>TE>lifting of heavy objects, which is a common cause for lumbar spine VI>TE>herniation. VI>YUP! Those are the construction cases that I refer to above. Aha! I guessed right again! :) Date: Saturday, June 7, 1997 6:41am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 736991 To: Vida Re: shaving (Reply to #736697, Reply to #736605, Reply to #736438, R*) (1 reply) VI>Previous exchanges omitted) VI>TE>VI>Biology creates certain differences between a male body and a female VI>TE>VI>body, but there are wide variations among individual men and individua VI>TE>VI>women. But there is a big difference between these biologically VI>TE>VI>defined differences and masculinity and feminity. Masculinity and VI>TE>VI>feminity are purely cultural constraints which change over time and VI>TE>VI>among cultures. VI>TE>Actually, masculinity and femininity are NOT purely cultural VI>TE>constraints. They ARE, to a great extent, defined biologically. It has VI>TE>to do with the amount of androgens a fetus is exposed to at a certain VI>TE>time of development, which dictates more "masculine" or more "feminine" VI>TE>behavior in adulthood. VI>I respectfully disagree. I accept the fact that biology has a great VI>deal with how our bodies look. Certainly the secondary sexual VI>characteristics that our bodies display are normally determined SOLELY VI>by biology. (I say normally because people have the ability to modify VI>these secondary sexual characteristics by surgical means and by VI>ingesting hormomes.) VI>However, I think that the BEHAVIOR which people display is not VI>biologically determined. Additionally, I believe that which behaviors VI>are considered masculine and which behaviors are considered feminine IS VI>a cultural construct--it varies from culture to culture, in different VI>historical epochs. From culture to culture, the idea of masculine vs. feminine behaviors vary in small details, but the basic idea is the same everywhere. For example females are more emotional, males are more aggressive, etc. Besides, you are disagreeing with proven biological facts. Although admittedly it has not been proven in humans; it HAS however been proven in animals, that male vs. female behavior in animals IS directly related to hormonal activity. And yes, animals display differences in behavior between males and females as well; is THAT a cultural construct too? VI>TE>VI>The type of strength that I was talking about was both physical and VI>TE>VI>emotional strength. And of course hair has nothing to do with actual VI>TE>VI>physical and emotional strength. However, it has functioned as a VI>TE>VI>cultural marker for both physical and emotional strength. Think of th VI>TE>VI>story of Samson and Deliah for example. VI>TE>I've never thought of hair as having anything to do with strength. And VI>TE>Samson and Delilah is just a Biblical story, it is not the basis for any VI>TE>kind of widespread cultural belief. VI>Au contraire! The Bible reflects widespread cultural beliefs in our VI>western culture. So are you saying that the idea that body hair is a sign of strength is found in western culture, but not anywhere else?? VI>TE>Besides, isn't the "traditional" belief that men are stronger? Then why VI>TE>do women traditionally have longer hair? VI>It depends upon where the hair is. The hairstyles which women wear on VI>their heads is traditionally considered to be sexually aluring to men. VI>Think of how both traditional Orthodox Jews and religiously observant VI>Muslim women cover their hair in an attempt to preserve sexual modesty. Well then why did Delilah cut Samson's hair off his head, instead of shaving his body? :) Date: Saturday, June 7, 1997 9:58am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 737041 To: Tempest Re: Strap on's (Reply to #736977, Reply to #736647, Reply to #736597, R*) (1 reply) (Previous exchanges omitted) TE>VI>Sorry about that. I can get hot under the collar sometimes. TE>That's ok! Nothing I ever write to you is intended personally, ok? I'll try not to take any thing you write personally. But this is one of my worse character faults that is real, real hard for me to fight against, ok? TE>VI>I still say the manner in which you express yourself sexually as TE>VI>EVERYTHING about your socialization. :) TE>I guess that means I was socialized by dominant masters in whips and TE>chains? :) I may be a plain ol' heterosexual but nothing about my TE>sexual expression is plain or typical in any sense >:) Well if you are into whips and chains than you are definitinately NOT into vanilla sex. :) I still stand by my statement that your sexual preferences reflect your socialization, btw. :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>To continue the same example - I have different feelings toward TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>thing - I am most attracted to men (certain types), I am sometim TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>attracted to women (certain women more than certain men!), neutr TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>vegetables, and repulsed by animals (sex with, not animals thems TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>course.) If socialization was the reason, then shouldn't I be at TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>to men PERIOD, and not have all these varying degrees of attract TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>other things? Why would I be more attracted to some women than s TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>rather than just be attracted to all men, and not attracted to a TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>women? I don't know about you, but I don't remember anyone ever TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>me to be attracted to men, not to be attracted to animals or ina TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>objects or women, etc. To me these are just feelings that I have TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>inside. TE>VI>TE>VI>Heterosexuality is subtlely or not so subtely portrayed as normal a TE>VI>TE>VI>normative sex by our culture. As for trying to explain why you mig TE>VI>TE>VI>be attracted to tall men or men with beards or whatever, that's a TE>VI>TE>VI>mystery to me. I can't figure out my own preferences! :) TE>VI>TE>So, it's portrayed as normal, so what? If that had any influence at al TE>VI>TE>on peoples' preferences/attractions, then why are there so many people TE>VI>TE>who like the same sex, vegetables, children, animals, etc.? I never TE>VI>TE>questioned why I might be attracted to tall men or men with beards or TE>VI>TE>whatever, I was just wondering why I am actually attracted to certain TE>VI>TE>women more than I am attracted to certain men, if by "socialization TE>VI>TE>standards" or whatever I'm supposed to be attracted to men only and no TE>VI>TE>women at all? TE>VI>Hetrosexuality is not just portrayed as normal. It's portrayed as TE>VI>inevitable. And some of us managed to escape from "mandatory TE>VI>heterosexuality". I know I have. :) TE>Inevitable??? I've never seen it portrayed that way! It's basically TE>portrayed as "the norm." More than the norm. Bi and Gay sex is off the radar. But also S & M and B &D is off the radar. TE>VI>My current hetersexuality is anything BUT mandatory! :) TE>Neither is mine! I'm not heterosexual because I HAVE to be, I'm TE>heterosexual because I like men! (Why? I have no clue! :) ) I don't like men, I just like Bob. :) Date: Saturday, June 7, 1997 10:05am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 737042 To: Tempest Re: Strap on's (Reply to #736988, Reply to #736648, Reply to #736599, R*) (1 reply) TE>VVI>TE>VI>You misunderstand what I am saying. Most people wouldn't fuck ani TE>VI>TE>VI> They are too well socialized to do so. Most humans, including mys TE>VI>TE>VI>would be revolted at the idea! TE>VI>TE>But what makes you think that socialization is the cause of this TE>VI>TE>revulsion? That's the part I don't understand. TE>VI>I believe that socialization directs young children away from the "pure TE>VI>pleasure principle" that I discuss below and implants this revulsion in TE>VI>people. If it were not for socialization adults would exhibit the same TE>VI>"pure pleasure" principle as toddlers. TE>Why would you think that? Adults THINK differently from toddlers, TE>inherently. Toddlers are simply not yet developed mentally sufficiently TE>to engage in the same activities as do adults. Because pleasure feels good! Adults would have no reason to avoid sources of potential pleasure if it were not for socialization. TE>VI>TE>VI>What I am discribing is the "pure pleasure principle" that toddlers TE>VI>TE>VI>exhibit. You can't make past age 3 without being socialized past t TE>VI>TE>VI>stage of development. TE>VI>TE>I don't get it... toddlers don't have even have sex with anything or TE>VI>TE>anyone! TE>VI>Toddlers do play with their genitals. :) TE>So do adults, probably more so than toddlers! :) Of course, of course! :) TE>VI>If you watch a toddler you will see that they will do just about TE>VI>anything to make themselves feel good. I think this is the "pure TE>VI>sensuality" or "pure carnality" that humans would exhibit if it were TE>VI>not socialized out of us as part of growing up. TE>I dunno, I've watched toddlers before and I've rarely see them do TE>anything for pleasure that is in any way sexual, sensual, or carnal. TE>They generally just play with their toys to give themselves pleasure, TE>and I can't fathom how that's related to sensuality or carnality in any TE>way. Toddlers don't exhibit sexual behavior because sexuality does not arise until you hit adolsence. But they do try to act in a manner to maximize giving themself bodily pleasure. And what can give you bigger bodily pleasure as an adult than an organism? :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>With all respect, IMHO you believe that people would natur TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>either sex because YOU are open to that. I may think that TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>sexy and may even do something sexual with a women, but I TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>sexually attracted to men, not because I'm socialized that TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>because that is just my gut attraction. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>People would naturally fuck doorknobs. Tempest! Read Frued i TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>don't believe me. :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>*I* wouldn't naturally fuck a doorknob! And Freud is full of shi TE>VI>TE>VI>You wouldn't fuck a doorknob because you are too well socialized. TE>VI>TE>That's not true! I wouldn't fuck a doorknob because I think it would TE>VI>TE>hurt too much! And it wouldn't feel as good as a guy's dick anyway :> TE>VI>TE>Hell, I tried a vibrator before and that was disappointing, so I don't TE>VI>TE>think a doorknob would feel any better :P :) Different strokes for a different folks. I don't much like vaginal penetration from any source. :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>IMHO being attracted to men, women, children, animals, cuc TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>donuts, or what have you is an instinctual taste unique to TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>individual! TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>This is a relatively modern concept. Our entire conception o TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>"heterosexuality", "homosexuality" or "bisexuality" only real TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>developed in the late 19th or early 20th century. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>These concepts developed as widespread things that we now talk a TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>freely. But by no means were they unknown beforehand! Have you f TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>about the Ancient Greeks? :) The sexuality that the ancient Greeks practiced is not analogous to contemporary gay men. There was not the rigid dictomy between homosexuliaty and heterosexuality. There was a lot more fluidity--men who made love to other men were mostly bisexual in practice. Date: Saturday, June 7, 1997 10:05am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 737043 To: Tempest Re: shaving (Reply to #736989, Reply to #736650, Reply to #736601, R*) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VVI>TE>VI>But not stubble.....I hate stubble! :( TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Yeah, stubble does suck. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>It's one of my least favorite parts of my current lover--waki TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>stubble in the AM. :( TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>I don't mind facial stubble actually... it's useful to scratch a TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>with :) TE>VI>TE>VI>It drives me crazy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I really wish there was a way to TE>VI>TE>VI>abolish it. TE>VI>TE>Electrolysis? :) TE>VI>Yeah, like I could ever convince Bob to have his entire face subjected TE>VI>to electrolysis! :) TE>Tell him you'll have a threesome with him and another woman if he does TE>it, that oughtta work :) That just might motivate him! :0 Date: Saturday, June 7, 1997 10:07am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 737044 To: Tempest Re: Strap on's (Reply to #736990, Reply to #736651, Reply to #736602, R*) (2 replies) TE>VVI>TE>Sounds likely, if the accident was severe enough! TE>VI>TE>In terms of knowing about how the uterus functions in general and this TE>VI>TE>discussion we've been having - to understand my argument, the scientif TE>VI>TE>basis is not even really about the uterus as a whole. It involves TE>VI>TE>knowing about tissue structure in general (histology) on a cellular TE>VI>TE>level, as well as the functioning of microbes on a molecular level. An TE>VI>TE>this is not the type of stuff you would probably ever need to know for TE>VI>TE>your line of work. In fact, I don't even need to know this stuff as an TE>VI>TE>EMT, I just know it because of the ridiculous amount of biomedical typ TE>VI>TE>courses I've taken. TE>VI>YUP! This is definitely over and above the level of medicine that I TE>VI>would ever have to deal with in the courtroom. :) TE>That's what I figured! But it's very interesting information to know TE>anyway. I'm glad I learned all this stuff, it really blows my mind how TE>complexly yet logically the human system functions... Complex seems to be the operative word here. :) TE>VI>TE>VI>Most of the cases I handle involve allegations of injury to the bac TE>VI>TE>VI>neck, head, or knee. Claimed psychological or psychiatric injury is TE>VI>TE>VI>another injury that I see from time to time. Alleged herniated lum TE>VI>TE>VI>and cervical discs and alleged bulging discs of the lumbar/cervical TE>VI>TE>VI>areas are the most common injury for me to deal with. TE>VI>TE>Sounds like you deal with a lot of motor vehicle accident cases, since TE>VI>TE>back, neck, head, and knee injuries are very common in those types of TE>VI>TE>cases, as well as cervical spine injuries. In which case a useful thin TE>VI>TE>for you to know about would be mechanism of injury. Especially somethi TE>VI>TE>like whiplash injury, in which there is no VISIBLE injury, but manifes TE>VI>TE>itself later because of a rapid, traumatic back-and-forth shaking of t TE>VI>TE>head and neck during a car accident. Did they teach you about this kin TE>VI>TE>of stuff? TE>VI>Exactly! About half of my case load are automobile accident cases. TE>VI>The other half of my case load are mostly premises cases--slips and TE>VI>falls on the sidewalk or inside a building OR construction accidents. TE>Aha! I guessed right! :) Yes you did! :) TE>VI>I just took a CLE (Continuing Legal Education) course on back and neck TE>VI>injuries--where they taught us EXACTLY as you stated. TE>That's good!!! This type of stuff is of the utmost importance in dealing TE>with those kinds of injuries. So often, an injury does not look serious TE>at all yet internally it wreaks severe havoc. I can see how that's TE>important for legal personnel to know about as well, so that an injury TE>like that is not written off as something minor. Stop talking like that! You sound just like a plaintiff's attorney to me! :( TE>VI>TE>Also sounds like you get a lot of cases involving injuries during TE>VI>TE>lifting of heavy objects, which is a common cause for lumbar spine TE>VI>TE>herniation. TE>VI>YUP! Those are the construction cases that I refer to above. TE>Aha! I guessed right again! :) Yes you did! :) Date: Saturday, June 7, 1997 10:16am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 737045 To: Tempest Re: shaving (Reply to #736991, Reply to #736697, Reply to #736605, R*) TE>VI>Previous exchanges omitted) TE>VI>TE>VI>Biology creates certain differences between a male body and a femal TE>VI>TE>VI>body, but there are wide variations among individual men and indivi TE>VI>TE>VI>women. But there is a big difference between these biologically TE>VI>TE>VI>defined differences and masculinity and feminity. Masculinity and TE>VI>TE>VI>feminity are purely cultural constraints which change over time and TE>VI>TE>VI>among cultures. TE>VI>TE>Actually, masculinity and femininity are NOT purely cultural TE>VI>TE>constraints. They ARE, to a great extent, defined biologically. It has TE>VI>TE>to do with the amount of androgens a fetus is exposed to at a certain TE>VI>TE>time of development, which dictates more "masculine" or more "feminine TE>VI>TE>behavior in adulthood. TE>VI>I respectfully disagree. I accept the fact that biology has a great TE>VI>deal with how our bodies look. Certainly the secondary sexual TE>VI>characteristics that our bodies display are normally determined SOLELY TE>VI>by biology. (I say normally because people have the ability to modify TE>VI>these secondary sexual characteristics by surgical means and by TE>VI>ingesting hormomes.) TE>VI>However, I think that the BEHAVIOR which people display is not TE>VI>biologically determined. Additionally, I believe that which behaviors TE>VI>are considered masculine and which behaviors are considered feminine IS TE>VI>a cultural construct--it varies from culture to culture, in different TE>VI>historical epochs. TE>From culture to culture, the idea of masculine vs. feminine behaviors TE>vary in small details, but the basic idea is the same everywhere. For TE>example females are more emotional, males are more aggressive, etc. TE>Besides, you are disagreeing with proven biological facts. Although TE>admittedly it has not been proven in humans; it HAS however been proven TE>in animals, that male vs. female behavior in animals IS directly related TE>to hormonal activity. And yes, animals display differences in behavior TE>between males and females as well; is THAT a cultural construct too? Animals don't have culture, only people do. And the main difference between humans and animals is our ability to transcend nature--if we didn't have that ability we would still be living in caves, hunting and gathering for our survival. I totally disagree with your statement that the differences between and among cultures is small and insiginficant. I also take exception to your statement that in human beings behavior can in any way be directly correlated to hormonal levels. Human beings function on a much higher cognitive level than animals--our behavior is always dictated by our rational ability to reason, think and plan. TE>VI>TE>VI>The type of strength that I was talking about was both physical and TE>VI>TE>VI>emotional strength. And of course hair has nothing to do with actu TE>VI>TE>VI>physical and emotional strength. However, it has functioned as a TE>VI>TE>VI>cultural marker for both physical and emotional strength. Think of TE>VI>TE>VI>story of Samson and Deliah for example. TE>VI>TE>I've never thought of hair as having anything to do with strength. And TE>VI>TE>Samson and Delilah is just a Biblical story, it is not the basis for a TE>VI>TE>kind of widespread cultural belief. TE>VI>Au contraire! The Bible reflects widespread cultural beliefs in our TE>VI>western culture. TE>So are you saying that the idea that body hair is a sign of strength is TE>found in western culture, but not anywhere else?? The correlation of body hair with strength is present in Western civilization. It may or may not be present in other civilizations. Since Oriental people tend to have less body hair than whites I would expect that Eastern civilization don't have this same correlation. But I honestly haven't studied Eastern civiliztions well enough to see if my suspicion is true. TE>VI>TE>Besides, isn't the "traditional" belief that men are stronger? Then wh TE>VI>TE>do women traditionally have longer hair? TE>VI>It depends upon where the hair is. The hairstyles which women wear on TE>VI>their heads is traditionally considered to be sexually aluring to men. TE>VI>Think of how both traditional Orthodox Jews and religiously observant TE>VI>Muslim women cover their hair in an attempt to preserve sexual modesty. TE>Well then why did Delilah cut Samson's hair off his head, instead of TE>shaving his body? :) Good question. You would have to ask the author of Tenakh. :) Date: Tuesday, June 10, 1997 2:58pm Forum: Xrated From: Steve Flur Msg#: 737214 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #735796, Reply to #735391, Reply to #733848, R*) (1 reply) VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>DO>³VV> I also think that GMHC was formed because of the homopho VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>DO>³VV> health care professionals...and because gay community co VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>DO>³VV> perceived that AIDS was being ignored by society at larg VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>DO>³VV> was predominately killing gay men. VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>DO>ÔÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>DO> Exactly... VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>DO> By the way, they have been trying their darndest to try to VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>DO> "the word out" that they're don't only serve gay me. VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>DO>--- VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>I think that's pretty clear! They do fantastic work for all! VI>SF>VI>SF>Actually.......I had better behave. VI>SF>VI>You behave? Never! :) VI>SF>As you have said, better not to air dirty laundry in public. VI>Me, have any dirty laundry? Never! :) Theirs, not yours! Date: Tuesday, June 10, 1997 3:02pm Forum: Xrated From: Steve Flur Msg#: 737215 To: Tempest Re: Strap on's (Reply to #735811, Reply to #735699, Reply to #735431, R*) TE>SF>TE>SF>TE>SF>VI>SF>Most AIDS service organizations have long had special w TE>SF>TE>SF>TE>SF>VI>SF>programs targeting women. TE>SF>TE>SF>TE>SF>VI>For good reasons! TE>SF>TE>SF>TE>SF>The problem remains that most women still think its something TE>SF>TE>SF>TE>SF>need about because "its a gay disease". TE>SF>TE>SF>TE>I don't think so... it seems to me that people, women too, have TE>SF>TE>SF>TE>that HIV is not only a "gay disease" for some time now, a good 7 TE>SF>TE>SF>TE>years. The problem actually is that most people have the "it can TE>SF>TE>SF>TE>happen to me" mentality... "I don't screw around, I'm monogamous TE>SF>TE>SF>TE>don't use needles, I use condoms, etc. so I won't get it"... TE>SF>TE>SF>TE>They never think of possibilities such as their partner screwing TE>SF>TE>SF>TE>and infecting them, even if they don't screw around themselves.. TE>SF>TE>SF>TE>condom breaking.. stuff like that. Most people are guilty of thi TE>SF>TE>SF>TE>mentality but don't want to admit it... I know I admittedly thin TE>SF>TE>SF>TE>way a lot. TE>SF>TE>SF>At least you are aware of this! TE>SF>TE>True. I think what helps this situation is people (like from GMHC) who TE>SF>TE>seem to be the type of people who would never get AIDS (middle class TE>SF>TE>married women, etc.) going around giving talks about how they never TE>SF>TE>thought they would get AIDS, but they ended up getting it. Personal TE>SF>TE>stories like that tend to leave an impression, especially if the speak TE>SF>TE>is someone who listeners can relate to. TE>SF>It's called Peer Education, a very useful method used by many AIDS TE>SF>service organizations. TE>Ahh! I didn't know it had a name. It certainly seems to be very useful, TE>I just hope that it is really as effective as it seems! Followup indicates it works well with hard to reach populations. Date: Wednesday, June 11, 1997 6:40pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 737268 To: Steve Flur Re: Strap on's (Reply to #737214, Reply to #735796, Reply to #735391, R*) (1 reply) SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>DO>³VV> I also think that GMHC was formed because of the homo SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>DO>³VV> health care professionals...and because gay community SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>DO>³VV> perceived that AIDS was being ignored by society at l SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>DO>³VV> was predominately killing gay men. SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>DO>ÔÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>DO> Exactly... SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>DO> By the way, they have been trying their darndest to try SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>DO> "the word out" that they're don't only serve gay me. SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>DO>--- SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>I think that's pretty clear! They do fantastic work for all! SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>Actually.......I had better behave. SF>VI>SF>VI>You behave? Never! :) SF>VI>SF>As you have said, better not to air dirty laundry in public. SF>VI>Me, have any dirty laundry? Never! :) SF>Theirs, not yours! Now that's a horse of another color!!! :) Date: Monday, June 16, 1997 9:21pm Forum: Xrated From: Wanderer Msg#: 737515 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #737044, Reply to #736990, Reply to #736651, R*) hi,folks!!!!!!is the human anatomy/biology forum or is this the x-rated forum?i think a woman with a shaved pussy is absolutely sensual.and if she has firm breasts and large nipples,it is even more breath taking to behold!!!!!! Date: Tuesday, June 17, 1997 1:58am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 737523 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #737041, Reply to #736977, Reply to #736647, R*) (1 reply) VI>TE>VI>Sorry about that. I can get hot under the collar sometimes. VI>TE>That's ok! Nothing I ever write to you is intended personally, ok? VI>I'll try not to take any thing you write personally. But this is one VI>of my worse character faults that is real, real hard for me to fight VI>against, ok? Ok, I will try to keep it in mind. Just TRY not to take things so personally, though, you only make life more difficult for yourself if you do that! (although I should follow my own advice :) ) VI>TE>VI>I still say the manner in which you express yourself sexually as VI>TE>VI>EVERYTHING about your socialization. :) VI>TE>I guess that means I was socialized by dominant masters in whips and VI>TE>chains? :) I may be a plain ol' heterosexual but nothing about my VI>TE>sexual expression is plain or typical in any sense >:) VI>Well if you are into whips and chains than you are definitinately NOT VI>into vanilla sex. :) See? Told ya :) VI>I still stand by my statement that your sexual preferences reflect your VI>socialization, btw. :) So what is it about my socialization that could have possibly made me get into whips, chains, S&M, domination/submission, etc.? VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>To continue the same example - I have different feelings towa VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>thing - I am most attracted to men (certain types), I am some VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>attracted to women (certain women more than certain men!), ne VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>vegetables, and repulsed by animals (sex with, not animals th VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>course.) If socialization was the reason, then shouldn't I be VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>to men PERIOD, and not have all these varying degrees of attr VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>other things? Why would I be more attracted to some women tha VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>rather than just be attracted to all men, and not attracted t VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>women? I don't know about you, but I don't remember anyone ev VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>me to be attracted to men, not to be attracted to animals or VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>objects or women, etc. To me these are just feelings that I h VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>inside. VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>Heterosexuality is subtlely or not so subtely portrayed as norma VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>normative sex by our culture. As for trying to explain why you VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>be attracted to tall men or men with beards or whatever, that's VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>mystery to me. I can't figure out my own preferences! :) VI>TE>VI>TE>So, it's portrayed as normal, so what? If that had any influence at VI>TE>VI>TE>on peoples' preferences/attractions, then why are there so many peo VI>TE>VI>TE>who like the same sex, vegetables, children, animals, etc.? I never VI>TE>VI>TE>questioned why I might be attracted to tall men or men with beards VI>TE>VI>TE>whatever, I was just wondering why I am actually attracted to certa VI>TE>VI>TE>women more than I am attracted to certain men, if by "socialization VI>TE>VI>TE>standards" or whatever I'm supposed to be attracted to men only and VI>TE>VI>TE>women at all? VI>TE>VI>Hetrosexuality is not just portrayed as normal. It's portrayed as VI>TE>VI>inevitable. And some of us managed to escape from "mandatory VI>TE>VI>heterosexuality". I know I have. :) VI>TE>Inevitable??? I've never seen it portrayed that way! It's basically VI>TE>portrayed as "the norm." VI>More than the norm. Bi and Gay sex is off the radar. But also S & M VI>and B &D is off the radar. I doubt that, S&M and B&D is actually getting rather mainstream nowadays (unfortunately!) VI>TE>VI>My current hetersexuality is anything BUT mandatory! :) VI>TE>Neither is mine! I'm not heterosexual because I HAVE to be, I'm VI>TE>heterosexual because I like men! (Why? I have no clue! :) ) VI>I don't like men, I just like Bob. :) Hmm, is there something about Bob in particular that we don't know? :) Date: Tuesday, June 17, 1997 2:10am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 737524 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #737042, Reply to #736988, Reply to #736648, R*) (1 reply) VI>TE>VVI>TE>VI>You misunderstand what I am saying. Most people wouldn't fuck VI>TE>VI>TE>VI> They are too well socialized to do so. Most humans, including VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>would be revolted at the idea! VI>TE>VI>TE>But what makes you think that socialization is the cause of this VI>TE>VI>TE>revulsion? That's the part I don't understand. VI>TE>VI>I believe that socialization directs young children away from the "pur VI>TE>VI>pleasure principle" that I discuss below and implants this revulsion i VI>TE>VI>people. If it were not for socialization adults would exhibit the sam VI>TE>VI>"pure pleasure" principle as toddlers. VI>TE>Why would you think that? Adults THINK differently from toddlers, VI>TE>inherently. Toddlers are simply not yet developed mentally sufficiently VI>TE>to engage in the same activities as do adults. VI>Because pleasure feels good! Adults would have no reason to avoid VI>sources of potential pleasure if it were not for socialization. That's not true! If adults simply engaged in pleasure all the time, they would simply starve to death! Adults don't avoid pleasure because of socialization, they avoid pleasure because they need to do work to keep themselves alive as well! VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>What I am discribing is the "pure pleasure principle" that toddl VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>exhibit. You can't make past age 3 without being socialized pas VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>stage of development. VI>TE>VI>TE>I don't get it... toddlers don't have even have sex with anything o VI>TE>VI>TE>anyone! VI>TE>VI>Toddlers do play with their genitals. :) VI>TE>So do adults, probably more so than toddlers! :) VI>Of course, of course! :) VI>TE>VI>If you watch a toddler you will see that they will do just about VI>TE>VI>anything to make themselves feel good. I think this is the "pure VI>TE>VI>sensuality" or "pure carnality" that humans would exhibit if it were VI>TE>VI>not socialized out of us as part of growing up. VI>TE>I dunno, I've watched toddlers before and I've rarely see them do VI>TE>anything for pleasure that is in any way sexual, sensual, or carnal. VI>TE>They generally just play with their toys to give themselves pleasure, VI>TE>and I can't fathom how that's related to sensuality or carnality in any VI>TE>way. VI>Toddlers don't exhibit sexual behavior because sexuality does not arise VI>until you hit adolsence. But they do try to act in a manner to VI>maximize giving themself bodily pleasure. And what can give you bigger VI>bodily pleasure as an adult than an organism? :) I dunno, still I don't notice toddlers to be giving themselves constant bodily pleasure, or any bodily pleasure at all come to think of it. And yes, an orgasm is quite a source of bodily pleasure for adults :) but by your reasoning, then, why don't adults have sex constantly? Most adults who are not in their sexual prime (around 18 for guys, around 35 for women) do not even desire sex more than once a week or so. VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>With all respect, IMHO you believe that people would na VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>either sex because YOU are open to that. I may think th VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>sexy and may even do something sexual with a women, but VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>sexually attracted to men, not because I'm socialized t VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>because that is just my gut attraction. VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>People would naturally fuck doorknobs. Tempest! Read Frue VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>don't believe me. :) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>*I* wouldn't naturally fuck a doorknob! And Freud is full of VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>You wouldn't fuck a doorknob because you are too well socialized VI>TE>VI>TE>That's not true! I wouldn't fuck a doorknob because I think it woul VI>TE>VI>TE>hurt too much! And it wouldn't feel as good as a guy's dick anyway VI>TE>VI>TE>Hell, I tried a vibrator before and that was disappointing, so I do VI>TE>VI>TE>think a doorknob would feel any better :P :) VI>Different strokes for a different folks. I don't much like vaginal VI>penetration from any source. :) Yup, different strokes! But then, if you don't like vaginal penetration but I do - what is the reason for this, socialization as well?! VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>IMHO being attracted to men, women, children, animals, VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>donuts, or what have you is an instinctual taste unique VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>individual! VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>This is a relatively modern concept. Our entire conceptio VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>"heterosexuality", "homosexuality" or "bisexuality" only r VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>developed in the late 19th or early 20th century. VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>These concepts developed as widespread things that we now tal VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>freely. But by no means were they unknown beforehand! Have yo VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>about the Ancient Greeks? :) VI>The sexuality that the ancient Greeks practiced is not analogous to VI>contemporary gay men. There was not the rigid dictomy between VI>homosexuliaty and heterosexuality. There was a lot more fluidity--men VI>who made love to other men were mostly bisexual in practice. Well, we don't really know that. Maybe they were homosexual but they only got married and had sex with their wives because society expected them to do so. Besides, there is not such a rigid dicotomy between homosexuality and heterosexuality in modern times, there are a LOT of bisexuals out there, especially among women. The ol' "I Love Anything That Moves" is getting pretty popular... Date: Tuesday, June 17, 1997 2:14am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 737525 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #737044, Reply to #736990, Reply to #736651, R*) VI>TE>VVI>TE>Sounds likely, if the accident was severe enough! VI>TE>VI>TE>In terms of knowing about how the uterus functions in general and t VI>TE>VI>TE>discussion we've been having - to understand my argument, the scien VI>TE>VI>TE>basis is not even really about the uterus as a whole. It involves VI>TE>VI>TE>knowing about tissue structure in general (histology) on a cellular VI>TE>VI>TE>level, as well as the functioning of microbes on a molecular level. VI>TE>VI>TE>this is not the type of stuff you would probably ever need to know VI>TE>VI>TE>your line of work. In fact, I don't even need to know this stuff as VI>TE>VI>TE>EMT, I just know it because of the ridiculous amount of biomedical VI>TE>VI>TE>courses I've taken. VI>TE>VI>YUP! This is definitely over and above the level of medicine that I VI>TE>VI>would ever have to deal with in the courtroom. :) VI>TE>That's what I figured! But it's very interesting information to know VI>TE>anyway. I'm glad I learned all this stuff, it really blows my mind how VI>TE>complexly yet logically the human system functions... VI>Complex seems to be the operative word here. :) Yes, it definately is! VI>TE>That's good!!! This type of stuff is of the utmost importance in dealing VI>TE>with those kinds of injuries. So often, an injury does not look serious VI>TE>at all yet internally it wreaks severe havoc. I can see how that's VI>TE>important for legal personnel to know about as well, so that an injury VI>TE>like that is not written off as something minor. VI>Stop talking like that! You sound just like a plaintiff's attorney to VI>me! :( ?! Wow! I've been told by many people that I would make a great lawyer, I guess they were right! Date: Tuesday, June 17, 1997 2:14pm Forum: Xrated From: Steve Flur Msg#: 737593 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #737268, Reply to #737214, Reply to #735796, R*) (1 reply) VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>DO>³VV> I also think that GMHC was formed because of the h VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>DO>³VV> health care professionals...and because gay commun VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>DO>³VV> perceived that AIDS was being ignored by society a VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>DO>³VV> was predominately killing gay men. VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>DO>ÔÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>DO> Exactly... VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>DO> By the way, they have been trying their darndest to t VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>DO> "the word out" that they're don't only serve gay me. VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>DO>--- VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>I think that's pretty clear! They do fantastic work for a VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>Actually.......I had better behave. VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>You behave? Never! :) VI>SF>VI>SF>As you have said, better not to air dirty laundry in public. VI>SF>VI>Me, have any dirty laundry? Never! :) VI>SF>Theirs, not yours! VI>Now that's a horse of another color!!! :) And it's not a pretty one either! Date: Wednesday, June 18, 1997 7:38am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 737646 To: Tempest Re: Dr Pax likes to eat pussy (Reply to #737523, Reply to #737041, Reply to #736977, R*) (1 reply) TE>VI>TE>VI>Sorry about that. I can get hot under the collar sometimes. TE>VI>TE>That's ok! Nothing I ever write to you is intended personally, ok? TE>VI>I'll try not to take any thing you write personally. But this is one TE>VI>of my worse character faults that is real, real hard for me to fight TE>VI>against, ok? TE>Ok, I will try to keep it in mind. Just TRY not to take things so TE>personally, though, you only make life more difficult for yourself if TE>you do that! (although I should follow my own advice :) ) Now you sound like my shrink. This is something she is always drilling into my head. :) TE>VI>TE>VI>I still say the manner in which you express yourself sexually as TE>VI>TE>VI>EVERYTHING about your socialization. :) TE>VI>TE>I guess that means I was socialized by dominant masters in whips and TE>VI>TE>chains? :) I may be a plain ol' heterosexual but nothing about my TE>VI>TE>sexual expression is plain or typical in any sense >:) TE>VI>Well if you are into whips and chains than you are definitinately NOT TE>VI>into vanilla sex. :) TE>See? Told ya :) You didn't have to do too much to convince me of this fact. :) TE>VI>I still stand by my statement that your sexual preferences reflect your TE>VI>socialization, btw. :) TE>So what is it about my socialization that could have possibly made me TE>get into whips, chains, S&M, domination/submission, etc.? How should I know? I don't know anything about your childhood, your family life or your personal history. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>To continue the same example - I have different feelings t TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>thing - I am most attracted to men (certain types), I am s TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>attracted to women (certain women more than certain men!), TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>vegetables, and repulsed by animals (sex with, not animals TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>course.) If socialization was the reason, then shouldn't I TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>to men PERIOD, and not have all these varying degrees of a TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>other things? Why would I be more attracted to some women TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>rather than just be attracted to all men, and not attracte TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>women? I don't know about you, but I don't remember anyone TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>me to be attracted to men, not to be attracted to animals TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>objects or women, etc. To me these are just feelings that TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>inside. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>Heterosexuality is subtlely or not so subtely portrayed as no TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>normative sex by our culture. As for trying to explain why y TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>be attracted to tall men or men with beards or whatever, that TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>mystery to me. I can't figure out my own preferences! :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>So, it's portrayed as normal, so what? If that had any influence TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>on peoples' preferences/attractions, then why are there so many TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>who like the same sex, vegetables, children, animals, etc.? I ne TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>questioned why I might be attracted to tall men or men with bear TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>whatever, I was just wondering why I am actually attracted to ce TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>women more than I am attracted to certain men, if by "socializat TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>standards" or whatever I'm supposed to be attracted to men only TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>women at all? TE>VI>TE>VI>Hetrosexuality is not just portrayed as normal. It's portrayed as TE>VI>TE>VI>inevitable. And some of us managed to escape from "mandatory TE>VI>TE>VI>heterosexuality". I know I have. :) TE>VI>TE>Inevitable??? I've never seen it portrayed that way! It's basically TE>VI>TE>portrayed as "the norm." TE>VI>More than the norm. Bi and Gay sex is off the radar. But also S & M TE>VI>and B &D is off the radar. TE>I doubt that, S&M and B&D is actually getting rather mainstream nowadays TE>(unfortunately!) Why do you say it is unfortunate that B& D is getting mainstream? I thought you said you were into whips and chains? I don't agree with you that S & M and B & D is mainstream, BTW. I think this is still 'fringe' sexuality. TE>VI>TE>VI>My current hetersexuality is anything BUT mandatory! :) TE>VI>TE>Neither is mine! I'm not heterosexual because I HAVE to be, I'm TE>VI>TE>heterosexual because I like men! (Why? I have no clue! :) ) TE>VI>I don't like men, I just like Bob. :) TE>Hmm, is there something about Bob in particular that we don't know? :) Yeah, he likes to eat pussy. And he is very, very good at it. :) Date: Wednesday, June 18, 1997 7:44am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 737647 To: Tempest Re: I love anything that moves (Reply to #737524, Reply to #737042, Reply to #736988, R*) (1 reply) TE>VI>TE>VVI>TE>VI>You misunderstand what I am saying. Most people wouldn't fu TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI> They are too well socialized to do so. Most humans, includi TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>would be revolted at the idea! TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>But what makes you think that socialization is the cause of this TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>revulsion? That's the part I don't understand. TE>VI>TE>VI>I believe that socialization directs young children away from the " TE>VI>TE>VI>pleasure principle" that I discuss below and implants this revulsio TE>VI>TE>VI>people. If it were not for socialization adults would exhibit the TE>VI>TE>VI>"pure pleasure" principle as toddlers. TE>VI>TE>Why would you think that? Adults THINK differently from toddlers, TE>VI>TE>inherently. Toddlers are simply not yet developed mentally sufficientl TE>VI>TE>to engage in the same activities as do adults. TE>VI>Because pleasure feels good! Adults would have no reason to avoid TE>VI>sources of potential pleasure if it were not for socialization. TE>That's not true! If adults simply engaged in pleasure all the time, they TE>would simply starve to death! Adults don't avoid pleasure because of TE>socialization, they avoid pleasure because they need to do work to keep TE>themselves alive as well! And it is socialization that teaches us we have to work to earn money to keep ourselves alive, etc. :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>What I am discribing is the "pure pleasure principle" that to TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>exhibit. You can't make past age 3 without being socialized TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>stage of development. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>I don't get it... toddlers don't have even have sex with anythin TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>anyone! TE>VI>TE>VI>Toddlers do play with their genitals. :) TE>VI>TE>So do adults, probably more so than toddlers! :) TE>VI>Of course, of course! :) TE>VI>TE>VI>If you watch a toddler you will see that they will do just about TE>VI>TE>VI>anything to make themselves feel good. I think this is the "pure TE>VI>TE>VI>sensuality" or "pure carnality" that humans would exhibit if it wer TE>VI>TE>VI>not socialized out of us as part of growing up. TE>VI>TE>I dunno, I've watched toddlers before and I've rarely see them do TE>VI>TE>anything for pleasure that is in any way sexual, sensual, or carnal. TE>VI>TE>They generally just play with their toys to give themselves pleasure, TE>VI>TE>and I can't fathom how that's related to sensuality or carnality in an TE>VI>TE>way. TE>VI>Toddlers don't exhibit sexual behavior because sexuality does not arise TE>VI>until you hit adolsence. But they do try to act in a manner to TE>VI>maximize giving themself bodily pleasure. And what can give you bigger TE>VI>bodily pleasure as an adult than an organism? :) TE>I dunno, still I don't notice toddlers to be giving themselves constant TE>bodily pleasure, or any bodily pleasure at all come to think of it. And TE>yes, an orgasm is quite a source of bodily pleasure for adults :) but by TE>your reasoning, then, why don't adults have sex constantly? Most adults TE>who are not in their sexual prime (around 18 for guys, around 35 for TE>women) do not even desire sex more than once a week or so. Speak for yourself woman! I'm 42 years old and I desire sex every day! And I frequently desire sex MORE than once every day! :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>With all respect, IMHO you believe that people would TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>either sex because YOU are open to that. I may think TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>sexy and may even do something sexual with a women, TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>sexually attracted to men, not because I'm socialize TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>because that is just my gut attraction. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>People would naturally fuck doorknobs. Tempest! Read F TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>don't believe me. :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>*I* wouldn't naturally fuck a doorknob! And Freud is full TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>You wouldn't fuck a doorknob because you are too well sociali TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>That's not true! I wouldn't fuck a doorknob because I think it w TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>hurt too much! And it wouldn't feel as good as a guy's dick anyw TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Hell, I tried a vibrator before and that was disappointing, so I TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>think a doorknob would feel any better :P :) TE>VI>Different strokes for a different folks. I don't much like vaginal TE>VI>penetration from any source. :) TE>Yup, different strokes! But then, if you don't like vaginal penetration TE>but I do - what is the reason for this, socialization as well?! Natually. :) No seriously, I have no idea. Sexuality is such a holy mystery to me. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>IMHO being attracted to men, women, children, animal TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>donuts, or what have you is an instinctual taste uni TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>individual! TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>This is a relatively modern concept. Our entire concep TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>"heterosexuality", "homosexuality" or "bisexuality" onl TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>developed in the late 19th or early 20th century. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>These concepts developed as widespread things that we now TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>freely. But by no means were they unknown beforehand! Have TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>about the Ancient Greeks? :) TE>VI>The sexuality that the ancient Greeks practiced is not analogous to TE>VI>contemporary gay men. There was not the rigid dictomy between TE>VI>homosexuliaty and heterosexuality. There was a lot more fluidity--men TE>VI>who made love to other men were mostly bisexual in practice. TE>Well, we don't really know that. Maybe they were homosexual but they TE>only got married and had sex with their wives because society expected TE>them to do so. Besides, there is not such a rigid dicotomy between TE>homosexuality and heterosexuality in modern times, there are a LOT of TE>bisexuals out there, especially among women. The ol' "I Love Anything TE>That Moves" is getting pretty popular... That's because that's our natural state. :) Date: Wednesday, June 18, 1997 7:45am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 737648 To: Steve Flur Re: Strap on's (Reply to #737593, Reply to #737268, Reply to #737214, R*) (1 reply) SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>DO>³VV> I also think that GMHC was formed because of th SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>DO>³VV> health care professionals...and because gay com SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>DO>³VV> perceived that AIDS was being ignored by societ SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>DO>³VV> was predominately killing gay men. SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>DO>ÔÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>DO> Exactly... SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>DO> By the way, they have been trying their darndest t SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>DO> "the word out" that they're don't only serve gay m SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>DO>--- SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>I think that's pretty clear! They do fantastic work fo SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>Actually.......I had better behave. SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>You behave? Never! :) SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>As you have said, better not to air dirty laundry in public. SF>VI>SF>VI>Me, have any dirty laundry? Never! :) SF>VI>SF>Theirs, not yours! SF>VI>Now that's a horse of another color!!! :) SF>And it's not a pretty one either! That goes without saying. :) Date: Wednesday, June 18, 1997 9:43pm Forum: Xrated From: Vanessa Msg#: 737674 To: Synne Re: BBS's and meeting people (Reply to #147077, Reply to #147032, Reply to #146488,*) (3 replies) SY>"considering how many males here want you"... Ugh. When I first started SY>calling BBS's I was on such a high.. it was like "shit.. I'm so popular, SY>I have all these guys up my ass"... but then I started thinking about it SY>and it pissed me off because these guys have never seen me, they don't SY>know ME.. they just "wanted" me because I had the right parts... When a SY>guy out of nowhere leaves me a message and asks me out it pisses me off SY>to no end.. But when I talk to guys on here.. I mean actually TALK about SY>our feelings and things like that, THEN I get flattered if they're SY>interested... But I like guys to at least try to get to know me before SY>they decide to confess their undying love. SY> Sorry for being late replying to this... but true.. as long as you have an "F" in sex in the bio (and I dont mean a grade!), the rest is their imagination of what you look like... They just want girls girls girls! :) -Van Date: Thursday, June 19, 1997 9:51am Forum: Xrated From: Steve Flur Msg#: 737689 To: Vida Re: Strap on's (Reply to #737648, Reply to #737593, Reply to #737268, R*) VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>DO>³VV> I also think that GMHC was formed because of VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>DO>³VV> health care professionals...and because gay VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>DO>³VV> perceived that AIDS was being ignored by soc VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>DO>³VV> was predominately killing gay men. VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>DO>ÔÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>DO> Exactly... VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>DO> By the way, they have been trying their darndes VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>DO> "the word out" that they're don't only serve ga VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>DO>--- VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>I think that's pretty clear! They do fantastic work VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>Actually.......I had better behave. VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>You behave? Never! :) VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>SF>As you have said, better not to air dirty laundry in public. VI>SF>VI>SF>VI>Me, have any dirty laundry? Never! :) VI>SF>VI>SF>Theirs, not yours! VI>SF>VI>Now that's a horse of another color!!! :) VI>SF>And it's not a pretty one either! VI>That goes without saying. :) Unfortunately true! Date: Monday, June 23, 1997 12:22am Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 737802 To: Vanessa Re: BBS's and meeting people (Reply to #737674, Reply to #147077, Reply to #147032, R*) Wow! That was an old message! But.. yeah, really... :-) Date: Monday, June 30, 1997 6:33pm Forum: Xrated From: Sam Beckett Msg#: 738131 To: Vanessa Re: BBS's and meeting people (Reply to #737674, Reply to #147077, Reply to #147032, R*) (2 replies) I agree wholeheartedly! As a person who is used to using things like the IRC, I have to confess that I am also dubious of people who start up these net.relationships. I have to confess that even as a male, it seems like most of the guys out there just want the cybersex and not the actual relationship that may come if they get to know somone. It's hard to find people who want to chat and get to know you..I am glad I came here, though. It seems liek most people here are all right. :) Date: Monday, June 30, 1997 8:25pm Forum: Xrated From: Sam Beckett Msg#: 738139 To: ** ALL ** *EXEMPT* Re: Technique (2 replies) This is going to sound odd, but here goes. :) I dont profess to be the world's greatest lover, nor do I go around beating my chest, saying how good I am in bed. But I do have one question, and I guess it would go primarily to the ladies who may read this. Is it just me, or do most men today, especially younger guys, seem to not know idea 1 about how to really please their partner? I mean, is it just a lack of caring, a lack of technique, or what is the story? The few encounters I have had with women in my 26 years always seem to begin the same way--the discussion which starts with them being surprised that I actually care enough to take time to please the person I am with. Like I said, I am not blowing my own horn, but it really confuses me to an extent. I would hate to think that we are becoming a society where it's ok to just "do" the person you are with and that's that. What sayest all of ye? :) Date: Monday, June 30, 1997 11:48pm Forum: Xrated From: Larry T Msg#: 738164 To: ** ALL ** Re: COULD SOMEBODY GET ME A LITTLE HELP HERE . (1 reply) I NEED PROGRAM TO UNZIP MY FILES CAN ANY ONE HELP PLEASE THANK YOU I NEED A UNZIP PROGRAM AND MEET A YOUNY LADY Date: Tuesday, July 1, 1997 9:26am Forum: Xrated From: Sam Beckett Msg#: 738191 To: Larry T Re: COULD SOMEBODY GET ME A LITTLE HELP HERE . (Reply to #738164) (1 reply) LarryT: For the unzipping part, there are two programs I use-- One is WinZip 95, which is designed for Windows 95, and the other is PKZIP, which is part of the PKWARE package. I know we have WinZip here, but I am not sure about the PKWARE. If we dont have it, mail me and I'll upload it.! As for the young lady part, well....I cant help you beyond this--be yourself and be honest. You may not attract as MANY young ladies, but the one's you attract will probably be more sincere and better quality, too. :) Date: Thursday, July 3, 1997 12:53am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 738427 To: Vida Re: Dr Pax likes to eat pussy (Reply to #737646, Reply to #737523, Reply to #737041, R*) (1 reply) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>Sorry about that. I can get hot under the collar sometimes. VI>TE>VI>TE>That's ok! Nothing I ever write to you is intended personally, ok? VI>TE>VI>I'll try not to take any thing you write personally. But this is one VI>TE>VI>of my worse character faults that is real, real hard for me to fight VI>TE>VI>against, ok? VI>TE>Ok, I will try to keep it in mind. Just TRY not to take things so VI>TE>personally, though, you only make life more difficult for yourself if VI>TE>you do that! (although I should follow my own advice :) ) VI>Now you sound like my shrink. This is something she is always drilling VI>into my head. :) Hey, she's right! :) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>I still say the manner in which you express yourself sexually as VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>EVERYTHING about your socialization. :) VI>TE>VI>TE>I guess that means I was socialized by dominant masters in whips an VI>TE>VI>TE>chains? :) I may be a plain ol' heterosexual but nothing about my VI>TE>VI>TE>sexual expression is plain or typical in any sense >:) VI>TE>VI>Well if you are into whips and chains than you are definitinately NOT VI>TE>VI>into vanilla sex. :) VI>TE>See? Told ya :) VI>You didn't have to do too much to convince me of this fact. :) Oh? Is it that obvious? :) VI>TE>VI>I still stand by my statement that your sexual preferences reflect you VI>TE>VI>socialization, btw. :) VI>TE>So what is it about my socialization that could have possibly made me VI>TE>get into whips, chains, S&M, domination/submission, etc.? VI>How should I know? I don't know anything about your childhood, your VI>family life or your personal history. Well, what is it that commonly gets people into this stuff? VI>TE>I doubt that, S&M and B&D is actually getting rather mainstream nowadays VI>TE>(unfortunately!) VI>Why do you say it is unfortunate that B& D is getting mainstream? I VI>thought you said you were into whips and chains? I am. But things in general are much more fun when they are not mainstream. It makes me roll my eyes every time I get into something, and a few years later everyone else is into it too! Ugh. VI>I don't agree with you that S & M and B & D is mainstream, BTW. I VI>think this is still 'fringe' sexuality. No, it's mainstream. Every freakin magazine I pick up has stuff in it about S&M, or ads in it for the S&M clubs, etc. It's become a fad. VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>My current hetersexuality is anything BUT mandatory! :) VI>TE>VI>TE>Neither is mine! I'm not heterosexual because I HAVE to be, I'm VI>TE>VI>TE>heterosexual because I like men! (Why? I have no clue! :) ) VI>TE>VI>I don't like men, I just like Bob. :) VI>TE>Hmm, is there something about Bob in particular that we don't know? :) VI>Yeah, he likes to eat pussy. And he is very, very good at it. :) Well, he is not the only man in the world who's good at eating pussy, believe me! >:) But good for you, having a significant other who eats pussy real well is definately a great thing to have :) Date: Thursday, July 3, 1997 1:09am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 738430 To: Vida Re: I love anything that moves (Reply to #737647, Reply to #737524, Reply to #737042, R*) (1 reply) VVI>TE>VI>TE>VI>I believe that socialization directs young children away from th VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>pleasure principle" that I discuss below and implants this revul VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>people. If it were not for socialization adults would exhibit t VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>"pure pleasure" principle as toddlers. VI>TE>VI>TE>Why would you think that? Adults THINK differently from toddlers, VI>TE>VI>TE>inherently. Toddlers are simply not yet developed mentally sufficie VI>TE>VI>TE>to engage in the same activities as do adults. VI>TE>VI>Because pleasure feels good! Adults would have no reason to avoid VI>TE>VI>sources of potential pleasure if it were not for socialization. VI>TE>That's not true! If adults simply engaged in pleasure all the time, they VI>TE>would simply starve to death! Adults don't avoid pleasure because of VI>TE>socialization, they avoid pleasure because they need to do work to VI>TE>keep themselves alive as well! VI>And it is socialization that teaches us we have to work to earn money VI>to keep ourselves alive, etc. :) Not so! We know that we have to work to keep ourselves alive because it is OBVIOUS, not because of socialization. If we didn't do this the "socialized" way (i.e. work to make money to buy food), we'd have to work anyway, like grow plants to eat or hunt animals or whatever. There is simply no way of staying alive without putting in some effort, and that has nothing to do with socialization. VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>If you watch a toddler you will see that they will do just about VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>anything to make themselves feel good. I think this is the "pur VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>sensuality" or "pure carnality" that humans would exhibit if it VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>not socialized out of us as part of growing up. VI>TE>VI>TE>I dunno, I've watched toddlers before and I've rarely see them do VI>TE>VI>TE>anything for pleasure that is in any way sexual, sensual, or carnal VI>TE>VI>TE>They generally just play with their toys to give themselves pleasur VI>TE>VI>TE>and I can't fathom how that's related to sensuality or carnality in VI>TE>VI>TE>way. VI>TE>VI>Toddlers don't exhibit sexual behavior because sexuality does not aris VI>TE>VI>until you hit adolsence. But they do try to act in a manner to VI>TE>VI>maximize giving themself bodily pleasure. And what can give you bigge VI>TE>VI>bodily pleasure as an adult than an organism? :) VI>TE>I dunno, still I don't notice toddlers to be giving themselves constant VI>TE>bodily pleasure, or any bodily pleasure at all come to think of it. And VI>TE>yes, an orgasm is quite a source of bodily pleasure for adults :) but by VI>TE>your reasoning, then, why don't adults have sex constantly? Most adults VI>TE>who are not in their sexual prime (around 18 for guys, around 35 for VI>TE>women) do not even desire sex more than once a week or so. VI>Speak for yourself woman! I'm 42 years old and I desire sex every day! VI> And I frequently desire sex MORE than once every day! :) Hey, I'm not speaking for myself! I desire sex pretty damn often myself! I'm speaking for most other people I have come across, though! If you ask around, most people really don't want sex every single day. VI>TE>VI>Different strokes for a different folks. I don't much like vaginal VI>TE>VI>penetration from any source. :) VI>TE>Yup, different strokes! But then, if you don't like vaginal penetration VI>TE>but I do - what is the reason for this, socialization as well?! VI>Natually. :) VI>No seriously, I have no idea. Sexuality is such a holy mystery to me. Same here. But if it's such a mystery to you, then why do you automatically attribute everything to socialization? VI>TE>VI>The sexuality that the ancient Greeks practiced is not analogous to VI>TE>VI>contemporary gay men. There was not the rigid dictomy between VI>TE>VI>homosexuliaty and heterosexuality. There was a lot more fluidity--men VI>TE>VI>who made love to other men were mostly bisexual in practice. VI>TE>Well, we don't really know that. Maybe they were homosexual but they VI>TE>only got married and had sex with their wives because society expected VI>TE>them to do so. Besides, there is not such a rigid dicotomy between VI>TE>homosexuality and heterosexuality in modern times, there are a LOT of VI>TE>bisexuals out there, especially among women. The ol' "I Love Anything VI>TE>That Moves" is getting pretty popular... VI>That's because that's our natural state. :) And why do you make that assumption? :) Date: Thursday, July 3, 1997 1:14am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 738435 To: Vanessa Re: BBS's and meeting people (Reply to #737674, Reply to #147077, Reply to #147032, R*) VA>SY>"considering how many males here want you"... Ugh. When I first started VA>SY>calling BBS's I was on such a high.. it was like "shit.. I'm so popular, VA>SY>I have all these guys up my ass"... but then I started thinking about it VA>SY>and it pissed me off because these guys have never seen me, they don't VA>SY>know ME.. they just "wanted" me because I had the right parts... When a VA>SY>guy out of nowhere leaves me a message and asks me out it pisses me off VA>SY>to no end.. But when I talk to guys on here.. I mean actually TALK about VA>SY>our feelings and things like that, THEN I get flattered if they're VA>SY>interested... But I like guys to at least try to get to know me before VA>SY>they decide to confess their undying love. VA>SY> VA> Sorry for being late replying to this... but true.. as long as you VA> have an "F" in sex in the bio (and I dont mean a grade!), the rest is VA> their imagination of what you look like... They just want girls girls VA> girls! VA> :) -Van Hey, that's why I put some other letter in my bio aside from "F", I hate assholes popping up out of nowhere and bothering me! Date: Thursday, July 3, 1997 1:17am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 738436 To: Sam Beckett Re: BBS's and meeting people (Reply to #738131, Reply to #737674, Reply to #147077, R*) SB>I agree wholeheartedly! SB> As a person who is used to using things like the IRC, I have to SB>confess that I am also dubious of people who start up these SB>net.relationships. I have to confess that even as a male, it seems like SB>most of the guys out there just want the cybersex and not the actual SB>relationship that may come if they get to know somone. It's hard to find SB>people who want to chat and get to know you..I am glad I came here, SB>though. It seems liek most people here are all right. :) Yeah, most of us on here that type a lot are for real, we actually like having conversations with others that don't involve hitting on people! Date: Thursday, July 3, 1997 1:29am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 738441 To: Sam Beckett Re: Technique (Reply to #738139) (1 reply) SB>This is going to sound odd, but here goes. :) SB> I dont profess to be the world's greatest lover, nor do I go SB>around beating my chest, saying how good I am in bed. But I do have one SB>question, and I guess it would go primarily to the ladies who may read SB>this. Is it just me, or do most men today, especially younger guys, seem SB>to not know idea 1 about how to really please their partner? I mean, is SB>it just a lack of caring, a lack of technique, or what is the story? SB> The few encounters I have had with women in my 26 years always SB>seem to begin the same way--the discussion which starts with them being SB>surprised that I actually care enough to take time to please the person SB>I am with. Like I said, I am not blowing my own horn, but it really SB>confuses me to an extent. I would hate to think that we are becoming a SB>society where it's ok to just "do" the person you are with and that's SB>that. What sayest all of ye? :) I'm not sure, but I think it might have to do with a combination of lack of experience and being so horny that the guy only wants to please himself. In general, the lovers I've had who were, say, under 21 - the majority of them were pretty bad (but not all). And the ones in their 20s or 30s, the majority of those were very good (but again, not all). So with the younger ones who were no good, it seemed partially that they didn't really know what they were doing, and partially that they really basically wanted to please themselves, or maybe that they figured that I would like it no matter what they did. The older, better ones seemed like they had gotten over their kick that they had to get laid as much as possible, and concentrated more on the quality and not the quantity. But it works the same way with women, at least it did in my case. When I first started having sex, almost any kind of sex was good, and I was more interested in seeing what it was like with different guys than in making the sex good. But as I got older and more experienced, it started to take more to satisfy me, and quality became much more important. So I think this has to do mostly with age/experience. Date: Thursday, July 3, 1997 8:03am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 738492 To: Tempest Re: Dr Pax likes to eat pussy (Reply to #738427, Reply to #737646, Reply to #737523, R*) (2 replies) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>Sorry about that. I can get hot under the collar sometimes. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>That's ok! Nothing I ever write to you is intended personally, o TE>VI>TE>VI>I'll try not to take any thing you write personally. But this is TE>VI>TE>VI>of my worse character faults that is real, real hard for me to figh TE>VI>TE>VI>against, ok? TE>VI>TE>Ok, I will try to keep it in mind. Just TRY not to take things so TE>VI>TE>personally, though, you only make life more difficult for yourself if TE>VI>TE>you do that! (although I should follow my own advice :) ) TE>VI>Now you sound like my shrink. This is something she is always drilling TE>VI>into my head. :) TE>Hey, she's right! :) I know, I know!!!! It is still very hard for me to escape from this character defect of mine. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>I still say the manner in which you express yourself sexually TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>EVERYTHING about your socialization. :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>I guess that means I was socialized by dominant masters in whips TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>chains? :) I may be a plain ol' heterosexual but nothing about TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>sexual expression is plain or typical in any sense >:) TE>VI>TE>VI>Well if you are into whips and chains than you are definitinately N TE>VI>TE>VI>into vanilla sex. :) TE>VI>TE>See? Told ya :) TE>VI>You didn't have to do too much to convince me of this fact. :) TE>Oh? Is it that obvious? :) YUP!!!! :) :) TE>VI>TE>VI>I still stand by my statement that your sexual preferences reflect TE>VI>TE>VI>socialization, btw. :) TE>VI>TE>So what is it about my socialization that could have possibly made me TE>VI>TE>get into whips, chains, S&M, domination/submission, etc.? TE>VI>How should I know? I don't know anything about your childhood, your TE>VI>family life or your personal history. TE>Well, what is it that commonly gets people into this stuff? I think that S & M is an attempt to resolve some childhood trauma or abuse. TE>VI>TE>I doubt that, S&M and B&D is actually getting rather mainstream nowada TE>VI>TE>(unfortunately!) TE>VI>Why do you say it is unfortunate that B& D is getting mainstream? I TE>VI>thought you said you were into whips and chains? TE>I am. But things in general are much more fun when they are not TE>mainstream. It makes me roll my eyes every time I get into something, TE>and a few years later everyone else is into it too! Ugh. ROFTL! Look at it this way, usually when that's the case it is because it is "trendy" or chick to do so. The thing with trends is that they only last for a few years. And after the trend ends then it is no longer fashionable to engage in the activity in question. So my advice to you is simply ride out the trend. You were doing it before it was trendy. And you will probably be doing it after it was trendy. :) TE>VI>I don't agree with you that S & M and B & D is mainstream, BTW. I TE>VI>think this is still 'fringe' sexuality. TE>No, it's mainstream. Every freakin magazine I pick up has stuff in it TE>about S&M, or ads in it for the S&M clubs, etc. It's become a fad. Maybe every magazine you pick up. Not every magazine I pick up, by any stretch of the imagination. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>My current hetersexuality is anything BUT mandatory! :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Neither is mine! I'm not heterosexual because I HAVE to be, I'm TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>heterosexual because I like men! (Why? I have no clue! :) ) TE>VI>TE>VI>I don't like men, I just like Bob. :) TE>VI>TE>Hmm, is there something about Bob in particular that we don't know? :) TE>VI>Yeah, he likes to eat pussy. And he is very, very good at it. :) TE>Well, he is not the only man in the world who's good at eating pussy, TE>believe me! >:) But good for you, having a significant other who eats TE>pussy real well is definately a great thing to have :) For me, I couldn't be with a lover who didn't like to eat pussy! :) And I do think that Bob is unusually adept at eating pussy for a man. That's why I have labeled him a "honorary girafee". A girafee is a lesbian code word for lesbian. Girafees have the longest tongues you see. :) Date: Thursday, July 3, 1997 8:07am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 738493 To: Tempest Re: I love anything that moves (Reply to #738430, Reply to #737647, Reply to #737524, R*) (1 reply) TE>VVI>TE>VI>TE>VI>I believe that socialization directs young children away fro TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>pleasure principle" that I discuss below and implants this re TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>people. If it were not for socialization adults would exhibi TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>"pure pleasure" principle as toddlers. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Why would you think that? Adults THINK differently from toddlers TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>inherently. Toddlers are simply not yet developed mentally suffi TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>to engage in the same activities as do adults. TE>VI>TE>VI>Because pleasure feels good! Adults would have no reason to avoid TE>VI>TE>VI>sources of potential pleasure if it were not for socialization. TE>VI>TE>That's not true! If adults simply engaged in pleasure all the time, th TE>VI>TE>would simply starve to death! Adults don't avoid pleasure because of TE>VI>TE>socialization, they avoid pleasure because they need to do work to TE>VI>TE>keep themselves alive as well! TE>VI>And it is socialization that teaches us we have to work to earn money TE>VI>to keep ourselves alive, etc. :) TE>Not so! We know that we have to work to keep ourselves alive because it TE>is OBVIOUS, not because of socialization. If we didn't do this the TE>"socialized" way (i.e. work to make money to buy food), we'd have to TE>work anyway, like grow plants to eat or hunt animals or whatever. There TE>is simply no way of staying alive without putting in some effort, and TE>that has nothing to do with socialization. It is not obvious at all that you have to work to eat. It is 100% pure socialization that teaches us this. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>If you watch a toddler you will see that they will do just ab TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>anything to make themselves feel good. I think this is the " TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>sensuality" or "pure carnality" that humans would exhibit if TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>not socialized out of us as part of growing up. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>I dunno, I've watched toddlers before and I've rarely see them d TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>anything for pleasure that is in any way sexual, sensual, or car TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>They generally just play with their toys to give themselves plea TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>and I can't fathom how that's related to sensuality or carnality TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>way. TE>VI>TE>VI>Toddlers don't exhibit sexual behavior because sexuality does not a TE>VI>TE>VI>until you hit adolsence. But they do try to act in a manner to TE>VI>TE>VI>maximize giving themself bodily pleasure. And what can give you bi TE>VI>TE>VI>bodily pleasure as an adult than an organism? :) TE>VI>TE>I dunno, still I don't notice toddlers to be giving themselves constan TE>VI>TE>bodily pleasure, or any bodily pleasure at all come to think of it. An TE>VI>TE>yes, an orgasm is quite a source of bodily pleasure for adults :) but TE>VI>TE>your reasoning, then, why don't adults have sex constantly? Most adult TE>VI>TE>who are not in their sexual prime (around 18 for guys, around 35 for TE>VI>TE>women) do not even desire sex more than once a week or so. TE>VI>Speak for yourself woman! I'm 42 years old and I desire sex every day! TE>VI> And I frequently desire sex MORE than once every day! :) TE>Hey, I'm not speaking for myself! I desire sex pretty damn often myself! TE>I'm speaking for most other people I have come across, though! If you TE>ask around, most people really don't want sex every single day. OH, really! I do! :) :) :) :) TE>VI>TE>VI>Different strokes for a different folks. I don't much like vaginal TE>VI>TE>VI>penetration from any source. :) TE>VI>TE>Yup, different strokes! But then, if you don't like vaginal penetratio TE>VI>TE>but I do - what is the reason for this, socialization as well?! TE>VI>Natually. :) TE>VI>No seriously, I have no idea. Sexuality is such a holy mystery to me. TE>Same here. But if it's such a mystery to you, then why do you TE>automatically attribute everything to socialization? Not automatically. I just assume socialization is the reason until proven otherwise. I think that socialization serves the pivotal role in fashioning who we are as human beings---our likes, our dislikes, our culture. TE>VI>TE>VI>The sexuality that the ancient Greeks practiced is not analogous to TE>VI>TE>VI>contemporary gay men. There was not the rigid dictomy between TE>VI>TE>VI>homosexuliaty and heterosexuality. There was a lot more fluidity-- TE>VI>TE>VI>who made love to other men were mostly bisexual in practice. TE>VI>TE>Well, we don't really know that. Maybe they were homosexual but they TE>VI>TE>only got married and had sex with their wives because society expected TE>VI>TE>them to do so. Besides, there is not such a rigid dicotomy between TE>VI>TE>homosexuality and heterosexuality in modern times, there are a LOT of TE>VI>TE>bisexuals out there, especially among women. The ol' "I Love Anything TE>VI>TE>That Moves" is getting pretty popular... TE>VI>That's because that's our natural state. :) TE>And why do you make that assumption? :) From personal experience? :) Date: Thursday, July 3, 1997 8:50am Forum: Xrated From: Sam Beckett Msg#: 738498 To: Tempest Re: Technique (Reply to #738441, Reply to #738139) (1 reply) Thanks for the response! :) My theory had run along the lines of yours as well, although I have to confess that I hadn't really thought of the age factor. Curious that I would overlook such an obvious thing. I didnt first sleep with someone until I was 18, so my teenage years weren't really ones of experimentation--perhaps that has something to do with it. In any event, I will definitely take that into account for the future. Again, thanks for the input! :) Anyone else? Date: Thursday, July 3, 1997 9:16am Forum: Xrated From: Sam Beckett Msg#: 738506 To: Vida Re: Dr Pax likes to eat pussy (Reply to #738492, Reply to #738427, Reply to #737646, R*) (2 replies) Hmm.. Well, I figure either I am going to do ok, or throw myself RIGHT into the fire here, but this is too good to pass up. :) For one, I would say that taking things personally is not a "character defect." If your "shrink" as you called her is telling you that, then I would heartily recommend finding another shrink. More probably, taking things personally is simply a trait which has developed as a result of input received as a child. I dont profess to make any claims to your childhood; this is only a theory. I know when I was young, it always seemed like I was being picked on for being clumsy and not being a "manly man." (Growing up in the country, you had to either hunt, fish, like sports, or whatever, or you werent a "Real man.") As a result, for a number of years into my adulthood, I was very sensitive and could take the slightest joke regarding my ability to perform ANYTHING. I took it very personally, no matter who it was that was saying it. Thanks to a very friendly and helpful counselor, I was able to overcome that reaction(for the most part) and some others as well. Check it out! :) I think if you do, you'll be surprised at what you find is the reason, and will also be pleasantly surprised at how relatively easy it is to overcome it. As for S&M, I cant agree that it is an attempt to overcome childhood abuses. Personally, I think S&M is a way for people to simply give in to parts of their personality that society has deemed "unacceptable." After all, whips and chains arent exactly smiled upon in public places. I do NOT for a moment believe that you have to be some sort of sicko or weirdo to like it. Personally, it is not for me. I am too mild tempered to either whip someone(for pleasure, not as a beating) or be whipped. I dont see how being struck or dominated in such a manner could be stimulating, but if you do, so be it! :) I can handle it so long as it doesnt get out of hand. When someone starts being really HURT, or the like, I would have to wonder about the validity of the claim that it turns them on. But then, I am not all knowing. Thirdly, I have to admit I laughed out loud when I read the "honorary giraffe" statement. That was the first time I had ever heard that term, and would be interested in how one comes by that title. It would be something worth not only practicing, but trying out for! :) I'll wander away now, and return you to your regularly scheduled messages. :) Date: Thursday, July 3, 1997 6:12pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 738544 To: Sam Beckett Re: Dr Pax likes to eat pussy (Reply to #738506, Reply to #738492, Reply to #738427, R*) (1 reply) SB>Hmm.. SB> Well, I figure either I am going to do ok, or throw myself RIGHT SB>into the fire here, but this is too good to pass up. :) SB> For one, I would say that taking things personally is not a SB>"character defect." If your "shrink" as you called her is telling you SB>that, then I would heartily recommend finding another shrink. More SB>probably, taking things personally is simply a trait which has developed SB>as a result of input received as a child. I dont profess to make any SB>claims to your childhood; this is only a theory. I know when I was SB>young, it always seemed like I was being picked on for being clumsy and SB>not being a "manly man." (Growing up in the country, you had to either SB>hunt, fish, like sports, or whatever, or you werent a "Real man.") As a SB>result, for a number of years into my adulthood, I was very sensitive SB>and could take the slightest joke regarding my ability to perform SB>ANYTHING. I took it very personally, no matter who it was that was SB>saying it. Thanks to a very friendly and helpful counselor, I was able SB>to overcome that reaction(for the most part) and some others as well. SB>Check it out! :) I think if you do, you'll be surprised at what you find SB>is the reason, and will also be pleasantly surprised at how relatively SB>easy it is to overcome it. No, in my case taking things personally IS a problem for me that I have to work on. This tendency gets me in trouble because I tend to assume that when a friend makes a complaint they are complaining about me...rather than about what ever else might be causing them a problem. I tend to get very defensive, and needlessly upset. So I don't think I will switch shrinks. I think as a general rule my shrink has very good insights into my character. SB> As for S&M, I cant agree that it is an attempt to overcome SB>childhood abuses. Personally, I think S&M is a way for people to simply SB>give in to parts of their personality that society has deemed SB>"unacceptable." After all, whips and chains arent exactly smiled upon in SB>public places. I do NOT for a moment believe that you have to be some SB>sort of sicko or weirdo to like it. Personally, it is not for me. I am SB>too mild tempered to either whip someone(for pleasure, not as a beating) SB>or be whipped. I dont see how being struck or dominated in such a manner SB>could be stimulating, but if you do, so be it! :) I can handle it so SB>long as it doesnt get out of hand. When someone starts being really SB>HURT, or the like, I would have to wonder about the validity of the SB>claim that it turns them on. But then, I am not all knowing. Who ever said that you have to be a sicko or weirdo to like S & M? I never said that! Nor did I ever mean to imply that!!!!! The abuse that I refer to might not be abuse with whips and chains. It can also be verbal abuse. And I do view S& M as an attempt to 'exocize" childhood pain. SB> Thirdly, I have to admit I laughed out loud when I read the SB>"honorary giraffe" statement. That was the first time I had ever heard SB>that term, and would be interested in how one comes by that title. It SB>would be something worth not only practicing, but trying out for! :) SB> I'll wander away now, and return you to your regularly scheduled SB>messages. :) Well, if you want to earn the nickname of 'honoary girafee" it helps to get a lesbian girlfriend. :) As most of the people on the board know I was exclusively lesbian when I met Bob. I hadn't sleep with a man for over 15 years when we met. Date: Thursday, July 3, 1997 10:27pm Forum: Xrated From: Sam Beckett Msg#: 738551 To: Vida Re: Dr Pax likes to eat pussy (Reply to #738544, Reply to #738506, Reply to #738492, R*) (2 replies) Um.. I am glad to hear that your shrink has good insight and ideas. :) I didnt mean to put the person down, it's just been my experience that a lot of people who are counselors dont always have a very kind manner to them. No offense intended to yours. Also, I was just making a statement that you didnt need to be a sicko to enjoy S & M. I never meant to imply that you had said that, so if it sounded that way, again I apologize. As for the lesbian girlfriend...well..I guess I am out of luck on that score. :) Date: Friday, July 4, 1997 3:12am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 738577 To: Vida Re: Dr Pax likes to eat pussy (Reply to #738492, Reply to #738427, Reply to #737646, R*) (1 reply) VVI>TE>VI>Now you sound like my shrink. This is something she is always drillin VI>TE>VI>into my head. :) VI>TE>Hey, she's right! :) VI>I know, I know!!!! It is still very hard for me to escape from this VI>character defect of mine. VI> Oh, don't think of it as a defect! Think of it as a quirk :) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>I still say the manner in which you express yourself sexua VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>EVERYTHING about your socialization. :) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>I guess that means I was socialized by dominant masters in wh VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>chains? :) I may be a plain ol' heterosexual but nothing abo VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>sexual expression is plain or typical in any sense >:) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>Well if you are into whips and chains than you are definitinatel VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>into vanilla sex. :) VI>TE>VI>TE>See? Told ya :) VI>TE>VI>You didn't have to do too much to convince me of this fact. :) VI>TE>Oh? Is it that obvious? :) VI>YUP!!!! :) :) Wow!!! What is it about me that makes it so obvious? I'm getting curious now! You can tell me, this is /xrated after all :) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>I still stand by my statement that your sexual preferences refle VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>socialization, btw. :) VI>TE>VI>TE>So what is it about my socialization that could have possibly made VI>TE>VI>TE>get into whips, chains, S&M, domination/submission, etc.? VI>TE>VI>How should I know? I don't know anything about your childhood, your VI>TE>VI>family life or your personal history. VI>TE>Well, what is it that commonly gets people into this stuff? VI>I think that S & M is an attempt to resolve some childhood trauma or VI>abuse. On the part of the Dom or on the part of the Sub? Or both? VI>TE>VI>TE>I doubt that, S&M and B&D is actually getting rather mainstream now VI>TE>VI>TE>(unfortunately!) VI>TE>VI>Why do you say it is unfortunate that B& D is getting mainstream? I VI>TE>VI>thought you said you were into whips and chains? VI>TE>I am. But things in general are much more fun when they are not VI>TE>mainstream. It makes me roll my eyes every time I get into something, VI>TE>and a few years later everyone else is into it too! Ugh. VI>ROFTL! VI>Look at it this way, usually when that's the case it is because it is VI>"trendy" or chick to do so. The thing with trends is that they only VI>last for a few years. And after the trend ends then it is no longer VI>fashionable to engage in the activity in question. VI>So my advice to you is simply ride out the trend. You were doing it VI>before it was trendy. And you will probably be doing it after it was VI>trendy. :) Very good point! I feel better. :) Thanks for the advice! VI>TE>VI>I don't agree with you that S & M and B & D is mainstream, BTW. I VI>TE>VI>think this is still 'fringe' sexuality. VI>TE>No, it's mainstream. Every freakin magazine I pick up has stuff in it VI>TE>about S&M, or ads in it for the S&M clubs, etc. It's become a fad. VI>Maybe every magazine you pick up. Not every magazine I pick up, by any VI>stretch of the imagination. Well, not "every" I was exaggerating. :) But a great deal, MUCH more so than in the past! Just go to Tower Books, there's a whole section of magazines about S&M related stuff! Then again, I am speaking out of context of NYC, it's definately trendy in this city but I suppose it is probably considered weird/bad/whatever out in the boondocks. VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>My current hetersexuality is anything BUT mandatory! :) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Neither is mine! I'm not heterosexual because I HAVE to be, I VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>heterosexual because I like men! (Why? I have no clue! :) ) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>I don't like men, I just like Bob. :) VI>TE>VI>TE>Hmm, is there something about Bob in particular that we don't know? VI>TE>VI>Yeah, he likes to eat pussy. And he is very, very good at it. :) VI>TE>Well, he is not the only man in the world who's good at eating pussy, VI>TE>believe me! >:) But good for you, having a significant other who eats VI>TE>pussy real well is definately a great thing to have :) VI>For me, I couldn't be with a lover who didn't like to eat pussy! :) Same here! Pussy-eating is mandatory! :) VI>And I do think that Bob is unusually adept at eating pussy for a man. VI>That's why I have labeled him a "honorary girafee". "For a man" I like that. :) How many men have eaten your pussy, though? I only had one woman eat my pussy before, and she was pretty damn good but I've had men that were better. I oughtta find some more women to eat it for comparison :) The really good thing about that experience was, though, that I told my ex that this girl was better at eating pussy than he was, and that made him try harder >:) VI>A girafee is a lesbian code word for lesbian. Girafees have the VI>longest tongues you see. :) So is a girafee a lesbian, or a lesbian with a long tongue? Or do all lesbians have long tongues? :) Date: Friday, July 4, 1997 3:25am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 738578 To: Vida Re: I love anything that moves (Reply to #738493, Reply to #738430, Reply to #737647, R*) (1 reply) VVI>TE>VI>TE>That's not true! If adults simply engaged in pleasure all the time, VI>TE>VI>TE>would simply starve to death! Adults don't avoid pleasure because o VI>TE>VI>TE>socialization, they avoid pleasure because they need to do work to VI>TE>VI>TE>keep themselves alive as well! VI>TE>VI>And it is socialization that teaches us we have to work to earn money VI>TE>VI>to keep ourselves alive, etc. :) VI>TE>Not so! We know that we have to work to keep ourselves alive because it VI>TE>is OBVIOUS, not because of socialization. If we didn't do this the VI>TE>"socialized" way (i.e. work to make money to buy food), we'd have to VI>TE>work anyway, like grow plants to eat or hunt animals or whatever. There VI>TE>is simply no way of staying alive without putting in some effort, and VI>TE>that has nothing to do with socialization. VI>It is not obvious at all that you have to work to eat. It is 100% pure VI>socialization that teaches us this. Not obvious? If socialization didn't teach you that you have to work to eat, then what would you do, just lie there and wait for the food to jump in your mouth by itself? VI>TE>VI>TE>I dunno, still I don't notice toddlers to be giving themselves cons VI>TE>VI>TE>bodily pleasure, or any bodily pleasure at all come to think of it. VI>TE>VI>TE>yes, an orgasm is quite a source of bodily pleasure for adults :) b VI>TE>VI>TE>your reasoning, then, why don't adults have sex constantly? Most ad VI>TE>VI>TE>who are not in their sexual prime (around 18 for guys, around 35 fo VI>TE>VI>TE>women) do not even desire sex more than once a week or so. VI>TE>VI>Speak for yourself woman! I'm 42 years old and I desire sex every day VI>TE>VI> And I frequently desire sex MORE than once every day! :) VI>TE>Hey, I'm not speaking for myself! I desire sex pretty damn often myself! VI>TE>I'm speaking for most other people I have come across, though! If you VI>TE>ask around, most people really don't want sex every single day. VI>OH, really! I do! :) :) :) :) Wow! :) Well that is very unique. I don't even want sex THAT often, I only want it, say, about 3 times a week, and Adam says that I'm the horniest woman he's ever been with by far! VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>Different strokes for a different folks. I don't much like vagi VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>penetration from any source. :) VI>TE>VI>TE>Yup, different strokes! But then, if you don't like vaginal penetra VI>TE>VI>TE>but I do - what is the reason for this, socialization as well?! VI>TE>VI>Natually. :) VI>TE>VI>No seriously, I have no idea. Sexuality is such a holy mystery to me. VI>TE>Same here. But if it's such a mystery to you, then why do you VI>TE>automatically attribute everything to socialization? VI>Not automatically. VI>I just assume socialization is the reason until proven otherwise. I VI>think that socialization serves the pivotal role in fashioning who we VI>are as human beings---our likes, our dislikes, our culture. Well then we have a fundamental difference in theory, cause I attribute most of this to genetics. It's the ol' nature vs. nurture debate! VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>The sexuality that the ancient Greeks practiced is not analogous VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>contemporary gay men. There was not the rigid dictomy between VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>homosexuliaty and heterosexuality. There was a lot more fluidit VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>who made love to other men were mostly bisexual in practice. VI>TE>VI>TE>Well, we don't really know that. Maybe they were homosexual but the VI>TE>VI>TE>only got married and had sex with their wives because society expec VI>TE>VI>TE>them to do so. Besides, there is not such a rigid dicotomy between VI>TE>VI>TE>homosexuality and heterosexuality in modern times, there are a LOT VI>TE>VI>TE>bisexuals out there, especially among women. The ol' "I Love Anythi VI>TE>VI>TE>That Moves" is getting pretty popular... VI>TE>VI>That's because that's our natural state. :) VI>TE>And why do you make that assumption? :) VI>From personal experience? :) Ahem can't argue that one :) Date: Friday, July 4, 1997 3:34am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 738579 To: Sam Beckett Re: Technique (Reply to #738498, Reply to #738441, Reply to #738139) SB>Thanks for the response! :) SB> My theory had run along the lines of yours as well, although I SB>have to confess that I hadn't really thought of the age factor. Curious SB>that I would overlook such an obvious thing. I didnt first sleep with SB>someone until I was 18, so my teenage years weren't really ones of SB>experimentation--perhaps that has something to do with it. In any event, SB>I will definitely take that into account for the future. Again, thanks SB>for the input! :) Anyone else? Age is pretty important, teenagers really don't go about sex the same way as adults. I started having sex at the tender age of 15, so I've had a few years to experiment. :) And, you're welcome! By the way, it's good to have you here on this board! I see that you are thoughtful and you like having real conversations, this is a very good thing :) Date: Friday, July 4, 1997 3:46am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 738580 To: Sam Beckett Re: Dr Pax likes to eat pussy (Reply to #738506, Reply to #738492, Reply to #738427, R*) (1 reply) Self-analysis is really hard, I have to admit I take things very personally as well, and I have really tried to figure out the cause of this, and I can't come up with anything! As for the S&M thing: Okay, here goes, I'll be bold. Looks like I'll be divulging parts of my personality in this conversation that I would only divulge to a shrink. :) But anyway, I don't know if S&M fetish is caused by childhood abuses, I guess it might be in some way. But I don't think it has anything to do with society looking down on it, etc. I love S&M, so I'm just speaking for myself. I am here to tell you that being hurt, dominated, etc. can definately be VERY stimulating. It's kind of two-fold - I don't know why, but certain types of pain turn me on. The other thing is emotional - also I don't know why, but the feeling of being dominated, overpowered, etc. turns me on too. I know that people who aren't into it don't understand it; I don't understand it myself! But this is a completely valid claim, these are unexplainable but very real feelings! I've always wanted to figure out WHY I like it, and never had any success! Date: Friday, July 4, 1997 3:56am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 738581 To: Sam Beckett Re: Dr Pax likes to eat pussy (Reply to #738551, Reply to #738544, Reply to #738506, R*) (1 reply) SB>Um.. SB> I am glad to hear that your shrink has good insight and ideas. :) SB>I didnt mean to put the person down, it's just been my experience that a SB>lot of people who are counselors dont always have a very kind manner to SB>them. No offense intended to yours. IMHO a counselor does not necessarily have to have a very kind manner to be a good counselor. It's sort of like "tough love" I guess. When I was in high school, I was falling apart, and I had two counselors there who both had very rough, sarcastic personalities, and they were wonderful, they practically saved my life. Date: Friday, July 4, 1997 11:06am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 738614 To: Sam Beckett Re: Dr Pax likes to eat pussy (Reply to #738551, Reply to #738544, Reply to #738506, R*) (1 reply) SB>Um.. SB> I am glad to hear that your shrink has good insight and ideas. :) SB>I didnt mean to put the person down, it's just been my experience that a SB>lot of people who are counselors dont always have a very kind manner to SB>them. No offense intended to yours. SB> Also, I was just making a statement that you didnt need to be a SB>sicko to enjoy S & M. I never meant to imply that you had said that, so SB>if it sounded that way, again I apologize. SB> As for the lesbian girlfriend...well..I guess I am out of luck on SB>that score. :) I don't know what your situation is now. But there's always next time. :) Date: Friday, July 4, 1997 11:16am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 738615 To: Tempest Re: Dr Pax likes to eat pussy (Reply to #738577, Reply to #738492, Reply to #738427, R*) (2 replies) TE>VVI>TE>VI>Now you sound like my shrink. This is something she is always dri TE>VI>TE>VI>into my head. :) TE>VI>TE>Hey, she's right! :) TE>VI>I know, I know!!!! It is still very hard for me to escape from this TE>VI>character defect of mine. TE>VI> TE>Oh, don't think of it as a defect! Think of it as a quirk :) To the extent it causes me trouble, it's more than a quirk. :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>I still say the manner in which you express yourself se TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>EVERYTHING about your socialization. :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>I guess that means I was socialized by dominant masters in TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>chains? :) I may be a plain ol' heterosexual but nothing TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>sexual expression is plain or typical in any sense >:) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>Well if you are into whips and chains than you are definitina TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>into vanilla sex. :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>See? Told ya :) TE>VI>TE>VI>You didn't have to do too much to convince me of this fact. :) TE>VI>TE>Oh? Is it that obvious? :) TE>VI>YUP!!!! :) :) TE>Wow!!! What is it about me that makes it so obvious? I'm getting curious TE>now! You can tell me, this is /xrated after all :) Well, the last I heard you and Adam were lovers. And I can't imagine that Adam would be into anything vanilla. :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>I still stand by my statement that your sexual preferences re TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>socialization, btw. :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>So what is it about my socialization that could have possibly ma TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>get into whips, chains, S&M, domination/submission, etc.? TE>VI>TE>VI>How should I know? I don't know anything about your childhood, you TE>VI>TE>VI>family life or your personal history. TE>VI>TE>Well, what is it that commonly gets people into this stuff? TE>VI>I think that S & M is an attempt to resolve some childhood trauma or TE>VI>abuse. TE>On the part of the Dom or on the part of the Sub? Or both? Both. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>I doubt that, S&M and B&D is actually getting rather mainstream TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>(unfortunately!) TE>VI>TE>VI>Why do you say it is unfortunate that B& D is getting mainstream? TE>VI>TE>VI>thought you said you were into whips and chains? TE>VI>TE>I am. But things in general are much more fun when they are not TE>VI>TE>mainstream. It makes me roll my eyes every time I get into something, TE>VI>TE>and a few years later everyone else is into it too! Ugh. TE>VI>ROFTL! TE>VI>Look at it this way, usually when that's the case it is because it is TE>VI>"trendy" or chick to do so. The thing with trends is that they only TE>VI>last for a few years. And after the trend ends then it is no longer TE>VI>fashionable to engage in the activity in question. TE>VI>So my advice to you is simply ride out the trend. You were doing it TE>VI>before it was trendy. And you will probably be doing it after it was TE>VI>trendy. :) TE>Very good point! I feel better. :) Thanks for the advice! Glad to help. :) TE>VI>TE>VI>I don't agree with you that S & M and B & D is mainstream, BTW. I TE>VI>TE>VI>think this is still 'fringe' sexuality. TE>VI>TE>No, it's mainstream. Every freakin magazine I pick up has stuff in it TE>VI>TE>about S&M, or ads in it for the S&M clubs, etc. It's become a fad. TE>VI>Maybe every magazine you pick up. Not every magazine I pick up, by any TE>VI>stretch of the imagination. TE>Well, not "every" I was exaggerating. :) But a great deal, MUCH more so TE>than in the past! Just go to Tower Books, there's a whole section of TE>magazines about S&M related stuff! Then again, I am speaking out of TE>context of NYC, it's definately trendy in this city but I suppose it TE>is probably considered weird/bad/whatever out in the boondocks. I am sure that if I went to Tower Books I would probably pass the S & M section without giving it another look. But I think that you are correct that especially in the "downtown" scene that there is a certain S & Mish trendiness. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>My current hetersexuality is anything BUT mandatory! :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Neither is mine! I'm not heterosexual because I HAVE to be TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>heterosexual because I like men! (Why? I have no clue! :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>I don't like men, I just like Bob. :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Hmm, is there something about Bob in particular that we don't kn TE>VI>TE>VI>Yeah, he likes to eat pussy. And he is very, very good at it. :) TE>VI>TE>Well, he is not the only man in the world who's good at eating pussy, TE>VI>TE>believe me! >:) But good for you, having a significant other who eats TE>VI>TE>pussy real well is definately a great thing to have :) TE>VI>For me, I couldn't be with a lover who didn't like to eat pussy! :) TE>Same here! Pussy-eating is mandatory! :) I can't imagine any female NOT making it mandatory! :) :) :) TE>VI>And I do think that Bob is unusually adept at eating pussy for a man. TE>VI>That's why I have labeled him a "honorary girafee". TE>"For a man" I like that. :) How many men have eaten your pussy, though? TE>I only had one woman eat my pussy before, and she was pretty damn good TE>but I've had men that were better. I oughtta find some more women to eat TE>it for comparison :) Well, before Bob I hadn't been with a man for over 15 years. I had sex with men when I was in college and law school but not since that time. And my memory was that the men I was with just wanted to fuck. Anything other than vaginal intercourse was considered "foreplay" by these men. And yeah, if you want to have your pussy eaten well, find a lesbian. :) TE>The really good thing about that experience was, though, that I told my TE>ex that this girl was better at eating pussy than he was, and that made TE>him try harder >:) TE>VI>A girafee is a lesbian code word for lesbian. Girafees have the TE>VI>longest tongues you see. :) TE>So is a girafee a lesbian, or a lesbian with a long tongue? Or do all TE>lesbians have long tongues? :) A girafee is a lesbian. And lesbians don't necesarily have long tontues. They just know how to use their tongues well. :) Date: Friday, July 4, 1997 11:21am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 738616 To: Tempest Re: I love anything that moves (Reply to #738578, Reply to #738493, Reply to #738430, R*) (1 reply) TE>VVI>TE>VI>TE>That's not true! If adults simply engaged in pleasure all the t TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>would simply starve to death! Adults don't avoid pleasure becaus TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>socialization, they avoid pleasure because they need to do work TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>keep themselves alive as well! TE>VI>TE>VI>And it is socialization that teaches us we have to work to earn mon TE>VI>TE>VI>to keep ourselves alive, etc. :) TE>VI>TE>Not so! We know that we have to work to keep ourselves alive because i TE>VI>TE>is OBVIOUS, not because of socialization. If we didn't do this the TE>VI>TE>"socialized" way (i.e. work to make money to buy food), we'd have to TE>VI>TE>work anyway, like grow plants to eat or hunt animals or whatever. Ther TE>VI>TE>is simply no way of staying alive without putting in some effort, and TE>VI>TE>that has nothing to do with socialization. TE>VI>It is not obvious at all that you have to work to eat. It is 100% pure TE>VI>socialization that teaches us this. TE>Not obvious? If socialization didn't teach you that you have to work to TE>eat, then what would you do, just lie there and wait for the food to TE>jump in your mouth by itself? Absoultely!!!! Or more precisely, you want just lie in bed and wait for someone to feed you and provide you with all your needs. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>I dunno, still I don't notice toddlers to be giving themselves c TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>bodily pleasure, or any bodily pleasure at all come to think of TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>yes, an orgasm is quite a source of bodily pleasure for adults : TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>your reasoning, then, why don't adults have sex constantly? Most TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>who are not in their sexual prime (around 18 for guys, around 35 TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>women) do not even desire sex more than once a week or so. TE>VI>TE>VI>Speak for yourself woman! I'm 42 years old and I desire sex every TE>VI>TE>VI> And I frequently desire sex MORE than once every day! :) TE>VI>TE>Hey, I'm not speaking for myself! I desire sex pretty damn often mysel TE>VI>TE>I'm speaking for most other people I have come across, though! If you TE>VI>TE>ask around, most people really don't want sex every single day. TE>VI>OH, really! I do! :) :) :) :) TE>Wow! :) Well that is very unique. I don't even want sex THAT often, I TE>only want it, say, about 3 times a week, and Adam says that I'm the TE>horniest woman he's ever been with by far! I can just about have sex at the drop of the hat...so I guess that makes me even hornier than you. :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>Different strokes for a different folks. I don't much like v TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>penetration from any source. :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Yup, different strokes! But then, if you don't like vaginal pene TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>but I do - what is the reason for this, socialization as well?! TE>VI>TE>VI>Natually. :) TE>VI>TE>VI>No seriously, I have no idea. Sexuality is such a holy mystery to m TE>VI>TE>Same here. But if it's such a mystery to you, then why do you TE>VI>TE>automatically attribute everything to socialization? TE>VI>Not automatically. TE>VI>I just assume socialization is the reason until proven otherwise. I TE>VI>think that socialization serves the pivotal role in fashioning who we TE>VI>are as human beings---our likes, our dislikes, our culture. TE>Well then we have a fundamental difference in theory, cause I attribute TE>most of this to genetics. It's the ol' nature vs. nurture debate! That's exactly what is! We two fall on the opposite spectrums of the nature vs. nurture debate. :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>The sexuality that the ancient Greeks practiced is not analog TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>contemporary gay men. There was not the rigid dictomy betwee TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>homosexuliaty and heterosexuality. There was a lot more flui TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>who made love to other men were mostly bisexual in practice. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Well, we don't really know that. Maybe they were homosexual but TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>only got married and had sex with their wives because society ex TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>them to do so. Besides, there is not such a rigid dicotomy betwe TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>homosexuality and heterosexuality in modern times, there are a L TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>bisexuals out there, especially among women. The ol' "I Love Any TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>That Moves" is getting pretty popular... TE>VI>TE>VI>That's because that's our natural state. :) TE>VI>TE>And why do you make that assumption? :) TE>VI>From personal experience? :) TE>Ahem can't argue that one :) What else could it be? :) Just keep in mind, there's a difference between my lusts and my practice! :) Date: Saturday, July 5, 1997 10:40am Forum: Xrated From: Sam Beckett Msg#: 738636 To: Tempest Re: Dr Pax likes to eat pussy (Reply to #738580, Reply to #738506, Reply to #738492, R*) (1 reply) Hey, don't feel badly. Self analysis IS hard. Sometimes, though, the only one we will be honest with is ourselves, as illogical as that may sound. Still, it is difficult. As for the S&M thing, I do have to admit that I still dont quite understand it. Then again, I am making a decision based on my own experiences, which are unique to me. I have never found pain of any kind, save for one, (that of a woman's fingernails in my back, and no I am not trying to be funny) to be stimulating. I have an observation, though, and if this is totally wrong, please don't stone me. :) I remember talking to one young lady who said that she liked aggressive, ie, dominating men, so long as they weren't mean to her. I was curious, and in talking some more, it turned out that the parents she had had, as well as the "principles" that were given her made her think subconsciously that sex was wrong;it couldnt be enjoyed, it was sinful, all those things that well meaning parents will say to try and keep their children from "making a mistake." Add to that the fact that as she grew up she was possessed of a normal sexual appetite, and indulged it, she felt guilt. So it turned out her liking of dominating men was because inside, it absolved any guilt she felt because she felt she was helpless, ie, had no control. It also allowed her to feel good about having sex, as the guilt was no longer there, tellig her she was wrong. Is it possible that that also is what contrbutes to your liking of S&M? Granted, I still dont know a great deal about you, but it does seem possible. What sayest thou? :) Date: Saturday, July 5, 1997 10:43am Forum: Xrated From: Sam Beckett Msg#: 738637 To: Tempest Re: Dr Pax likes to eat pussy (Reply to #738581, Reply to #738551, Reply to #738544, R*) (1 reply) TE>SB>Um.. TE>SB> I am glad to hear that your shrink has good insight and ideas. :) TE>SB>I didnt mean to put the person down, it's just been my experience that a TE>SB>lot of people who are counselors dont always have a very kind manner to TE>SB>them. No offense intended to yours. TE>IMHO a counselor does not necessarily have to have a very kind manner to TE>be a good counselor. It's sort of like "tough love" I guess. When I was TE>in high school, I was falling apart, and I had two counselors there who TE>both had very rough, sarcastic personalities, and they were wonderful, TE>they practically saved my life. I didnt mean to imply that a counselor needed to be akin to Barney in that they never said anything that may upset you. I was referring, unfairly I guess, to a person I knew who had a 2 year degree in psychology and used to run a "counseling corner" on his BBS at home. His answers were so pat, so unfeeling that he sounded like a computer--he just took in data and regurgitated an answer. That was what I was driving at--not that that you canot be "tough" but that you need, above all, to be FEELING. Compassion, love for people, a true desire to help and to better things; that is what I meant to imply. I apologize for the vagueness of my previous post--like I said, what I was thinking of(the person I remembered) was someone you had no knowledge of. :) Hope this cleared it up a bit. _Take care! :) Date: Saturday, July 5, 1997 10:45am Forum: Xrated From: Sam Beckett Msg#: 738638 To: Vida Re: Dr Pax likes to eat pussy (Reply to #738614, Reply to #738551, Reply to #738544, R*) (1 reply) VI>SB>Um.. VI>SB> I am glad to hear that your shrink has good insight and ideas. :) VI>SB>I didnt mean to put the person down, it's just been my experience that a VI>SB>lot of people who are counselors dont always have a very kind manner to VI>SB>them. No offense intended to yours. VI>SB> Also, I was just making a statement that you didnt need to be a VI>SB>sicko to enjoy S & M. I never meant to imply that you had said that, so VI>SB>if it sounded that way, again I apologize. VI>SB> As for the lesbian girlfriend...well..I guess I am out of luck on VI>SB>that score. :) VI>I don't know what your situation is now. But there's always next time. VI> :) Hmmm...surprisingly enough, I have been told that I am somewhat skilled with my ability, but I dont know if I am worthy of the "hoonorary giraffe" title. :) I'll remember this, however, should I ever be looking for a girlfriend in the future. :) Date: Saturday, July 5, 1997 10:49am Forum: Xrated From: Sam Beckett Msg#: 738639 To: Vida Re: Dr Pax likes to eat pussy (Reply to #738615, Reply to #738577, Reply to #738492, R*) (1 reply) VI>TE>VVI>TE>VI>Now you sound like my shrink. This is something she is always VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>into my head. :) VI>TE>VI>TE>Hey, she's right! :) VI>TE>VI>I know, I know!!!! It is still very hard for me to escape from this VI>TE>VI>character defect of mine. VI>TE>VI> VI>TE>Oh, don't think of it as a defect! Think of it as a quirk :) VI>To the extent it causes me trouble, it's more than a quirk. :) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>I still say the manner in which you express yourself VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>EVERYTHING about your socialization. :) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>I guess that means I was socialized by dominant masters VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>chains? :) I may be a plain ol' heterosexual but nothi VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>sexual expression is plain or typical in any sense >:) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>Well if you are into whips and chains than you are definit VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>into vanilla sex. :) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>See? Told ya :) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>You didn't have to do too much to convince me of this fact. :) VI>TE>VI>TE>Oh? Is it that obvious? :) VI>TE>VI>YUP!!!! :) :) VI>TE>Wow!!! What is it about me that makes it so obvious? I'm getting curious VI>TE>now! You can tell me, this is /xrated after all :) VI>Well, the last I heard you and Adam were lovers. And I can't imagine VI>that Adam would be into anything vanilla. :) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>I still stand by my statement that your sexual preferences VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>socialization, btw. :) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>So what is it about my socialization that could have possibly VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>get into whips, chains, S&M, domination/submission, etc.? VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>How should I know? I don't know anything about your childhood, VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>family life or your personal history. VI>TE>VI>TE>Well, what is it that commonly gets people into this stuff? VI>TE>VI>I think that S & M is an attempt to resolve some childhood trauma or VI>TE>VI>abuse. VI>TE>On the part of the Dom or on the part of the Sub? Or both? VI>Both. VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>I doubt that, S&M and B&D is actually getting rather mainstre VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>(unfortunately!) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>Why do you say it is unfortunate that B& D is getting mainstream VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>thought you said you were into whips and chains? VI>TE>VI>TE>I am. But things in general are much more fun when they are not VI>TE>VI>TE>mainstream. It makes me roll my eyes every time I get into somethin VI>TE>VI>TE>and a few years later everyone else is into it too! Ugh. VI>TE>VI>ROFTL! VI>TE>VI>Look at it this way, usually when that's the case it is because it is VI>TE>VI>"trendy" or chick to do so. The thing with trends is that they only VI>TE>VI>last for a few years. And after the trend ends then it is no longer VI>TE>VI>fashionable to engage in the activity in question. VI>TE>VI>So my advice to you is simply ride out the trend. You were doing it VI>TE>VI>before it was trendy. And you will probably be doing it after it was VI>TE>VI>trendy. :) VI>TE>Very good point! I feel better. :) Thanks for the advice! VI>Glad to help. :) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>I don't agree with you that S & M and B & D is mainstream, BTW. VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>think this is still 'fringe' sexuality. VI>TE>VI>TE>No, it's mainstream. Every freakin magazine I pick up has stuff in VI>TE>VI>TE>about S&M, or ads in it for the S&M clubs, etc. It's become a fad. VI>TE>VI>Maybe every magazine you pick up. Not every magazine I pick up, by an VI>TE>VI>stretch of the imagination. VI>TE>Well, not "every" I was exaggerating. :) But a great deal, MUCH more so VI>TE>than in the past! Just go to Tower Books, there's a whole section of VI>TE>magazines about S&M related stuff! Then again, I am speaking out of VI>TE>context of NYC, it's definately trendy in this city but I suppose it VI>TE>is probably considered weird/bad/whatever out in the boondocks. VI>I am sure that if I went to Tower Books I would probably pass the S & M VI>section without giving it another look. But I think that you are VI>correct that especially in the "downtown" scene that there is a certain VI>S & Mish trendiness. VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>My current hetersexuality is anything BUT mandatory! VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Neither is mine! I'm not heterosexual because I HAVE to VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>heterosexual because I like men! (Why? I have no clue! VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>I don't like men, I just like Bob. :) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Hmm, is there something about Bob in particular that we don't VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>Yeah, he likes to eat pussy. And he is very, very good at it. : VI>TE>VI>TE>Well, he is not the only man in the world who's good at eating puss VI>TE>VI>TE>believe me! >:) But good for you, having a significant other who e VI>TE>VI>TE>pussy real well is definately a great thing to have :) VI>TE>VI>For me, I couldn't be with a lover who didn't like to eat pussy! :) VI>TE>Same here! Pussy-eating is mandatory! :) VI>I can't imagine any female NOT making it mandatory! :) :) :) VI>TE>VI>And I do think that Bob is unusually adept at eating pussy for a man. VI>TE>VI>That's why I have labeled him a "honorary girafee". VI>TE>"For a man" I like that. :) How many men have eaten your pussy, though? VI>TE>I only had one woman eat my pussy before, and she was pretty damn good VI>TE>but I've had men that were better. I oughtta find some more women to eat VI>TE>it for comparison :) VI>Well, before Bob I hadn't been with a man for over 15 years. I had sex VI>with men when I was in college and law school but not since that time. VI>And my memory was that the men I was with just wanted to fuck. VI>Anything other than vaginal intercourse was considered "foreplay" by VI>these men. And yeah, if you want to have your pussy eaten well, find a VI>lesbian. :) VI> VI>TE>The really good thing about that experience was, though, that I told my VI>TE>ex that this girl was better at eating pussy than he was, and that made VI>TE>him try harder >:) VI>TE>VI>A girafee is a lesbian code word for lesbian. Girafees have the VI>TE>VI>longest tongues you see. :) VI>TE>So is a girafee a lesbian, or a lesbian with a long tongue? Or do all VI>TE>lesbians have long tongues? :) VI>A girafee is a lesbian. And lesbians don't necesarily have long VI>tontues. They just know how to use their tongues well. :) I have to admit that I, too, chuckled over the "for a man" line. I feel constrained to point out that I disagree with the idea put forth that if you want your pussy eaten well, find a lesbian. I have not exactly had a plethora of female lovers, but those I have had have told me that I happen to eat pussy quite well, thank you, even if I am a heterosexual male. :) You know, I usually am not so blunt. But I felt I had to be. :) Take care! :) Date: Saturday, July 5, 1997 5:11pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 738643 To: Sam Beckett Re: Dr Pax likes to eat pussy (Reply to #738638, Reply to #738614, Reply to #738551, R*) (1 reply) SB>VI>SB>Um.. SB>VI>SB> I am glad to hear that your shrink has good insight and ideas. SB>VI>SB>I didnt mean to put the person down, it's just been my experience that SB>VI>SB>lot of people who are counselors dont always have a very kind manner t SB>VI>SB>them. No offense intended to yours. SB>VI>SB> Also, I was just making a statement that you didnt need to be a SB>VI>SB>sicko to enjoy S & M. I never meant to imply that you had said that, s SB>VI>SB>if it sounded that way, again I apologize. SB>VI>SB> As for the lesbian girlfriend...well..I guess I am out of luck SB>VI>SB>that score. :) SB>VI>I don't know what your situation is now. But there's always next time. SB>VI> :) SB>Hmmm...surprisingly enough, I have been told that I am somewhat skilled SB>with my ability, but I dont know if I am worthy of the "hoonorary SB>giraffe" title. :) I'll remember this, however, should I ever be looking SB>for a girlfriend in the future. :) Just remember, many feel called, few are chosen. :) Date: Saturday, July 5, 1997 5:15pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 738644 To: Sam Beckett Re: Dr Pax likes to eat pussy (Reply to #738639, Reply to #738615, Reply to #738577, R*) (2 replies) (Previous exchanges ommitted) SB>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>I don't like men, I just like Bob. :) SB>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Hmm, is there something about Bob in particular that we do SB>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>Yeah, he likes to eat pussy. And he is very, very good at it SB>VI>TE>VI>TE>Well, he is not the only man in the world who's good at eating p SB>VI>TE>VI>TE>believe me! >:) But good for you, having a significant other wh SB>VI>TE>VI>TE>pussy real well is definately a great thing to have :) SB>VI>TE>VI>For me, I couldn't be with a lover who didn't like to eat pussy! : SB>VI>TE>Same here! Pussy-eating is mandatory! :) SB>VI>I can't imagine any female NOT making it mandatory! :) :) :) SB>VI>TE>VI>And I do think that Bob is unusually adept at eating pussy for a ma SB>VI>TE>VI>That's why I have labeled him a "honorary girafee". SB>VI>TE>"For a man" I like that. :) How many men have eaten your pussy, thoug SB>VI>TE>I only had one woman eat my pussy before, and she was pretty damn good SB>VI>TE>but I've had men that were better. I oughtta find some more women to e SB>VI>TE>it for comparison :) SB>VI>Well, before Bob I hadn't been with a man for over 15 years. I had sex SB>VI>with men when I was in college and law school but not since that time. SB>VI>And my memory was that the men I was with just wanted to fuck. SB>VI>Anything other than vaginal intercourse was considered "foreplay" by SB>VI>these men. And yeah, if you want to have your pussy eaten well, find a SB>VI>lesbian. :) SB>VI> SB>VI>TE>The really good thing about that experience was, though, that I told m SB>VI>TE>ex that this girl was better at eating pussy than he was, and that mad SB>VI>TE>him try harder >:) SB>VI>TE>VI>A girafee is a lesbian code word for lesbian. Girafees have the SB>VI>TE>VI>longest tongues you see. :) SB>VI>TE>So is a girafee a lesbian, or a lesbian with a long tongue? Or do all SB>VI>TE>lesbians have long tongues? :) SB>VI>A girafee is a lesbian. And lesbians don't necesarily have long SB>VI>tontues. They just know how to use their tongues well. :) SB> I have to admit that I, too, chuckled over the "for a man" line. SB>I feel constrained to point out that I disagree with the idea put forth SB>that if you want your pussy eaten well, find a lesbian. I have not SB>exactly had a plethora of female lovers, but those I have had have told SB>me that I happen to eat pussy quite well, thank you, even if I am a SB>heterosexual male. :) SB> You know, I usually am not so blunt. But I felt I had to be. :) SB> Take care! :) Then you are the exception that proves the rule, my friend. :) Date: Saturday, July 5, 1997 9:35pm Forum: Xrated From: Sam Beckett Msg#: 738645 To: Vida Re: Dr Pax likes to eat pussy (Reply to #738644, Reply to #738639, Reply to #738615, R*) (1 reply) The exception that proves the rule? :) I hope that is a compliment. Date: Saturday, July 5, 1997 10:21pm Forum: Xrated From: Sam Beckett Msg#: 738646 To: Vida Re: Dr Pax likes to eat pussy (Reply to #738643, Reply to #738638, Reply to #738614, R*) (1 reply) Ahh..thats ok. I wouldnt want to imply that I would try to find a lesbian GF just to demonstrate my ability. That would be extremely petty, and that is not one of my traits. :) Still...it is a FASCINATING idea. :) Date: Sunday, July 6, 1997 9:12am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 738648 To: Sam Beckett Re: Dr Pax likes to eat pussy (Reply to #738645, Reply to #738644, Reply to #738639, R*) (1 reply) SB>The exception that proves the rule? :) I hope that is a compliment. Absolutely. :) Date: Sunday, July 6, 1997 9:13am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 738649 To: Sam Beckett Re: Dr Pax likes to eat pussy (Reply to #738646, Reply to #738643, Reply to #738638, R*) (1 reply) SB>Ahh..thats ok. I wouldnt want to imply that I would try to find a SB>lesbian GF just to demonstrate my ability. That would be extremely SB>petty, and that is not one of my traits. :) Still...it is a FASCINATING SB>idea. :) Believe me, if you did try to do so, it would never, ever work! :) Date: Sunday, July 6, 1997 11:25am Forum: Xrated From: Sam Beckett Msg#: 738651 To: Vida Re: Dr Pax likes to eat pussy (Reply to #738648, Reply to #738645, Reply to #738644, R*) (1 reply) VI>SB>The exception that proves the rule? :) I hope that is a compliment. VI>Absolutely. :) Thank you. I have to confess that I had never recalled having heard the saying before, and I wanted to make sure. :) However, again I say Thank you for the compliment. :) You seem like a person who has a decent head on your shoulders, so I doubly take it as a compliment. Date: Sunday, July 6, 1997 11:26am Forum: Xrated From: Sam Beckett Msg#: 738652 To: Vida Re: Dr Pax likes to eat pussy (Reply to #738649, Reply to #738646, Reply to #738643, R*) (1 reply) VI>SB>Ahh..thats ok. I wouldnt want to imply that I would try to find a VI>SB>lesbian GF just to demonstrate my ability. That would be extremely VI>SB>petty, and that is not one of my traits. :) Still...it is a FASCINATING VI>SB>idea. :) VI>Believe me, if you did try to do so, it would never, ever work! :) Exactly. I have found that relationships based on so primal a desire never DO work. :) Glad to know someone else feels the same way that I do. Date: Sunday, July 6, 1997 1:46pm Forum: Xrated From: Steve C Msg#: 738682 To: Sam Beckett Re: Technique (Reply to #738139) (1 reply) SB>This is going to sound odd, but here goes. :) SB> I dont profess to be the world's greatest lover, nor do I go SB>around beating my chest, saying how good I am in bed. But I do have one SB>question, and I guess it would go primarily to the ladies who may read SB>this. Is it just me, or do most men today, especially younger guys, seem SB>to not know idea 1 about how to really please their partner? I mean, is SB>it just a lack of caring, a lack of technique, or what is the story? SB> The few encounters I have had with women in my 26 years always SB>seem to begin the same way--the discussion which starts with them being SB>surprised that I actually care enough to take time to please the person SB>I am with. Like I said, I am not blowing my own horn, but it really SB>confuses me to an extent. I would hate to think that we are becoming a SB>society where it's ok to just "do" the person you are with and that's SB>that. What sayest all of ye? :) I know you directed this toward the ladies, but I had to jump in. I think you have the right idea in wanting to please your partner. I actually feel I am letting my partner down if she doesn't have at least as much pleasure as I do from an encounter. Too bad most guys don't follow that philosophy. * OLX 2.1 TD * **/ \*=Tribbles in a sword fight. Date: Sunday, July 6, 1997 1:46pm Forum: Xrated From: Steve C Msg#: 738683 To: Sam Beckett Re: COULD SOMEBODY GET ME A LITTLE HELP HERE . (Reply to #738191, Reply to #738164) SB>LarryT: SB> For the unzipping part, there are two programs I use-- SB> One is WinZip 95, which is designed for Windows 95, and the other SB>is PKZIP, which is part of the PKWARE package. I know we have WinZip SB>here, but I am not sure about the PKWARE. If we dont have it, mail me SB>and I'll upload it.! SB> As for the young lady part, well....I cant help you beyond SB>this--be yourself and be honest. You may not attract as MANY young SB>ladies, but the one's you attract will probably be more sincere and SB>better quality, too. :) I like your style. :) * OLX 2.1 TD * Egyptian tourists don't die -- they go senile. - Jean D. Date: Sunday, July 6, 1997 1:56pm Forum: Xrated From: Sam Beckett Msg#: 738684 To: Steve C Re: Technique (Reply to #738682, Reply to #738139) SC>SB>This is going to sound odd, but here goes. :) SC>SB> I dont profess to be the world's greatest lover, nor do I go SC>SB>around beating my chest, saying how good I am in bed. But I do have one SC>SB>question, and I guess it would go primarily to the ladies who may read SC>SB>this. Is it just me, or do most men today, especially younger guys, seem SC>SB>to not know idea 1 about how to really please their partner? I mean, is SC>SB>it just a lack of caring, a lack of technique, or what is the story? SC>SB> The few encounters I have had with women in my 26 years always SC>SB>seem to begin the same way--the discussion which starts with them being SC>SB>surprised that I actually care enough to take time to please the person SC>SB>I am with. Like I said, I am not blowing my own horn, but it really SC>SB>confuses me to an extent. I would hate to think that we are becoming a SC>SB>society where it's ok to just "do" the person you are with and that's SC>SB>that. What sayest all of ye? :) SC>I know you directed this toward the ladies, but I had to jump in. SC>I think you have the right idea in wanting to please your partner. I SC>actually feel I am letting my partner down if she doesn't have at least SC>as much pleasure as I do from an encounter. Too bad most guys don't SC>follow that philosophy. SC> * OLX 2.1 TD * **/ \*=Tribbles in a sword fight. Yes! A most excellent response. Although the letter was directed toward the ladies primarily, I was hoping I would get some input from the men who read it too, so your answer was most welcome. I, too, agree with this philosophy, and am always somewhat surprised when I speak to a woman who says that her boyfriend/past lovers havent satisfied her. I always wonder what the hell these guys must be thinking of! :) Date: Sunday, July 6, 1997 4:53pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 738708 To: Sam Beckett Re: Dr Pax likes to eat pussy (Reply to #738651, Reply to #738648, Reply to #738645, R*) (1 reply) SB>VI>SB>The exception that proves the rule? :) I hope that is a compliment. SB>VI>Absolutely. :) SB>Thank you. I have to confess that I had never recalled having heard the SB>saying before, and I wanted to make sure. :) However, again I say Thank SB>you for the compliment. :) You seem like a person who has a decent head SB>on your shoulders, so I doubly take it as a compliment. Decent head? That's open to debate? :) Date: Sunday, July 6, 1997 4:55pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 738709 To: Sam Beckett Re: Dr Pax likes to eat pussy (Reply to #738652, Reply to #738649, Reply to #738646, R*) (2 replies) SB>VI>SB>Ahh..thats ok. I wouldnt want to imply that I would try to find a SB>VI>SB>lesbian GF just to demonstrate my ability. That would be extremely SB>VI>SB>petty, and that is not one of my traits. :) Still...it is a FASCINATIN SB>VI>SB>idea. :) SB>VI>Believe me, if you did try to do so, it would never, ever work! :) SB>Exactly. I have found that relationships based on so primal a desire SB>never DO work. :) Glad to know someone else feels the same way that I SB>do. The desire to get involved in a realtionship because of a person's sexuality is just the opposite of a primal desire, IMHO. Which is why it would never work. In my case I got involved with Bob DESPITE the fact that he was a male. :) Date: Monday, July 7, 1997 6:16pm Forum: Xrated From: Sam Beckett Msg#: 738745 To: Vida Re: Dr Pax likes to eat pussy (Reply to #738709, Reply to #738652, Reply to #738649, R*) (1 reply) I understand your point. However, I do have one question. What in the world does IMHO mean, anyway? :) Date: Monday, July 7, 1997 6:41pm Forum: Xrated From: Steve C Msg#: 738753 To: Vida Re: Dr Pax likes to eat pussy (Reply to #738708, Reply to #738651, Reply to #738648, R*) (1 reply) VI>SB>VI>SB>The exception that proves the rule? :) I hope that is a compliment. VI>SB>VI>Absolutely. :) VI>SB>Thank you. I have to confess that I had never recalled having heard the VI>SB>saying before, and I wanted to make sure. :) However, again I say Thank VI>SB>you for the compliment. :) You seem like a person who has a decent head VI>SB>on your shoulders, so I doubly take it as a compliment. VI>Decent head? That's open to debate? :) I'll take his side on that one. :) --- þ OLX 2.1 TD þ #30-3771: Grow up? Naw, I'm gonna be a Sysop. Date: Monday, July 7, 1997 9:23pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 738758 To: Sam Beckett Re: Dr Pax likes to eat pussy (Reply to #738745, Reply to #738709, Reply to #738652, R*) SB>I understand your point. However, I do have one question. What in the SB>world does IMHO mean, anyway? :) IMHO = In my humble opinion. :) Date: Monday, July 7, 1997 9:23pm Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 738759 To: Steve C Re: Dr Pax likes to eat pussy (Reply to #738753, Reply to #738708, Reply to #738651, R*) (3 replies) SC>VI>SB>VI>SB>The exception that proves the rule? :) I hope that is a complime SC>VI>SB>VI>Absolutely. :) SC>VI>SB>Thank you. I have to confess that I had never recalled having heard th SC>VI>SB>saying before, and I wanted to make sure. :) However, again I say Than SC>VI>SB>you for the compliment. :) You seem like a person who has a decent hea SC>VI>SB>on your shoulders, so I doubly take it as a compliment. SC>VI>Decent head? That's open to debate? :) SC>I'll take his side on that one. :) SC>--- Boy, with all these compliments I'm going to end up with a swollen head. :) Date: Tuesday, July 8, 1997 12:43pm Forum: Xrated From: Steve C Msg#: 738773 To: Vida Re: Dr Pax likes to eat pussy (Reply to #738759, Reply to #738753, Reply to #738708, R*) (1 reply) SB>Thank you. I have to confess that I had never recalled having heard SB>saying before, and I wanted to make sure. :) However, again I say T SB>you for the compliment. :) You seem like a person who has a decent SB>on your shoulders, so I doubly take it as a compliment. VI>Decent head? That's open to debate? :) SC>I'll take his side on that one. :) SC>--- VI>Boy, with all these compliments I'm going to end up with a swollen VI>head. :) I just call em as I see em :) --- þ OLX 2.1 TD þ "Cap'n, there be whales here!" "That's a mirror, Scotty." Date: Tuesday, July 8, 1997 7:20pm Forum: Xrated From: Nightbird Msg#: 738788 To: Vida Re: Dr Pax likes to eat pussy (Reply to #738759, Reply to #738753, Reply to #738708, R*) VI>SC>VI>SB>VI>SB>The exception that proves the rule? :) I hope that is a compl VI>SC>VI>SB>VI>Absolutely. :) VI>SC>VI>SB>Thank you. I have to confess that I had never recalled having heard VI>SC>VI>SB>saying before, and I wanted to make sure. :) However, again I say T VI>SC>VI>SB>you for the compliment. :) You seem like a person who has a decent VI>SC>VI>SB>on your shoulders, so I doubly take it as a compliment. VI>SC>VI>Decent head? That's open to debate? :) VI>SC>I'll take his side on that one. :) VI>SC>--- VI>Boy, with all these compliments I'm going to end up with a swollen VI>head. :) Enjoy it!!! Lord know I enjoy when someone compliments me!!! * OLX 2.1 TD * _'m st_p_d Can I buy an "O",Pat? Date: Wednesday, July 9, 1997 6:22am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 738798 To: Steve C Re: Dr Pax likes to eat pussy (Reply to #738773, Reply to #738759, Reply to #738753, R*) SC>SB>Thank you. I have to confess that I had never recalled having heard SC>SB>saying before, and I wanted to make sure. :) However, again I say T SC>SB>you for the compliment. :) You seem like a person who has a decent SC>SB>on your shoulders, so I doubly take it as a compliment. SC>VI>Decent head? That's open to debate? :) SC>SC>I'll take his side on that one. :) SC>SC>--- SC>VI>Boy, with all these compliments I'm going to end up with a swollen SC>VI>head. :) SC>I just call em as I see em :) SC>--- Thank you. :) Date: Monday, July 21, 1997 2:16am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 739445 To: Vida Re: Dr Pax likes to eat pussy (Reply to #738615, Reply to #738577, Reply to #738492, R*) (1 reply) VI>TE>VVI>TE>VI>Now you sound like my shrink. This is something she is always VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>into my head. :) VI>TE>VI>TE>Hey, she's right! :) VI>TE>VI>I know, I know!!!! It is still very hard for me to escape from this VI>TE>VI>character defect of mine. VI>TE>VI> VI>TE>Oh, don't think of it as a defect! Think of it as a quirk :) VI>To the extent it causes me trouble, it's more than a quirk. :) Quirks generally do tend to cause trouble! VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>Well if you are into whips and chains than you are definit VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>into vanilla sex. :) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>See? Told ya :) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>You didn't have to do too much to convince me of this fact. :) VI>TE>VI>TE>Oh? Is it that obvious? :) VI>TE>VI>YUP!!!! :) :) VI>TE>Wow!!! What is it about me that makes it so obvious? I'm getting curious VI>TE>now! You can tell me, this is /xrated after all :) VI>Well, the last I heard you and Adam were lovers. And I can't imagine VI>that Adam would be into anything vanilla. :) ROTFL!!! Such a reputation he's earned himself, I'm proud of him :) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>I still stand by my statement that your sexual preferences VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>socialization, btw. :) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>So what is it about my socialization that could have possibly VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>get into whips, chains, S&M, domination/submission, etc.? VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>How should I know? I don't know anything about your childhood, VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>family life or your personal history. VI>TE>VI>TE>Well, what is it that commonly gets people into this stuff? VI>TE>VI>I think that S & M is an attempt to resolve some childhood trauma or VI>TE>VI>abuse. VI>TE>On the part of the Dom or on the part of the Sub? Or both? VI>Both. Hmmm... I suppose it's possible... I wish I had means to survey a bunch of Doms and Subs and see what the frequency of childhood trauma/abuse is, see how much that has to do with it... VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>I don't agree with you that S & M and B & D is mainstream, BTW. VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>think this is still 'fringe' sexuality. VI>TE>VI>TE>No, it's mainstream. Every freakin magazine I pick up has stuff in VI>TE>VI>TE>about S&M, or ads in it for the S&M clubs, etc. It's become a fad. VI>TE>VI>Maybe every magazine you pick up. Not every magazine I pick up, by an VI>TE>VI>stretch of the imagination. VI>TE>Well, not "every" I was exaggerating. :) But a great deal, MUCH more so VI>TE>than in the past! Just go to Tower Books, there's a whole section of VI>TE>magazines about S&M related stuff! Then again, I am speaking out of VI>TE>context of NYC, it's definately trendy in this city but I suppose it VI>TE>is probably considered weird/bad/whatever out in the boondocks. VI>I am sure that if I went to Tower Books I would probably pass the S & M VI>section without giving it another look. But I think that you are VI>correct that especially in the "downtown" scene that there is a certain VI>S & Mish trendiness. In the dowtown scene, definately!!! The problem with me is that I have never really bothered to leave NYC too often, so my context is so NYC-confined that I tend to forget that other places are nothing at all like here :) VI>TE>VI>TE>Well, he is not the only man in the world who's good at eating puss VI>TE>VI>TE>believe me! >:) But good for you, having a significant other who e VI>TE>VI>TE>pussy real well is definately a great thing to have :) VI>TE>VI>For me, I couldn't be with a lover who didn't like to eat pussy! :) VI>TE>Same here! Pussy-eating is mandatory! :) VI>I can't imagine any female NOT making it mandatory! :) :) :) Good point :) VI>TE>VI>And I do think that Bob is unusually adept at eating pussy for a man. VI>TE>VI>That's why I have labeled him a "honorary girafee". VI>TE>"For a man" I like that. :) How many men have eaten your pussy, though? VI>TE>I only had one woman eat my pussy before, and she was pretty damn good VI>TE>but I've had men that were better. I oughtta find some more women to eat VI>TE>it for comparison :) VI>Well, before Bob I hadn't been with a man for over 15 years. I had sex VI>with men when I was in college and law school but not since that time. VI>And my memory was that the men I was with just wanted to fuck. VI>Anything other than vaginal intercourse was considered "foreplay" by VI>these men. And yeah, if you want to have your pussy eaten well, find a VI>lesbian. :) To tell you the truth, it sounds like you've had really rotten luck with men, then. Not all men are just out to fuck. I've had men that only wanted to fuck, and I've had other men that were interested in much more than that. I've been with some men who REALLY LIKE to eat pussy, and other stuff besides regular intercourse. And the ones who really like to do that tend to be really damn good at it!! VI> VI>TE>The really good thing about that experience was, though, that I told my VI>TE>ex that this girl was better at eating pussy than he was, and that made VI>TE>him try harder >:) VI>TE>VI>A girafee is a lesbian code word for lesbian. Girafees have the VI>TE>VI>longest tongues you see. :) VI>TE>So is a girafee a lesbian, or a lesbian with a long tongue? Or do all VI>TE>lesbians have long tongues? :) VI>A girafee is a lesbian. And lesbians don't necesarily have long VI>tontues. They just know how to use their tongues well. :) So I've heard :) Date: Monday, July 21, 1997 2:26am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 739446 To: Vida Re: 58y (Reply to #738616, Reply to #738578, Reply to #738493, R*) (1 reply) VVI>TE>VI>TE>Not so! We know that we have to work to keep ourselves alive becaus VI>TE>VI>TE>is OBVIOUS, not because of socialization. If we didn't do this the VI>TE>VI>TE>"socialized" way (i.e. work to make money to buy food), we'd have t VI>TE>VI>TE>work anyway, like grow plants to eat or hunt animals or whatever. T VI>TE>VI>TE>is simply no way of staying alive without putting in some effort, a VI>TE>VI>TE>that has nothing to do with socialization. VI>TE>VI>It is not obvious at all that you have to work to eat. It is 100% pur VI>TE>VI>socialization that teaches us this. VI>TE>Not obvious? If socialization didn't teach you that you have to work to VI>TE>eat, then what would you do, just lie there and wait for the food to VI>TE>jump in your mouth by itself? VI>Absoultely!!!! Or more precisely, you want just lie in bed and wait VI>for someone to feed you and provide you with all your needs. No way, that's crazy! You would lie in bed waiting for a couple of days, and then when the hunger pangs hit badly enough you would go out and get your own food! Surely you don't think that if it weren't for socialization, people would lie there like slugs and starve to death waiting for someone to feed them?! VI>TE>VI>TE>Hey, I'm not speaking for myself! I desire sex pretty damn often my VI>TE>VI>TE>I'm speaking for most other people I have come across, though! If y VI>TE>VI>TE>ask around, most people really don't want sex every single day. VI>TE>VI>OH, really! I do! :) :) :) :) VI>TE>Wow! :) Well that is very unique. I don't even want sex THAT often, I VI>TE>only want it, say, about 3 times a week, and Adam says that I'm the VI>TE>horniest woman he's ever been with by far! VI>I can just about have sex at the drop of the hat...so I guess that VI>makes me even hornier than you. :) Well, I can have sex at the drop of a hat, I mean, I never refuse it! :) But I don't have the drive to do it every single day, I don't get REALLY desparate for it until at least a week goes by! And that's more of a drive than most people have right there. VI>TE>VI>Not automatically. VI>TE>VI>I just assume socialization is the reason until proven otherwise. I VI>TE>VI>think that socialization serves the pivotal role in fashioning who we VI>TE>VI>are as human beings---our likes, our dislikes, our culture. VI>TE>Well then we have a fundamental difference in theory, cause I attribute VI>TE>most of this to genetics. It's the ol' nature vs. nurture debate! VI>That's exactly what is! We two fall on the opposite spectrums of the VI>nature vs. nurture debate. :) We sure do! And it's a tough debate to argue on either side, because at this point in time there are not enough facts to back up either side fully. VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>That's because that's our natural state. :) VI>TE>VI>TE>And why do you make that assumption? :) VI>TE>VI>From personal experience? :) VI>TE>Ahem can't argue that one :) VI>What else could it be? :) VI>Just keep in mind, there's a difference between my lusts and my VI>practice! :) You oughtta make it a practice to turn your lusts into practice :) Date: Monday, July 21, 1997 2:40am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 739447 To: Sam Beckett Re: Dr Pax likes to eat pussy (Reply to #738636, Reply to #738580, Reply to #738506, R*) (1 reply) SB> Hey, don't feel badly. Self analysis IS hard. Sometimes, though, SB>the only one we will be honest with is ourselves, as illogical as that SB>may sound. Still, it is difficult. Self-analysis is hard because it's purely subjective... and you never realize how warped a subjective viewpoint of yourself may be until you get someone else's objective input! SB> As for the S&M thing, I do have to admit that I still dont quite SB>understand it. Then again, I am making a decision based on my own SB>experiences, which are unique to me. I have never found pain of any SB>kind, save for one, (that of a woman's fingernails in my back, and no I SB>am not trying to be funny) to be stimulating. I have an observation, SB>though, and if this is totally wrong, please don't stone me. :) I SB>remember talking to one young lady who said that she liked aggressive, SB>ie, dominating men, so long as they weren't mean to her. I was curious, SB>and in talking some more, it turned out that the parents she had had, as SB>well as the "principles" that were given her made her think SB>subconsciously that sex was wrong;it couldnt be enjoyed, it was sinful, SB>all those things that well meaning parents will say to try and keep SB>their children from "making a mistake." Add to that the fact that as she SB>grew up she was possessed of a normal sexual appetite, and indulged it, SB>she felt guilt. So it turned out her liking of dominating men was SB>because inside, it absolved any guilt she felt because she felt she was SB>helpless, ie, had no control. It SB>also allowed her to feel good about having sex, as the guilt was no SB>longer there, tellig her she was wrong. Is it possible that that also is SB>what contrbutes to your liking of S&M? Granted, I still dont know a SB>great deal about you, but it does seem possible. What sayest thou? :) Well, the situation with this girl is nothing like that of mine! I too like aggressive, dominating men but not in such a way that they are mean; that's where the similarity ends though. My sexuality was never repressed; my parents were not of the "moral" type who tried to impress certain "sexual principles" on me; in fact, they were just the opposite. Well, my father stayed out of the whole thing, he never talked to me about sex one way or the other. My mom was very open with me about it, she never ever gave me any impression that it was wrong, answered all my questions, etc. She's very "sexually free" herself, she's like a 60's hippie mom :) and it rubbed off on me. The only time I've ever felt guilty about having sex was when I cheated on someone to do so; cheating always left me with really bad feelings of guilt. Other than that, sex has never made me feel guilty at all. Any other theories? :) Date: Monday, July 21, 1997 2:48am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 739448 To: Sam Beckett Re: Dr Pax likes to eat pussy (Reply to #738637, Reply to #738581, Reply to #738551, R*) (1 reply) SSB> I didnt mean to imply that a counselor needed to be akin to SB>Barney in that they never said anything that may upset you. I was SB>referring, unfairly I guess, to a person I knew who had a 2 year degree SB>in psychology and used to run a "counseling corner" on his BBS at home. SB>His answers were so pat, so unfeeling that he sounded like a SB>computer--he just took in data and regurgitated an answer. That was what SB>I was driving at--not that that you canot be "tough" but that you need, SB>above all, to be FEELING. Compassion, love for people, a true desire to SB>help and to better things; that is what I meant to imply. I apologize SB>for the vagueness of my previous post--like I said, what I was thinking SB>of(the person I remembered) was someone you had no knowledge of. :) Hope SB>this cleared it up a bit. _Take care! :) Okay, that clears it up! :) Actually, you say that this person ran a "counseling corner" on a BBS? Perhaps in that case it is indeed unfair to judge his responses, because it is really hard to convey emotion in typewritten words! That can't really be compared to a "live" counselor. However, I agree that counselors should generally be compassionate people. I've met quite a few of them, and actually, most of them did seem to be compassionate; I think that probably only those kind of people are even interested in that profession. Even psychology graduate students I knew from college - all except one were kind, feeling, and willing to help, even though they were not working as psychologists yet. There was only one who seemed rather cold; I hope she becomes warmer when she's done with school and does the real thing! Date: Monday, July 21, 1997 6:59am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 739451 To: Tempest Re: Dr Pax likes to eat pussy (Reply to #739445, Reply to #738615, Reply to #738577, R*) (1 reply) TE>VI>TE>VVI>TE>VI>Now you sound like my shrink. This is something she is alwa TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>into my head. :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Hey, she's right! :) TE>VI>TE>VI>I know, I know!!!! It is still very hard for me to escape from thi TE>VI>TE>VI>character defect of mine. TE>VI>TE>VI> TE>VI>TE>Oh, don't think of it as a defect! Think of it as a quirk :) TE>VI>To the extent it causes me trouble, it's more than a quirk. :) TE>Quirks generally do tend to cause trouble! Once they start causing trouble, they are more than quirks! :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>Well if you are into whips and chains than you are defi TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>into vanilla sex. :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>See? Told ya :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>You didn't have to do too much to convince me of this fact. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Oh? Is it that obvious? :) TE>VI>TE>VI>YUP!!!! :) :) TE>VI>TE>Wow!!! What is it about me that makes it so obvious? I'm getting curio TE>VI>TE>now! You can tell me, this is /xrated after all :) TE>VI>Well, the last I heard you and Adam were lovers. And I can't imagine TE>VI>that Adam would be into anything vanilla. :) TE>ROTFL!!! Such a reputation he's earned himself, I'm proud of him :) YUP! :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>I still stand by my statement that your sexual preferen TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>socialization, btw. :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>So what is it about my socialization that could have possi TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>get into whips, chains, S&M, domination/submission, etc.? TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>How should I know? I don't know anything about your childhoo TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>family life or your personal history. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Well, what is it that commonly gets people into this stuff? TE>VI>TE>VI>I think that S & M is an attempt to resolve some childhood trauma o TE>VI>TE>VI>abuse. TE>VI>TE>On the part of the Dom or on the part of the Sub? Or both? TE>VI>Both. TE>Hmmm... I suppose it's possible... I wish I had means to survey a bunch TE>of Doms and Subs and see what the frequency of childhood trauma/abuse TE>is, see how much that has to do with it... TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>I don't agree with you that S & M and B & D is mainstream, BT TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>think this is still 'fringe' sexuality. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>No, it's mainstream. Every freakin magazine I pick up has stuff TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>about S&M, or ads in it for the S&M clubs, etc. It's become a fa TE>VI>TE>VI>Maybe every magazine you pick up. Not every magazine I pick up, by TE>VI>TE>VI>stretch of the imagination. TE>VI>TE>Well, not "every" I was exaggerating. :) But a great deal, MUCH more TE>VI>TE>than in the past! Just go to Tower Books, there's a whole section of TE>VI>TE>magazines about S&M related stuff! Then again, I am speaking out of TE>VI>TE>context of NYC, it's definately trendy in this city but I suppose it TE>VI>TE>is probably considered weird/bad/whatever out in the boondocks. TE>VI>I am sure that if I went to Tower Books I would probably pass the S & M TE>VI>section without giving it another look. But I think that you are TE>VI>correct that especially in the "downtown" scene that there is a certain TE>VI>S & Mish trendiness. TE>In the dowtown scene, definately!!! The problem with me is that I have TE>never really bothered to leave NYC too often, so my context is so TE>NYC-confined that I tend to forget that other places are nothing at all TE>like here :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Well, he is not the only man in the world who's good at eating p TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>believe me! >:) But good for you, having a significant other wh TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>pussy real well is definately a great thing to have :) TE>VI>TE>VI>For me, I couldn't be with a lover who didn't like to eat pussy! : TE>VI>TE>Same here! Pussy-eating is mandatory! :) TE>VI>I can't imagine any female NOT making it mandatory! :) :) :) TE>Good point :) TE>VI>TE>VI>And I do think that Bob is unusually adept at eating pussy for a ma TE>VI>TE>VI>That's why I have labeled him a "honorary girafee". TE>VI>TE>"For a man" I like that. :) How many men have eaten your pussy, thoug TE>VI>TE>I only had one woman eat my pussy before, and she was pretty damn good TE>VI>TE>but I've had men that were better. I oughtta find some more women to e TE>VI>TE>it for comparison :) TE>VI>Well, before Bob I hadn't been with a man for over 15 years. I had sex TE>VI>with men when I was in college and law school but not since that time. TE>VI>And my memory was that the men I was with just wanted to fuck. TE>VI>Anything other than vaginal intercourse was considered "foreplay" by TE>VI>these men. And yeah, if you want to have your pussy eaten well, find a TE>VI>lesbian. :) TE>To tell you the truth, it sounds like you've had really rotten luck with TE>men, then. Not all men are just out to fuck. I've had men that only TE>wanted to fuck, and I've had other men that were interested in much more TE>than that. I've been with some men who REALLY LIKE to eat pussy, and TE>other stuff besides regular intercourse. And the ones who really like to TE>do that tend to be really damn good at it!! TE>VI> TE>VI>TE>The really good thing about that experience was, though, that I told m TE>VI>TE>ex that this girl was better at eating pussy than he was, and that mad TE>VI>TE>him try harder >:) TE>VI>TE>VI>A girafee is a lesbian code word for lesbian. Girafees have the TE>VI>TE>VI>longest tongues you see. :) TE>VI>TE>So is a girafee a lesbian, or a lesbian with a long tongue? Or do all TE>VI>TE>lesbians have long tongues? :) TE>VI>A girafee is a lesbian. And lesbians don't necesarily have long TE>VI>tontues. They just know how to use their tongues well. :) TE>So I've heard :) Date: Monday, July 21, 1997 7:02am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 739452 To: Tempest Re: 58y (Reply to #739446, Reply to #738616, Reply to #738578, R*) (2 replies) TE>VVI>TE>VI>TE>Not so! We know that we have to work to keep ourselves alive be TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>is OBVIOUS, not because of socialization. If we didn't do this t TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>"socialized" way (i.e. work to make money to buy food), we'd hav TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>work anyway, like grow plants to eat or hunt animals or whatever TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>is simply no way of staying alive without putting in some effort TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>that has nothing to do with socialization. TE>VI>TE>VI>It is not obvious at all that you have to work to eat. It is 100% TE>VI>TE>VI>socialization that teaches us this. TE>VI>TE>Not obvious? If socialization didn't teach you that you have to work t TE>VI>TE>eat, then what would you do, just lie there and wait for the food to TE>VI>TE>jump in your mouth by itself? TE>VI>Absoultely!!!! Or more precisely, you want just lie in bed and wait TE>VI>for someone to feed you and provide you with all your needs. TE>No way, that's crazy! You would lie in bed waiting for a couple of days, TE>and then when the hunger pangs hit badly enough you would go out and get TE>your own food! Surely you don't think that if it weren't for TE>socialization, people would lie there like slugs and starve to death TE>waiting for someone to feed them?! TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Hey, I'm not speaking for myself! I desire sex pretty damn often TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>I'm speaking for most other people I have come across, though! I TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>ask around, most people really don't want sex every single day. TE>VI>TE>VI>OH, really! I do! :) :) :) :) TE>VI>TE>Wow! :) Well that is very unique. I don't even want sex THAT often, I TE>VI>TE>only want it, say, about 3 times a week, and Adam says that I'm the TE>VI>TE>horniest woman he's ever been with by far! TE>VI>I can just about have sex at the drop of the hat...so I guess that TE>VI>makes me even hornier than you. :) TE>Well, I can have sex at the drop of a hat, I mean, I never refuse it! :) TE>But I don't have the drive to do it every single day, I don't get REALLY TE>desparate for it until at least a week goes by! And that's more of a TE>drive than most people have right there. You seem to think the alternatives for people are to work or to eat. Not necessarily so. There are ways to get food without working...ie. soup kitchens. TE>VI>TE>VI>Not automatically. TE>VI>TE>VI>I just assume socialization is the reason until proven otherwise. TE>VI>TE>VI>think that socialization serves the pivotal role in fashioning who TE>VI>TE>VI>are as human beings---our likes, our dislikes, our culture. TE>VI>TE>Well then we have a fundamental difference in theory, cause I attribut TE>VI>TE>most of this to genetics. It's the ol' nature vs. nurture debate! TE>VI>That's exactly what is! We two fall on the opposite spectrums of the TE>VI>nature vs. nurture debate. :) TE>We sure do! And it's a tough debate to argue on either side, because at TE>this point in time there are not enough facts to back up either side TE>fully. Facts! Who needs stinking facts to argue? :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>That's because that's our natural state. :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>And why do you make that assumption? :) TE>VI>TE>VI>From personal experience? :) TE>VI>TE>Ahem can't argue that one :) TE>VI>What else could it be? :) TE>VI>Just keep in mind, there's a difference between my lusts and my TE>VI>practice! :) TE>You oughtta make it a practice to turn your lusts into practice :) I wouldn't want to do that. Fantasy is sometimes sweeter than reality. :) Date: Tuesday, July 22, 1997 11:22am Forum: Xrated From: Sam Beckett Msg#: 739534 To: Vida Re: 58y (Reply to #739452, Reply to #739446, Reply to #738616, R*) (2 replies) She should turn her lusts into reality? :) Now you KNOW i cant let THAt one pass. :) Isnt that what causes most of the problems in the world--people acting on their lusts? Date: Tuesday, July 22, 1997 11:25am Forum: Xrated From: Sam Beckett Msg#: 739535 To: Tempest Re: Dr Pax likes to eat pussy (Reply to #739448, Reply to #738637, Reply to #738581, R*) (1 reply) I am glad you agree that counselors should be friendly and compassionate. Perhaps I am biased to myself, but it seems that most either get jaundiced over time or allow people to fall into categories--which is the number one thing that counselors should AVOID doing--placing people into categories without knowing the individual. Perhaps that was what I was aiming at in speaking of the guy on the BBS--he seemed to just spit out diagnoses without really knowing the people he was speaking to. :) Date: Tuesday, July 22, 1997 11:25am Forum: Xrated From: Sam Beckett Msg#: 739536 To: Tempest Re: Dr Pax likes to eat pussy (Reply to #739447, Reply to #738636, Reply to #738580, R*) (1 reply) Actually, for once I have to say no. I really dont have any other theories. :) Date: Thursday, July 24, 1997 1:40pm Forum: Xrated From: Boba Msg#: 739592 To: ** ALL ** Re: 2x File: GAGA.JPG 2x Date: Monday, July 28, 1997 6:37am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 739651 To: Sam Beckett Re: 58y (Reply to #739534, Reply to #739452, Reply to #739446, R*) (1 reply) SB>She should turn her lusts into reality? :) Now you KNOW i cant let THAt SB>one pass. :) Isnt that what causes most of the problems in the SB>world--people acting on their lusts? Sam, next time could you "quote" a conversation so I can see it in context? I honestly don't remember saying to Tempest that she should turn her lusts into reality. I would have to see the context of the conversation to see what I was saying to Tempest and why. I also wanted to let you know that I really have enjoyed our conversations-even and especially where we disagree with each other. Now, on to the point at hand, on the one hand you are quite right that people acting on their lusts is one of the causes of the problems in the world. But on the other hand, much of the problems of the world is also caused by the fact that people often THWART their natural lusts. The ideal would be to satisfy our lusts IN MODERATION. :) Date: Thursday, August 21, 1997 10:59pm Forum: Xrated From: Vixen Msg#: 740488 To: Steve C Re: try anythying with me (2 replies) HI i JUST READ YOUR INFO AND I THOUGHT MAYBE YOU WOULD BE THE RIGHT GUY TO PLAY MY GAME IF INTERESTED WRITE ME VIXEN Date: Friday, August 22, 1997 2:02pm Forum: Xrated From: Steve C Msg#: 740507 To: Vixen Re: try anythying with me (Reply to #740488) (1 reply) VI>HI i JUST READ YOUR INFO AND I THOUGHT MAYBE YOU WOULD BE THE RIGHT GUY VI>TO PLAY MY GAME IF INTERESTED WRITE ME VI>VIXEN Depends on the game. Is it baseball, football or perhaps dwarf tossing? But seriously, I'm married, (Nightbird is my s/o ) so there are some things that I can't (or won't) do. :( Hope to be talking with you in the conferences though, Steve --- þ OLX 2.1 TD þ If this were an actual tagline, it would be funny. Date: Friday, August 22, 1997 4:58pm Forum: Xrated From: Vixen Msg#: 740513 To: Steve C Re: try anythying with me (Reply to #740507, Reply to #740488) (2 replies) So steve what won't you do. I hope we can talk and get to know each other. I'm engaged myself. Date: Friday, August 22, 1997 5:30pm Forum: Xrated From: Cliff Msg#: 740515 To: Vixen Re: try anythying with me (Reply to #740513, Reply to #740507, Reply to #740488) (1 reply) Hey whats up Vixen?? I love to play games. Read my profile and if it interests you, sign me up. I'm a first round draft pick. Date: Friday, August 22, 1997 5:35pm Forum: Xrated From: Vixen Msg#: 740516 To: Cliff Re: try anythying with me (Reply to #740515, Reply to #740513, Reply to #740507, R*) (1 reply) I read it and wold love to talk. meet me in teleconferene. Date: Friday, August 22, 1997 5:39pm Forum: Xrated From: Vixen Msg#: 740517 To: Vixen Re: try anythying with me (Reply to #740516, Reply to #740515, Reply to #740513, R*) (1 reply) I guess your not online right now but write me about yourself and i'll reply Date: Saturday, August 23, 1997 5:17pm Forum: Xrated From: Cliff Msg#: 740533 To: Vixen Re: try anythying with me (Reply to #740517, Reply to #740516, Reply to #740515, R*) Whats up Vixen??? I just got home from work. I see that you replied. I Would try anything with you, you just have to ask! What do you in mind? If you don't have anything that you can think of I'm sure that I can think of something interesting. So you would like to know about me. Lets see. I am into a lot of sports. I play football, Iam an ametuer boxer (I have a fight tonite as a matter of fact), And I run track for Adidas. Thats what I do during the week. On the weekends I work as a computer programmer. I get a lot of time to myself. Monday to Thusday after my workouts I am pretty much free. So when you can get away i'm free. What do you do? Do you have any time to get away? When you write back maybe you can tell me a time that you'll be on next so I can meet in the teleconference. Peace.. Date: Sunday, August 24, 1997 8:43am Forum: Xrated From: Steve C Msg#: 740541 To: Vixen Re: try anythying with me (Reply to #740513, Reply to #740507, Reply to #740488) (1 reply) VI>So steve what won't you do. I hope we can talk and get to know each VI>other. I'm engaged myself. I see we are in similar situations :) I would love to talk with you. What are your interests ? The members of this board tend to be very knowledgeable, but we sometimes can get into very heated debates. Just remember that its all done for fun, and you will love this board. * OLX 2.1 TD * But officer, the sign said "SPEED ZONE"... Date: Sunday, August 24, 1997 12:44pm Forum: Xrated From: Vixen Msg#: 740545 To: Steve C Re: try anythying with me (Reply to #740541, Reply to #740513, Reply to #740507, R*) (1 reply) steve i will be on at 9:00 tonight if you want to teleconference talk to you then Date: Sunday, August 24, 1997 12:46pm Forum: Xrated From: Vixen Msg#: 740546 To: Cliff Re: try anythying with me (Reply to #740533, Reply to #740517, Reply to #740516, R*) (1 reply) cliff i will be on 9:00 tonight talk to you in teleconference then Date: Sunday, August 24, 1997 8:40pm Forum: Xrated From: Cliff Msg#: 740556 To: Vixen Re: try anythying with me (Reply to #740546, Reply to #740533, Reply to #740517, R*) (1 reply) Alright, I'll try to be their. Date: Sunday, August 24, 1997 9:11pm Forum: Xrated From: Vixen Msg#: 740557 To: Steve C Re: getting to know you (1 reply) Hi Steve I just wanted to tell you a little about myself. I'm a nursing student. I love to read and write poetry and read horror. I also love medicine and read all about new things coming out. I am engaged to be married and have been with the guy for three years. well I wish we could teleconference let me know when you'll be on. Date: Sunday, August 24, 1997 9:13pm Forum: Xrated From: Vixen Msg#: 740558 To: Cliff Re: try anythying with me (Reply to #740556, Reply to #740546, Reply to #740533, R*) (1 reply) I'm here but your not so I guess we missed each other oh well you tell me when's good for you. Date: Sunday, August 24, 1997 9:31pm Forum: Xrated From: Vixen Msg#: 740559 To: Vida Re: 58y (Reply to #739651, Reply to #739534, Reply to #739452, R*) (1 reply) VI>SB>She should turn her lusts into reality? :) Now you KNOW i cant let THAt VI>SB>one pass. :) Isnt that what causes most of the problems in the VI>SB>world--people acting on their lusts? VI>Sam, next time could you "quote" a conversation so I can see it in VI>context? VI>I honestly don't remember saying to Tempest that she should turn her VI>lusts into reality. I would have to see the context of the VI>conversation to see what I was saying to Tempest and why. VI>I also wanted to let you know that I really have enjoyed our VI>conversations-even and especially where we disagree with each other. VI>Now, on to the point at hand, on the one hand you are quite right that VI>people acting on their lusts is one of the causes of the problems in VI>the world. But on the other hand, much of the problems of the world is VI>also caused by the fact that people often THWART their natural lusts. I like your idea but is it true can satsifing our lust actually help the world. I've tried it and take it from experience it makes matters worse. VI>The ideal would be to satisfy our lusts IN MODERATION. :) Date: Sunday, August 24, 1997 9:41pm Forum: Xrated From: Cliff Msg#: 740560 To: Vixen Re: try anythying with me (Reply to #740558, Reply to #740556, Reply to #740546, R*) (1 reply) Sorry Vixen. I came on a little late. I was here a little after you left me your last message. I read that you were a nursing student. I am studying cytology. I love science. I am going to try the teleconference again before I leave. Date: Sunday, August 24, 1997 9:56pm Forum: Xrated From: Vixen Msg#: 740561 To: Cliff Re: try anythying with me (Reply to #740560, Reply to #740558, Reply to #740556, R*) (1 reply) Cliff i'll be on tomorrow from 10-11 come find me it seems like we have a something in common sorry I missed you it would have been fun to talk love vixen Date: Monday, August 25, 1997 10:19am Forum: Xrated From: Steve C Msg#: 740564 To: Vixen Re: try anythying with me (Reply to #740545, Reply to #740541, Reply to #740513, R*) VI>steve i will be on at 9:00 tonight if you want to teleconference talk to VI>you then Sorry, I didn't log on yesterday, so I didn't get your message till Monday morning. Perhaps next time. --- þ OLX 2.1 TD þ Proofread carefully to see if you any words out. Date: Monday, August 25, 1997 10:19am Forum: Xrated From: Steve C Msg#: 740565 To: Vixen Re: getting to know you (Reply to #740557) (1 reply) VI>Hi Steve I just wanted to tell you a little about myself. VI>I'm a nursing student. VI>I love to read and write poetry and read horror. VI>I also love medicine and read all about new things coming out. VI>I am engaged to be married and have been with the guy for three years. VI>well I wish we could teleconference let me know when you'll be on. I am in office management I love horror and science fiction, both written and film. I alos try to keep up on whats happening in the computer/technology field I have been married for seven years. I log on at various times, but I notice you seem to log on in thr evenings. I will try logging on tonight (not sure what time as I share a computer with my wife and I don't know what time she will be on tonight.) I will see if you are on line while I am, and if so I will page you into /teleconference Talk to you soon, Steve --- þ OLX 2.1 TD þ MSI HQ! BBS - Home of Off-Line Xpress 805-395-0650 Date: Monday, August 25, 1997 11:26pm Forum: Xrated From: Vixen Msg#: 740574 To: Steve C Re: getting to know you (Reply to #740565, Reply to #740557) (1 reply) sorry I wasn't able to be on line till late but I was coaching a friend inlabor. she hada beautiful baby boy. he was 10pds and 19in long very big kid his name is giancarlo.do you like married life? I've been with my boyfriend for 3and a half years. I hope we ge to talk soon love vixen Date: Tuesday, August 26, 1997 11:33am Forum: Xrated From: Cliff Msg#: 740588 To: Vixen Re: try anythying with me (Reply to #740561, Reply to #740560, Reply to #740558, R*) Whats up Vixen? I couldn't call yesterday, I had a boxing match and was at several parties afterwards. I am going to be sending you mail under a different alias. I don't feel comfortable having my name on my account. A friend created this account for me and did not know what name to use. I hope that we can get to talk soon. Date: Tuesday, August 26, 1997 11:51am Forum: Xrated From: Odin Msg#: 740591 To: Vixen Re: Waiting to try you (1 reply) Whats up Vixen? Its me. Can you guess who? I told you that I would write you back under a different alias. So when you receive this message, you know where to send the reply. Date: Tuesday, August 26, 1997 12:50pm Forum: Xrated From: Steve C Msg#: 740593 To: Vixen Re: getting to know you (Reply to #740574, Reply to #740565, Reply to #740557) (1 reply) VI>sorry I wasn't able to be on line till late but I was coaching a friend VI>inlabor. she hada beautiful baby boy. he was 10pds and 19in long VI>very big kid VI>his name is giancarlo.do you like married life? I've been with my VI>boyfriend for 3and a half years. I hope we ge to talk soon love vixen Congratulations to your friend and her new addition. I love married life. It can be a pain in the ass at times, but overall, I prefer it to single life. Various members of the board meet at times to hang out. Check out the action in /Party On, and if you see something that looks fun, let us know you are coming. Our next hang looks like the Great Irish Fair at Coney Island/SteepleChase Park on either the Sixth or Seventh of September. I will post a message in /Party On when we confirm the date. BTW, your boyfriend is welcome to come along. Talk to you soon, Steve --- þ OLX 2.1 TD þ All wiyht. Rho sritched mg kegtops awound? Date: Tuesday, August 26, 1997 8:53pm Forum: Xrated From: Vixen Msg#: 740601 To: Odin Re: Waiting to try you (Reply to #740591) (1 reply) I like the new alias. how are you? I went shopping and am pooped. So tell me more about yourself and ask me what you'd like to know talk to you soon vixen Date: Tuesday, August 26, 1997 8:57pm Forum: Xrated From: Vixen Msg#: 740602 To: Steve C Re: getting to know you (Reply to #740593, Reply to #740574, Reply to #740565, R*) (2 replies) Hi steve thanks for the invite I hope I can come. So marreid life can be a pain huh. I think I'd take it over single life though. I'm sorry I'm kind of depressed. I had a fight with my boyfriend over the stupidest thing. I don't know what to do. well I hope we can talk soon. vixen Date: Tuesday, August 26, 1997 11:27pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 740606 To: Vida Re: Dr Pax likes to eat pussy (Reply to #738644, Reply to #738639, Reply to #738615, R*) (1 reply) VI>SB>VI>TE>The really good thing about that experience was, though, that I tol VI>SB>VI>TE>ex that this girl was better at eating pussy than he was, and that VI>SB>VI>TE>him try harder >:) VI>SB>VI>TE>VI>A girafee is a lesbian code word for lesbian. Girafees have the VI>SB>VI>TE>VI>longest tongues you see. :) VI>SB>VI>TE>So is a girafee a lesbian, or a lesbian with a long tongue? Or do a VI>SB>VI>TE>lesbians have long tongues? :) VI>SB>VI>A girafee is a lesbian. And lesbians don't necesarily have long VI>SB>VI>tontues. They just know how to use their tongues well. :) VI>SB> I have to admit that I, too, chuckled over the "for a man" line. VI>SB>I feel constrained to point out that I disagree with the idea put forth VI>SB>that if you want your pussy eaten well, find a lesbian. I have not VI>SB>exactly had a plethora of female lovers, but those I have had have told VI>SB>me that I happen to eat pussy quite well, thank you, even if I am a VI>SB>heterosexual male. :) VI>SB> You know, I usually am not so blunt. But I felt I had to be. :) VI>SB> Take care! :) VI>Then you are the exception that proves the rule, my friend. :) I must disagree with you as well, though! Men can be quite wonderful pussy eaters, trust me on this one, you don't necessarily need a lesbian! Date: Tuesday, August 26, 1997 11:35pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 740607 To: Vida Re: Dr Pax likes to eat pussy (Reply to #738709, Reply to #738652, Reply to #738649, R*) (1 reply) VI>SB>VI>SB>Ahh..thats ok. I wouldnt want to imply that I would try to find a VI>SB>VI>SB>lesbian GF just to demonstrate my ability. That would be extremely VI>SB>VI>SB>petty, and that is not one of my traits. :) Still...it is a FASCINA VI>SB>VI>SB>idea. :) VI>SB>VI>Believe me, if you did try to do so, it would never, ever work! :) VI>SB>Exactly. I have found that relationships based on so primal a desire VI>SB>never DO work. :) Glad to know someone else feels the same way that I VI>SB>do. VI>The desire to get involved in a realtionship because of a person's VI>sexuality is just the opposite of a primal desire, IMHO. Which is why VI>it would never work. In my case I got involved with Bob DESPITE the VI>fact that he was a male. :) The desire to get involved with someone because of a person's sexuality seems primal to me - what usually happens is, 2 people get involved because they are sexually attracted, and THEN after the relationship is in full swing, they find out whether or not they are compatible in other ways! But of course, that's prolly not what happened with you and Bob, and it's probably better that way :) Date: Tuesday, August 26, 1997 11:36pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 740608 To: Vida Re: Dr Pax likes to eat pussy (Reply to #738759, Reply to #738753, Reply to #738708, R*) (1 reply) VI>SC>VI>SB>VI>SB>The exception that proves the rule? :) I hope that is a compl VI>SC>VI>SB>VI>Absolutely. :) VI>SC>VI>SB>Thank you. I have to confess that I had never recalled having heard VI>SC>VI>SB>saying before, and I wanted to make sure. :) However, again I say T VI>SC>VI>SB>you for the compliment. :) You seem like a person who has a decent VI>SC>VI>SB>on your shoulders, so I doubly take it as a compliment. VI>SC>VI>Decent head? That's open to debate? :) VI>SC>I'll take his side on that one. :) VI>SC>--- VI>Boy, with all these compliments I'm going to end up with a swollen VI>head. :) Isn't it a wonderful feeling? Compliments rule :) Date: Wednesday, August 27, 1997 11:59am Forum: Xrated From: Steve C Msg#: 740622 To: Vixen Re: getting to know you (Reply to #740602, Reply to #740593, Reply to #740574, R*) (3 replies) VI>Hi steve thanks for the invite I hope I can come. So marreid life can be VI>a pain huh. I think I'd take it over single life though. I'm sorry I'm VI>kind of depressed. I had a fight with my boyfriend over the stupidest VI>thing. I don't know what to do. well I hope we can talk soon. VI>vixen Isn't that what most fights are about ? :) I hope you patch things up. I know that in the 10+ years that I have known Nightbird, we have fought over things, that in retrospect, seem to be extremely stupid. The thing to watch out for is jealousy. I, unfortunately, have a major jealous streak, and it just recently raised it's ugly head. When I thought things through, I realized there was nothing to be jealous about and felt like a fool. Hope to see you next weekend Steve --- þ OLX 2.1 TD þ I'm in shape ... round's a shape isn't it? Date: Wednesday, August 27, 1997 7:41pm Forum: Xrated From: Cliff Msg#: 740637 To: Vixen Re: Waiting to try you (Reply to #740601, Reply to #740591) (1 reply) Thanks for the compliment. I was out food shopping myself. I don't mind shopping, at least I buy what ever I want to. I have a huge appatite. I do tons of running everyday, so when I come home to eat I like to cook a big dinner. If you get time, I could cook you dinner and then we could play one of your games. Date: Wednesday, August 27, 1997 8:22pm Forum: Xrated From: Odin Msg#: 740639 To: Vixen Re: #Wiating to try you!!! I made a mistake by checking my old user and sending it from there. Well the offer stands as well...... Date: Wednesday, August 27, 1997 8:56pm Forum: Xrated From: Vixen Msg#: 740640 To: Steve C Re: getting to know you (Reply to #740622, Reply to #740602, Reply to #740593, R*) (1 reply) I did patch things up like you I also have a jealous streek and it rears its head often.I hope I can make it next weekend tell me exactlt when and where and how to recognize you and i'll see. love vixen Date: Wednesday, August 27, 1997 8:57pm Forum: Xrated From: Vixen Msg#: 740641 To: Cliff Re: Waiting to try you (Reply to #740637, Reply to #740601, Reply to #740591) (1 reply) tell me when and where and I'll take you up on the offer. vixen Date: Wednesday, August 27, 1997 9:09pm Forum: Xrated From: Nightbird Msg#: 740644 To: Vixen Re: getting to know you (Reply to #740602, Reply to #740593, Reply to #740574, R*) (2 replies) VI>Hi steve thanks for the invite I hope I can come. So marreid life can be VI>a pain huh. I think I'd take it over single life though. I'm sorry I'm VI>kind of depressed. I had a fight with my boyfriend over the stupidest VI>thing. I don't know what to do. well I hope we can talk soon. VI>vixen Hi Vixen, I know what you mean by stupid fight. Steve & I have had our share of them & after 10+ years we're still together. * OLX 2.1 TD * Can't learn to do it well? Learn to enjoy doing it badly Date: Wednesday, August 27, 1997 9:09pm Forum: Xrated From: Nightbird Msg#: 740645 To: Steve C Re: getting to know you (Reply to #740622, Reply to #740602, Reply to #740593, R*) (1 reply) SC>VI>Hi steve thanks for the invite I hope I can come. So marreid life can be SC>VI>a pain huh. I think I'd take it over single life though. I'm sorry I'm SC>VI>kind of depressed. I had a fight with my boyfriend over the stupidest SC>VI>thing. I don't know what to do. well I hope we can talk soon. SC>VI>vixen SC>Isn't that what most fights are about ? :) SC>I hope you patch things up. I know that in the 10+ years that I have SC>known Nightbird, we have fought over things, that in retrospect, seem to SC>be extremely stupid. The thing to watch out for is jealousy. I, SC>unfortunately, have a major jealous streak, and it just recently raised SC>it's ugly head. When I thought things through, I realized there was SC>nothing to be jealous about and felt like a fool. SC>Hope to see you next weekend SC>Steve Steve, I understand that but that's in the past, I LOVE YOU!!!!! * OLX 2.1 TD * Canadian DOS prompt: EH?\> Date: Wednesday, August 27, 1997 10:11pm Forum: Xrated From: Steve C Msg#: 740648 To: Vixen Re: getting to know you (Reply to #740640, Reply to #740622, Reply to #740602, R*) VI>I did patch things up like you I also have a jealous streek and it rears VI>its head often.I hope I can make it next weekend tell me exactlt when VI>and where and how to recognize you and i'll see. VI>love vixen I'm waiting for a few friends ( Vida & Dr. Pax) to let me know when they are going. I should know by Tuesday. I hope that won't be too short notice. * OLX 2.1 TD * I'm doing the work of 3 men: Larry, Moe, & Curly. Date: Wednesday, August 27, 1997 10:12pm Forum: Xrated From: Steve C Msg#: 740649 To: Nightbird Re: getting to know you (Reply to #740645, Reply to #740622, Reply to #740602, R*) (1 reply) NI>SC>Isn't that what most fights are about ? :) NI>SC>I hope you patch things up. I know that in the 10+ years that I have NI>SC>known Nightbird, we have fought over things, that in retrospect, seem to NI>SC>be extremely stupid. The thing to watch out for is jealousy. I, NI>SC>unfortunately, have a major jealous streak, and it just recently raised NI>SC>it's ugly head. When I thought things through, I realized there was NI>SC>nothing to be jealous about and felt like a fool. NI>SC>Hope to see you next weekend NI>SC>Steve NI>Steve, I understand that but that's in the past, I LOVE YOU!!!!! Thanks sweetie. * OLX 2.1 TD * My Twit Filter just put me on its Twit List! Date: Thursday, August 28, 1997 5:04pm Forum: Xrated From: Odin Msg#: 740659 To: Vixen Re: Waiting to try you (Reply to #740641, Reply to #740637, Reply to #740601, R*) (1 reply) Well write me back with a time that you can get free.. I am free Tomorrow after 4:00p.m. so if you can get away I'll set you free. I check back on the system later to see if your in teleconference.. Date: Thursday, August 28, 1997 7:07pm Forum: Xrated From: Nightbird Msg#: 740661 To: Steve C Re: getting to know you (Reply to #740649, Reply to #740645, Reply to #740622, R*) SC>NI>SC>Isn't that what most fights are about ? :) SC>NI>SC>I hope you patch things up. I know that in the 10+ years that I have SC>NI>SC>known Nightbird, we have fought over things, that in retrospect, seem SC>NI>SC>be extremely stupid. The thing to watch out for is jealousy. I, SC>NI>SC>unfortunately, have a major jealous streak, and it just recently raise SC>NI>SC>it's ugly head. When I thought things through, I realized there was SC>NI>SC>nothing to be jealous about and felt like a fool. SC>NI>SC>Hope to see you next weekend SC>NI>SC>Steve SC>NI>Steve, I understand that but that's in the past, I LOVE YOU!!!!! SC>Thanks sweetie. Anytime love! * OLX 2.1 TD * "Apple" (c) Copyright 1767, Sir Isaac Newton. Date: Thursday, August 28, 1997 9:39pm Forum: Xrated From: Vixen Msg#: 740663 To: Odin Re: Waiting to try you (Reply to #740659, Reply to #740641, Reply to #740637, R*) (1 reply) no problem how about 5 tomorrow.vixen Date: Thursday, August 28, 1997 9:42pm Forum: Xrated From: Vixen Msg#: 740664 To: Nightbird Re: getting to know you (Reply to #740644, Reply to #740602, Reply to #740593, R*) (1 reply) Hi nightbird tell me do you like being married. my fiancee and I patched things up but sometimes it just seems so hard. vixen Date: Thursday, August 28, 1997 10:50pm Forum: Xrated From: Odin Msg#: 740665 To: Vixen Re: Waiting to try you (Reply to #740663, Reply to #740659, Reply to #740641, R*) (1 reply) No problem. So where should we meet. I'll be at school until 3:00p.m. Give me a time and place to pick you up and tell me what you'll be wearing so I can identify you. Be rested up........... Date: Friday, August 29, 1997 5:05pm Forum: Xrated From: Vixen Msg#: 740670 To: Odin Re: Waiting to try you (Reply to #740665, Reply to #740663, Reply to #740659, R*) (1 reply) sorry sugar but i couldn't make it. tell me if you are free on wenesday and when and i'll promise to tell you where to meet me. where is your school ? hopefully we can meet in manhatten . Sorry love hope you forgive me and give me a second chance. vixen Date: Friday, August 29, 1997 5:17pm Forum: Xrated From: Odin Msg#: 740671 To: Vixen Re: Waiting to try you (Reply to #740670, Reply to #740665, Reply to #740663, R*) (1 reply) No problem babe. We will soon meet up. My school is in Brooklyn. I might work on wednesday and if so I'll be free at 4:00 but if not I can make any time during that day. Whats better for you? Date: Friday, August 29, 1997 9:50pm Forum: Xrated From: Nightbird Msg#: 740676 To: Vixen Re: getting to know you (Reply to #740664, Reply to #740644, Reply to #740602, R*) (1 reply) VI>Hi nightbird tell me do you like being married. my fiancee and I VI>patched things up but sometimes it just seems so hard. vixen Hi Vixen, personally I love being married. But I'll tell you the truth, it's not easy. Marriage is the biggest give and take of a persons life. In the 10+ years we're been together we're gone thought losing alot of people, including his brother, my grandmother & our daughter. It helps if you have married friends that have good realtionships. You'll see, if you put 100% in, you'll have a wonderful marriage. * OLX 2.1 TD * "Been there, done that, got the T-shirt." Date: Saturday, August 30, 1997 7:35am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 740690 To: Vixen Re: 58y (Reply to #740559, Reply to #739651, Reply to #739534, R*) (1 reply) VI>VI>Now, on to the point at hand, on the one hand you are quite right that VI>VI>people acting on their lusts is one of the causes of the problems in VI>VI>the world. But on the other hand, much of the problems of the world is VI>VI>also caused by the fact that people often THWART their natural lusts. VI>I like your idea but is it true can satsifing our lust actually help the VI>world. I've tried it and take it from experience it makes matters worse. VI>VI>The ideal would be to satisfy our lusts IN MODERATION. :) Actually, I mostly just subliminate my lusts. Monogamy diffently restrains me. :) Date: Saturday, August 30, 1997 7:37am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 740691 To: Tempest Re: Dr Pax likes to eat pussy (Reply to #740606, Reply to #738644, Reply to #738639, R*) (1 reply) TE>VI>SB>VI>TE>The really good thing about that experience was, though, that I TE>VI>SB>VI>TE>ex that this girl was better at eating pussy than he was, and th TE>VI>SB>VI>TE>him try harder >:) TE>VI>SB>VI>TE>VI>A girafee is a lesbian code word for lesbian. Girafees have TE>VI>SB>VI>TE>VI>longest tongues you see. :) TE>VI>SB>VI>TE>So is a girafee a lesbian, or a lesbian with a long tongue? Or d TE>VI>SB>VI>TE>lesbians have long tongues? :) TE>VI>SB>VI>A girafee is a lesbian. And lesbians don't necesarily have long TE>VI>SB>VI>tontues. They just know how to use their tongues well. :) TE>VI>SB> I have to admit that I, too, chuckled over the "for a man" line TE>VI>SB>I feel constrained to point out that I disagree with the idea put fort TE>VI>SB>that if you want your pussy eaten well, find a lesbian. I have not TE>VI>SB>exactly had a plethora of female lovers, but those I have had have tol TE>VI>SB>me that I happen to eat pussy quite well, thank you, even if I am a TE>VI>SB>heterosexual male. :) TE>VI>SB> You know, I usually am not so blunt. But I felt I had to be. :) TE>VI>SB> Take care! :) TE>VI>Then you are the exception that proves the rule, my friend. :) TE>I must disagree with you as well, though! Men can be quite wonderful TE>pussy eaters, trust me on this one, you don't necessarily need a TE>lesbian! Yes, but lesbians have wonderful women's bodies to fest upon! :) Date: Saturday, August 30, 1997 7:38am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 740692 To: Tempest Re: Dr Pax likes to eat pussy (Reply to #740607, Reply to #738709, Reply to #738652, R*) (1 reply) TE>VI>SB>VI>SB>Ahh..thats ok. I wouldnt want to imply that I would try to find TE>VI>SB>VI>SB>lesbian GF just to demonstrate my ability. That would be extreme TE>VI>SB>VI>SB>petty, and that is not one of my traits. :) Still...it is a FASC TE>VI>SB>VI>SB>idea. :) TE>VI>SB>VI>Believe me, if you did try to do so, it would never, ever work! :) TE>VI>SB>Exactly. I have found that relationships based on so primal a desire TE>VI>SB>never DO work. :) Glad to know someone else feels the same way that I TE>VI>SB>do. TE>VI>The desire to get involved in a realtionship because of a person's TE>VI>sexuality is just the opposite of a primal desire, IMHO. Which is why TE>VI>it would never work. In my case I got involved with Bob DESPITE the TE>VI>fact that he was a male. :) TE>The desire to get involved with someone because of a person's sexuality TE>seems primal to me - what usually happens is, 2 people get involved TE>because they are sexually attracted, and THEN after the relationship is TE>in full swing, they find out whether or not they are compatible in other TE>ways! But of course, that's prolly not what happened with you and Bob, TE>and it's probably better that way :) Bob and I are just too wierd to be believed sometimes. :) Date: Saturday, August 30, 1997 7:38am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 740693 To: Tempest Re: Dr Pax likes to eat pussy (Reply to #740608, Reply to #738759, Reply to #738753, R*) TE>VI>SC>VI>SB>VI>SB>The exception that proves the rule? :) I hope that is a co TE>VI>SC>VI>SB>VI>Absolutely. :) TE>VI>SC>VI>SB>Thank you. I have to confess that I had never recalled having he TE>VI>SC>VI>SB>saying before, and I wanted to make sure. :) However, again I sa TE>VI>SC>VI>SB>you for the compliment. :) You seem like a person who has a dece TE>VI>SC>VI>SB>on your shoulders, so I doubly take it as a compliment. TE>VI>SC>VI>Decent head? That's open to debate? :) TE>VI>SC>I'll take his side on that one. :) TE>VI>SC>--- TE>VI>Boy, with all these compliments I'm going to end up with a swollen TE>VI>head. :) TE>Isn't it a wonderful feeling? Compliments rule :) Ain't that the truth! :) Date: Sunday, August 31, 1997 9:52pm Forum: Xrated From: Vixen Msg#: 740711 To: Vida Re: 58y (Reply to #740690, Reply to #740559, Reply to #739651, R*) (1 reply) VI>VI>VI>Now, on to the point at hand, on the one hand you are quite right that VI>VI>VI>people acting on their lusts is one of the causes of the problems in VI>VI>VI>the world. But on the other hand, much of the problems of the world i VI>VI>VI>also caused by the fact that people often THWART their natural lusts. VI>VI>I like your idea but is it true can satsifing our lust actually help the VI>VI>world. I've tried it and take it from experience it makes matters worse. VI>VI>VI>The ideal would be to satisfy our lusts IN MODERATION. :) Monogmy restrains me now also but ones lusts can still be satisfied through it. Going around to satisfy lusts just lets to dangerous situations. VI>Actually, I mostly just subliminate my lusts. Monogamy diffently VI>restrains me. :) Date: Sunday, August 31, 1997 9:56pm Forum: Xrated From: Vixen Msg#: 740712 To: Nightbird Re: getting to know you (Reply to #740676, Reply to #740664, Reply to #740644, R*) (1 reply) thanks nightbird. we have gone through some tough times also, his father's death, his mom's engagement, and his little sister's rape. I hope that we do pull throughwe're so different but that is what makes it so good. Date: Sunday, August 31, 1997 9:57pm Forum: Xrated From: Vixen Msg#: 740713 To: Odin Re: Waiting to try you (Reply to #740671, Reply to #740670, Reply to #740665, R*) (1 reply) 5 is good if you can meet me in the city vixen. Date: Monday, September 1, 1997 12:03am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 740715 To: Vida Re: Dr Pax likes to eat pussy (Reply to #739451, Reply to #739445, Reply to #738615, R*) VVI>TE>Quirks generally do tend to cause trouble! VI>Once they start causing trouble, they are more than quirks! :) Hmm.. I suppose you could say that! VI>TE>VI>with men when I was in college and law school but not since that time. VI>TE>VI>And my memory was that the men I was with just wanted to fuck. VI>TE>VI>Anything other than vaginal intercourse was considered "foreplay" by VI>TE>VI>these men. And yeah, if you want to have your pussy eaten well, find VI>TE>VI>lesbian. :) VI>TE>To tell you the truth, it sounds like you've had really rotten luck with VI>TE>men, then. Not all men are just out to fuck. I've had men that only VI>TE>wanted to fuck, and I've had other men that were interested in much more VI>TE>than that. I've been with some men who REALLY LIKE to eat pussy, and VI>TE>other stuff besides regular intercourse. And the ones who really like to VI>TE>do that tend to be really damn good at it!! Date: Monday, September 1, 1997 12:10am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 740716 To: Vida Re: 58y (Reply to #739452, Reply to #739446, Reply to #738616, R*) (1 reply) VI>TE>VVI>TE>VI>TE>Not so! We know that we have to work to keep ourselves alive VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>is OBVIOUS, not because of socialization. If we didn't do thi VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>"socialized" way (i.e. work to make money to buy food), we'd VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>work anyway, like grow plants to eat or hunt animals or whate VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>is simply no way of staying alive without putting in some eff VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>that has nothing to do with socialization. VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>It is not obvious at all that you have to work to eat. It is 10 VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>socialization that teaches us this. VI>TE>VI>TE>Not obvious? If socialization didn't teach you that you have to wor VI>TE>VI>TE>eat, then what would you do, just lie there and wait for the food t VI>TE>VI>TE>jump in your mouth by itself? VI>TE>VI>Absoultely!!!! Or more precisely, you want just lie in bed and wait VI>TE>VI>for someone to feed you and provide you with all your needs. VI>TE>No way, that's crazy! You would lie in bed waiting for a couple of days, VI>TE>and then when the hunger pangs hit badly enough you would go out and get VI>TE>your own food! Surely you don't think that if it weren't for VI>TE>socialization, people would lie there like slugs and starve to death VI>TE>waiting for someone to feed them?! VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Hey, I'm not speaking for myself! I desire sex pretty damn of VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>I'm speaking for most other people I have come across, though VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>ask around, most people really don't want sex every single da VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>OH, really! I do! :) :) :) :) VI>TE>VI>TE>Wow! :) Well that is very unique. I don't even want sex THAT often VI>TE>VI>TE>only want it, say, about 3 times a week, and Adam says that I'm the VI>TE>VI>TE>horniest woman he's ever been with by far! VI>TE>VI>I can just about have sex at the drop of the hat...so I guess that VI>TE>VI>makes me even hornier than you. :) VI>TE>Well, I can have sex at the drop of a hat, I mean, I never refuse it! :) VI>TE>But I don't have the drive to do it every single day, I don't get REALLY VI>TE>desparate for it until at least a week goes by! And that's more of a VI>TE>drive than most people have right there. VI>You seem to think the alternatives for people are to work or to eat. VI>Not necessarily so. There are ways to get food without working...ie. VI>soup kitchens. Well, you still have to get up and physically GO to the soup kitchen. No one's going to bring the food to you unless you are very old and/or disabled. VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>Not automatically. VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>I just assume socialization is the reason until proven otherwise VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>think that socialization serves the pivotal role in fashioning w VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>are as human beings---our likes, our dislikes, our culture. VI>TE>VI>TE>Well then we have a fundamental difference in theory, cause I attri VI>TE>VI>TE>most of this to genetics. It's the ol' nature vs. nurture debate! VI>TE>VI>That's exactly what is! We two fall on the opposite spectrums of the VI>TE>VI>nature vs. nurture debate. :) VI>TE>We sure do! And it's a tough debate to argue on either side, because at VI>TE>this point in time there are not enough facts to back up either side VI>TE>fully. VI>Facts! Who needs stinking facts to argue? :) Wow!! Is that what they teach you in law school?! :) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>That's because that's our natural state. :) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>And why do you make that assumption? :) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>From personal experience? :) VI>TE>VI>TE>Ahem can't argue that one :) VI>TE>VI>What else could it be? :) VI>TE>VI>Just keep in mind, there's a difference between my lusts and my VI>TE>VI>practice! :) VI>TE>You oughtta make it a practice to turn your lusts into practice :) VI>I wouldn't want to do that. Fantasy is sometimes sweeter than reality. VI> :) Hmm, sometimes, yeah... though turning some fantasies into reality can really be a magic thing... Date: Monday, September 1, 1997 12:11am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 740717 To: Sam Beckett Re: 58y (Reply to #739534, Reply to #739452, Reply to #739446, R*) SB>She should turn her lusts into reality? :) Now you KNOW i cant let THAt SB>one pass. :) Isnt that what causes most of the problems in the SB>world--people acting on their lusts? You really think so? I suppose it depends on how you define lusts. Date: Monday, September 1, 1997 12:14am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 740718 To: Sam Beckett Re: Dr Pax likes to eat pussy (Reply to #739535, Reply to #739448, Reply to #738637, R*) SB>I am glad you agree that counselors should be friendly and SB>compassionate. Perhaps I am biased to myself, but it seems that most SB>either get jaundiced over time or allow people to fall into SB>categories--which is the number one thing that counselors should AVOID SB>doing--placing people into categories without knowing the individual. SB>Perhaps that was what I was aiming at in speaking of the guy on the SB>BBS--he seemed to just spit out diagnoses without really knowing the SB>people he was speaking to. :) Ahh, yeah, I've heard before that that tends to happen a lot. I guess it's hard to overcome the urge to categorize, though, because a lot of psych education tends to focus on how to make diagnoses, and probably stresses the diagnosis process more than it should. Date: Monday, September 1, 1997 12:14am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 740719 To: Sam Beckett Re: Dr Pax likes to eat pussy (Reply to #739536, Reply to #739447, Reply to #738636, R*) SB>Actually, for once I have to say no. I really dont have any other SB>theories. :) Damn. :) Date: Monday, September 1, 1997 12:40am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 740720 To: Steve C Re: getting to know you (Reply to #740622, Reply to #740602, Reply to #740593, R*) (1 reply) SSC>I hope you patch things up. I know that in the 10+ years that I have SC>known Nightbird, we have fought over things, that in retrospect, seem to SC>be extremely stupid. The thing to watch out for is jealousy. I, SC>unfortunately, have a major jealous streak, and it just recently raised SC>it's ugly head. When I thought things through, I realized there was SC>nothing to be jealous about and felt like a fool. I know the feeling!! That major jealous streak is one of my biggest faults. It's a funny thing about jealousy, when I think about it there is nothing to be jealous about and I know it in my brain, but emotions like jealousy are never reasonable or sensible, they just happen. Date: Monday, September 1, 1997 12:44am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 740721 To: Nightbird Re: getting to know you (Reply to #740644, Reply to #740602, Reply to #740593, R*) (1 reply) NI>VI>Hi steve thanks for the invite I hope I can come. So marreid life can be NI>VI>a pain huh. I think I'd take it over single life though. I'm sorry I'm NI>VI>kind of depressed. I had a fight with my boyfriend over the stupidest NI>VI>thing. I don't know what to do. well I hope we can talk soon. NI>VI>vixen NI>Hi Vixen, I know what you mean by stupid fight. Steve & I have had our NI>share of them & after 10+ years we're still together. That is a wonderful thing! Me and my ex had more than our share of stupid fights, and after 3 and a half years it got to be too much and we went our separate ways. Which, in retrospect, is for the better. Date: Monday, September 1, 1997 12:52am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 740724 To: Vida Re: Dr Pax likes to eat pussy (Reply to #740691, Reply to #740606, Reply to #738644, R*) (1 reply) VVI>TE>VI>Then you are the exception that proves the rule, my friend. :) VI>TE>I must disagree with you as well, though! Men can be quite wonderful VI>TE>pussy eaters, trust me on this one, you don't necessarily need a VI>TE>lesbian! VI>Yes, but lesbians have wonderful women's bodies to fest upon! :) Well, I like wonderful men's bodies myself, but that's a personal preference :) Date: Monday, September 1, 1997 12:53am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 740725 To: Vida Re: Dr Pax likes to eat pussy (Reply to #740692, Reply to #740607, Reply to #738709, R*) (1 reply) VVI>TE>VI>The desire to get involved in a realtionship because of a person's VI>TE>VI>sexuality is just the opposite of a primal desire, IMHO. Which is why VI>TE>VI>it would never work. In my case I got involved with Bob DESPITE the VI>TE>VI>fact that he was a male. :) VI>TE>The desire to get involved with someone because of a person's sexuality VI>TE>seems primal to me - what usually happens is, 2 people get involved VI>TE>because they are sexually attracted, and THEN after the relationship is VI>TE>in full swing, they find out whether or not they are compatible in other VI>TE>ways! But of course, that's prolly not what happened with you and Bob, VI>TE>and it's probably better that way :) VI>Bob and I are just too wierd to be believed sometimes. :) I could believe that. :) Date: Monday, September 1, 1997 8:50am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 740735 To: Vixen Re: 58y (Reply to #740711, Reply to #740690, Reply to #740559, R*) (1 reply) VI>VI>VI>VI>Now, on to the point at hand, on the one hand you are quite right t VI>VI>VI>VI>people acting on their lusts is one of the causes of the problems i VI>VI>VI>VI>the world. But on the other hand, much of the problems of the worl VI>VI>VI>VI>also caused by the fact that people often THWART their natural lust VI>VI>VI>I like your idea but is it true can satsifing our lust actually help t VI>VI>VI>world. I've tried it and take it from experience it makes matters wors VI>VI>VI>VI>The ideal would be to satisfy our lusts IN MODERATION. :) VI>Monogmy restrains me now also but ones lusts can still be satisfied VI>through it. Going around to satisfy lusts just lets to dangerous VI>situations. VI>VI>Actually, I mostly just subliminate my lusts. Monogamy diffently VI>VI>restrains me. :) It is impossible for me to satisfy my lusts in my current situation. Some how or other, I am in the crazy situation of being a lesbian who is romantically involved with a male. :) Date: Monday, September 1, 1997 8:55am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 740736 To: Tempest Re: 58y (Reply to #740716, Reply to #739452, Reply to #739446, R*) (1 reply) TE>VI>TE>VVI>TE>VI>TE>Not so! We know that we have to work to keep ourselves al TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>is OBVIOUS, not because of socialization. If we didn't do TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>"socialized" way (i.e. work to make money to buy food), we TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>work anyway, like grow plants to eat or hunt animals or wh TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>is simply no way of staying alive without putting in some TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>that has nothing to do with socialization. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>It is not obvious at all that you have to work to eat. It is TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>socialization that teaches us this. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Not obvious? If socialization didn't teach you that you have to TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>eat, then what would you do, just lie there and wait for the foo TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>jump in your mouth by itself? TE>VI>TE>VI>Absoultely!!!! Or more precisely, you want just lie in bed and wai TE>VI>TE>VI>for someone to feed you and provide you with all your needs. TE>VI>TE>No way, that's crazy! You would lie in bed waiting for a couple of day TE>VI>TE>and then when the hunger pangs hit badly enough you would go out and g TE>VI>TE>your own food! Surely you don't think that if it weren't for TE>VI>TE>socialization, people would lie there like slugs and starve to death TE>VI>TE>waiting for someone to feed them?! TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Hey, I'm not speaking for myself! I desire sex pretty damn TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>I'm speaking for most other people I have come across, tho TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>ask around, most people really don't want sex every single TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>OH, really! I do! :) :) :) :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Wow! :) Well that is very unique. I don't even want sex THAT of TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>only want it, say, about 3 times a week, and Adam says that I'm TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>horniest woman he's ever been with by far! TE>VI>TE>VI>I can just about have sex at the drop of the hat...so I guess that TE>VI>TE>VI>makes me even hornier than you. :) TE>VI>TE>Well, I can have sex at the drop of a hat, I mean, I never refuse it! TE>VI>TE>But I don't have the drive to do it every single day, I don't get REAL TE>VI>TE>desparate for it until at least a week goes by! And that's more of a TE>VI>TE>drive than most people have right there. TE>VI>You seem to think the alternatives for people are to work or to eat. TE>VI>Not necessarily so. There are ways to get food without working...ie. TE>VI>soup kitchens. TE>Well, you still have to get up and physically GO to the soup kitchen. No TE>one's going to bring the food to you unless you are very old and/or TE>disabled. Good point. However, that's a mighty loose definition of work, wouldn't you say? TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>Not automatically. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>I just assume socialization is the reason until proven otherw TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>think that socialization serves the pivotal role in fashionin TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>are as human beings---our likes, our dislikes, our culture. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Well then we have a fundamental difference in theory, cause I at TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>most of this to genetics. It's the ol' nature vs. nurture debate TE>VI>TE>VI>That's exactly what is! We two fall on the opposite spectrums of t TE>VI>TE>VI>nature vs. nurture debate. :) TE>VI>TE>We sure do! And it's a tough debate to argue on either side, because a TE>VI>TE>this point in time there are not enough facts to back up either side TE>VI>TE>fully. TE>VI>Facts! Who needs stinking facts to argue? :) TE>Wow!! Is that what they teach you in law school?! :) It's lesson number one in law school. :) :) :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>That's because that's our natural state. :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>And why do you make that assumption? :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>From personal experience? :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Ahem can't argue that one :) TE>VI>TE>VI>What else could it be? :) TE>VI>TE>VI>Just keep in mind, there's a difference between my lusts and my TE>VI>TE>VI>practice! :) TE>VI>TE>You oughtta make it a practice to turn your lusts into practice :) TE>VI>I wouldn't want to do that. Fantasy is sometimes sweeter than reality. TE>VI> :) TE>Hmm, sometimes, yeah... though turning some fantasies into reality can TE>really be a magic thing... I wouldn't know about that. I've lived a pretty tame existence. Other than relatively short "wild and crazy" periods of my life, I have only had sex with long time, monogamous lovers. :) Date: Monday, September 1, 1997 8:56am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 740737 To: Tempest Re: Dr Pax likes to eat pussy (Reply to #740724, Reply to #740691, Reply to #740606, R*) TE>VVI>TE>VI>Then you are the exception that proves the rule, my friend. :) TE>VI>TE>I must disagree with you as well, though! Men can be quite wonderful TE>VI>TE>pussy eaters, trust me on this one, you don't necessarily need a TE>VI>TE>lesbian! TE>VI>Yes, but lesbians have wonderful women's bodies to fest upon! :) TE>Well, I like wonderful men's bodies myself, but that's a personal TE>preference :) Diffently, my dear. :) Date: Monday, September 1, 1997 8:57am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 740738 To: Tempest Re: Dr Pax likes to eat pussy (Reply to #740725, Reply to #740692, Reply to #740607, R*) (1 reply) TE>VVI>TE>VI>The desire to get involved in a realtionship because of a person's TE>VI>TE>VI>sexuality is just the opposite of a primal desire, IMHO. Which is TE>VI>TE>VI>it would never work. In my case I got involved with Bob DESPITE th TE>VI>TE>VI>fact that he was a male. :) TE>VI>TE>The desire to get involved with someone because of a person's sexualit TE>VI>TE>seems primal to me - what usually happens is, 2 people get involved TE>VI>TE>because they are sexually attracted, and THEN after the relationship i TE>VI>TE>in full swing, they find out whether or not they are compatible in oth TE>VI>TE>ways! But of course, that's prolly not what happened with you and Bob, TE>VI>TE>and it's probably better that way :) TE>VI>Bob and I are just too wierd to be believed sometimes. :) TE>I could believe that. :) Yes, but somehow or other we have been working together for 3+ years. :) Date: Monday, September 1, 1997 11:52am Forum: Xrated From: Nightbird Msg#: 740745 To: Vixen Re: getting to know you (Reply to #740712, Reply to #740676, Reply to #740664, R*) (1 reply) VI>thanks nightbird. we have gone through some tough times also, his VI>father's death, his mom's engagement, and his little sister's rape. I VI>hope that we do pull throughwe're so different but that is what makes it VI>so good. Vixen, my hubby & I are very diffrent but we still have enought there to keep us together. The work is worth it! * OLX 2.1 TD * "How to Budget Your Money" by I.R.S. Date: Monday, September 1, 1997 11:52am Forum: Xrated From: Nightbird Msg#: 740746 To: Tempest Re: getting to know you (Reply to #740721, Reply to #740644, Reply to #740602, R*) (2 replies) TE>I>VI>Hi steve thanks for the invite I hope I can come. So marreid life can b TE>NI>VI>a pain huh. I think I'd take it over single life though. I'm sorry I'm TE>NI>VI>kind of depressed. I had a fight with my boyfriend over the stupidest TE>NI>VI>thing. I don't know what to do. well I hope we can talk soon. TE>NI>VI>vixen TE>NI>Hi Vixen, I know what you mean by stupid fight. Steve & I have had our TE>NI>share of them & after 10+ years we're still together. TE>That is a wonderful thing! Me and my ex had more than our share of TE>stupid fights, and after 3 and a half years it got to be too much and we TE>went our separate ways. Which, in retrospect, is for the better. I understand that, I used to go out with various men just to have a man to be with and well only one may have worked out but I screwed that one up but I wouldn't have met Steve if I hadn't screwed up my realtionship with Richie & started going out with "AP"(now known as Asshole Pete)He screwed up my life, my heart & my head!!!!!!! * OLX 2.1 TD * "I drank WHAT!?" - Socrates Date: Monday, September 1, 1997 2:49pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 740747 To: Vida Re: 58y (Reply to #740736, Reply to #740716, Reply to #739452, R*) (1 reply) VVI>TE>VI>You seem to think the alternatives for people are to work or to eat. VI>TE>VI>Not necessarily so. There are ways to get food without working...ie. VI>TE>VI>soup kitchens. VI>TE>Well, you still have to get up and physically GO to the soup kitchen. No VI>TE>one's going to bring the food to you unless you are very old and/or VI>TE>disabled. VI>Good point. However, that's a mighty loose definition of work, VI>wouldn't you say? "Work" is any action that involves an expenditure of energy. The fact that "work" by society's definition involves monetary compensation is incidental. VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>That's exactly what is! We two fall on the opposite spectrums o VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>nature vs. nurture debate. :) VI>TE>VI>TE>We sure do! And it's a tough debate to argue on either side, becaus VI>TE>VI>TE>this point in time there are not enough facts to back up either sid VI>TE>VI>TE>fully. VI>TE>VI>Facts! Who needs stinking facts to argue? :) VI>TE>Wow!! Is that what they teach you in law school?! :) VI>It's lesson number one in law school. :) :) :) Whoa! Law school sounds fun :) VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>Just keep in mind, there's a difference between my lusts and my VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>practice! :) VI>TE>VI>TE>You oughtta make it a practice to turn your lusts into practice :) VI>TE>VI>I wouldn't want to do that. Fantasy is sometimes sweeter than reality VI>TE>VI> :) VI>TE>Hmm, sometimes, yeah... though turning some fantasies into reality can VI>TE>really be a magic thing... VI>I wouldn't know about that. I've lived a pretty tame existence. Other VI>than relatively short "wild and crazy" periods of my life, I have only VI>had sex with long time, monogamous lovers. :) That's a good thing. For some reason, I've rarely ever been able to keep a relationship for too long, so I've ended up with a couple of relatively long-term ones and tons of little short-term ones. Hopefully that's gonna change now though! Date: Monday, September 1, 1997 2:50pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 740748 To: Vida Re: Dr Pax likes to eat pussy (Reply to #740738, Reply to #740725, Reply to #740692, R*) (1 reply) VI>TE>VVI>TE>VI>The desire to get involved in a realtionship because of a perso VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>sexuality is just the opposite of a primal desire, IMHO. Which VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>it would never work. In my case I got involved with Bob DESPITE VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>fact that he was a male. :) VI>TE>VI>TE>The desire to get involved with someone because of a person's sexua VI>TE>VI>TE>seems primal to me - what usually happens is, 2 people get involved VI>TE>VI>TE>because they are sexually attracted, and THEN after the relationshi VI>TE>VI>TE>in full swing, they find out whether or not they are compatible in VI>TE>VI>TE>ways! But of course, that's prolly not what happened with you and B VI>TE>VI>TE>and it's probably better that way :) VI>TE>VI>Bob and I are just too wierd to be believed sometimes. :) VI>TE>I could believe that. :) VI>Yes, but somehow or other we have been working together for 3+ years. VI>:) So you and Bob are in a relationship AND you're still working together? Wow. Maintaining a long-term relationship with someone you work with is tough enough, let alone the fact that you are actually a lesbian. I'm impressed :) Date: Monday, September 1, 1997 2:57pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 740749 To: Nightbird Re: getting to know you (Reply to #740746, Reply to #740721, Reply to #740644, R*) (1 reply) NI>TE>I>VI>Hi steve thanks for the invite I hope I can come. So marreid life ca NI>TE>NI>VI>a pain huh. I think I'd take it over single life though. I'm sorry NI>TE>NI>VI>kind of depressed. I had a fight with my boyfriend over the stupide NI>TE>NI>VI>thing. I don't know what to do. well I hope we can talk soon. NI>TE>NI>VI>vixen NI>TE>NI>Hi Vixen, I know what you mean by stupid fight. Steve & I have had ou NI>TE>NI>share of them & after 10+ years we're still together. NI>TE>That is a wonderful thing! Me and my ex had more than our share of NI>TE>stupid fights, and after 3 and a half years it got to be too much and we NI>TE>went our separate ways. Which, in retrospect, is for the better. NI>I understand that, I used to go out with various men just to have a man NI>to be with and well only one may have worked out but I screwed that one NI>up but I wouldn't have met Steve if I hadn't screwed up my realtionship NI>with Richie & started going out with "AP"(now known as Asshole Pete)He NI>screwed up my life, my heart & my head!!!!!!! No matter how horrible things are, they seem to eventually work out for the better, and it's something that you figure out much later on, in retrospect. You've been with Steve for over 10 years, so whatever happened with this guy "AP" was a long time ago, right? I hope that you have been able to mend whatever damage this guy has done to your life! It's really tough, but coming through and being successful in the end is the best revenge (cliche, but true). Date: Tuesday, September 2, 1997 7:25am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 740800 To: Tempest Re: 58y (Reply to #740747, Reply to #740736, Reply to #740716, R*) (1 reply) TE>VVI>TE>VI>You seem to think the alternatives for people are to work or to ea TE>VI>TE>VI>Not necessarily so. There are ways to get food without working...i TE>VI>TE>VI>soup kitchens. TE>VI>TE>Well, you still have to get up and physically GO to the soup kitchen. TE>VI>TE>one's going to bring the food to you unless you are very old and/or TE>VI>TE>disabled. TE>VI>Good point. However, that's a mighty loose definition of work, TE>VI>wouldn't you say? TE>"Work" is any action that involves an expenditure of energy. The fact TE>that "work" by society's definition involves monetary compensation is TE>incidental. I don't know if I can agree with your definition of work as being anything that involves an expenditure of energy. I expend energy typing these posts on AH, but that's not work, is it? I also expend energy working out at the gym, but I wouldn't call that work, would you? TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>That's exactly what is! We two fall on the opposite spectrum TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>nature vs. nurture debate. :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>We sure do! And it's a tough debate to argue on either side, bec TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>this point in time there are not enough facts to back up either TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>fully. TE>VI>TE>VI>Facts! Who needs stinking facts to argue? :) TE>VI>TE>Wow!! Is that what they teach you in law school?! :) TE>VI>It's lesson number one in law school. :) :) :) TE>Whoa! Law school sounds fun :) Far from it! :( TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>Just keep in mind, there's a difference between my lusts and TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>practice! :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>You oughtta make it a practice to turn your lusts into practice TE>VI>TE>VI>I wouldn't want to do that. Fantasy is sometimes sweeter than real TE>VI>TE>VI> :) TE>VI>TE>Hmm, sometimes, yeah... though turning some fantasies into reality can TE>VI>TE>really be a magic thing... TE>VI>I wouldn't know about that. I've lived a pretty tame existence. Other TE>VI>than relatively short "wild and crazy" periods of my life, I have only TE>VI>had sex with long time, monogamous lovers. :) TE>That's a good thing. For some reason, I've rarely ever been able to keep TE>a relationship for too long, so I've ended up with a couple of TE>relatively long-term ones and tons of little short-term ones. Hopefully TE>that's gonna change now though! I sure hope so! :) Date: Tuesday, September 2, 1997 7:28am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 740801 To: Tempest Re: Dr Pax likes to eat pussy (Reply to #740748, Reply to #740738, Reply to #740725, R*) (1 reply) TE>VI>TE>VVI>TE>VI>The desire to get involved in a realtionship because of a pe TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>sexuality is just the opposite of a primal desire, IMHO. Whi TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>it would never work. In my case I got involved with Bob DESP TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>fact that he was a male. :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>The desire to get involved with someone because of a person's se TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>seems primal to me - what usually happens is, 2 people get invol TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>because they are sexually attracted, and THEN after the relation TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>in full swing, they find out whether or not they are compatible TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>ways! But of course, that's prolly not what happened with you an TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>and it's probably better that way :) TE>VI>TE>VI>Bob and I are just too wierd to be believed sometimes. :) TE>VI>TE>I could believe that. :) TE>VI>Yes, but somehow or other we have been working together for 3+ years. TE>VI>:) TE>So you and Bob are in a relationship AND you're still working together? TE>Wow. Maintaining a long-term relationship with someone you work with is TE>tough enough, let alone the fact that you are actually a lesbian. I'm TE>impressed :) Sure, we work on our relationship. I don't think it is possible to survive as a couple past the "honey moon stage" (which can last up to two, three months) without working on things. And the sex stuff isn't what we work on. Mostly what we work on is communication and accomodating each other's different needs. Date: Tuesday, September 2, 1997 9:02am Forum: Xrated From: Steve C Msg#: 740804 To: Tempest Re: getting to know you (Reply to #740720, Reply to #740622, Reply to #740602, R*) (1 reply) TE>SC>I hope you patch things up. I know that in the 10+ years that I have TE>SC>known Nightbird, we have fought over things, that in retrospect, seem to TE>SC>be extremely stupid. The thing to watch out for is jealousy. I, TE>SC>unfortunately, have a major jealous streak, and it just recently raised TE>SC>it's ugly head. When I thought things through, I realized there was TE>SC>nothing to be jealous about and felt like a fool. TE>I know the feeling!! That major jealous streak is one of my biggest TE>faults. It's a funny thing about jealousy, when I think about it there TE>is nothing to be jealous about and I know it in my brain, but emotions TE>like jealousy are never reasonable or sensible, they just happen. I'm glad that I'm not the only one who acts like that. Thanks. --- þ OLX 2.1 TD þ Mental Floss prevents Moral Decay. Date: Tuesday, September 2, 1997 9:03am Forum: Xrated From: Steve C Msg#: 740808 To: Nightbird Re: getting to know you (Reply to #740746, Reply to #740721, Reply to #740644, R*) (1 reply) NI>TE>NI>Hi Vixen, I know what you mean by stupid fight. Steve & I have had ou NI>TE>NI>share of them & after 10+ years we're still together. NI>TE>That is a wonderful thing! Me and my ex had more than our share of NI>TE>stupid fights, and after 3 and a half years it got to be too much and we NI>TE>went our separate ways. Which, in retrospect, is for the better. NI>I understand that, I used to go out with various men just to have a man NI>to be with and well only one may have worked out but I screwed that one NI>up but I wouldn't have met Steve if I hadn't screwed up my realtionship NI>with Richie & started going out with "AP"(now known as Asshole Pete)He NI>screwed up my life, my heart & my head!!!!!!! Actually, I think "AP" made you think about what you were doing with your life, and where it was heading. I owe him a debt of gratitude, for if he had treated you right, I would never have had a chance to get to know you. :) (I know, I'm an irrepressible optomist) --- þ OLX 2.1 TD þ hAS ANYONE SEEN MY cAPSLOCK KEY? Date: Tuesday, September 2, 1997 9:31pm Forum: Xrated From: Nightbird Msg#: 740833 To: Tempest Re: getting to know you (Reply to #740749, Reply to #740746, Reply to #740721, R*) (1 reply) TE>I>TE>I>VI>Hi steve thanks for the invite I hope I can come. So marreid life TE>NI>TE>NI>VI>a pain huh. I think I'd take it over single life though. I'm sor TE>NI>TE>NI>VI>kind of depressed. I had a fight with my boyfriend over the stup TE>NI>TE>NI>VI>thing. I don't know what to do. well I hope we can talk soon. TE>NI>TE>NI>VI>vixen TE>NI>TE>NI>Hi Vixen, I know what you mean by stupid fight. Steve & I have had TE>NI>TE>NI>share of them & after 10+ years we're still together. TE>NI>TE>That is a wonderful thing! Me and my ex had more than our share of TE>NI>TE>stupid fights, and after 3 and a half years it got to be too much and TE>NI>TE>went our separate ways. Which, in retrospect, is for the better. TE>NI>I understand that, I used to go out with various men just to have a man TE>NI>to be with and well only one may have worked out but I screwed that one TE>NI>up but I wouldn't have met Steve if I hadn't screwed up my realtionship TE>NI>with Richie & started going out with "AP"(now known as Asshole Pete)He TE>NI>screwed up my life, my heart & my head!!!!!!! TE>No matter how horrible things are, they seem to eventually work out for TE>the better, and it's something that you figure out much later on, in TE>retrospect. You've been with Steve for over 10 years, so whatever TE>happened with this guy "AP" was a long time ago, right? I hope that you TE>have been able to mend whatever damage this guy has done to your life! TE>It's really tough, but coming through and being successful in the end is TE>the best revenge (cliche, but true). You might say that life worked out better for me than him, after "ap" dumped me at his grandmother's funeral, he started sleeping and dating another women who he got pregnalt & she forced him to marry her. He came looking for me years later but I was already engaged to Steve so he could KISS MY ASS!!!!! * OLX 2.1 TD * "I'll be Bach!" - Johann Sebastian Schwarzenneger Date: Tuesday, September 2, 1997 9:31pm Forum: Xrated From: Nightbird Msg#: 740835 To: Steve C Re: getting to know you (Reply to #740808, Reply to #740746, Reply to #740721, R*) (1 reply) SC>NI>TE>NI>Hi Vixen, I know what you mean by stupid fight. Steve & I have had SC>NI>TE>NI>share of them & after 10+ years we're still together. SC>NI>TE>That is a wonderful thing! Me and my ex had more than our share of SC>NI>TE>stupid fights, and after 3 and a half years it got to be too much and SC>NI>TE>went our separate ways. Which, in retrospect, is for the better. SC>NI>I understand that, I used to go out with various men just to have a man SC>NI>to be with and well only one may have worked out but I screwed that one SC>NI>up but I wouldn't have met Steve if I hadn't screwed up my realtionship SC>NI>with Richie & started going out with "AP"(now known as Asshole Pete)He SC>NI>screwed up my life, my heart & my head!!!!!!! SC>Actually, I think "AP" made you think about what you were doing with SC>your life, and where it was heading. SC>I owe him a debt of gratitude, for if he had treated you right, I would SC>never have had a chance to get to know you. :) SC>(I know, I'm an irrepressible optomist) You are right as rain!!! * OLX 2.1 TD * "Maytag" is my middle name; I'm an agitator. Date: Wednesday, September 3, 1997 8:08am Forum: Xrated From: Steve C Msg#: 740853 To: Nightbird Re: getting to know you (Reply to #740835, Reply to #740808, Reply to #740746, R*) (1 reply) NI>SC>NI>I understand that, I used to go out with various men just to have a ma NI>SC>NI>to be with and well only one may have worked out but I screwed that on NI>SC>NI>up but I wouldn't have met Steve if I hadn't screwed up my realtionshi NI>SC>NI>with Richie & started going out with "AP"(now known as Asshole Pete)He NI>SC>NI>screwed up my life, my heart & my head!!!!!!! NI>SC>Actually, I think "AP" made you think about what you were doing with NI>SC>your life, and where it was heading. NI>SC>I owe him a debt of gratitude, for if he had treated you right, I would NI>SC>never have had a chance to get to know you. :) NI>SC>(I know, I'm an irrepressible optomist) NI>You are right as rain!!! As usual (ducking) NI> * OLX 2.1 TD * "Maytag" is my middle name; I'm an agitator. I can attest to that !!! --- þ OLX 2.1 TD þ #30-3771: Experience usually comes from bad judgement. Date: Wednesday, September 3, 1997 8:25pm Forum: Xrated From: Nightbird Msg#: 740871 To: Steve C Re: getting to know you (Reply to #740853, Reply to #740835, Reply to #740808, R*) SC>NI>SC>NI>I understand that, I used to go out with various men just to have a SC>NI>SC>NI>to be with and well only one may have worked out but I screwed that SC>NI>SC>NI>up but I wouldn't have met Steve if I hadn't screwed up my realtion SC>NI>SC>NI>with Richie & started going out with "AP"(now known as Asshole Pete SC>NI>SC>NI>screwed up my life, my heart & my head!!!!!!! SC>NI>SC>Actually, I think "AP" made you think about what you were doing with SC>NI>SC>your life, and where it was heading. SC>NI>SC>I owe him a debt of gratitude, for if he had treated you right, I woul SC>NI>SC>never have had a chance to get to know you. :) SC>NI>SC>(I know, I'm an irrepressible optomist) SC>NI>You are right as rain!!! SC> As usual (ducking) SC>NI> * OLX 2.1 TD * "Maytag" is my middle name; I'm an agitator. SC>I can attest to that !!! You'd better duck!!! SC> þ OLX 2.1 TD þ #30-3771: Experience usually comes from bad judgement. Intersting!!! * OLX 2.1 TD * "My arm!", said Captain Hook offhandedly. Date: Friday, September 5, 1997 3:11am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 740922 To: Vida Re: 58y (Reply to #740800, Reply to #740747, Reply to #740736, R*) (1 reply) VVI>TE>VI>TE>Well, you still have to get up and physically GO to the soup kitche VI>TE>VI>TE>one's going to bring the food to you unless you are very old and/or VI>TE>VI>TE>disabled. VI>TE>VI>Good point. However, that's a mighty loose definition of work, VI>TE>VI>wouldn't you say? VI>TE>"Work" is any action that involves an expenditure of energy. The fact VI>TE>that "work" by society's definition involves monetary compensation is VI>TE>incidental. VI>I don't know if I can agree with your definition of work as being VI>anything that involves an expenditure of energy. I expend energy VI>typing these posts on AH, but that's not work, is it? I also expend VI>energy working out at the gym, but I wouldn't call that work, would you? Sure, I would. In both cases, you are expending energy toward a goal. Just because you aren't getting paid for it with money doesn't mean it should be discounted as non-work. VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>Facts! Who needs stinking facts to argue? :) VI>TE>VI>TE>Wow!! Is that what they teach you in law school?! :) VI>TE>VI>It's lesson number one in law school. :) :) :) VI>TE>Whoa! Law school sounds fun :) VI>Far from it! :( Good thing you don't have to go through it again, eh? VI>TE>VI>I wouldn't know about that. I've lived a pretty tame existence. Other VI>TE>VI>than relatively short "wild and crazy" periods of my life, I have only VI>TE>VI>had sex with long time, monogamous lovers. :) VI>TE>That's a good thing. For some reason, I've rarely ever been able to keep VI>TE>a relationship for too long, so I've ended up with a couple of VI>TE>relatively long-term ones and tons of little short-term ones. Hopefully VI>TE>that's gonna change now though! VI>I sure hope so! :) It's about time, eh? Date: Friday, September 5, 1997 3:22am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 740924 To: Steve C Re: getting to know you (Reply to #740804, Reply to #740720, Reply to #740622, R*) SC>TE>SC>I hope you patch things up. I know that in the 10+ years that I have SC>TE>SC>known Nightbird, we have fought over things, that in retrospect, seem SC>TE>SC>be extremely stupid. The thing to watch out for is jealousy. I, SC>TE>SC>unfortunately, have a major jealous streak, and it just recently raise SC>TE>SC>it's ugly head. When I thought things through, I realized there was SC>TE>SC>nothing to be jealous about and felt like a fool. SC>TE>I know the feeling!! That major jealous streak is one of my biggest SC>TE>faults. It's a funny thing about jealousy, when I think about it there SC>TE>is nothing to be jealous about and I know it in my brain, but emotions SC>TE>like jealousy are never reasonable or sensible, they just happen. SC>I'm glad that I'm not the only one who acts like that. SC>Thanks. You're welcome! And here I was also thinking that I was the only one who acts like that, so thank you too!! Date: Friday, September 5, 1997 3:27am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 740925 To: Nightbird Re: getting to know you (Reply to #740833, Reply to #740749, Reply to #740746, R*) (1 reply) NNI>TE>NI>I understand that, I used to go out with various men just to have a ma NI>TE>NI>to be with and well only one may have worked out but I screwed that on NI>TE>NI>up but I wouldn't have met Steve if I hadn't screwed up my realtionshi NI>TE>NI>with Richie & started going out with "AP"(now known as Asshole Pete)He NI>TE>NI>screwed up my life, my heart & my head!!!!!!! NI>TE>No matter how horrible things are, they seem to eventually work out for NI>TE>the better, and it's something that you figure out much later on, in NI>TE>retrospect. You've been with Steve for over 10 years, so whatever NI>TE>happened with this guy "AP" was a long time ago, right? I hope that you NI>TE>have been able to mend whatever damage this guy has done to your life! NI>TE>It's really tough, but coming through and being successful in the end is NI>TE>the best revenge (cliche, but true). NI>You might say that life worked out better for me than him, after "ap" NI>dumped me at his grandmother's funeral, he started sleeping and dating NI>another women who he got pregnalt & she forced him to marry her. He NI>came looking for me years later but I was already engaged to Steve so he NI>could KISS MY ASS!!!!! Heheheheh! You see that? What comes around goes around I guess, and looks like it came around for him quicker than expected. Date: Friday, September 5, 1997 3:59pm Forum: Xrated From: Vixen Msg#: 740942 To: Vida Re: Maybe you need to find a woman to satisfy you (Reply to #740735, Reply to #740711, Reply to #740690, R*) (1 reply) how can you be a lesbian trapped in arelationship witha male. Maybe you needto find a woman to satisfy you. Date: Friday, September 5, 1997 4:02pm Forum: Xrated From: Vixen Msg#: 740943 To: Nightbird Re: getting to know you (Reply to #740745, Reply to #740712, Reply to #740676, R*) (1 reply) Thank you. The work is worth it and I hope my marriage will be as long and longer then yours. It is hard work but when you have the right guy then it's worth it Date: Saturday, September 6, 1997 2:14am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 741008 To: Tempest Re: 58y (Reply to #740922, Reply to #740800, Reply to #740747, R*) (1 reply) TE>VVI>TE>VI>TE>Well, you still have to get up and physically GO to the soup ki TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>one's going to bring the food to you unless you are very old and TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>disabled. TE>VI>TE>VI>Good point. However, that's a mighty loose definition of work, TE>VI>TE>VI>wouldn't you say? TE>VI>TE>"Work" is any action that involves an expenditure of energy. The fact TE>VI>TE>that "work" by society's definition involves monetary compensation is TE>VI>TE>incidental. TE>VI>I don't know if I can agree with your definition of work as being TE>VI>anything that involves an expenditure of energy. I expend energy TE>VI>typing these posts on AH, but that's not work, is it? I also expend TE>VI>energy working out at the gym, but I wouldn't call that work, would you? TE>Sure, I would. In both cases, you are expending energy toward a goal. TE>Just because you aren't getting paid for it with money doesn't mean it TE>should be discounted as non-work. AH is definetly NOT work!!! It's play!!! I generally don't like to answer legal questions on AH if it would require me to crack open a law book. That would make it work. See, I think there is a difference between a hobby and work. Work, to me, by definition, you do for financial reward. People are frequently willing to expend a great amount of effort in hobbies just for the sheer fun and pleasure of doing so. However, the same people come Monday morning might moan and groan about expending much less effort at their jobs! TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>Facts! Who needs stinking facts to argue? :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Wow!! Is that what they teach you in law school?! :) TE>VI>TE>VI>It's lesson number one in law school. :) :) :) TE>VI>TE>Whoa! Law school sounds fun :) TE>VI>Far from it! :( TE>Good thing you don't have to go through it again, eh? Absolutely. It was living hell! TE>VI>TE>VI>I wouldn't know about that. I've lived a pretty tame existence. Ot TE>VI>TE>VI>than relatively short "wild and crazy" periods of my life, I have o TE>VI>TE>VI>had sex with long time, monogamous lovers. :) TE>VI>TE>That's a good thing. For some reason, I've rarely ever been able to ke TE>VI>TE>a relationship for too long, so I've ended up with a couple of TE>VI>TE>relatively long-term ones and tons of little short-term ones. Hopefull TE>VI>TE>that's gonna change now though! TE>VI>I sure hope so! :) TE>It's about time, eh? Absolutely! You deserve it sweetie! :) Date: Saturday, September 6, 1997 2:18am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 741009 To: Vixen Re: Maybe you need to find a woman to satisfy you (Reply to #740942, Reply to #740735, Reply to #740711, R*) (1 reply) VI>how can you be a lesbian trapped in arelationship witha male. Maybe you VI>needto find a woman to satisfy you. I am not trapped in a relationship with a male. I AM in a relationship with a male. What am I suppose throw out a good person because he was born with the wrong set of plumbing? Bob came along at a time when I was in a lot of pain because I was in a horrible, abusive relationship with a woman. Probably on an unconcious level I choose a male because the pain that my ex-lover was causing me was so severe that at that point a woman could not heal my pain. Date: Saturday, September 6, 1997 10:00am Forum: Xrated From: Nightbird Msg#: 741012 To: Tempest Re: getting to know you (Reply to #740925, Reply to #740833, Reply to #740749, R*) TE>NI>TE>NI>I understand that, I used to go out with various men just to have a TE>NI>TE>NI>to be with and well only one may have worked out but I screwed that TE>NI>TE>NI>up but I wouldn't have met Steve if I hadn't screwed up my realtion TE>NI>TE>NI>with Richie & started going out with "AP"(now known as Asshole Pete TE>NI>TE>NI>screwed up my life, my heart & my head!!!!!!! TE>NI>TE>No matter how horrible things are, they seem to eventually work out fo TE>NI>TE>the better, and it's something that you figure out much later on, in TE>NI>TE>retrospect. You've been with Steve for over 10 years, so whatever TE>NI>TE>happened with this guy "AP" was a long time ago, right? I hope that yo TE>NI>TE>have been able to mend whatever damage this guy has done to your life! TE>NI>TE>It's really tough, but coming through and being successful in the end TE>NI>TE>the best revenge (cliche, but true). TE>NI>You might say that life worked out better for me than him, after "ap" TE>NI>dumped me at his grandmother's funeral, he started sleeping and dating TE>NI>another women who he got pregnalt & she forced him to marry her. He TE>NI>came looking for me years later but I was already engaged to Steve so he TE>NI>could KISS MY ASS!!!!! TE>Heheheheh! You see that? What comes around goes around I guess, and TE>looks like it came around for him quicker than expected. YEP!!!!! HA-HA!!!!! * OLX 2.1 TD * #include Date: Saturday, September 6, 1997 10:00am Forum: Xrated From: Nightbird Msg#: 741013 To: Vixen Re: getting to know you (Reply to #740943, Reply to #740745, Reply to #740712, R*) (2 replies) VI>Thank you. The work is worth it and I hope my marriage will be as long VI>and longer then yours. It is hard work but when you have the right guy VI>then it's worth it Hey, best of luck to you. Steve & I just celebrated our 7 year wedding aniversary so, hey.....it's good * OLX 2.1 TD * (A)bort (R)etry (I)nfluence with large hammer Date: Saturday, September 6, 1997 3:33pm Forum: Xrated From: Vixen Msg#: 741018 To: Nightbird Re: getting to know you (Reply to #741013, Reply to #740943, Reply to #740745, R*) thanks for the wish of luck and hope you always find happiness with steve. vixen Date: Saturday, September 6, 1997 3:36pm Forum: Xrated From: Vixen Msg#: 741019 To: Vida Re: Maybe you need to find a woman to satisfy you (Reply to #741009, Reply to #740942, Reply to #740735, R*) (1 reply) I hope it all works out then your right not tothrow awaya good person but ask yourself why you are with him. I got out of a relationshi with a guy who abused me and found someone safe but then I had to see if I oved him thank god I do and now we are happy but it is hard. Date: Sunday, September 7, 1997 2:00am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 741024 To: Vixen Re: Maybe you need to find a woman to satisfy you (Reply to #741019, Reply to #741009, Reply to #740942, R*) (1 reply) VI>I hope it all works out then your right not tothrow awaya good person VI>but ask yourself why you are with him. I got out of a relationshi with a VI>guy who abused me and found someone safe but then I had to see if I oved VI>him thank god I do and now we are happy but it is hard. It's a question I ask myself all the time. But I honestly love Bob. I still desire a woman's body. And sometimes I get sexually frustrated by NOT having sex with a female. But there is no one for me to have sex with a female and still be with Bob. So for now, I just have to subliminate those desires. Date: Monday, September 8, 1997 2:58pm Forum: Xrated From: Cliff Msg#: 741050 To: Vixen Re: Waiting to try you (Reply to #740713, Reply to #740671, Reply to #740670, R*) (1 reply) Whats up Vixen? I am soory that I wasn't able to get back to you. I had to go to Main for a boxing match. Well, I won via 4th round Tko. But I broke my ribs, so I guess your gonna have to rub them soft.. At least I am not totally incapacitated. So what have you been doing??? If its possible, maybe you can come over to me on Thursday around 3:00p.m. Well let me know if you would like to come. I know some where we can go to play our games. If your interested still, write me back........... Date: Tuesday, September 9, 1997 9:07pm Forum: Xrated From: Vixen Msg#: 741073 To: Cliff Re: Waiting to try you (Reply to #741050, Reply to #740713, Reply to #740671, R*) (1 reply) Cliff thursday isn't good how about monday after this weekend because I'm not going to be in town. I'm still interested so if you can get back to me or if you really want to meet badly I can get out of class at 6;45 on thursday and we can meet for a little. I promise to be careful with your ribs. Congrats on the win you must be big and strong. Hope all is well love vixen. :) Date: Tuesday, September 9, 1997 9:09pm Forum: Xrated From: Vixen Msg#: 741074 To: Vida Re: Maybe you need to find a woman to satisfy you (Reply to #741024, Reply to #741019, Reply to #741009, R*) (1 reply) Hi vidaif you love bob then your right there isn't anything to do. I hope it works out. all my bests wishes vixen Date: Wednesday, September 10, 1997 12:02am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 741086 To: Vixen Re: Maybe you need to find a woman to satisfy you (Reply to #741074, Reply to #741024, Reply to #741019, R*) (1 reply) VI>Hi vidaif you love bob then your right there isn't anything to do. I VI>hope it works out. all my bests wishes vixen So far it is working out! :) Date: Wednesday, September 10, 1997 5:37pm Forum: Xrated From: Vixen Msg#: 741101 To: Vida Re: Maybe you need to find a woman to satisfy you (Reply to #741086, Reply to #741074, Reply to #741024, R*) (1 reply) I'm happy for you. Maybe it was meant to be. vixen:) Date: Wednesday, September 10, 1997 5:43pm Forum: Xrated From: Vixen Msg#: 741102 To: Nightbird Re: getting to know you (Reply to #741013, Reply to #740943, Reply to #740745, R*) (1 reply) how are you and steve i haven't heard from you in awhle hope all is well vixen:) Date: Wednesday, September 10, 1997 7:46pm Forum: Xrated From: Cliff Msg#: 741117 To: Vixen Re: Waiting to try you (Reply to #741073, Reply to #741050, Reply to #740713, R*) (1 reply) Vixen, Monday seems cool. I don't get out of school until around 6:30 myself. If you want to come over to brooklyn let me know. I live alone, so you can be careful with me as much as you want to. Well get back to me so I can save ALL my enery for you. I guess I am pretty big and strong, I never lost ant of my matches, and I had some pretty tough ones. Your gonna have to find out for yourself!!!!!!!!!!! Date: Wednesday, September 10, 1997 8:35pm Forum: Xrated From: Nightbird Msg#: 741121 To: Vixen Re: getting to know you (Reply to #741102, Reply to #741013, Reply to #740943, R*) (1 reply) VI>how are you and steve i haven't heard from you in awhle hope all is well VI>vixen:) Everything is going great with me & Steve! Hope everythings ok with you * OLX 2.1 TD * 4 yers ago I cudnt spel vise prezidant; now I are won!" Date: Thursday, September 11, 1997 1:50am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 741126 To: Vida Re: 58y (Reply to #741008, Reply to #740922, Reply to #740800, R*) (1 reply) VVI>TE>VI>TE>"Work" is any action that involves an expenditure of energy. The fa VI>TE>VI>TE>that "work" by society's definition involves monetary compensation VI>TE>VI>TE>incidental. VI>TE>VI>I don't know if I can agree with your definition of work as being VI>TE>VI>anything that involves an expenditure of energy. I expend energy VI>TE>VI>typing these posts on AH, but that's not work, is it? I also expend VI>TE>VI>energy working out at the gym, but I wouldn't call that work, would yo VI>TE>Sure, I would. In both cases, you are expending energy toward a goal. VI>TE>Just because you aren't getting paid for it with money doesn't mean it VI>TE>should be discounted as non-work. VI>AH is definetly NOT work!!! It's play!!! I generally don't like to VI>answer legal questions on AH if it would require me to crack open a law VI>book. That would make it work. Play is work too, it's work that is enjoyed. The reason you don't like answering legal questions on AH is because it's work that you *don't like.* VI>See, I think there is a difference between a hobby and work. Work, to VI>me, by definition, you do for financial reward. People are frequently VI>willing to expend a great amount of effort in hobbies just for the VI>sheer fun and pleasure of doing so. However, the same people come VI>Monday morning might moan and groan about expending much less effort at VI>their jobs! You just contradicted yourself! Above, you stated that you don't wanna answer legal questions on AH because it's *work.* In the second paragraph you define work as being something for which you get rewarded financially. But you don't get rewarded financially for answering legal questions on AH, so by your definition, it's NOT work! It sounds more like you define "work" as being "doing something you don't like." Which is not a proper definition! VI>TE>VI>TE>Whoa! Law school sounds fun :) VI>TE>VI>Far from it! :( VI>TE>Good thing you don't have to go through it again, eh? VI>Absolutely. It was living hell! The way the whole concept of schooling is, it tends to be hellish in general... VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>I wouldn't know about that. I've lived a pretty tame existence. VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>than relatively short "wild and crazy" periods of my life, I hav VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>had sex with long time, monogamous lovers. :) VI>TE>VI>TE>That's a good thing. For some reason, I've rarely ever been able to VI>TE>VI>TE>a relationship for too long, so I've ended up with a couple of VI>TE>VI>TE>relatively long-term ones and tons of little short-term ones. Hopef VI>TE>VI>TE>that's gonna change now though! VI>TE>VI>I sure hope so! :) VI>TE>It's about time, eh? VI>Absolutely! You deserve it sweetie! :) Thank you!!! I appreciate that :) Date: Friday, September 12, 1997 7:27am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 741223 To: Vixen Re: Maybe you need to find a woman to satisfy you (Reply to #741101, Reply to #741086, Reply to #741074, R*) VI>I'm happy for you. Maybe it was meant to be. vixen:) Thank you. Perhaps you are right. :) Date: Friday, September 12, 1997 7:32am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 741224 To: Tempest Re: 58y (Reply to #741126, Reply to #741008, Reply to #740922, R*) (1 reply) TE>VVI>TE>VI>TE>"Work" is any action that involves an expenditure of energy. Th TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>that "work" by society's definition involves monetary compensati TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>incidental. TE>VI>TE>VI>I don't know if I can agree with your definition of work as being TE>VI>TE>VI>anything that involves an expenditure of energy. I expend energy TE>VI>TE>VI>typing these posts on AH, but that's not work, is it? I also expen TE>VI>TE>VI>energy working out at the gym, but I wouldn't call that work, would TE>VI>TE>Sure, I would. In both cases, you are expending energy toward a goal. TE>VI>TE>Just because you aren't getting paid for it with money doesn't mean it TE>VI>TE>should be discounted as non-work. TE>VI>AH is definetly NOT work!!! It's play!!! I generally don't like to TE>VI>answer legal questions on AH if it would require me to crack open a law TE>VI>book. That would make it work. TE>Play is work too, it's work that is enjoyed. The reason you don't like TE>answering legal questions on AH is because it's work that you *don't TE>like.* The main difference between work and play as I see it is that work is compulsory. You have to do a job function, or you will lose your job, whether you like it or not. With play, you do things you LIKE to do and you REFUSE to do things you don't like to do. TE>VI>See, I think there is a difference between a hobby and work. Work, to TE>VI>me, by definition, you do for financial reward. People are frequently TE>VI>willing to expend a great amount of effort in hobbies just for the TE>VI>sheer fun and pleasure of doing so. However, the same people come TE>VI>Monday morning might moan and groan about expending much less effort at TE>VI>their jobs! TE>You just contradicted yourself! Above, you stated that you don't wanna TE>answer legal questions on AH because it's *work.* In the second TE>paragraph you define work as being something for which you get rewarded TE>financially. But you don't get rewarded financially for answering legal TE>questions on AH, so by your definition, it's NOT work! It sounds more TE>like you define "work" as being "doing something you don't like." Which TE>is not a proper definition! I don't see that I am contradicting myself. AH is not work because I receive no financial reward for what I write on AH. I consider AH to be play. I don't want to do legal research for any responses to AH because for me to do so would transform AH into a worklike AND unpleasant activity. TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>Whoa! Law school sounds fun :) TE>VI>TE>VI>Far from it! :( TE>VI>TE>Good thing you don't have to go through it again, eh? TE>VI>Absolutely. It was living hell! TE>The way the whole concept of schooling is, it tends to be hellish in TE>general... TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>I wouldn't know about that. I've lived a pretty tame existenc TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>than relatively short "wild and crazy" periods of my life, I TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>VI>had sex with long time, monogamous lovers. :) TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>That's a good thing. For some reason, I've rarely ever been able TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>a relationship for too long, so I've ended up with a couple of TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>relatively long-term ones and tons of little short-term ones. Ho TE>VI>TE>VI>TE>that's gonna change now though! TE>VI>TE>VI>I sure hope so! :) TE>VI>TE>It's about time, eh? TE>VI>Absolutely! You deserve it sweetie! :) TE>Thank you!!! I appreciate that :) Date: Tuesday, September 16, 1997 10:01pm Forum: Xrated From: Vixen Msg#: 741353 To: Nightbird Re: getting to know you (Reply to #741121, Reply to #741102, Reply to #741013, R*) All's well that end's well. We're fine. :) s Date: Tuesday, September 16, 1997 10:12pm Forum: Xrated From: Vixen Msg#: 741354 To: Cliff Re: Waiting to try you (Reply to #741117, Reply to #741073, Reply to #741050, R*) (2 replies) Sorry I didn't get back to you. tell me how to make it up. I'm free hopefully whenever you want. Except sat or sunday. Monday I get out at 4, tuesday is bad 8, wenesday 1, thursday is bad 8, friday I'm off but this friday I have to go to the doctor for my leg. Tell me how to mak it up when where and how to get there. I'll try to get back to you. By the way this is my email address cmazzell@shiva.hunter.CUNY.edu. Write me a response if you want I'm checking my mail on thursday. love vixen 00 .. \___/ Date: Tuesday, September 16, 1997 10:22pm Forum: Xrated From: Vixen Msg#: 741355 To: Vixen Re: Waiting to try you (Reply to #741354, Reply to #741117, Reply to #741073, R*) Cliff I'm so sorry. I hope you get back to me if we can't get togeter in brooklyn maybe you can come to manhatten and well do something. I don't know your phone or i'd apologize that way . vixen Date: Wednesday, September 17, 1997 11:53pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 741420 To: Vida Re: 58y (Reply to #741224, Reply to #741126, Reply to #741008, R*) (1 reply) VVI>TE>VI>AH is definetly NOT work!!! It's play!!! I generally don't like to VI>TE>VI>answer legal questions on AH if it would require me to crack open a la VI>TE>VI>book. That would make it work. VI>TE>Play is work too, it's work that is enjoyed. The reason you don't like VI>TE>answering legal questions on AH is because it's work that you *don't VI>TE>like.* VI>The main difference between work and play as I see it is that work is VI>compulsory. You have to do a job function, or you will lose your job, VI>whether you like it or not. With play, you do things you LIKE to do VI>and you REFUSE to do things you don't like to do. It's not that black-and-white. For example: let's say that you really enjoy playing the piano. But the part you hate is trying to learn a new piece. But you drill it for hours, even though you hate doing that, and it gets you frustrated, but nevertheless you do it because you just love to play the piano. So is that work or play? VI>TE>You just contradicted yourself! Above, you stated that you don't wanna VI>TE>answer legal questions on AH because it's *work.* In the second VI>TE>paragraph you define work as being something for which you get rewarded VI>TE>financially. But you don't get rewarded financially for answering legal VI>TE>questions on AH, so by your definition, it's NOT work! It sounds more VI>TE>like you define "work" as being "doing something you don't like." Which VI>TE>is not a proper definition! VI>I don't see that I am contradicting myself. VI>AH is not work because I receive no financial reward for what I write VI>on AH. You are contradicting yourself again, because you keep changing your definition of work. Above, you stated that work is work because it is compulsory. Down here, you state that work is work because you get a financial reward. Those are two different definitions. Compulsion and financial reward are independent of each other. They can occur at the same time, or one without the other. Using examples, this means that: 1) Slavery (an example of compulsion without financial reward) is work by your definition #1 BUT NOT by your definition #2. and 2) Theft (an example of financial reward without compulsion) is work by your definition #2 BUT NOT by your definition #1. Where is the logic in this? And don't tell me that you don't need logic to argue :) VI>I consider AH to be play. I don't want to do legal research for any VI>responses to AH because for me to do so would transform AH into a VI>worklike AND unpleasant activity. And there's nothing wrong with that! Although it's too bad because it sounds like you don't enjoy your work, and that's always a sad thing to hear. I personally enjoy looking up scientific or medical type stuff in reference to things I type here, because I'm also learning in the process. Date: Friday, September 19, 1997 6:50am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 741494 To: Tempest Re: 58y (Reply to #741420, Reply to #741224, Reply to #741126, R*) TE>VVI>TE>VI>AH is definetly NOT work!!! It's play!!! I generally don't like t TE>VI>TE>VI>answer legal questions on AH if it would require me to crack open a TE>VI>TE>VI>book. That would make it work. TE>VI>TE>Play is work too, it's work that is enjoyed. The reason you don't like TE>VI>TE>answering legal questions on AH is because it's work that you *don't TE>VI>TE>like.* TE>VI>The main difference between work and play as I see it is that work is TE>VI>compulsory. You have to do a job function, or you will lose your job, TE>VI>whether you like it or not. With play, you do things you LIKE to do TE>VI>and you REFUSE to do things you don't like to do. TE>It's not that black-and-white. For example: let's say that you really TE>enjoy playing the piano. But the part you hate is trying to learn a new TE>piece. But you drill it for hours, even though you hate doing that, and TE>it gets you frustrated, but nevertheless you do it because you just love to TE>play the piano. So is that work or play? It depends upon whether you are a professional musican or an ameuter. If you are an ameuter, it's play. One of the main points that I was making is that people are willing to put in a large amount of effort, and do unpleasant tasks, for the sake of play. TE>VI>TE>You just contradicted yourself! Above, you stated that you don't wanna TE>VI>TE>answer legal questions on AH because it's *work.* In the second TE>VI>TE>paragraph you define work as being something for which you get rewarde TE>VI>TE>financially. But you don't get rewarded financially for answering lega TE>VI>TE>questions on AH, so by your definition, it's NOT work! It sounds more TE>VI>TE>like you define "work" as being "doing something you don't like." Whic TE>VI>TE>is not a proper definition! TE>VI>I don't see that I am contradicting myself. TE>VI>AH is not work because I receive no financial reward for what I write TE>VI>on AH. TE>You are contradicting yourself again, because you keep changing your TE>definition of work. Above, you stated that work is work because it is TE>compulsory. Down here, you state that work is work because you get a TE>financial reward. Those are two different definitions. Compulsion and TE>financial reward are independent of each other. They can occur at the TE>same time, or one without the other. Work is work because it is done for financial compensation. It also has a compulsory element--you have to perform certain tasks when you are at work, whether you want to or not. TE>Using examples, this means that: TE>1) Slavery (an example of compulsion without financial reward) is work TE>by your definition #1 BUT NOT by your definition #2. It is not fair to bring up slavery in this discussion. It is no longer legal. So I have every right not to include or consider slavery in my definition of work. TE>and TE>2) Theft (an example of financial reward without compulsion) is work TE>by your definition #2 BUT NOT by your definition #1. If you are a professional theif, then stealing is work! :) TE>Where is the logic in this? I think I have been clear and consistent in my defintion of work. I am sorry if you don't think so. TE>And don't tell me that you don't need logic to argue :) Of course you need logic! :) TE>VI>I consider AH to be play. I don't want to do legal research for any TE>VI>responses to AH because for me to do so would transform AH into a TE>VI>worklike AND unpleasant activity. TE>And there's nothing wrong with that! Although it's too bad because it TE>sounds like you don't enjoy your work, and that's always a sad thing to TE>hear. I personally enjoy looking up scientific or medical type stuff in TE>reference to things I type here, because I'm also learning in the TE>process. There's parts of my work I like, and parts I don't like. Legal research is definitely something I hate! Date: Monday, September 1, 1997 3:09pm Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 741532 To: ** ALL ** Re: The Orgasmic Charities Fund (Copy by Calvin, Reply to #738728, Reply to #738560, Rep*) (1 reply) -------------< COMMENTS BY Calvin >-------------- TO: Brandie ----------< END OF COMMENTS BY Calvin >---------- BR>TE>BR>Orgasms are for sharing :) Aint they? BR>TE>Sure are! Wanna piece of mine? I got plenty to go around! BR>Nah I have too much to spare AS IS :) thanks anyway. Go store some of BR>that shit will ya there are wimmin who cannot achieve such pleasures in BR>life as we.. "The Orgasmic Charities Fund..." :) Date: Sunday, September 21, 1997 8:24pm Forum: Xrated From: Cliff Msg#: 741585 To: Vixen Re: Waiting to try you (Reply to #741354, Reply to #741117, Reply to #741073, R*) (1 reply) Hey what's up? Don't worry, when we get together I will show you how to make it up! But I figure that I could have wrote you a little more also, so you are going to have to show me how to make it up also. Deal? It's weird, my good day is Thurs.,my bad is Wed., I am going to leave you e-mail and I'll give you my nuber through there. So give me a call and we will set everything up. What's up with your leg??? Your legs will feel great once I make them shake a bit. So don't worry. Don't forget to call me. Date: Sunday, September 21, 1997 8:28pm Forum: Xrated From: Cliff Msg#: 741586 To: Tempest Re: The Orgasmic Charities Fund (Reply to #741532, Copy by Calvin, Reply to #738728, Rep*) I think I can help you out there. I seem to have the same problem. What do we do about it? Date: Friday, September 26, 1997 8:37pm Forum: Xrated From: Vixen Msg#: 741716 To: Cliff Re: Waiting to try you (Reply to #741585, Reply to #741354, Reply to #741117, R*) (1 reply) Darling you left me email but no number leave me your number on my email and I'll call to set up plans I'll check my email on monday and tues day I have this coming thursday off so if it's good for you we can get together. love vixen P's I hope to do alot of shaking with you Date: Thursday, October 2, 1997 10:32am Forum: Xrated From: Vixen Msg#: 741790 To: Vixen Re: Waiting to try you (Reply to #741716, Reply to #741585, Reply to #741354, R*) cliff i'm dissappointed how are we supposed to get together if I haven't a clue how o get in touch. I was all ready too. I even had my pink eddy waiting. well if you still interested I am not in scholl agaain till monday so write me over this or sent a reply to my email and i'll access it monday.love vixen Date: Thursday, October 2, 1997 10:36am Forum: Xrated From: Vixen Msg#: 741791 To: Cliff Re: hello cliff sent me your number through my email on this and I'll call you by the way my real name isn't vixen it's carmela. love vixen Date: Thursday, October 2, 1997 10:32am Forum: Xrated From: Vixen Msg#: 741792 To: ** ALL ** Re: Waiting to try you (Copy by Calvin, Reply to #741716, Reply to #741585, Rep*) (1 reply) -------------< COMMENTS BY Calvin >-------------- TO: Cliff ----------< END OF COMMENTS BY Calvin >---------- cliff i'm dissappointed how are we supposed to get together if I haven't a clue how o get in touch. I was all ready too. I even had my pink eddy waiting. well if you still interested I am not in scholl agaain till monday so write me over this or sent a reply to my email and i'll access it monday.love vixen Date: Sunday, November 16, 1997 11:02pm Forum: Xrated From: Vibrantm Msg#: 742416 To: Vixen Re: try anythying with me (Reply to #740488) KI>HI i JUST READ YOUR INFO AND I THOUGHT MAYBE YOU WOULD BE THE RIGHT GUY VI>TO PLAY MY GAME IF INTERESTED WRITE ME VI>VIXEN What is your "game?" Date: Friday, November 21, 1997 7:42pm Forum: Xrated From: Mother Nature Msg#: 742571 To: Vixen Re: Waiting to try you (Reply to #741792, Copy by Calvin, Reply to #741716, Rep*) wHAT'S A PINK EDDY?WHATJDWJSDL;S >-------------- SDFK;SDFMLQ VI>TO: Cliff VI>----------< END OF COMMENTS BY Calvin >---------- VI>cliff i'm dissappointed how are we supposed to get together if I haven't VI>a clue how o get in touch. I was all ready too. I even had my pink eddy VI>waiting. well if you still interested I am not in scholl agaain till VI>monday so write me over this or sent a reply to my email and i'll access VI>it monday.love vixen What's a pink eddy? :) I'm only kidding. I'm a girl and I know you just missed the "t". :) Date: Thursday, January 29, 1998 4:09am Forum: Xrated From: Tempest Msg#: 744398 To: ** ALL ** Re: The Orgasmic Charities Fund (Copy by Calvin, Reply to #741866, Reply to #740754, Rep*) (1 reply) -------------< COMMENTS BY Calvin >-------------- TO: DTI ----------< END OF COMMENTS BY Calvin >---------- DT>TE>R>TE>BR>Orgasms are for sharing :) Aint they? DT>TE>BR>TE>Sure are! Wanna piece of mine? I got plenty to go around! DT>TE>BR>Nah I have too much to spare AS IS :) thanks anyway. Go store some of DT>TE>BR>that shit will ya there are wimmin who cannot achieve such pleasures i DT>TE>BR>life as we.. DT>TE>"The Orgasmic Charities Fund..." :) DT> ...I can imagine the public service announcements running at 3ayem, DT>wimmin with shiny hair and lazy cumdrunk smiles forgetting their lines DT>while reading the script for the ad... >9# "Helloooo, I'm Busty Bambi, your local reprehen.. uh representative from The Orgasmic Charities Fund..... this is a pubic uh public service announcement for your bennnefit, to all you wimmin out there who can't get off, we have a big ummm stock supply of orgasms that you can order with your Visa or Masterthing, just $4.99 per second of orgasm, order now and you'll also receive a free Female Ejacu, uh, Female spew one-month-supply bottle free with your orgasms... call 1-800-ORG-ASM1 RIGHT NOW!!!" Date: Wednesday, February 18, 1998 12:30pm Forum: Xrated From: Synne Msg#: 744730 To: Sam Beckett Re: BBS's and meeting people (Reply to #738131, Reply to #737674, Reply to #147077, R*) (1 reply) SB>I agree wholeheartedly! SB> As a person who is used to using things like the IRC, I have to SB>confess that I am also dubious of people who start up these SB>net.relationships. I have to confess that even as a male, it seems like SB>most of the guys out there just want the cybersex and not the actual SB>relationship that may come if they get to know somone. It's hard to find SB>people who want to chat and get to know you..I am glad I came here, SB>though. It seems liek most people here are all right. :) I know this response is real late but... As someone who's met lots of people via the cyberbox o'love... I just wanted to say that there are people looking for many different things when they sit behind their computers... i've met people online who wanted just to fuck me and put my big mouth to the test and see if i was ready to act out all the shit i had been talking about... some who decided after talking to me once that they wanted to marry me... and some wo actually wanted to and took the time to get to know me and develop true relationships... My computer brought me face to face with a lot of people who really helped to shape my life... totally wacked, but the more i think about it, the more interesting it becomes to me... and also... Hi. :-) Date: Sunday, April 5, 1998 1:02pm Forum: Xrated From: Barney Smith Msg#: 745710 To: ** ALL ** Re: where is everyone? (2 replies) what has happened to all the perverts on this board? We were looking up messages and nothing has been posted for months! Get it together people! Is everyone out there getting the real thing, or what? Cum out and play! Date: Monday, April 6, 1998 9:19pm Forum: Xrated From: Barney Smith Msg#: 745745 To: ** ALL ** Re: how does one get credits? (1 reply) hey everyone, how does a person get credits on this board. if we do something we are supposed to get credits for, it puts us in the negative credits. Help! tell me please, someone? anyone? thanks, Barney. Date: Tuesday, April 7, 1998 6:17am Forum: Xrated From: Vida Msg#: 745759 To: Barney Smith Re: how does one get credits? (Reply to #745745) BS>hey everyone, how does a person get credits on this board. if we do BS>something we are supposed to get credits for, it puts us in the negative BS>credits. Help! tell me please, someone? anyone? thanks, Barney. One word, son: POST. Scan the sigs, join in the conversation! :) Date: Tuesday, April 14, 1998 3:20am Forum: Xrated From: Renegade Msg#: 745852 To: Barney Smith Re: where is everyone? (Reply to #745710) Check "Fantasy Forum" Date: Wednesday, May 20, 1998 11:56pm Forum: Xrated From: Jd707 Msg#: 746456 To: ** ALL ** Re: wow File: !!!!!!69.JPG just reading all the forums in pics and i have a pic that will rise the temp Date: Friday, June 26, 1998 3:51am Forum: Xrated From: Dti Msg#: 746959 To: Barney Smith Re: where is everyone? (Reply to #745710) (1 reply) BS>what has happened to all the perverts on this board? We were looking up BS>messages and nothing has been posted for months! Get it together people! BS>Is everyone out there getting the real thing, or what? Cum out and play! Write about jamming yr choad into Pebbles, Barney. Or getting a group blowjob from the occupants of yr aquarium, whatever works better or anything in between. But check it out: Pleading for content with a no content post will grow no content in response, garontee --- * SLMR 2.0 * To reply press Ctrl/Alt/Del and wait for a bit Date: Friday, July 24, 1998 6:36am Forum: Xrated From: Jeff Frank Msg#: 747250 To: Synne Re: BBS's and meeting people (Reply to #744730, Reply to #738131, Reply to #737674, R*) (1 reply) SY>SB>I agree wholeheartedly! SY>SB> As a person who is used to using things like the IRC, I have to SY>SB>confess that I am also dubious of people who start up these SY>SB>net.relationships. I have to confess that even as a male, it seems like SY>SB>most of the guys out there just want the cybersex and not the actual SY>SB>relationship that may come if they get to know somone. It's hard to find SY>SB>people who want to chat and get to know you..I am glad I came here, SY>SB>though. It seems liek most people here are all right. :) SY>I know this response is real late but... As someone who's met lots of SY>people via the cyberbox o'love... I just wanted to say that there are SY>people looking for many different things when they sit behind their SY>computers... i've met people online who wanted just to fuck me and put SY>my big mouth to the test and see if i was ready to act out all the shit SY>i had been talking about... some who decided after talking to me once SY>that they wanted to marry me... and some wo actually wanted to and took SY>the time to get to know me and develop true relationships... SY>My computer brought me face to face with a lot of people who really SY>helped to shape my life... totally wacked, but the more i think about SY>it, the more interesting it becomes to me... SY>and also... Hi. :-) You are the very definition of the term "cyber-fem". Ever wonder what would have happened to your life if Intel never made that 4004? I predict that you'll answer this message sometime in the year 2003, when you'll be 30. Wow, eh? Date: Saturday, September 26, 1998 9:17pm Forum: Xrated From: Vixen Msg#: 747742 To: Jeff Frank Re: BBS's and meeting people (Reply to #747250, Reply to #744730, Reply to #738131, R*) I must agree would like to talk soon Date: Saturday, September 26, 1998 9:19pm Forum: Xrated From: Vixen Msg#: 747743 To: Dti Re: where is everyone? (Reply to #746959, Reply to #745710) (1 reply) here's one pervert who hasn't been on in a whil care to talk?/s Date: Sunday, September 27, 1998 8:57pm Forum: Xrated From: Vixen Msg#: 747749 To: Vixen Re: where is everyone? (Reply to #747743, Reply to #746959, Reply to #745710) Vhi when will you be on? I>here's one pervert who hasn't been on in a whil care to talk?/s End of list! Select a Sysop option (R,W,F,T,S,M,E,A,O,X to exit or ? for menu):